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Apr 11, 2015 12:08 PM

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Ukyo9 said:
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That is because here you can't post ANY critique without getting attacked and harassed by certain group of people. You do that and certain people will start sending you death threats and ganging up on every thread.


This is saddening, but I don't believe that retaliation will bring anything good. I see a vast amount of paranoia around.

One thing is for certain: any good opinion, regardless of how well grounded in reality it is, will be regarded as trollish behaviour if it's expressed in such a way. At least, this is how I see it and how people unaware of what is happening with the community will (or so I am inclined to believe).

We might discuss that good opinions were being disregarded even before, when the discussion was calm. But this is no excuse for what I'm seeing. People acting like that are everywhere, there's no point even discussing.

I am really sorry for acting like an improv. behaviour warrior but this really is getting out of hand.


Parnoia is warranted in the face of today's events.

We had a club where we kept most of discussions to separate from those people.
Today the said people hijacked the club and kicked its creator and all admins, so no

Paranoia is not unwarranted. It is quite clear which side(hate this term but "certain people" are very eager to group up everyone who criticizes the adaptations into an opposition) can't leave others alone.
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Well stuff like the magic compression thingy. Also caster's illusion magic thing was awesome (although cooler if she had killed him with the lights just going out so we could get something similar to a dead end.) Also gives insight to traitor mages from the middle east.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 11, 2015 12:10 PM

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ijuka said:
But let's discuss something more important now: Why did Shinji stop midair?

Gil's magic stuff

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 11, 2015 12:10 PM

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black1blade said:
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But let's discuss something more important now: Why did Shinji stop midair?

Gil's magic stuff

But nothing indicating he actually did something makes it seem like Shinji can fly.
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice."
Apr 11, 2015 12:11 PM

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ijuka said:
black1blade said:

Gil's magic stuff

But nothing indicating he actually did something makes it seem like Shinji can fly.

XD

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 11, 2015 12:11 PM

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ijuka said:
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Gil's magic stuff

But nothing indicating he actually did something makes it seem like Shinji can fly.


You mean he can't?

Shinji can fly an fight servants. And teleport.
Apr 11, 2015 12:11 PM

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Oh, Nasu totally didn't write this backstory for Medea, did he? He is so racist.

Btw, great episode.

I loved the expanded Caster backstory.
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CookingPriest said:
ijuka said:

But nothing indicating he actually did something makes it seem like Shinji can fly.


You mean he can't?

Shinji can fly an fight servants. And teleport.

Well he held that gigantic Halberd with one hand so I'm not even surprised.
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice."
Apr 11, 2015 12:12 PM

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ijuka said:
black1blade said:

Gil's magic stuff

But nothing indicating he actually did something makes it seem like Shinji can fly.


Apr 11, 2015 12:12 PM
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black1blade said:
ijuka said:
But let's discuss something more important now: Why did Shinji stop midair?

Gil's magic stuff


Since when can Gil actually do magic like this? The only possible explanation that I have is that he controlled Shinji's body in the same manner that he uses to control his swords, which makes sense once you take notice of the fact that Shinji seemed to come out of what looked like GoB.

Edit: Post above me explains it ^
Apr 11, 2015 12:12 PM

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CookingPriest said:
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>filler episode

because Nasu totally isn't participating on the production and writing the extra scenes.

Also, where is the racism ? Muslim having a harem ? or a magus being a dick on a Nasuverse work ?


The same Nasu who does not have any idea what is in episodes airing or in BDs and is surprised that something is nto there?


and ? that doesn't prevent him on writing in any way, he admitted many times that he is participating on the production of the anime giving ideas and changing things, you know, his company is on the production committee (which is the one who gives the final word), he even said on twiiter to people watch Shirobako to understand the production process.
Also, he said he writed the Illya x Rin scene, this another evidence of his influence on the anime.




Muslim who abuses women is rich and has his own personal harem and an army. Yes that is a stereotype.


stereotype =/= racism

also, the only woman he "abused" was Medea, is like saying Kirei is huge mysogynist in F/Z.
Apr 11, 2015 12:13 PM

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Caliburn220 said:
ijuka said:

But nothing indicating he actually did something makes it seem like Shinji can fly.



That makes it seem like he knocked Shinji down, I mean the part where he stops in midair. Also, stopping all of a sudden like that should give concussion etc.
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Apr 11, 2015 12:13 PM

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ijuka said:
CookingPriest said:


You mean he can't?

Shinji can fly an fight servants. And teleport.

Well he held that gigantic Halberd with one hand so I'm not even surprised.


There was clear indication that Leysritt was giving him the chance to run away (ten seconds). Come on, guys.

There's enough to complain about in this adaptation, no need to make up things to criticize.
Apr 11, 2015 12:13 PM

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Also how did Caster's master not notice the link between them was broken by RB?
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Shinji is now a sword. He's part of GoB.
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Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~

Apr 11, 2015 12:13 PM

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damastah said:
Pointing out "racism" =/= STOPPING said racism.

That's like saying because like in my post I pointed out the american anime stereotype, they have to be "elevated" into no-racism status.

Toaru Majutsu no Index ALSO discusses intricately the doctrines of the Catholic church. Lots of Roman Catohlics complained about that, but like I said, POINTING OUT=/=STOPPING IT.


Even "pointing it out" is enough to "elevate" the ones who are supposedly on the receiving end of the racism, if it's use in a judgmental way.

If it was "this scene could possibly considered as racism" then what you say is true, but what Fai said was completely judgmental and definite. He didn't even leave room for someone disagreeing (although there is no need to say it, as I cannot ever remember him leaving room for disagreement ever). Since took the morality question into his argument, my stand by my own argument as well, that he is basically victimising the so-called "poor people who are being discriminated against".

Also that is selective thinking. You only notice it if you are looking for it:

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Didn't notice any racism until i read it here
Apr 11, 2015 12:13 PM

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Zulkir said:
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Well I knew the guy was an arab but my immediate thought was "awesome I get a peak into magecraft from other areas". Also this guy is obviously a traitor against his own people because the magic association doesn't have any influence in the middle east right? It would be cool if that was one of the nasuverse motives for the western intervention in the middle east thinking about it.

I thought middle eastern official magic is already well represented by Sion?
Though her name would be much more offensive to Arabs than Caster's master representation. :3

Haven't played through melty blood yet so I wouldn't know.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 11, 2015 12:14 PM

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Jtiger987 said:
black1blade said:

Gil's magic stuff


Since when can Gil actually do magic like this? The only possible explanation that I have is that he controlled Shinji's body in the same manner that he uses to control his swords, which makes sense once you take notice of the fact that Shinji seemed to come out of what looked like GoB.


We should take this to the extreme and run with it: anything going through the GoB can be controlled in such a manner.

I'd like to see him firing some people missiles. Mix things up, keep it fresh.
Apr 11, 2015 12:14 PM

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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~

Mine's 4/5. Content isn't as good as in some, but I liked the animation and especially the soundtrack was better than the norm. Closer to 4.5 than 3.5.
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice."
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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~
2/5
BAN ME
Apr 11, 2015 12:15 PM

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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


3/5
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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


i'd give it an 8.5/10
Apr 11, 2015 12:15 PM

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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


3/5, pointless filler that could have included Medea's life as a human and would have served to humanize her.

And it wasn't good world building. It was 'caster's master is an asshole'
Apr 11, 2015 12:15 PM

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ANGRY2011 said:
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Since when can Gil actually do magic like this? The only possible explanation that I have is that he controlled Shinji's body in the same manner that he uses to control his swords, which makes sense once you take notice of the fact that Shinji seemed to come out of what looked like GoB.


We should take this to the extreme and run with it: anything going through the GoB can be controlled in such a manner.

I'd like to see him firing some people missiles. Mix things up, keep it fresh.
I thought that that can only shoot Noble Phantasms.

Unless... Shinji is in reality a noble phantasm?!?!?
"When they're alive, you can enjoy watching them struggle. When they're dead, you can enjoy tearing out their guts. Tales are things you get to enjoy twice."
Apr 11, 2015 12:15 PM

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nocorras said:
Also how did Caster's master not notice the link between them was broken by RB?


Why does he even technology tho?
Apr 11, 2015 12:16 PM

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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


4.5 out of 5.

-0.5 for what seemed to be change from daytime to dusk in like 3 seconds (or possibly just TV version darkening because of contrast between golden Gates with the Sky, which could be fixed in Blu-Ray, resulting in 5 out of 5).
Apr 11, 2015 12:17 PM

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Daily episodes pls.
Apr 11, 2015 12:18 PM

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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


3/5
Apr 11, 2015 12:18 PM

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ijuka said:
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Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~

Mine's 4/5. Content isn't as good as in some, but I liked the animation and especially the soundtrack was better than the norm. Closer to 4.5 than 3.5.
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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


3/5
Jtiger987 said:
CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


i'd give it an 8.5/10
nocorras said:
CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


3/5, pointless filler that could have included Medea's life as a human and would have served to humanize her.

And it wasn't good world building. It was 'caster's master is an asshole'
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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


4.5 out of 5.

-0.5 for what seemed to be change from daytime to dusk in like 3 seconds (or possibly just TV version darkening because of contrast between golden Gates with the Sky, which could be fixed in Blu-Ray, resulting in 5 out of 5).


Ty for the answers

Apr 11, 2015 12:18 PM
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nocorras said:
Also how did Caster's master not notice the link between them was broken by RB?

Because he's a terrible magus.
Apr 11, 2015 12:18 PM

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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


7/10 - New information was present, which is kind of interesting just because it is new, but it wasn't special. Setup for next time is the real treat - as the next portion is a very good portion.
Apr 11, 2015 12:19 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
Even "pointing it out" is enough to "elevate" the ones who are supposedly on the receiving end of the racism, if it's use in a judgmental way.

If it was "this scene could possibly considered as racism" then what you say is true, but what Fai said was completely judgmental and definite. He didn't even leave room for someone disagreeing (although there is no need to say it, as I cannot ever remember him leaving room for disagreement ever). Since took the morality question into his argument, my stand by my own argument as well, that he is basically victimising the so-called "poor people who are being discriminated against".

Also that is selective thinking. You only notice it if you are looking for it:

RockerXD said:
Didn't notice any racism until i read it here

Well I noticed that stereotyping bit even though my main focus on that episode was to see Gil's carnage. I still noticed that.

Anyway, you stand by your argument, he stands by his, and I stand by mine.
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ijuka said:
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We should take this to the extreme and run with it: anything going through the GoB can be controlled in such a manner.

I'd like to see him firing some people missiles. Mix things up, keep it fresh.
I thought that that can only shoot Noble Phantasms.

Unless... Shinji is in reality a noble phantasm?!?!?

This seems obvious :P
Now the main question is can Shirou
Apr 11, 2015 12:19 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
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Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


4.5 out of 5.

-0.5 for what seemed to be change from daytime to dusk in like 3 seconds (or possibly just TV version darkening because of contrast between golden Gates with the Sky, which could be fixed in Blu-Ray, resulting in 5 out of 5).


it's just the contrast of the GoB light, some next episode preview screens show Rin and Shirou and is still daytime.
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Am I the only one who appreciated this? Nice bit of subtle storytelling.
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It was okay, Caster's back-story was interesting but I felt like it dragged out way to long, all I cared about was seeing Kuzaki and caster meet up;
Those scenes could have easily been sped up or changed or something, there was no use to half the backstory and we weren't really supposed to care for the guy so... But i suppose they wanted to end up on beserker/illya seeing Gil, so they had the drag it out. Maybe they could have done a bit more shirou monologing before they started the backstory? idk

Ilya original scenes were great though, giving her more characterization than just an antagonist and giving a reference to fate zero/connection to Shirou.

Otherwise, the atmosphere of gil VS sella and stuff was great. I cringed seeing Sella and Liz (from kalied more specifically) like that...Ugh... But it was worth it. Got a reaction out of me for sure. >>
3.5 out 5 I guess. I wonder what 7 minutes was cut...That part confuses me the most.
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CloudStrifeFFVII said:
Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~

9/10 awesome expansion of VN stuff

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 11, 2015 12:20 PM

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Grey-Zone said:
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Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~


4.5 out of 5.

-0.5 for what seemed to be change from daytime to dusk in like 3 seconds (or possibly just TV version darkening because of contrast between golden Gates with the Sky, which could be fixed in Blu-Ray, resulting in 5 out of 5).

Looked more like an HDR effect to me actually.
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ANGRY2011 said:
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Since when can Gil actually do magic like this? The only possible explanation that I have is that he controlled Shinji's body in the same manner that he uses to control his swords, which makes sense once you take notice of the fact that Shinji seemed to come out of what looked like GoB.


We should take this to the extreme and run with it: anything going through the GoB can be controlled in such a manner.

I'd like to see him firing some people missiles. Mix things up, keep it fresh.




He can just shoot wine at people or something. Like a Pandaren Brewmaster.
Apr 11, 2015 12:21 PM

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I agree, they dragged too long on Caster's backstory.
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Jtiger987 said:
ANGRY2011 said:


We should take this to the extreme and run with it: anything going through the GoB can be controlled in such a manner.

I'd like to see him firing some people missiles. Mix things up, keep it fresh.




He can just shoot wine at people or something. Like a Pandaren Brewmaster.


Can he do Primal Split?
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So far this is a 10/10 season for me. The only flaw (and a pretty big one which I hope changes) is Shirou. His personality irks and annoys me way too much. For that reason F/Z is better, because Kiritsugu pretty much made the show, while Shirou is ruining this one.
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Can a VN reader give me a rating for this episode, that isn't CookingPriest!~
3.5 to 4/5
Apr 11, 2015 12:22 PM

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The stuff about the homunculi was interesting too. It implies what the fuck they are which is more than zero.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Apr 11, 2015 12:23 PM
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Things that were cut from the complete version, by the guy from Beast Lair:
Apr 11, 2015 12:24 PM

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Caliburn220 said:


Am I the only one who appreciated this? Nice bit of subtle storytelling.


You aren't - I found that part particularly good.
Apr 11, 2015 12:24 PM
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Zulkir said:
ijuka said:
I thought that that can only shoot Noble Phantasms.

Unless... Shinji is in reality a noble phantasm?!?!?

This seems obvious :P
Now the main question is can Shirou


The real question is whether




ChickenFry said:

Can he do Primal Split?


Apr 11, 2015 12:25 PM

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HandsomeMan said:
So far this is a 10/10 season for me. The only flaw (and a pretty big one which I hope changes) is Shirou. His personality irks and annoys me way too much. For that reason F/Z is better, because Kiritsugu pretty much made the show, while Shirou is ruining this one.

Why must you help the salty people!? ;_;

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
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I agree, they dragged too long on Caster's backstory.


Its not even her backstory. Most of backstory was cut. 99% of episode i sjust filler.
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