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Apr 19, 2015 3:37 PM
#401
Harlequina said: What are peoples' general opinion on the realta nua Vita ("2012") OST? I was recording a video and just went with the default options, except with Emiya. Default for the latest realta nua translation patches = Vita OST. Yes they give you the option to change between song version. But now I'm not entirely sure I should've done that. I know that I personally like the remix of All Evil of the World more than the original, but that's all I can say for sure right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHPMkzA79Z4 My observations are the following: 2012 OST got definitly better piono quality and it sounds "cleaner" and "smoother". That means that most of the 2012 OST is better than the original, escpacially the battle music (aside from Emiya). However the 2012 OST often tends to butcher the "background" aspects of a track, which was often the main charm of the original OST... I am still on the fence about everyday music myself, but in general I'd say: Choose 2012 OST for everything, aside from the following few exceptions which I think are better in original form: -Emiya -The End of Reminiscence -Quiet Voice -Ever-Present Feeling (yes, I am serious, 2012 version only improves piano aspect, but everything else about it sounds worse than the original, escpacially those "bells" in the background, damn the 2012 version completely butchered that aspect, which is IMO the most memorable and impactful part of the track) |
Grey-ZoneApr 19, 2015 3:42 PM
Apr 19, 2015 4:00 PM
#402
What about In the Name of God? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u_QQKVZKXE vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfXz3ZgGTUc I'm on the fence about that one. Definitely keeping original Emiya. And as for the Everpresent Feeling remix... well, it sounded pretty normal to me tbh while recording, so I think that's good enough really. It'll play for only 1:30 minutes (when Shirou starts thinking about Sakura during his fight with Kirei) Edit: You know what, this is fine as it is. If it switch between originals and remixes too much it'll probably sound a bit weird anyway (2012 sounds "cleaner" like you said). Original Emiya is enough. Thanks for the input. |
HarlequinaApr 19, 2015 4:21 PM
Apr 19, 2015 11:49 PM
#403
Grey-Zone said: -Ever-Present Feeling (yes, I am serious, 2012 version only improves piano aspect, but everything else about it sounds worse than the original, escpacially those "bells" in the background, damn the 2012 version completely butchered that aspect, which is IMO the most memorable and impactful part of the track) I kinda like the 2012 version. I didn't at first, but it kinda grows on you. I agree tho, the original is faaaaarrrr better. Just hearing it bring back memories of the VN. So~ emotionally resonant ;_; |
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Apr 20, 2015 4:40 PM
#404
So it looks like they're putting a bit of Lancer and Gil next ep. I hope they don't replace one of the only good retreats and replace with a dumb one. I like Rin holding Shinji hostage, and Kiri sending Lancer to possibly get into a fight with Gil just to save Shirou and Rin doesn't really make sense. |
Apr 20, 2015 4:54 PM
#405
Or not lol I heard Lancer being angry in the preview and I thought he must must get to the castle earlier. If he's talking to Archer that must be at the end of the episode because I thought that would be ages away. |
Apr 20, 2015 10:08 PM
#406
I don't think there's much to cover until the church scene, or is there? |
Apr 20, 2015 10:48 PM
#407
FlamepriesT said: I don't think there's much to cover until the church scene, or is there? Iirc - Rin has to save Shirou, Gilgamesh leaves - Rin and Shirou have a very important talk (I hope this isn't rushed), Lancer shows up as they're leaving. - Lancer teases Rin a bit (somewhere around here Caster has a chat with Archer) (Do they go straight to the church?) - Arrive at church, Rin and Shirou confronts team caster while Archer faces off against Lancer. I guess it isn't allot, it just seems like a lot of important stuff happens, I hope each part gets a decent amount of time without making it look like they're teleporting everywhere lol |
Apr 21, 2015 2:02 AM
#408
There is also the pendant explanation from Rin. EDIT:I looked in the lparchive. There is Distortion talk,Gil identity and power speculation,Lancer alliance and the walk through the forest which includes the pendant reveal.Then they reach they church. |
ssjokgApr 21, 2015 5:37 AM
Apr 21, 2015 5:32 AM
#409
The preview also seems to imply an original scene with Kuzuki. Tbh it seems like they might be rushing a bit next episode, I expected it to end right before they got to the church, but if they're having Lancer and Archer's confrontation and new scenes too... I just hope it doesn't take away from the Distortion scene, or the caratherization Lancer gets in this part (the talk as they walk out of the forest is pretty good, wonder if that'll be cut). |
Apr 21, 2015 5:37 AM
#410
I dont think the fight will start.Just like it was with Sasaki and Saber,or Herc and Gil. Like" "I dont like Servants like you" "Pride yada yada" "Shirou lets go" Lancer takes fighting stance. |
Apr 21, 2015 5:51 AM
#411
I agree, the two teams squaring up will be the cliffhanger for next episode. Although I do think it will still have to be a little zippy, "Don't touch my tsundere" scene is pretty much confirmed considering the BL preview, but I hope there's a little more interaction than that. |
Apr 21, 2015 5:58 AM
#412
WrongPriest said: I agree, the two teams squaring up will be the cliffhanger for next episode. Although I do think it will still have to be a little zippy, "Don't touch my tsundere" scene is pretty much confirmed considering the BL preview, but I hope there's a little more interaction than that. Well Lancer has to explain why he is there so that will be there.And no matter what he says or does(elevator scene)he always has his attitude mixed in so it will be ok. What they must must be careful with is Distortion and Gil's analysis. That way we wont have "OMG Shirou beat Gil who killed Herc.PLOT armor" Then again in the ep discussion, someone called the girl that screamed in school PLOT ARMOR so... |
Apr 21, 2015 6:06 AM
#413
Speaking of Analysis I wish they had put in more of Shirou getting sword boners.. I fear the eleventh hour super powers will be strong. But yeah I've been waiting for Distortion for ages, I can only pray atm |
Apr 21, 2015 6:24 AM
#414
Well the only swords he was getting boners from,in UBW, are K&B.Even in Fate the only time you feel like"Woah that guy sure has a sword fetish" is when he talks about Gil's original NPs.Before that it was "Hm, I like swords". For Distortion they have to show that Shirou isnt right in the head(well they already did but there is emphasis here)with Rin POV,as in the VN. They have to make people understand that Shirou can have his reasons for being like that even if they dont understand them, like Rin. Shirou's lines are more or less the same as before but here he starts reaching an answer to what Saber was asking him previously and what Archer was saying.They have to make him seem like he reached an answer,like in the VN,so that Answer will feel more "natural". If you ask me, Answer already has the foundation it needs(unlike a certain movie),but it will be better if they make Shirou appear like he had already reached an answer before it. For Answer I am more afraid about Archer.They have to make it like he does understand what Shirou is saying and that he starts remembering how he was at his age(or before becoming a CG).Showing him realizing his mistake just before Shirou stabs him wont be enough. |
Apr 21, 2015 8:01 AM
#415
Am I right in thinking that there's "a lot of episodes left for what is actually in the route in the VN"? If that's correct, then... either there'll be a fair amount of potentially interesting new content, or they'll spend more time than usual on certain big events that take place later. You guys have been saying that there's some rushing with the plot (now and in earlier episodes). That's why I bring it up. |
Apr 21, 2015 8:33 AM
#416
Harlequina said: Am I right in thinking that there's "a lot of episodes left for what is actually in the route in the VN"? If that's correct, then... either there'll be a fair amount of potentially interesting new content, or they'll spend more time than usual on certain big events that take place later. You guys have been saying that there's some rushing with the plot (now and in earlier episodes). That's why I bring it up. Isn't that a bit weird though? The first cour was pretty well paced but the last few episodes have all been a little squashed. What are they rushing to? Longer fights? Well if it's true than the underground church confrontation should last at least 3 episodes :) That'll make me happy. |
Apr 21, 2015 9:12 AM
#417
I just realized that the preview scene is Shirou's piece in a fire. |
Apr 21, 2015 9:16 AM
#418
WrongPriest said: Harlequina said: Am I right in thinking that there's "a lot of episodes left for what is actually in the route in the VN"? If that's correct, then... either there'll be a fair amount of potentially interesting new content, or they'll spend more time than usual on certain big events that take place later. You guys have been saying that there's some rushing with the plot (now and in earlier episodes). That's why I bring it up. Isn't that a bit weird though? The first cour was pretty well paced but the last few episodes have all been a little squashed. What are they rushing to? Longer fights? Well if it's true than the underground church confrontation should last at least 3 episodes :) That'll make me happy. Keep in mind that first cour TV airing had 16 episodes length (episodes 0 + 1...12 from which three episodes are double length), while the TV airing of the second cour TV airing will only have 13 episodes length (episodes 13...24 from which the last one is double lenght). From that it's almost certain that the second cour will have much more of BD additions than the first cour had. I think EP14 was already confirmed to have 7 minutes cut... |
Apr 21, 2015 9:17 AM
#419
WrongPriest said: Harlequina said: Am I right in thinking that there's "a lot of episodes left for what is actually in the route in the VN"? If that's correct, then... either there'll be a fair amount of potentially interesting new content, or they'll spend more time than usual on certain big events that take place later. You guys have been saying that there's some rushing with the plot (now and in earlier episodes). That's why I bring it up. Isn't that a bit weird though? The first cour was pretty well paced but the last few episodes have all been a little squashed. What are they rushing to? Longer fights? Well if it's true than the underground church confrontation should last at least 3 episodes :) That'll make me happy. I certainly hope so.That is the same reason why I am being neutral about the entire scenario.Though certain changes up till now has aggravated me quite enough,if Nasu says that there is something to look forward to in the later half,I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to him even if I am personally,not a big fan of Miura. |
Apr 21, 2015 9:20 AM
#420
Othi-tan said: I just realized that the preview scene is Shirou's piece in a fire. Oh wow. That's actually.. pretty cool. |
Apr 21, 2015 10:15 AM
#421
Othi-tan said: I just realized that the preview scene is Shirou's piece in a fire. Damn, that's awesome, I was trying to figure this one out. Why is Shirou's pawn now black, though? And what's the piece it's reflecting? Regardless, that bodes well for Distortion, at least they'll definitely insist on the effect the fire had. Hopefully they keep the part about him "dying, and being reborn" (it's in internal monologue). At the very least, we should get the way he admired Kiritsugu's happiness. There's also a reminder of "I'm used to seeing dead bodies" at the school. And the way he outright tells Rin "I can't listen to your warning. I realize there's something wrong with me. But it's all right. Because there's no way that wanting to help people can be a mistake." is freaking great. |
Apr 21, 2015 11:23 AM
#422
It was black? Just rewatched.Yeah.I dont think there is a real reason.The night, the smoke, the burns or it could be black so we can the reflection of that other piece that is probably Kiritsugu. |
ssjokgApr 21, 2015 11:30 AM
Apr 21, 2015 11:54 AM
#423
Harlequina said: Am I right in thinking that there's "a lot of episodes left for what is actually in the route in the VN"? If that's correct, then... either there'll be a fair amount of potentially interesting new content, or they'll spend more time than usual on certain big events that take place later. You guys have been saying that there's some rushing with the plot (now and in earlier episodes). That's why I bring it up. Yeah, some moments were rushed. I totally agree with you - given the fact that the last episode will be longer and assuming the wrap up the church events in the following 2-3 episodes, there'll still be enough time for 1-2 full episode left according to my predictions. But to be honest, I don't believe they rushed any vn content aside from ep 1. In that case, it seemed like they were trying to get that part out of the way so that the following episodes could start with an appropriate scene, have some character backstory, and still end with a cliffhanger or a fitting moment. |
Apr 21, 2015 12:44 PM
#424
Grey-Zone said: Second half consists of episodes #13~25.WrongPriest said: Harlequina said: Am I right in thinking that there's "a lot of episodes left for what is actually in the route in the VN"? If that's correct, then... either there'll be a fair amount of potentially interesting new content, or they'll spend more time than usual on certain big events that take place later. You guys have been saying that there's some rushing with the plot (now and in earlier episodes). That's why I bring it up. Isn't that a bit weird though? The first cour was pretty well paced but the last few episodes have all been a little squashed. What are they rushing to? Longer fights? Well if it's true than the underground church confrontation should last at least 3 episodes :) That'll make me happy. Keep in mind that first cour TV airing had 16 episodes length (episodes 0 + 1...12 from which three episodes are double length), while the TV airing of the second cour TV airing will only have 13 episodes length (episodes 13...24 from which the last one is double lenght). From that it's almost certain that the second cour will have much more of BD additions than the first cour had. I think EP14 was already confirmed to have 7 minutes cut... |
Apr 21, 2015 1:52 PM
#425
Oh wait, if it's a 13 episode cour and the last one is twice as long, then there's like 2-3 episodes too many. I really don't know what they're going to do with these. |
Apr 21, 2015 3:17 PM
#426
FlamepriesT said: Oh wait, if it's a 13 episode cour and the last one is twice as long, then there's like 2-3 episodes too many. I really don't know what they're going to do with these. Archer backstory episodes, and/or 3-episodes long answer, with Lancer shining moment inbetween to please actionfags. Or if we get lucky, epilogue will be the whole of EP25, showing grail dismantaleing and Shirou showing off Archer-level skill. |
Apr 21, 2015 3:26 PM
#428
GARBrotato said: Grey-Zone said: Yes please.3-episodes long answer I don't know, that might be wishful thinking. |
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Apr 21, 2015 3:27 PM
#429
Mickdrew said: I said the magic word.GARBrotato said: Grey-Zone said: 3-episodes long answer I don't know, that might be wishful thinking. |
Apr 21, 2015 3:32 PM
#430
GARBrotato said: Mickdrew said: I said the magic word.GARBrotato said: Grey-Zone said: Yes please.3-episodes long answer I don't know, that might be wishful thinking. Damn, that shut me up :3 3 episode answer confirmed! ^_^ |
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Apr 21, 2015 4:48 PM
#431
Grey-Zone said: FlamepriesT said: Oh wait, if it's a 13 episode cour and the last one is twice as long, then there's like 2-3 episodes too many. I really don't know what they're going to do with these. Archer backstory episodes, and/or 3-episodes long answer, with Lancer shining moment inbetween to please actionfags. Or if we get lucky, epilogue will be the whole of EP25, showing grail dismantaleing and Shirou showing off Archer-level skill. I don't think these things would be that good for the most part. Ufotable would have to do an amazing job to keep people engaged for that long. The backstory scenes haven't been as interesting as the rest of the series, so I don't know if that'd be a good move, even though that seems to be a Ufotable has decided to go for in the second cour (meh). I don't think having a 2-episode long epilogue would be any good, unless they have some fantistic ideas or want to put us to sleep like they did with KnK's epilogue. There is more than enough time for Shirou and Rin to raid the temple and everything to be wrapped up in ep 25, even if the fight scenes are really long. They just have to end ep 24 with that in mind, which is really easy. |
Apr 21, 2015 5:19 PM
#432
I was exaggerating, still I hope epilogue ends on a little more final note than VN UBW True did, like skip completely to London or something. |
Apr 21, 2015 11:47 PM
#433
I don’t like old stories. In particular, I don’t like other people’s old stories. Just what is so entertaining about having to listen to others brag about themselves? I’d rather swim with salmon if I had the time for that. No, I’m not saying I like salmon. If I have to swim, it is with a woman, and she better be a fine one at that. If all you want is to listen to me talk though, I will bear with it a bit. This is my attempt at what the poets do. With practice, it would be of use when wooing a woman who is not all there. Five years; that was the age that we became family. Not my age, hers. I knew when I first laid eyes on her that her that she would be a beaut, but then my old man said to guide her as if she were my brother, and that’s how I decided to see her. I didn’t think there was any chance in hell it could be kept a secret though. King Uther was a man above other men, but still a man in the end. He probably knew that he would lose to the Picts in the North and in the coming battle against Vortigern, to say nothing of the Saxons. So he came up with the idea of making the next king, not one who was merely above other men, but something that was no man. A hybrid between man and dragon. The incarnation of the king born in the mold of a human body. Merlin loved it. He must have been running throughout the castle with his hands up in the air. What, you want me to stop embellishing what I haven’t seen? I’m not guessing. I’m certain that’s what happened. You magi and your lot love the new, the foolhardy, the unimaginable. Continuing on, the raw material of the king was made unbeknownst to all else, with King Uther’s blood, dragon blood, and the blood of a noble woman best suited for binding them together. There wasn’t a trace of romance in it. No exchange of letters, no secret rendezvous at night; just an act for leaving behind results. What, you think there was love in it? Are you daft man? It’s because you can’t even understand that that you’re inhuman. And that was how Arto — King Arthur was born. They call it conceptual fertilization in magery so I hear. Not making a dragon a man, but giving a man the functions of a dragon. She may have been a human being at first, but there’s something unnatural mixed inside. “The King is not the incarnation of the dragon; his heart is a single dragon. His magical power is of a level beyond ours. I ask you not to seek the same values as ours from one possessing magic like the gods.” That's what Agravain would regularly say to the knights, but I concur, not as much as he may have meant of course. No one under those conditions would grow up into being a proper human being. You wouldn’t expect it normally. Yet, that’s what wasn’t normal about her. Everything else about her was normal when she was a runt except for that. It is almost hard to believe now, but she had been no different from the other girls in town. She’d been disciplined by the old man and etiquette drilled into her bones, but once in town, she became just like her surroundings. She was a town girl, a simple town girl. But her being a poor loser was a trait she was born with. Defeat to her wasn’t being sore over losing to someone other, it was being sore at her own weakness. Her pride may take a blow, but soon after she would bring her face up. She wasted no time consoling herself. Optimistic to the point of ludicrousness, but hurt easily. She must have been too serious to brush things off. The knights outside of the castle talk as if she has a heart of iron, but she was reed, not iron. She may be bruised, but not once has her heart broken. A girl like that was raised for ten years under the strict watch of my old man. So of course she would become an ideal king. It was nothing but trouble from me however. I wasn’t there to see her pull the sword. A part of me thought ‘just do as you will’. After all, why should I have to warn her, who had everything since she was born? I had no reason to stop her. She can sod off for all I care. You should know more than me about what happened next. And you won’t have me talking of the days when we were training and adventuring after she took out the sword. I might find myself swinging a blade at you from years of pent-up grudges if I recollect all of the trouble you and her dragged me into. When she finished her training and mastered Caliburn, she finally began calling herself the rightful king. She had humble beginnings. She started with saving a tribe and establishing a base of operations. The old man did teach her that laying groundwork was critical. If we were to defeat Vortigern, it was ideal to raise an army to match his while being as low profile as possible. To date, there have been eleven pitched battles against the Saxons, but the Round Table at the very first of them consisted of only you and me I believe. From there, everything took off. She reorganized the lost cataphracts and literally raced across the battlefield freely, crushing Saxon footsoldiers and breaking through many a barricade. Gods, who would have thought she would adopt those tactics after seeing how much she loved taking care of the creatures. What? You’re saying that people were dying too? It’s fine if soldiers die. They were fighting to protect their families and their land. It was survival. But not for horses; they had nothing to do with the squabbles between men and other men. They don’t consider why they are running and even why they are dying. That is a different sin from the death of our men. For her it was at least. It was when she emerged victorious from one of those battles that the name of King Arthur became known throughout the island. Ah, but somewhere along the way she fell into Morgan’s trap thanks to a certain someone’s womanizing and lost Caliburn. What? That was a necessary ritual for acquiring Excalibur? I don’t give a toss. I can remember how ridiculous she looked as she marched with us trying to conceal from everyone that she had lost her holy sword. Her face was paler than pale can be. I ended up once again having to make a wooden carving of a bird catching a salmon. And Morgan. How did such a fine lady become such a frightening thing? Just when it seemed as if she had the innocence of a fairy, she became as magnificent as a warrior maiden, and then suddenly possessed the brutality of a witch. If you ask me, it’s as if there were three women inside of her. Still, she is the proper daughter of King Uther. Morgan may have had similar circumstances as she had. She never let go of her hatred for Arthur since the building of Camelot, and come to think of it, I’ve not heard much of her lately. But yes, let me get back to where I was. Vortigern finally getting off his arse to settle things with King Arthur once and for all. That was when she took back the citadel that was Vortigern’s base. Though in this battle, the only one other than King Arthur who was of any use in the battle was Sir Gawain who had a holy sword just like her. And so King Arthur defeated Vortigern the Usurper and reclaimed the citadel. That would be this chalk castle, Camelot of the Round Table. Camelot Castle was completed, and the reign of King Arthur began at last. Since then, ten years have gone by. There’d never been a dull moment, for both you and I. You fooled around with women while calling yourself the aid of the king, and I’d chase after a woman’s rump while performing my duties as one of the Round Table on the side. And King Arthur, she would bring and bind together a group of bickering lords and fight well against the Saxons. So like Uther the previous King had wished for, the ideal king was born. Meanwhile I find that I’ve been worrying myself over nothing. I thought there would be at least one of us who would voice his thoughts, but even in this current state of affairs there is not a knight who would press further into what a lie that was. When it came down to it, no one truly accepted King Arthur. And who can blame them? She stopped aging through the power of her holy sword. She still looked as she did when she was fifteen, the age she pulled out the sword. There were many knights who were unsettled by her, but the majority hailed their liege’s immortality as a mystery. Deep down inside, they scoffed at the notion of a child being a king for much longer and readied themselves for the power struggles that would come when the king falls. King Arthur is not a king accepted by all. She was only a temporary king, only accepted when her reign was going well. So long as she performs as a king, the unsettling parts could be ignored. Even if there were one who discovered what the king truly was, they stayed quiet while she still proved to be a capable king. And when they realized that the ideals of the ideal king they so praised won’t save everyone, they pushed all the blame on her. And look where it brought us. I imagine Mordred will raise troops against us when King Arthur returns from Rome. I’ve had enough of this foolish infighting. I’ll think of some reason to excuse myself from it all. Perhaps join up with that other fellow womanizer, Lancelot — I, no. That is the one thing I will never do. It’s fine, I’ll set off sail for some other land and spend my days there. With all that fortune I’ve amassed, I have no need to fight anymore. And you, you will be fleeing to Avalon are you not? Best to end this idle talk lest you have your head chopped off for being an opportunist. What? You want to hear what I think of King Arthur? …Yeah, there is one thing I wanted to ask you. Since she had been aware, she’d been trained by the old man and given a king’s education for the greater portion of the day. And the sole free time she had, the time she should be sleeping, she spent taking care of the needs of the horses and patrolling the village. In her life, she never personally experienced what it was she was trying to protect. Is there anything that make one shudder so much? I am a man who can cut off the head of a giant with my wit alone, but even I had to grimace when I was with her. When we were still living with my father, I couldn’t help but having to speak my mind, because of how eerie it was. “Hey you, when are you sleeping?” “Don’t worry, brother. I am asleep from dawn until the sun rises.” She smiled when she said that. Dawn until the rise of the sun. That’s not even three hours. I was dismayed, but it served as a good opportunity for me to learn that a mundane person like I will never get anything good coming from being involved with this overly-serious fool. But then the next time, I met you and learned something I did not want to know. That a magus, one who was an incubus, was teaching her how to be a king in even her dreams. “You must be kidding me. In other words, she hadn’t even been sleeping.” No one else knew though. And so looking before the end of our kingdom, I find myself thinking, “What bollocks. What was it that she wanted to do so much to have to go that far?” Garden of Avalon, Kay's story. =3 |
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Apr 21, 2015 11:56 PM
#434
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Apr 22, 2015 1:22 AM
#435
heh Fai deleted your post from the salt club, mira Guess that's not surprising . . . |
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Apr 22, 2015 1:23 AM
#436
Mickdrew said: heh Fai deleted your post from the salt club, mira Guess that's not surprising . . . I just realized that too lol |
Apr 22, 2015 1:49 AM
#437
Apr 22, 2015 8:14 AM
#438
How was Rin able to damage Caster? With just bare magic enhanced fists? Kuzuki at least had a canon reason why he could directly damage servants, but what about Rin? If "it was magic" is the reason then couldn't Kiritsugu use magic strenghtened bullets to kill servants as well by having Iri "cast magic" on them? |
Apr 22, 2015 8:27 AM
#439
Grey-Zone said: Caster was really weak in anything except magic and you cant really compare Rin with Kerry(or anyone from the 4th war).And she knows the basics of CQC.Also the classic plan of all TM mcs "SURPRISE ATTACK".How was Rin able to damage Caster? With just bare magic enhanced fists? Kuzuki at least had a canon reason why he could directly damage servants, but what about Rin? If "it was magic" is the reason then couldn't Kiritsugu use magic strenghtened bullets to kill servants as well by having Iri "cast magic" on them? |
ssjokgApr 22, 2015 8:53 AM
Apr 22, 2015 8:45 AM
#440
Apr 22, 2015 8:54 AM
#441
Gonna pretend I have Future Prediction and say this. Rin beats Caster->That's my girl. Shirou beats Archer(somewhat) and Gil->wtf humans cant beat Servants. |
Apr 22, 2015 10:04 AM
#442
chat77 said: Rin is proficient in CQC.on the other hand,though Caster is from the age of Gods..her body durability is pretty poor....So Rin was able to take the surprise element factor and combine it with this advantage to defeat Caster. You don't understand what I wanted to say... I am talking about the whole "humans cannot damage servants, because they are spirits, that's why guns don't work". If guns don't work, why would human fists work? If magical enhancement is all that is necessary, then wouldn't the master be able to touch the holy grail themselves? Or why not use the same concept for gun bullets? But Kirei and Rin insist that Servants are necessary because the grail is in "spirit form", i.e. untangable for humans. But Archer could hold Rin in sprit form, Shirou could punch Archer's hand and Rin could actually DAMAGE Caster, a SPIRIT. So what is going on here? |
Grey-ZoneApr 22, 2015 10:07 AM
Apr 22, 2015 10:16 AM
#443
Grey-Zone said: chat77 said: Rin is proficient in CQC.on the other hand,though Caster is from the age of Gods..her body durability is pretty poor....So Rin was able to take the surprise element factor and combine it with this advantage to defeat Caster. You don't understand what I wanted to say... I am talking about the whole "humans cannot damage servants, because they are spirits, that's why guns don't work". If guns don't work, why would human fists work? If magical enhancement is all that is necessary, then wouldn't the master be able to touch the holy grail themselves? Or why not use the same concept for gun bullets? But Kirei and Rin insist that Servants are necessary because the grail is in "spirit form", i.e. untangable for humans. But Archer could hold Rin in sprit form, Shirou could punch Archer's hand and Rin could actually DAMAGE Caster, a SPIRIT. So what is going on here? Humans possess souls->soul is a concept ->able to touch other souls. That is what i always thought.Maybe lore has something I forgot about,but it always made sense for me that humans can interact with Servants. And arent those rules just a lie?You know.Since the actual ritual/goal needs all 7 Servants to be killed. |
Apr 22, 2015 10:21 AM
#444
okay,so after some clarification from reliable sources....the thing is Rin used "strengthening" thats how she jumps roof and stairs and is able to harm Caster.Kiritsugu's bullets are just bullets that concentrates on the magic circuits but servants don't have any....Rin and Kuzuki are exceptions in that regard... |
Apr 22, 2015 10:40 AM
#445
Servants have circuits. It just happens to be the case that most don't make use of them, so the Origin Bullet is useless against them. And the thing about what Kirei and Rin said about cooperating with Servants because they can't interact with the Grail... Kirei is lying and Rin has no idea. Gilgamesh notes the contradiction of all of this in UBW, when he explains his evul planz to the mongrels after he got rid of the Faker. |
Apr 22, 2015 5:02 PM
#446
Othi-tan said: Gonna pretend I have Future Prediction and say this. Rin beats Caster->That's my girl. Shirou beats Archer(somewhat) and Gil->wtf humans cant beat Servants. I actually never got this bit :I A bunch of human HS were stronger than their Servant counter part in life, a la grail container. So technically, humans can beat servants.... |
The sun is a deadly laser |
Apr 22, 2015 5:05 PM
#447
Mickdrew said: heh Fai deleted your post from the salt club, mira Guess that's not surprising . . . If you think Fai went overboard with something for personal reasons, just talk to Worm about it. Everybody knows he is lenient towards Fai, but he's already said he doesn't want a grudge between the clubs. I've made a point of letting him know Fai kicked me out of the group for personal reasons - obviously without a warning - as soon as he was made an admin again. I explained that I'd only posted 2 messages in the club that would never warrant a ban and how Fai even left a very rude comment on my profile out of the blue when that happened. Worm invited me to the group after that and said he'd take away Fai's privileges if he kicked me out again. If Fai starts doing that sort of stuff with no legitimate reason, I do believe Worm will do something about it. |
Apr 22, 2015 5:07 PM
#448
FlamepriesT said: Mickdrew said: heh Fai deleted your post from the salt club, mira Guess that's not surprising . . . If you think Fai went overboard with something for personal reasons, just talk to Worm about it. Everybody knows he is lenient towards Fai, but he's already said he doesn't want a grudge between the clubs. I've made a point of letting him know Fai kicked me out of the group for personal reasons - obviously without a warning - as soon as he was made an admin again. I explained that I'd only posted 2 messages in the club that would never warrant a ban and how Fai even left a very rude comment on my profile out of the blue when that happened. Worm invited me to the group after that and said he'd take away Fai's privileges if he kicked me out again. If Fai starts doing that sort of stuff with no legitimate reason, I do believe Worm will do something about it. Idk why, but I find this adorable :l |
The sun is a deadly laser |
Apr 22, 2015 5:14 PM
#449
Mochiron. Watashi wa kirei desu. |
Apr 22, 2015 7:14 PM
#450
I was actually talking about regular bullets and bombs and stuff. Magically enhanced granade from granade launcher right into a Servant's face! Kaboom! Use particles of A-rank wolves as pellates (I bet I miss-spelled that) for the granade and you could even kill berserker! |
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