Anno Hideaki Says Anime Is Dying, Will End in 5 to 20 Years

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People say this shit all the time. I wouldn't say that it's "dying".

May 24, 2015 7:55 PM

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SaberMacro said:
A good anime production is the one who appeals to the people, rides the bandwagon, while becoming its own thing.

Don't hate the system, hate the anime.

No.

Hoppy said:
Stylistic anime are either not visually appealing enough or not interesting enough for most Otaku and importers to buy, we aren't arthouse folks. Also Ping Pong is too ugly to buy (or even watch for the matter).

You are devaluing creativity by saying such things. No.

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don't h8 on blue titty strings pls :/

In the grand scheme of things, are they really that different from bluescarves?

Blue scarves have been around since the Roman era and have contributed lots to mankind; from warming the bosom to being a suitable option in winter apparel to accommodating those who seek a fresh breath in fashion. Blue titty string isn't even physically possible to wear without hurting your breasts and offers no functionality or aesthetic appeal unless you're a 2D.

Get out.

May 24, 2015 8:02 PM

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Well, Japan's game and music are already dead,anime just hasn't caught up yet

It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.

May 24, 2015 8:05 PM

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Anime is a business, they have to make money and moe works, SoL, and idols are what sells and it has a better chance of selling because these works tend to be vibrant and visually appealing which makes for good BD/DVD covers, merchandise, and promotional material which makes you want to buy as much as you can afford. An abstract, arthouse anime has less leeway for merchandise and promo material, it can get sales from a good BD/DVD cover but the rest of the exposure is word of mouth, reviews, and such.

May 24, 2015 8:09 PM

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over all he is more rigt than wrong the only reason that as whole the industy makes more money is because they now produced more but on the flip side each seasonal anime makes less per head than stuff did bakc in the eonmonic golden age in the 70's and 80's

and the lack of true gerre defining anime like the 70's - 95 alot of stuff firm that era is still loved and very luaded now by new fans[ non zelots] and older fans alike like rose of verlisles is still to this day called the best eer shojo demographic manga ever

i ask you this outisde of pre cure name me an anime that was made in the lst 10 years that come close to gundam is yearly profit i bet you cannot

akc in the 80s smaller studio could afooed to take risk gainax did with royal space police wings of honisise still ot this day base on profit vs loss th bigges bomb in anime movie history [ yet it is in fact one of the best sci fi movies ever made ]

adjusted for inflation it cost over 45 mlion ot make and made less that 5 thats in both home media world wide and Japanese theaters to this dya thas in over 25 years

EVA saved gainax as much as it changed anime

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

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Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

May 24, 2015 8:10 PM

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Hoppy said:
Anime is a business

No, anime is an artistic medium.

Hoppy said:
they have to make money and moe works, SoL, and idols are what sells and it has a better chance of selling because these works tend to be vibrant and visually appealing which makes for good BD/DVD covers, merchandise, and promotional material which makes you want to buy as much as you can afford. An abstract, arthouse anime has less leeway for merchandise and promo material, it can get sales from a good BD/DVD cover but the rest of the exposure is word of mouth, reviews, and such.

And this is why anime is dying. It has given in to the ways of capitalism and mindless audience pandering.

May 24, 2015 8:11 PM

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Hoppy said:
Anime is a business, they have to make money and moe works, SoL, and idols are what sells and it has a better chance of selling because these works tend to be vibrant and visually appealing which makes for good BD/DVD covers, merchandise, and promotional material which makes you want to buy as much as you can afford. An abstract, arthouse anime has less leeway for merchandise and promo material, it can get sales from a good BD/DVD cover but the rest of the exposure is word of mouth, reviews, and such.

do thye make gundam money or precure money or even in the same galxay of them

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

May 24, 2015 8:13 PM

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over all he is more rigt than wrong the only reason that as whole the industy makes more money is because they now produced more but on the flip side each seasonal anime makes less per head than stuff did bakc in the eonmonic golden age in the 70's and 80's

and the lack of true gerre defining anime like the 70's - 95 alot of stuff firm that era is still loved and very luaded now by new fans[ non zelots] and older fans alike like rose of verlisles is still to this day called the best eer shojo demographic manga ever

i ask you this outisde of pre cure name me an anime that was made in the lst 10 years that come close to gundam is yearly profit i bet you cannot

akc in the 80s smaller studio could afooed to take risk gainax did with royal space police wings of honisise still ot this day base on profit vs loss th bigges bomb in anime movie history [ yet it is in fact one of the best sci fi movies ever made ]

adjusted for inflation it cost over 45 mlion ot make and made less that 5 thats in both home media world wide and Japanese theaters to this dya thas in over 25 years

EVA saved gainax as much as it changed anime

Aikatsu and Pripara are making shitloads of money as well which is causing severe issues for Sanrio and it's maybe why we got Show by Rock (which is finally projecting to sell well).

May 24, 2015 8:15 PM

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BlueScarf said:

Hoppy said:
Anime is a business

No, anime is an artistic medium.

Hoppy said:
they have to make money and moe works, SoL, and idols are what sells and it has a better chance of selling because these works tend to be vibrant and visually appealing which makes for good BD/DVD covers, merchandise, and promotional material which makes you want to buy as much as you can afford. An abstract, arthouse anime has less leeway for merchandise and promo material, it can get sales from a good BD/DVD cover but the rest of the exposure is word of mouth, reviews, and such.

And this is why anime is dying. It has given in to the ways of capitalism and mindless audience pandering.

Yes but it's an industry as well.

The arthouse people aren't buying much though, if they were then this would be an issue, but they just aren't trying, a lot of those works are selling in the hundreds if even that.

May 24, 2015 8:16 PM

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Well, Japan's game and music are already dead,anime just hasn't caught up yet

explain pls.

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May 24, 2015 8:19 PM

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BlueScarf said:
aesthetic appeal unless you're a 2D.

That's all it needs to do isn't it?

May 24, 2015 8:19 PM

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Ventose said:
Well, Japan's game and music are already dead,anime just hasn't caught up yet

explain pls.

Mobile is killing gaming in Japan and their music isn't dead but declining due to Otaku starting to prefer K-pop and lack of globalization.

May 24, 2015 8:20 PM

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Hoppy said:

FGAU1912 said:
over all he is more rigt than wrong the only reason that as whole the industy makes more money is because they now produced more but on the flip side each seasonal anime makes less per head than stuff did bakc in the eonmonic golden age in the 70's and 80's

and the lack of true gerre defining anime like the 70's - 95 alot of stuff firm that era is still loved and very luaded now by new fans[ non zelots] and older fans alike like rose of verlisles is still to this day called the best eer shojo demographic manga ever

i ask you this outisde of pre cure name me an anime that was made in the lst 10 years that come close to gundam is yearly profit i bet you cannot

akc in the 80s smaller studio could afooed to take risk gainax did with royal space police wings of honisise still ot this day base on profit vs loss th bigges bomb in anime movie history [ yet it is in fact one of the best sci fi movies ever made ]

adjusted for inflation it cost over 45 mlion ot make and made less that 5 thats in both home media world wide and Japanese theaters to this dya thas in over 25 years

EVA saved gainax as much as it changed anime

Aikatsu and Pripara are making shitloads of money as well which is causing severe issues for Sanrio and it's maybe why we got Show by Rock (which is finally projecting to sell well).

sales of home media os not the only place TV ANIME make there money

beind of big three toku franchies of itch no anime will ever over take gundam and precure over all franchise history are 4th and 5th i doudt in 30 years ormore time no anime will be close to them still 15 years untill gundam is 50 and it still makes huge money for bandai

i doubt that any anime even precure in time will stay that much of a money maker its not even 20 years ood and its in sligt decline

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

May 24, 2015 8:26 PM

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Hoppy said:

Unyilkdr said:

explain pls.

Mobile is killing gaming in Japan and their music isn't dead but declining due to Otaku starting to prefer K-pop and lack of globalization.

bull shit just cause you dislike somthing does not means it kills an industy ahte moe and still admotr it makes money

and bz are still bt far the biigest selling artist in japan by a mile and i do not see that chanhing for around aother 20 yers at lest akb will be gone by then and biig rock acts like X will still be rememberd iold otaku live to much n the now ot care abut older idols

the 980s bein the best era for idols who could really sing like nakajima miyuki for example

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine"

When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one
For the Union makes us strong

May 24, 2015 8:30 PM

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Hoppy said:

Unyilkdr said:

explain pls.

Mobile is killing gaming in Japan and their music isn't dead but declining due to Otaku starting to prefer K-pop and lack of globalization.

well, in around 00's, japan bands in my country are really famous. i just know it but i know nothing because in that moment, i went to hostel school, but from what i know, they are slowly disappear around 2008. thats why i need explanation. why japan music also slowly disappear? even in gaming, japan company start slowly beaten by western gaming industry, even korea!

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May 24, 2015 8:31 PM

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Will we get to see Evangelion 4.0 before anime dies?

May 24, 2015 8:32 PM

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BlueScarf said:

Hoppy said:
Anime is a business

No, anime is an artistic medium.

Hoppy said:
they have to make money and moe works, SoL, and idols are what sells and it has a better chance of selling because these works tend to be vibrant and visually appealing which makes for good BD/DVD covers, merchandise, and promotional material which makes you want to buy as much as you can afford. An abstract, arthouse anime has less leeway for merchandise and promo material, it can get sales from a good BD/DVD cover but the rest of the exposure is word of mouth, reviews, and such.

And this is why anime is dying. It has given in to the ways of capitalism and mindless audience pandering.

Giving in to capitalism is hardly a choice and you can't criticize people for doing that. Every kind of art is a business since people actually have to get money to survive and make more art.

May 24, 2015 8:32 PM

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FGAU1912 said:

Hoppy said:

Mobile is killing gaming in Japan and their music isn't dead but declining due to Otaku starting to prefer K-pop and lack of globalization.

bull shit just cause you dislike somthing does not means it kills an industy ahte moe and still admotr it makes money

and bz are still bt far the biigest selling artist in japan by a mile and i do not see that chanhing for around aother 20 yers at lest akb will be gone by then and biig rock acts like X will still be rememberd iold otaku live to much n the now ot care abut older idols

the 980s bein the best era for idols who could really sing like nakajima miyuki for example

b'z not even heard in my country. and akb only booming around 2010-2013. now it dissapear again.

"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."

May 24, 2015 8:34 PM

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Well you are part of the problem anno.

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Also mobile gaming is bad for the industry

-It decreases game quality, it's easier to find 100 good indie titles than one good mobile game.

-Encourages bad monetization practices (many which are unethical or illegal)

-It often makes gaming a pay2enjoy and pay2win experience

-Dumbs down gaming to it's lowest level

-It's affecting console and handheld games where we are getting nickle and dimed to oblivion.

It makes money is no excuse for the sorry state of the mobile market.

May 24, 2015 9:00 PM

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added the fourth most popular anime onto this site

May 24, 2015 9:12 PM

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anime should be banned everywhere except japan

Hi

May 24, 2015 9:12 PM

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Not a damn was given about Anno's opinion.

May 24, 2015 9:14 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:
Maybe this is why so many literary theorists are marxists. =p

So, literature theory leads to Marxism, and Marxism leads to Communism. Communism leads to Totalitarianism, which leads to limited rights. You just blew my mind.

May 24, 2015 9:18 PM

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For a person who hates otaku so much this guy panders to them a shit ton

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

May 24, 2015 9:20 PM

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NotJizzyHitler said:
For a person who hates otaku so much this guy panders to them a shit ton

He's like Ubisoft, WB, and EA, he likes their money but not the fans.

Aeldrian said:
anime should be banned everywhere except japan

lol, that would make things worse

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Hoppy said:

NotJizzyHitler said:
For a person who hates otaku so much this guy panders to them a shit ton

He's like Ubisoft, WB, and EA, he likes their money but not the fans.

In other words, A part of the reason anime is "dying"

Thanks for preaching to water whilst you slurp down some whine anno

Immahnoob said:
Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

tokiyashiro said:

Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

May 24, 2015 9:24 PM

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Solo-Maro said:
At the end of the day, it's still one person's opinion. Who the hell cares?

New animes > old animes any facuking day :)

May 24, 2015 9:28 PM

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Gholy said:

So, literature theory leads to Marxism, and Marxism leads to Communism. Communism leads to Totalitarianism, which leads to limited rights. You just blew my mind.

...?

This is why the slippery slope just doesn't work.

May 24, 2015 9:29 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:
Anno is just saying this so he can never deliver on Eva 4.0. ;~;

Deko_myanimelist said:

Solo-Maro said:
At the end of the day, it's still one person's opinion. Who the hell cares?

New animes > old animes any facuking day :)

You can pretend 2.22 is the ending if you want it to be happy, or EoE if you want it to be sad.

May 24, 2015 9:30 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

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Zergneedsfood said:

Gholy said:
This is why the slippery slope just doesn't work.

Wait wut?

May 24, 2015 9:32 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:

Gholy said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

.

I know what a slippery slope is. I just don't know what your reply to me meant.

Sorry. I was explaining why my joke comment was bs, if that wasn't already clear.

May 24, 2015 9:33 PM

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Miyazaki was right, yet again.

CabronMay 24, 2015 9:41 PM

Please learn about cel animation and its technical process.
Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

May 24, 2015 9:34 PM

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Ecchi+Moe+ well written story. Could that work for everyone?

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keragamming said:
Ecchi+Moe+ well written story. Could that work for everyone?

moe and sci-fi was done by Madoka Magica and become one of the best sellers so ye it can work

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keragamming said:
Ecchi+Moe+ well written story. Could that work for everyone?

moe and sci-fi was done by Madoka Magica and become one of the best sellers so ye it can work

MM doesn't have ecchi though.

May 24, 2015 9:37 PM

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keragamming said:
Ecchi+Moe+ well written story. Could that work for everyone?

Remove the moe first. Then sure.

May 24, 2015 9:41 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:

NotJizzyHitler said:
Thanks for preaching to water whilst you slurp down some whine anno

Anno can't hear us over the sound of being rich. :3

Then what the hell is he whining about?

May 24, 2015 9:42 PM

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Not really, I mean they are still pumping out like 30 full shows every season so the industry isn't dead yet, and it will stay strong for years to come.

Well sure, but how many of those shows are actually good?

Please learn about cel animation and its technical process.
Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers.

May 24, 2015 9:42 PM

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Unyilkdr said:

Ventose said:
Well, Japan's game and music are already dead,anime just hasn't caught up yet

explain pls.

The former two are no longer competitive as they used to

Japan economy is fucked, and their ageing problem is only getting worse. These problems do not favour the development of anime at all

sub9meMay 24, 2015 9:47 PM

It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on.

May 24, 2015 9:45 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:

j0x said:
moe and sci-fi was done by Madoka Magica and become one of the best sellers so ye it can work

mfw Madoka is sci-fi

It has aliens. And entropy, albeit the kind that's solved by the suffering of little girls :P

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Zergneedsfood said:

j0x said:
moe and sci-fi was done by Madoka Magica and become one of the best sellers so ye it can work

mfw Madoka is sci-fi

for me it is sci-fi, whats all that time traveling and entropy is then

May 24, 2015 9:49 PM

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Zergneedsfood said:

DrCoppelius said:
It has aliens. And entropy, albeit the kind that's solved by the suffering of little girls :P

I mean....nobody in their right minds would say that Madoka is science fiction unless they don't really....read any actual sci-fi.

That's like saying Avatar the Last Airbender is sci-fi because one of the characters gets a bracelet from outer space. T_T;

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for me it is sci-fi, whats all that time traveling and entropy is then

1. having a few sci-fi tropes doesn't make you sci-fi
2. time traveling is not exclusive to science fiction

ok how about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy

May 24, 2015 9:52 PM

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Unyilkdr said:
well, when harem anime (sodekata and tastemen) easily get second season, things like nichijou have to survive just for finished. i just can hope family stuff (romance, non moe SOL, comedy, shounen) can still alive. that are enough for me.

this isn't a good example because nichijou is terrible

Anyway, as much as I respect Anno and like his works, I don't agree with him. It's far too early to call it dead
[size=50]and the best anime finished airing little over a year ago so...

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