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May 3, 2015 10:44 AM
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Didn't want to make a new thread, but, has volume 10 been translated?
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Static-Of-65 said:
Didn't want to make a new thread, but, has volume 10 been translated?


Yes. Just search Kyakka on google
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LordBanana said:
Static-Of-65 said:
Didn't want to make a new thread, but, has volume 10 been translated?


Yes. Just search Kyakka on google


Do you by any chance have a PDF or something?
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To be honest. i didn't understand anything from the end of that eps. can someone explain to me why was yukinoshita sad ?

Because she actually may have wanted to be the president of the student council. But she couldn't openly say it since she isn't that type of person. So when Hachiman convinced Iroha to join, Yukino lost her chance.

On a side note, I find it funny people calling her a bitch when she didn't do anything, or even better, she didn't want Hachiman to sacrifice himself AGAIN for the good of others, and even Hachiman has the same basis personality as her (want an example? take my reply to SmallDanger and look at the scene at the beginning of the episode, Hachiman wanted to "save" the club, but couldn't do anything because it's agains his nature, then when Komachi asked him to help Yui and Yukino, he did it, because it was his sister that asked, and she asked because she knew that was what he wanted to do, and he wouldn't openly do it because it's against his nature, he even went and asked a... friend for help...).


wow You are smart lol.. u Convinced me man thanks for your reply BTW.
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I need more episodes D: give me YuixHachiman and this anime will be my new favorite even bypassing Nisekoi. Also Komachi is my favourite little sister in any anime ever.
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Terapin said:
Lol man you are trying too hard. Yukino is a bitch, period. Stop justifying her act.

She is unreasonable and acts like a child. Always trying to cling to her values and moral without considering consequences or better said disregarding them. She thinks that her opinions are better than others and disdains everyone else.

Yukino is a flawed character but ultimately thats what makes her realistic. Even as a novel reader I hated her until vol 9.
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These characters are extremely overdramatic

Yui cries about almost anything, it's too unrealistic to bear
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EuTenhoBomGosto said:
These characters are extremely overdramatic

Yui cries about almost anything, it's too unrealistic to bear


You clearly have never been a teenage girl.
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EuTenhoBomGosto said:
These characters are extremely overdramatic

Yui cries about almost anything, it's too unrealistic to bear


Umm... I think most teenage girls love to cries or angry without reason, which is why it is hard to understand girls.... especially teenage girls...

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Hikigaya's more of a dick than Yukino is and yet he's lauded by fans all over while Yukino gets hate all around. Seriously, what the hell? lol
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Hikigaya's more of a dick than Yukino is and yet he's lauded by fans all over while Yukino gets hate all around. Seriously, what the hell? lol


Not to support Yukino as a bitch, but pretty much what Hikigaya is doing is always right in his own way. Hikigaya explains himself to the viewers very goodly on how the world is wrong and stuff, then like in this episode Hikigaya talked about the regret on the decision he made. While Yukino did not explain her actions, and keeps distancing herself from people who cared for her.

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Yukino must have really wanted to join the Student Council, she probably knew the club would still be together if she assigns them as her council members anyway. She just couldn't get the courage to do it without a good reason other than her own desire to join. Now that there's a reason, Hikigaya goes out of his way to erase that reason. That must be why she acted that way. However, it wasn't Hikigaya's fault. Hikigaya's idea of "normal" is for things "not to change" while Yukino's is for things "to change for the better". That's must have been why she said Hikigaya thought he understood but didn't.

Going back to Hikigaya's previous action of being the one to get rejected, Yukino's idea might have been not just about Hikigaya sacrificing himself but also that while things could change for Hayama's group it would be much more strengthened afterwards.

It's their conflict from the very beginning, just like with their club's first request (Yui's on her cookies). Yukino thought Yui had to improve her cooking while Hachiman thought Yui didn't have to change just to give cookies to someone. Contrary to Yukino's idea that "not trying" to improve because you're not good at it at all is "running away", Hikigaya did mention that changing yourself itself is "running away" and that one needs to accept himself.

In my opinion, I think their ideas are both correct. And one needs a balance of both. Yukino might not be seeing Hachiman's point because she's good at everything and that she may think it is one's fault if they're not good at something because they haven't tried enough to improve themselves. On the other hand, Hikigaya might not be seeing Yukino's point because he sucks at everything. In Hachiman's perspective, he learned to accept his pitiful state and rather than frustrating about it, he felt satisfied about it.

I just think one needs a balance of optimism and realism. Accept oneself while having the desire to improve.
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DarklordVor said:
NudeBear said:
Hikigaya's more of a dick than Yukino is and yet he's lauded by fans all over while Yukino gets hate all around. Seriously, what the hell? lol


Not to support Yukino as a bitch, but pretty much what Hikigaya is doing is always right in his own way. Hikigaya explains himself to the viewers very goodly on how the world is wrong and stuff, then like in this episode Hikigaya talked about the regret on the decision he made. While Yukino did not explain her actions, and keeps distancing herself from people who cared for her.


Fans worship the ground Hachiman walks on because his monologues sound smart and they think they can relate to him, when in reality, his "understanding" of the world and those around him isn't always right. That's the whole point of this story arc. Both Yukino and Hachiman pretend like they understand each other and Yui, but in reality they're relationship is just as superficial as Hayama's group.

We don't know what Yukino is thinking because the story is told from Hachiman's perspective. The fact that we don't know what she's really thinking is just a testimony to how Hachiman himself doesn't know what she's thinking either.
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Bless this show. If it keeps this up, might even get the rare 10/10 from me.

Favorite scene: komachi and hachiman, talking it out. what a rare and genuine sibling moment.


Vangis605 said:
Fans worship the ground Hachiman walks on because his monologues sound smart and they think they can relate to him, when in reality, his "understanding" of the world and those around him isn't always right. That's the whole point of this story arc. Both Yukino and Hachiman pretend like they understand each other and Yui, but in reality they're relationship is just as superficial as Hayama's group.

We don't know what Yukino is thinking because the story is told from Hachiman's perspective. The fact that we don't know what she's really thinking is just a testimony to how Hachiman himself doesn't know what she's thinking either.

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Great ep. Sad, but I think in the end one will end up having to sacrifice their feelings for the sake of the trio's continued friendship. And I really hope It's not Yui, although I think the odds are in Yukinon's favor.

Unless they all stay friends and HachiXSaika happens
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DarklordVor said:
NudeBear said:
Hikigaya's more of a dick than Yukino is and yet he's lauded by fans all over while Yukino gets hate all around. Seriously, what the hell? lol


Not to support Yukino as a bitch, but pretty much what Hikigaya is doing is always right in his own way. Hikigaya explains himself to the viewers very goodly on how the world is wrong and stuff, then like in this episode Hikigaya talked about the regret on the decision he made. While Yukino did not explain her actions, and keeps distancing herself from people who cared for her.


Basically, both Hachiman and Yukino both act inadequately. Just by looking at their behavior, it's debatable who's the bigger douche.
We're given the whole reasoning behind Hachiman's actions and all his thoughts on the matter(since the story is written from his perspective). Therefore, viewers can understand him (step 1), relate to him (step 2) and accept his actions (step 3).
But whenever Yukino does or says something, we're given comparatively little information about her reasoning and thoughts on the matter. Since the viewers don't have enough information, they can't relate to her (step 1 is missing). And this is where many of them make a mistake: Because they don't know all the reasoning behind Yukino's actions, they automatically assume that there is no reasoning, or that her reasoning is wrong.

PS: So let's face it. If the enirety of Season 2 was told from Yukino's perspective, inner monologues and all, most of the people bitching about Yukino being a bitch would instead be singing her praises while cursing Hachiman.
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Yukino fans are like philosophers. Meanwhile I'm just like Yui is adorable and its a anime not reality so let's have a cute couple!
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DarklordVor said:
NudeBear said:
Hikigaya's more of a dick than Yukino is and yet he's lauded by fans all over while Yukino gets hate all around. Seriously, what the hell? lol


Not to support Yukino as a bitch, but pretty much what Hikigaya is doing is always right in his own way. Hikigaya explains himself to the viewers very goodly on how the world is wrong and stuff, then like in this episode Hikigaya talked about the regret on the decision he made. While Yukino did not explain her actions, and keeps distancing herself from people who cared for her.

What that practically means is that if Hachiman didn't explain his actions, then he would be a hateable character. That's mightily hypocritical.
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Now that you guys mention it, yeah Hachiman is pretty much weird too.... I don't know then, sympathy? A relatable character? Self sacrifices? Heroic? Smart? Able to read in between lines? I don't know, pretty much a quite different character from Yukino in my opinion.

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Lol man you are trying too hard. Yukino is a bitch, period. Stop justifying her act.
Not according to wiki at least.

Tbh, my only point is that she is an understandable character with reasons behind her actions. Whether these reasons are justifiable is up to the person interpreting them. Personally, I think they are, at least more so than Hachiman's .

She is unreasonable and acts like a child
Childish, maybe. Unreasonable, most certainly not.
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Fucking Yui making Batman weak.
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I see myself a lot with 8man.

Relationships require hard and correct efforts to maintain, and yet the rewards are so little. Despite not having confidence, 8man still does his best in dealing relationships (to the point of self-suicide). This may come as a surprise, but it is precisely because he understands relationships are hard to maintain that he decides the "I don't wanna work" because, well, the rewards are so little. And because he understands perfectly, he's the best... mentor... when it comes to relationships.

It's probably just me, but the real reason he mostly decides to self-suicide is to see for himself how pathetic humans truly are. If he weren't there to solve those problems, everyone is in shatters right now. He probably wants them to know that relationships require sacrifice and yet nobody is willing to be the lone sheep in the wolf's den. He's in a completely different level that commoners couldn't possibly reach. And yet he's doing this for mere entertainment value for himself. That entertainment value is definitely priceless in his eyes, more than the "rewards" that comes from maintaining relationships.
kidlat020May 4, 2015 4:28 AM
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
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DarklordVor said:
Now that you guys mention it, yeah Hachiman is pretty much weird too.... I don't know then, sympathy? A relatable character? Self sacrifices? Heroic? Smart? Able to read in between lines? I don't know, pretty much a quite different character from Yukino in my opinion.


Yes, Hachiman is a 'different character from Yukino'. But that's it. They're different, and they're being douches in different ways. That alone doesn't make one better or worse than the other. It doesn't make one 'good', and the other one 'bad'.

You mentioned 'sympathy' and 'a relatable character', but those things are heavily dependent on the amount of information we get on a character. You can't relate to someone you don't understand.
Both Hachiman and Yukino are really smart. The stuff going through their heads is very complicated. They're extremely hard to understand if you only look at their actions and words. It's not unusual for them to remain silent instead of saying what's on their mind. When they do speak, their talk is complex. To us viewers, one of the greatest differences between these two characters is the amount of information we get on what's going through their heads. If we didn't know what Hachiman's thinking, he'd come across as a spiteful "there's only idiots in this world except for me" kind of character and we wouldn't understand why he's always helping people. A big part of what makes it possible for us to relate to him in the first place is the fact that we get to hear his thoughts and inner monologues. Even Komachi mentioned it in this episode: "I understand because I've lived with you all my life."

It's different with characters like Yui. Yui is easy to read and she always speaks her mind. We can completely understand her without hearing her thoughts.
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Iroha is gonna be quite an interesting character if she gets moar screentime.

8man haven't interacted with her much, and yet he clearly "read between the lines" on horsing around instead of helping her with the request. it takes quite the talent to stir 8man's head, and yet she did it almost flawlessly.
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
May 4, 2015 5:52 AM
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I' trying my best to continue liking Yuki, but there's just nothing redeeming about her so far. (Just started volume 10).
No justifications or explanations why she acts the way she does, nothing and her conversations with Hachiman are incredibly dull and short.
I guess there's some drama with her family I guess? Her sister?
Meanwhile Yui continues being Yui.
All in all, even Rei from EVA seemed more intriguing than Yuki.
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EuTenhoBomGosto said:
These characters are extremely overdramatic

Yui cries about almost anything, it's too unrealistic to bear


Than go and don't watch this great show...
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kidlat020 said:

Relationships require hard and correct efforts to maintain, and yet the rewards are so little. Despite not having confidence, 8man still does his best in dealing relationships (to the point of self-suicide). This may come as a surprise, but it is precisely because he understands relationships are hard to maintain that he decides the "I don't wanna work" because, well, the rewards are so little. And because he understands perfectly, he's the best... mentor... when it comes to relationships.

It's probably just me, but the real reason he mostly decides to self-suicide is to see for himself how pathetic humans truly are. If he weren't there to solve those problems, everyone is in shatters right now. He probably wants them to know that relationships require sacrifice and yet nobody is willing to be the lone sheep in the wolf's den. He's in a completely different level that commoners couldn't possibly reach. And yet he's doing this for mere entertainment value for himself. That entertainment value is definitely priceless in his eyes, more than the "rewards" that comes from maintaining relationships.


I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss relationships. Take Hachiman for example, he takes his relationship with his sister for granted, but i bet he couldnt even imagine not having that... I think the rewards are worth it, even for someone like him, it simply takes the right approach.

Also, if i may...

Id say he takes antagonistic view on work not because he sees it as something that takes a lot of effort (actually Hikkigaya puts a lot of effort without realizing, for example during the summer festival), but because work for him means affirming society and the superficial values he rejects.

As for the reason behind his self-deprecating acts, that is perhaps the most important point of this whole work, but also one that never has been and probably never will be stated clearly. Im sure its okey if everyone has his own interpretation, that is actually true for themseves, rather than Hikkigaya...
Personally, id say he does that because it affirms his position of being outside. To explain, you cant judge system from the inside. Not thinking himself as part of the society and part of the system allows Hikkigaya to judge it and maintain his superiority. Rather than this being simply the case of narcissism, i believe its about maintaining his values. There are people out there who are not able to compromise their values (Yukinoshita is great example of such character), because for them their values and the filters they perceive the world through are their very identity.

Consequentially, Hikkigaya's social suicides do not hurt him, they strenghten his position, he feeds upon them. Its what keeps him going, its his drug, his worth.
Consider:

1 Hayama - Hikkigaya in ep 4 where Hayama (most likely) projects his own feelings on Hikkigaya and asks him to stop hurting himself
Hikkigaya says: "Its normal for me..." i bit later: "... I wont let anyone call that self-sacrifice. I have my convictions"

2 Hayama - Hikkigaya in the S1 ep3 tennis match
Hikkigaya says: "Hayama how many people did you play baseball with? I played alone. While you guys were being nice to each other for one reason or another, i faced all of it by myself"

3 Hikkigaya - Sagami in S1 on the roof (also beginning of S2 ep1)
Hikkigaya says: "Sagami, we are both similar, we both feed from the darkest depths of society"

4 Hiratsuka sensei afterwards
sensei: "Hikkigaya, helping someone isnt reason to hurt yourself, even if you are used to the pain"

5 Hikkigaya random monologues in S1
Hikkigaya: "Loners pride themselves on being alone. Dont understimate loners."

6 S2 ep4
Yukinoshita to Hikkigaya: "You greatly overestimate yourself if you think you can influence the whole student body alone" and "If you think everybody cares about you enough to hate you, you think far too much of yourself"

Particularly the last case subtly hints at Hikkigaya's tendency to make everyone hate him. I think he said before that hate is just as much of an acknowledgement as like. By making people hate him, he sees the society acknowledge his presence and by walking off into the distance, without anyone noticing, after another one of his despicable acts, he puts his worth against that of the whole society.

In my opinion the thing thats twisted about Hikkigaya is not that he rejects societal norms or his cynism or whatever, but the fact that he finds going against the whole world admirable, subconsciously and acts on this instinct. I dont think its ever about his methods being right or wrong, or working or not, or whose methods are better, i think its simply about his perspective and finding that small thing that can subtly change it so he can accept the world as it is and the world can accept him as he is, without any of the two changing. I dont know what that small thing is, but i feel like im this close to being able to formulate it. Lets call it something genuine for now.
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Nice Episode..
There's one thing that i couldn't understand.
Is Yukino is angry with 8man or happy, for the problem solved?


"A problem's not a problem as long as nobody sees it as one. "
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I got naughty thoughts when Hachiman was talking with his sister.... I wanted them to hug...
#CHEXIT
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Ogrimen said:
Nice Episode..
There's one thing that i couldn't understand.
Is Yukino is angry with 8man or happy, for the problem solved?


"A problem's not a problem as long as nobody sees it as one. "


Yukino is upset with both Yui and Hachiman for issues unrelated the the solved problem. Iroha's problem only served at the catalyst.
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sspit said:
kidlat020 said:

Relationships require hard and correct efforts to maintain, and yet the rewards are so little. Despite not having confidence, 8man still does his best in dealing relationships (to the point of self-suicide). This may come as a surprise, but it is precisely because he understands relationships are hard to maintain that he decides the "I don't wanna work" because, well, the rewards are so little. And because he understands perfectly, he's the best... mentor... when it comes to relationships.

It's probably just me, but the real reason he mostly decides to self-suicide is to see for himself how pathetic humans truly are. If he weren't there to solve those problems, everyone is in shatters right now. He probably wants them to know that relationships require sacrifice and yet nobody is willing to be the lone sheep in the wolf's den. He's in a completely different level that commoners couldn't possibly reach. And yet he's doing this for mere entertainment value for himself. That entertainment value is definitely priceless in his eyes, more than the "rewards" that comes from maintaining relationships.


I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss relationships. Take Hachiman for example, he takes his relationship with his sister for granted, but i bet he couldnt even imagine not having that... I think the rewards are worth it, even for someone like him, it simply takes the right approach.

Also, if i may...

Id say he takes antagonistic view on work not because he sees it as something that takes a lot of effort (actually Hikkigaya puts a lot of effort without realizing, for example during the summer festival), but because work for him means affirming society and the superficial values he rejects.

As for the reason behind his self-deprecating acts, that is perhaps the most important point of this whole work, but also one that never has been and probably never will be stated clearly. Im sure its okey if everyone has his own interpretation, that is actually true for themseves, rather than Hikkigaya...
Personally, id say he does that because it affirms his position of being outside. To explain, you cant judge system from the inside. Not thinking himself as part of the society and part of the system allows Hikkigaya to judge it and maintain his superiority. Rather than this being simply the case of narcissism, i believe its about maintaining his values. There are people out there who are not able to compromise their values (Yukinoshita is great example of such character), because for them their values and the filters they perceive the world through are their very identity.

Consequentially, Hikkigaya's social suicides do not hurt him, they strenghten his position, he feeds upon them. Its what keeps him going, its his drug, his worth.
Consider:

1 Hayama - Hikkigaya in ep 4 where Hayama (most likely) projects his own feelings on Hikkigaya and asks him to stop hurting himself
Hikkigaya says: "Its normal for me..." i bit later: "... I wont let anyone call that self-sacrifice. I have my convictions"

2 Hayama - Hikkigaya in the S1 ep3 tennis match
Hikkigaya says: "Hayama how many people did you play baseball with? I played alone. While you guys were being nice to each other for one reason or another, i faced all of it by myself"

3 Hikkigaya - Sagami in S1 on the roof (also beginning of S2 ep1)
Hikkigaya says: "Sagami, we are both similar, we both feed from the darkest depths of society"

4 Hiratsuka sensei afterwards
sensei: "Hikkigaya, helping someone isnt reason to hurt yourself, even if you are used to the pain"

5 Hikkigaya random monologues in S1
Hikkigaya: "Loners pride themselves on being alone. Dont understimate loners."

6 S2 ep4
Yukinoshita to Hikkigaya: "You greatly overestimate yourself if you think you can influence the whole student body alone" and "If you think everybody cares about you enough to hate you, you think far too much of yourself"

Particularly the last case subtly hints at Hikkigaya's tendency to make everyone hate him. I think he said before that hate is just as much of an acknowledgement as like. By making people hate him, he sees the society acknowledge his presence and by walking off into the distance, without anyone noticing, after another one of his despicable acts, he puts his worth against that of the whole society.

In my opinion the thing thats twisted about Hikkigaya is not that he rejects societal norms or his cynism or whatever, but the fact that he finds going against the whole world admirable, subconsciously and acts on this instinct. I dont think its ever about his methods being right or wrong, or working or not, or whose methods are better, i think its simply about his perspective and finding that small thing that can subtly change it so he can accept the world as it is and the world can accept him as he is, without any of the two changing. I dont know what that small thing is, but i feel like im this close to being able to formulate it. Lets call it something genuine for now.


pretty optimistic. but here's a simpler reason:

He wanted to prove himself he's wrong. That the problems can be solved without sacrifices (or in this newest case, lies). Well, nothing's happening, he knows it, and yet this shit must go on. One day, 8man will just go "fuck it already" and conclude that he's right and stop caring for those people who he barely knows.

As for his sister, I think 8 man will be fine. Even if, say, Komachi was never born. I feel bad saying that. They both said it right? spend someone for 15 years and you'd be --forced-- to understand them to the point of accepting their flaws.
kidlat020May 4, 2015 6:49 PM
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
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kidlat020 said:

He wanted to prove himself he's wrong. That the problems can be solved without sacrifices (or in this newest case, lies). Well, nothing's happening, he knows it, and yet this shit must go on.

I dont uderstand. How would he prove that.

kidlat020 said:

As for his sister, I think 8 man will be fine. Even if, say, Komachi was never born.

I agree.

And yes, shared experience is a form of long term ice-breaker. I think this shows that the blame of failed and broken relationships is simply on unwillingness of the people involved.
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I dont uderstand. How would he prove that.


taking this newest case into account

1. Yui wanted to keep the club running.
2. Iroha doesn't want to win the election
3. Yukino probably wanted to be president

conflict of interest right there. to satisfy one problem is to let the other die out. this time, Yukino was the sacrifice plus the twitter lie.

To 8man's eyes, to "watch" this unfold is his form of entertainment. Thus he isn't really sacrificing himself just like he said to Hayama.
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
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I got naughty thoughts when Hachiman was talking with his sister.... I wanted them to hug...


Amen !!!!
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kidlat020 said:
To 8man's eyes, to "watch" this unfold is his form of entertainment. Thus he isn't really sacrificing himself just like he said to Hayama.

I see. Could you perhaps call it curiosity in social observations rather than entertainment?
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Two questions

1) Why did Iroha's way of rejection change, really?

2) Why does Shiromeguri always have the face of someone who has just smoked some real weed?


1. Looks to me like she's making up the reasons on the fly. She probably doesn't want to tell him the actual reason. Either that, or there's just many different reasons to reject him xD

2. It's called being happy-go-lucky. She doesn't have a reason not to be that way. She's living a fulfilled life, after all.
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Man I really wished Yukino would be president :/ I might be in the minority but I really like her the best out of all the female characters in the anime, I seriously wish she had a bigger role this episode.
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Man I really wished Yukino would be president :/ I might be in the minority but I really like her the best out of all the female characters in the anime, I seriously wish she had a bigger role this episode.


Uhh... Yukino is pretty much the best girl character from almost like all the popularity poll made that have Oregairu in it. I think she have lesser role because in Vol. 9, she's supposed to have an arc for herself.

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xcess090 said:
Man I really wished Yukino would be president :/ I might be in the minority but I really like her the best out of all the female characters in the anime, I seriously wish she had a bigger role this episode.


Uhh... Yukino is pretty much the best girl character from almost like all the popularity poll made that have Oregairu in it. I think she have lesser role because in Vol. 9, she's supposed to have an arc for herself.


so She'll have an arc in the next few episode? Awesome!
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I see. Could you perhaps call it curiosity in social observations rather than entertainment?


I can't.

Remember 8man was --forced-- to the club. He even wants to quit. So no, he already knows what shit will happen. Thus the "unfolding drama", plus his influence to it, is his last form of entertainment.

This kind of mindset is something commoners won't understand unless spoonfed to them. Heck, even Yukino + Yui weren't able to fully understand 8man despite how close(?) they are.
kidlat020May 6, 2015 1:44 AM
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
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kidlat020 said:
sspit said:
I see. Could you perhaps call it curiosity in social observations rather than entertainment?


I can't.

Remember 8man was --forced-- to the club. He even wants to quit. So no, he already knows what shit will happen. This is his last form of entertainment.


His last form of entertainment?
Seems to me, that you are seeing 8man as a malicious individual....
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His last form of entertainment?
Seems to me, that you are seeing 8man as a malicious individual....


Because its not like he wanted to be in that club. And no, that's not a tsundere punchliner.

He'd be insane otherwise, to solve all those requests and he gets absolutely nothing in return. The reason he still efforts himself in that club

1. He want to prove himself wrong. Or at least, cling to that little faith towards humanity.
2. The "excitement" in watching how the drama he influenced with went to.
kidlat020May 6, 2015 2:02 AM
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
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kidlat020 said:
testamentKAISER said:
His last form of entertainment?
Seems to me, that you are seeing 8man as a malicious individual....


Because its not like he wanted to be in that club. And no, that's not a tsundere punchliner.

He'd be insane otherwise, to solve all those requests and he gets absolutely nothing in return. The reason he still efforts himself in that club

1. He want to prove himself wrong. Or at least, cling to that little faith towards humanity.
2. The &quot;excitement&quot; in watching how the drama he influenced with went to.


The only thing right your post is that Hachiman didn't want to join the club. And his actions in the last few episodes clearly show that he values it now.

If he seriously wanted to get away from the Service Club, why not let Yukino become the student council president? Easy way out.
But no, he didn't do that.

Your reasons #1 and #2 have never been stated by Hachiman in any media (anime or LN) and is just your assumption. Hachiman getting "nothing in return" is also a stretch; although Hachiman probably feels that way too, he's wrong.

Hachiman isn't some god-man watching the world who decides to intervene from time to time. He's a bitter, cynical teenager who's lazy and generally unmotived until a woman (typically) influences him to action.... (Sensei to join the club, Yui & Yukino via the Service Club, Komachi in this last episode.) And even then, he's not alway right and sometimes makes things worse with his "solutions."
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kidlat020 said:

1. He want to prove himself wrong. Or at least, cling to that little faith towards humanity.


No? Hachiman is not that kind of person. He doesn't want faith, what he want is understanding. Despite all of the things he went through, he still want to understand other people through logic and observation. An overlooked fact considering the multitude of monologues about people. Hence, why Haruno label him as monster of logic and monster of self-consciousness.
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The only thing right your post is that Hachiman didn't want to join the club. And his actions in the last few episodes clearly show that he values it now.


This theory doesn't work. Else he wouldn't "sacrifice" himself on the first/second/third day. I don't think the club's worth(?) increased in 8man's eyes even at this point. Its worth is still the same, on the first day until now.
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.
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kidlat020 said:
Vangis605 said:


The only thing right your post is that Hachiman didn't want to join the club. And his actions in the last few episodes clearly show that he values it now.


This theory doesn't work. Else he wouldn't "sacrifice" himself on the first/second/third day. I don't think the club's worth(?) increased in 8man's eyes even at this point. Its worth is still the same, on the first day until now.


If Hachiman wanted to quit the club, he would have countless ways to do so. He's smart enough to find even more possibilities. Shizuka-sensei alone wouldn't be able to stop him. She has no legal right to force him to stay in the first place. If he truly wanted to quit, he would have done so long ago. But he didn't. He only ever tried to quit once, when Totsuka asked him to join the tennis club. That was the first and the last attempt. Which means he *decided* to stay at some point after that.

kidlat020 said:
I see myself a lot with 8man.


You're trying too hard to make Hachiman look like you. That's wishful thinking. Your theory is very forced.
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kidlat020 said:


This theory doesn't work. Else he wouldn't "sacrifice" himself on the first/second/third day. I don't think the club's worth(?) increased in 8man's eyes even at this point. Its worth is still the same, on the first day until now.


If Hachiman wanted to quit the club, he would have countless ways to do so. He's smart enough to find even more possibilities. Shizuka-sensei alone wouldn't be able to stop him. She has no legal right to force him to stay in the first place. If he truly wanted to quit, he would have done so long ago. But he didn't. He only ever tried to quit once, when Totsuka asked him to join the tennis club. That was the first and the last attempt. Which means he *decided* to stay at some point after that.


Not accurate if we include the LN that is. Hachiman since from the beginning loathe the club and thought up several excuses to avoid it altogether. He gave it up since he reckoned Hiratsuka will punch him on the gut again so he stayed quiet the whole time. He admitted he didn't like the club at all from the beginning but later on, he confessed that he started to like the club and attend it on his own will.
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but later on, he confessed that he started to like the club


Where is this?
>I had no brain when I was 12
>Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12
>I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12
>Therefore children cannot consent

This is what science has done to humanity.

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