Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 11 Discussion

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you are just another hypocrite just like most characters in this show. You bash this character but doesn't realize the one you are defending is just also a big cunt.

Slaine is an idiotic fool, he does stupid shit all throughout the show, but at least he's not a gary stu with zero interesting trait

Yet Inaho isn't a Gary Stu/Tzu. He's not perfect and it's been pointed out countless times he has some serious flaws of his own. Including each one that lead him being shot in the eye.

Does his flaws stop him from getting the job done, or is it that Inaho is the one that that solve any problem thus far.

Those flaws are just superficial, in fact, most battles since the beginning has been won thanks to his almighty self. Inaho knows this, Inaho knows that, Inaho can beat enemies that no one can, using a shitty robot.

Mar 21, 2015 7:03 PM

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So the question remains, who will Seylum marry next?

^This. hhahahah made me laugh so hard.

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Mar 21, 2015 7:05 PM

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If that's all there is too it why are people still talking about it 10+ episodes later, clearly the matter isn't done yet. Yes Slaine did fire at inaho first, but why? Through provocation. Imo, it was the writers awful way of pitting them against each other to become enemies.

you brought it up

I'm pretty certain that Dark light fellow did, I'm simply trying to sum it up and end it so the show can move on, but it's still being dragged up.

Mar 21, 2015 7:06 PM

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Yet Inaho isn't a Gary Stu/Tzu. He's not perfect and it's been pointed out countless times he has some serious flaws of his own. Including each one that lead him being shot in the eye.

Does his flaws stop him from getting the job done, or is it that Inaho is the one that that solve any problem thus far.

Those flaws are just superficial, in fact, most battles since the beginning has been won thanks to his almighty self. Inaho knows this, Inaho knows that, Inaho can beat enemies that no one can, using a shitty robot.

Your logic makes no sense, flaws in a character are not supposed to incapacitate aforementioned character from completing a task.If that were the case so many literature pieces, and animes would have no plot progress in general.

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I already answered in my previous post. I'm not going to reiterate myself because people like you have reading comprehension problems or simply refuse to actually read what was already stated. Slaine shooting first has nothing to do with it if Inaho provoked it and basically deserved to get shot. You reap what you sow. Hell, even Slaine is learning this.

That's not how the courts would see it.

That's irrelevant in this context because they are at war. Slaine's action was over the top because it's like training a gun at someone for bullying you. Still, you can't deny that the bully didn't deserve some kind of reprimand for what they said. In this case it was Inaho letting Slaine think Asseylum was just being exploited by Terrans after Slaine had proven he was an ally. Nobody is arguing what Slaine did was stupid but Inaho's words were asinine and definitely deserving of some kind of negative reaction from Slaine.

Mar 21, 2015 7:14 PM

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That's not how the courts would see it.

That's irrelevant in this context because they are at war. Slaine's action was over the top because it's like training a gun at someone for bullying you. Still, you can't deny that the bully didn't deserve some kind of reprimand for what they said. In this case it was Inaho letting Slaine think Asseylum was just being exploited by Terrans after Slaine had proven he was an ally. Nobody is arguing what Slaine did was stupid but Inaho's words were asinine and definitely deserving of some kind of negative reaction from Slaine.

Just because he's autustic doesn't mean he deserved to be shot because he said something that could be misundrestood.

Mar 21, 2015 7:15 PM

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Your logic makes no sense, flaws in a character are not supposed to incapacitate aforementioned character from completing a task.If that were the case so many literature pieces, and animes would have no plot progress in general.

I'm not saying flaws should not stop him from getting the jobs done. Flaws are there to make the characters more relatable, more realistic. How can you see someone that can do anything while the rest of the cast just stand there while being useless as a realistic character.

A character should be either interesting, or make you sympathize with him/her. Inaho is none of that. He's just a piece of brick that help teenagers self-insert themselves into the show

Mar 21, 2015 7:20 PM

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Just because he's autustic doesn't mean he deserved to be shot because he said something that could be misundrestood.

Sorry, that's an excuse I don't buy anymore. I used to give Inaho a pass for the same reason. "Oh, he's autistic and lacks social skills. He didn't understand the weight of what he said to Slaine and what Slaine has been going through to keep Hime safe". No, Inaho has proven to be much more calculating and his dealings with Mazuurek prove that. We all know Inaho is not an idiot so it comes down to him simply being a jerk at the one point in time which turned out very badly for Slaine. So again, it is Inaho's fault for lacking social skills (at the time) but Inaho has grown and come a logn way since.

Also, as for getting shot, all is fair in love and war. Inaho knew the risks when he signed up to be a soldier. You reap what you sow. He deserved it.

Mar 21, 2015 7:21 PM

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MetaKite said:

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Just because he's autustic doesn't mean he deserved to be shot because he said something that could be misundrestood.

Sorry, that's an excuse I don't buy anymore. I used to give Inaho a pass for the same reason. "Oh, he's autistic and lacks social skills. He didn't understand the weight of what he said to Slaine and what Slaine has been going through to keep Hime safe". No, Inaho has proven to be much more calculating and his dealings with Mazzurek prove that. We all know Inaho is not an idiot so it comes down to him simply being a jerk at the one point in time which turned out very badly for Slaine. So again, it is Inaho's fault for lacking social skills (at the time) but Inaho has grown and come a logn way since.

Also, as for getting shot, all is fair in love and war. Inaho knew the risks when he signed up to be a soldier. You reap what you sow. He deserved it.

That was after he got his eye.

And he didn't sign up, he was conscripted.

Mar 21, 2015 7:24 PM

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Sorry, that's an excuse I don't buy anymore. I used to give Inaho a pass for the same reason. "Oh, he's autistic and lacks social skills. He didn't understand the weight of what he said to Slaine and what Slaine has been going through to keep Hime safe". No, Inaho has proven to be much more calculating and his dealings with Mazzurek prove that. We all know Inaho is not an idiot so it comes down to him simply being a jerk at the one point in time which turned out very badly for Slaine. So again, it is Inaho's fault for lacking social skills (at the time) but Inaho has grown and come a logn way since.

Also, as for getting shot, all is fair in love and war. Inaho knew the risks when he signed up to be a soldier. You reap what you sow. He deserved it.

That was after he got his eye.

And he didn't sign up, he was conscripted.

That argument of "that's after he got his eye" doesn't do Inaho any favors. It just makes him look even more cold/unfeeling and at fault when episode 7 went down since it highlights he had character development almost because he got shot in the eye. You're right, Yuuki made him a soldier but he knew the risks just the same.

Mar 21, 2015 7:26 PM

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That was after he got his eye.

And he didn't sign up, he was conscripted.

That argument of "that's after he got his eye" doesn't do Inaho any favors. It just makes him look even more cold/unfeeling and at fault when episode 7 went down since it highlights he had character development almost because he got shot in the eye. You're right, Yuuki made him a soldier but he knew the risks just the same.

Except Slaine didn't shoot him because he was an enemy. He shot Inaho because he was jealous. Because his precious Hime was so worried with Inaho in her supposedly final moments that she didn't show Slaine her smile or even noticed he was there. Hell even the exchange last episode duirng the gunfight proves that Slaine shooting Inaho at the end of season one was nothing but madness and jealousy.

Try to justify it all you want. Doesn't change the truth.

Mar 21, 2015 7:27 PM

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Well if he knew the risks then being such a calculating person perhaps he would have said something else.

Mar 21, 2015 7:31 PM

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Except Slaine didn't shoot him because he was an enemy. He shot Inaho because he was jealous. Because his precious Hime was so worried with Inaho in her supposedly final moments that she didn't show Slaine her smile or even noticed he was there. Hell even the exchange last episode duirng the gunfight proves that Slaine shooting Inaho at the end of season one was nothing but madness and jealousy.

Try to justify it all you want. Doesn't change the truth.

Yeah so what? The reasons of why Slaine shot Inaho at that point don't matter because Inaho ahd already declared Slaine his enemy by then. Slaine shot Inaho out of jealousy and spite (the NTR was too strong) but regardless of if the princess had been there or not, Slaine still would have tried to kill Inaho for being "Orange". That's the very reason he helped Saazbuam (you know when Slaine stupidly followed his gut to side against "Orange" even though it meant helping the guy that swore to shoot Asseylum... and did).

I don't have to justify anything. The facts are all there in plain sight. You need to stop with your fanfiction of Inaho being incapable of doing anything wrong. This was all his fault.

Mar 21, 2015 7:33 PM

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MetaKite said:

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Except Slaine didn't shoot him because he was an enemy. He shot Inaho because he was jealous. Because his precious Hime was so worried with Inaho in her supposedly final moments that she didn't show Slaine her smile or even noticed he was there. Hell even the exchange last episode duirng the gunfight proves that Slaine shooting Inaho at the end of season one was nothing but madness and jealousy.

Try to justify it all you want. Doesn't change the truth.

Yeah so what? The reasons of why Slaine shot Inaho at that point don't matter because Inaho ahd already declared Slaine his enemy by then. Slaine shot Inaho out of jealousy and spite (the NTR was too strong) but regardless of if the princess had been there or not, Slaine still would have tried to kill Inaho for being "Orange". That's the very reason he helped Saazbuam (you know when Slaine stupidly followed his gut to side against "Orange" even though it meant helping the guy that swore to shoot Asseylum... and did).

I don't have to justify anything. The facts are all there in plain sight. You need to stop with your fanfiction of Inaho being incapable of doing anything wrong. This was all his fault.

He wouldn't have tried to kill Inaho if SLaine had not stupidly saved Sazbaum and gotten the princess shot. Since the princess could have cleared things up between them. But Slaine destroyed that chance himself. Inaho has made mistakes. Like not putting a bullet through Slaine's cockpit. If he'd done that, Cruhteo would be alive, The princess would not have beein in a coma for 19 months and the war would have ended ages ago.

You are the one who is living in the fanfiction where Slaine is blameless when he isn't.

Mar 21, 2015 7:35 PM

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Well if he knew the risks then being such a calculating person perhaps he would have said something else.

Now you are speaking my language! It's just baffling because Inaho made a huge error which went against the grain of who he is. Which comes back to just how the show just has bad writing and does create situations when people act against their personality so there will be conflict. In the end, it just made Inaho look like he was being an unreasonable jerk to Slaine when the comment really was unreasonable. I feel like the creators wanted to humanize Inaho as not being perfect/calculating but wanted to spark a rivalry between them more. So Inaho just says something completely out of whack to give Slaine a reason to shoot and lose (because Slaine is the series' loser). I guess it's OK for entertainment purposes but Inaho's fans need to get a grip and see that he did screw that encounter up.

^ LOL DarkLight, is still in Lalaland.

Mar 21, 2015 7:37 PM

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MetaKite said:

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Well if he knew the risks then being such a calculating person perhaps he would have said something else.

Now you are speaking my language! It's just baffling because Inaho made a huge error which went against the grain of who he is. Which comes back to just how the show just has bad writing and does create situations when people act against their personality so there will be conflict. In the end, it just made Inaho look like he was being an unreasonable jerk to Slaine when the comment really was unreasonable. I feel like the creators wanted to humanize Inaho as not being perfect/calculating but wanted to spark a rivalry between them more. So Inaho just says something completely out of whack to give Slaine a reason to shoot and lose (because Slaine is the series' loser). I guess it's OK for entertainment purposes but Inaho's fans need to get a grip and see that he did screw that encounter up.

^ LOL DarkLight, is still in Lalaland.

You don't deny anything I said and instead resort to mockery. Typical of Slaine zealot defenders.

Mar 21, 2015 7:38 PM

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Now you are speaking my language! It's just baffling because Inaho made a huge error which went against the grain of who he is. Which comes back to just how the show just has bad writing and does create situations when people act against their personality so there will be conflict. In the end, it just made Inaho look like he was being an unreasonable jerk to Slaine when the comment really was unreasonable. I feel like the creators wanted to humanize Inaho as not being perfect/calculating but wanted to spark a rivalry between them more. So Inaho just says something completely out of whack to give Slaine a reason to shoot and lose (because Slaine is the series' loser). I guess it's OK for entertainment purposes but Inaho's fans need to get a grip and see that he did screw that encounter up.

^ LOL DarkLight, is still in Lalaland.

You don't deny anything I said and instead resort to mockery. Typical of Slaine zealot defenders.

#slainedidnothingwrong

Mar 21, 2015 7:39 PM

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You don't deny anything I said and instead resort to mockery. Typical of Slaine zealot defenders.

#slainedidnothingwrong

The most retarded hashtag in existence right there

Mar 21, 2015 7:39 PM

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Your logic makes no sense, flaws in a character are not supposed to incapacitate aforementioned character from completing a task.If that were the case so many literature pieces, and animes would have no plot progress in general.

I'm not saying flaws should not stop him from getting the jobs done. Flaws are there to make the characters more relatable, more realistic. How can you see someone that can do anything while the rest of the cast just stand there while being useless as a realistic character.

A character should be either interesting, or make you sympathize with him/her. Inaho is none of that. He's just a piece of brick that help teenagers self-insert themselves into the show

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CynicofSinope said:

Your logic makes no sense, flaws in a character are not supposed to incapacitate aforementioned character from completing a task.If that were the case so many literature pieces, and animes would have no plot progress in general.

I'm not saying flaws should not stop him from getting the jobs done. Flaws are there to make the characters more relatable, more realistic. How can you see someone that can do anything while the rest of the cast just stand there while being useless as a realistic character.

A character should be either interesting, or make you sympathize with him/her. Inaho is none of that. He's just a piece of brick that help teenagers self-insert themselves into the show

Didn't you say: "Does his flaws stop him from getting the job done, or is it that Inaho is the one that that solve any problem thus far."

That basically supports my the position taken in my retort. Nonetheless, digressing from that, your statement is based on your purely subjective opinion. Contrary to your opinion, which I guess you regard as popular opinion, there is no law mandating that a character has to be interesting or make you sympathize with them.

The main issue with your logic, is that it is highly subjective, who is to say that certain people do not find a calculating, objective character more interesting that your run-of-the-mill gundam, generic mecha anime, character that is always crying about his "suffering", and making rash, emotionally-charged, uneducated decisions. I am completely confused about when this type of "character" became the standard mecha animes had to strictly adhere to.

It is so interesting because the main arguments about Inaho as a character have been either: "He is too emotionless", or "He needs to struggle more [insert comparison to another character acting like a pre-teen]."

I'm very tempted to say that unless you are some, emotionally unstable, uneducated, pre-teen/teenager, then the overtly emotionally-charged generic mecha main character will at some point become tiresome.

Finally, saying: "He's[Inaho] just a piece of brick that help teenagers self-insert themselves into the show." Directly conflicts with what you said a mere one line before. If Inaho has no flaws (as you are asserting), then he fulfills your subjective definition of an uninteresting and unrelatable character, then how can he be present just to have teen viewers "insert themselves into the show"? Doe that not require him to be relatable at some leve? I digress.

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Mar 21, 2015 7:41 PM

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Now you are speaking my language! It's just baffling because Inaho made a huge error which went against the grain of who he is. Which comes back to just how the show just has bad writing and does create situations when people act against their personality so there will be conflict. In the end, it just made Inaho look like he was being an unreasonable jerk to Slaine when the comment really was unreasonable. I feel like the creators wanted to humanize Inaho as not being perfect/calculating but wanted to spark a rivalry between them more. So Inaho just says something completely out of whack to give Slaine a reason to shoot and lose (because Slaine is the series' loser). I guess it's OK for entertainment purposes but Inaho's fans need to get a grip and see that he did screw that encounter up.

^ LOL DarkLight, is still in Lalaland.

You don't deny anything I said and instead resort to mockery. Typical of Slaine zealot defenders.

LOL Of course you resort to the same mindless argument you have been spewing. I never ONCE said Slaine is blameless. I am saying Inaho is more at fault where as you are saying it's 100% Slaine's fault. Learn to read, my friend. You can check the quotes as I said Slaine's actions were over the top and stupid.

Oh but then you didn't even READ what I said? Shut up, DarkLight. Stop watsing my time.

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#slainedidnothingwrong

The most retarded hashtag in existence right there

You're just jealous because your side doesn't have a cool hashtag that totally comes in handy all the time.

Mar 21, 2015 7:42 PM

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You don't deny anything I said and instead resort to mockery. Typical of Slaine zealot defenders.

#slainedidnothingwrong

I didn't know Dark's lack of reading skills was contagious. I am sorry for you, fst.

Mar 21, 2015 7:43 PM

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Darklight0303 said:

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#slainedidnothingwrong

The most retarded hashtag in existence right there

Hahaha, that hash tag is still trending here?
Might as well give a link to the Slaine apologist tumblr, here you go guys: http://slaineapologist.tumblr.com/

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Mar 21, 2015 7:45 PM

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The most retarded hashtag in existence right there

You're just jealous because your side doesn't have a cool hashtag that totally comes in handy all the time.

Not in the least. I rather not have an easy way to show how incredibly delusional and out of touch with reality a person can be.

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CynicofSinope said:

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The most retarded hashtag in existence right there

Hahaha, that hash tag is still trending here?
Might as well give a link to the Slaine apologist tumblr, here you go guys: http://slaineapologist.tumblr.com/

Ugh I see that crap all over the Aldnoah tag. It's the worst.

Mar 21, 2015 7:48 PM

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I love it when people can't counter your points so they just change the topic altogether if they don't want to devolve to name calling. fst, you still hanging there? Are you OK? Post if you're OK.

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MetaKite said:

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You don't deny anything I said and instead resort to mockery. Typical of Slaine zealot defenders.

LOL Of course you resort to the same mindless argument you have been spewing. I never ONCE said Slaine is blameless. I am saying Inaho is more at fault where as you are saying it's 100% Slaine's fault. Learn to read, my friend. You can check the quotes as I said Slaine's actions were over the top and stupid.

Oh but then you didn't even READ what I said? Shut up, DarkLight. Stop watsing my time.

All Slaine had to do was answer the question. That was ALL it would have taken to difuse the situation. He didn't Therefore it IS 100% Slaine's fault. It's his fault that Cruhteo died and it's his fault that Sazbaum was not defeated at the end of season 1, it's his fault that the princess got shot and it's his fault that the war has continued for 19 months without any real progress which in turn cost both sides.

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I love it when people can't counter your points so they just change the topic altogether if they don't want to devolve to name calling. fst, you still hanging there? Are you OK? Post if you're OK.

Pot calling the kettle black, buddy. you're no better and you bloody know it.

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I love it when people can't counter your points so they just change the topic altogether if they don't want to devolve to name calling. fst, you still hanging there? Are you OK? Post if you're OK.

Pot calling the kettle black, buddy. you're no better and you bloody know it.

*Braaat!!* *Braaaat!!*

Shots fired! Take cover!

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Mar 21, 2015 7:54 PM

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Aselyum was much much prettier when she was a brunette.....

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MetaKite said:
I love it when people can't counter your points so they just change the topic altogether if they don't want to devolve to name calling. fst, you still hanging there? Are you OK? Post if you're OK.

Pot calling the kettle black, buddy. you're no better and you bloody know it.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me after I painstakingly broadcasted your attempt to change the topic we were discussing? How cute. I told you to stop wasting my time with your fanfiction.

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Aselyum was much much prettier when she was a brunette.....

I actually agree. She definitely had more charm in that look.

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Pot calling the kettle black, buddy. you're no better and you bloody know it.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me after I painstakingly broadcasted your attempt to change the topic we were discussing? How cute. I told you to stop wasting my time with your fanfiction.

"Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me"..........

What? Ok guy.........

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Pot calling the kettle black, buddy. you're no better and you bloody know it.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me after I painstakingly broadcasted your attempt to change the topic we were discussing? How cute. I told you to stop wasting my time with your fanfiction.

The only fanfiction around here is yours but then you'll never admit that. ALso way to go continuing to prove yourself a hypocrite. You make it so easy for me it's not even funny. Be more of a challenge why don't you.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me after I painstakingly broadcasted your attempt to change the topic we were discussing? How cute. I told you to stop wasting my time with your fanfiction.

"Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me"..........

What? Ok guy.........

Pot calling the kettle black. DUH! It's funny watching your reactions when you are treated the exact same way you have been treating posters you disagree with. I've already called DarkLight for being an ass in other threads. I just wanted to see him admit he is an ass (since he just keeps spewing crap about the Slaine/Inaho topic at hand). You can't read between the lines either it seems.

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I think this might have been the best of the series so far! Looking forward to the season finale and hoping its gonna get a third season! :)

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This episode was really good, as opposed to 90% of the season. The problem is next episode will be a complete shitshow, at least if you listen to MAL people

That being said, there are a few ways I think this will go down, that aren't complete shit:

1) no wedding crashing; she marries Count Cruhteo, and for all the shippers--gg no re

2) The Orbital Knights enter civil war, some being loyalists others not, since circumstances changed so drastically

3) Loyalists ally themselves to the Terrans for the time being

4) Slaine is forced into exile

Of course, this assumes things happen like they should, and not in some bullshit fashion.

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SakurasouBusters said:
I think this might have been the best of the series so far! Looking forward to the season finale and hoping its gonna get a third season! :)

Yeah, a third season is necessary now. If they end it next episode, it will be worse than Absolute Duo

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SakurasouBusters said:
I think this might have been the best of the series so far! Looking forward to the season finale and hoping its gonna get a third season! :)

Yeah, a third season is necessary now. If they end it next episode, it will be worse than Absolute Duo

HOnestly I want to hope there's a third season because there's way too much left unexplored and with only one episode left there's really no good way to end this.

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MetaKite said:

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"Did you finally decide to condescend to me and patronize me with your last 2 posts to finally reply to me"..........

What? Ok guy.........

Pot calling the kettle black. DUH! It's funny watching your reactions when you are treated the exact same way you have been treating posters you disagree with. I've already called DarkLight for being an ass in other threads. I just wanted to see him admit he is an ass (since he just keeps spewing crap about the Slaine/Inaho topic at hand). You can't read between the lines either it seems.

Actually it's none of that. For future reference, if you are trying to make a point, make sure you utilize good sentence structure, and know the definitions of the words you are using.

For example, Patronize, as defined by the Oxford dictionary, means,
"(often as adjective patronizing) Treat with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority."
Look, I even provided a reference link for you: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/patronize

In this context, referencing previous posts from Darklight to you, none of them were patronizing in any manner whatsoever. Why does all of this matter? Because as I previously stated, if you are trying to make a point and look like an educated, superior being, you should know what the definitions and contextual uses of the "big words" (Look, I threw in a buzzword for you) you use are. In the event you use words, that are completely out of place, you run the risk of looking like the average, uneducated goon, who has an online thesaurus open, trying to look smart.

CynicofSinopeMar 21, 2015 8:17 PM

If you have strong blood put into needle and inject into someone else and you will be able to control them.

Mar 21, 2015 8:16 PM

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CynicofSinope said:

The main issue with your logic, is that it is highly subjective, who is to say that certain people do not find a calculating, objective character more interesting that your run-of-the-mill gundam, generic mecha anime, character that is always crying about his "suffering", and making rash, emotionally-charged, uneducated decisions. I am completely confused about when this type of "character" became the standard mecha animes had to strictly adhere to.

It is so interesting because the main arguments about Inaho as a character have been either: "He is too emotionless", or "He needs to struggle more [insert comparison to another character acting like a pre-teen]."

I'm very tempted to say that unless you are some, emotionally unstable, uneducated, pre-teen/teenager, then the overtly emotionally-charged generic mecha main character will at some point become tiresome.

Finally, saying: "He's[Inaho] just a piece of brick that help teenagers self-insert themselves into the show." Directly conflicts with what you said a mere one line before. If Inaho has no flaws (as you are asserting), then he fulfills your subjective definition of an uninteresting and unrelatable character, then how can he be present just to have teen viewers "insert themselves into the show"? Doe that not require him to be relatable at some leve? I digress.

Just by being a calculating character doesn't make him good.

I like several calculating characters (Light, LuLu, Toua Tokuchi, Johann Liebert...), but they are interesting ones. They have interesting personality, charisma, and on top of that, they do show their emotion. Meanwhile, Inaho is just an empty shell.

Well, of course, there are still good emotionless character, but these characters require a different approach to make the viewers like them. Again, Inaho is no such character

Also, why can teenagers like to self-insert to him, because lots of teenagers don't care about whether a character is interesting or relatable, all they care about is how they can fantasize about being someone that can do everything.

Hoshino_MariaMar 21, 2015 8:28 PM

Mar 21, 2015 8:20 PM

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How come every thread on AZ devovles into Slaine vs Inaho?

They're both flawed and make crucial mistakes at times

I personally like Slaine more though

stickmansamMar 21, 2015 8:30 PM

Mar 21, 2015 8:28 PM

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Kuro_Kishi said:

CynicofSinope said:

The main issue with your logic, is that it is highly subjective, who is to say that certain people do not find a calculating, objective character more interesting that your run-of-the-mill gundam, generic mecha anime, character that is always crying about his "suffering", and making rash, emotionally-charged, uneducated decisions. I am completely confused about when this type of "character" became the standard mecha animes had to strictly adhere to.

It is so interesting because the main arguments about Inaho as a character have been either: "He is too emotionless", or "He needs to struggle more [insert comparison to another character acting like a pre-teen]."

I'm very tempted to say that unless you are some, emotionally unstable, uneducated, pre-teen/teenager, then the overtly emotionally-charged generic mecha main character will at some point become tiresome.

Finally, saying: "He's[Inaho] just a piece of brick that help teenagers self-insert themselves into the show." Directly conflicts with what you said a mere one line before. If Inaho has no flaws (as you are asserting), then he fulfills your subjective definition of an uninteresting and unrelatable character, then how can he be present just to have teen viewers "insert themselves into the show"? Doe that not require him to be relatable at some leve? I digress.

Just by being a calculating character doesn't make him good.

I like several calculating characters (Light, LuLu, Toua Tokuchi,...), but they are interesting ones. They have interesting personality, charisma, and on top of that, they do show their emotion. Meanwhile, Inaho is just an empty shell.

Well, of course, there are still good emotionless character, but these characters require a different approach to make the viewers like them. Again, Inaho is no such character

Also, why can teenagers like to self-insert to him, because lots of teenagers don't care about whether a character is interesting or relatable, all they care about is how they can fantasize about being someone that can do everything.

You completely missed my point, your arguments are all subjective and are not the standard.

First off, I can assure that there are possibly some teenagers who as you said, only want to fantasize about being a person who can do everything, but i highly doubt, there are "lots". If that were the case Gundam would have fallen flat on its face. There exists a percentage of teenagers who prefer emotionally-charges characters who make impulsive decisions. Unless you are a teenager yourself, which I highly doubt, you can't make such an assertion that Inaho, exists as a main character for teens to fantasize about being.

Secondly, Inaho has throughout this season shown emotion. So the argument that he is an "empty shell" has no basis or factual standing.

Finally, just by having flaws, emotions, and in general, traits you prefer, does not make any character good/interesting.

If you have strong blood put into needle and inject into someone else and you will be able to control them.

Mar 21, 2015 8:40 PM

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CynicofSinope said:

You completely missed my point, your arguments are all subjective and are not the standard.

First off, I can assure that there are possibly some teenagers who as you said, only want to fantasize about being a person who can do everything, but i highly doubt, there are "lots". If that were the case Gundam would have fallen flat on its face. There exists a percentage of teenagers who prefer emotionally-charges characters who make impulsive decisions. Unless you are a teenager yourself, which I highly doubt, you can't make such an assertion that Inaho, exists as a main character for teens to fantasize about being.

Secondly, Inaho has throughout this season shown emotion. So the argument that he is an "empty shell" has no basis or factual standing.

Finally, just by having flaws, emotions, and in general, traits you prefer, does not make any character good/interesting.

Well, I guess smiling a few times does mean that he did show emotion

Having flaws, emotions,and interesting traits doesn't make a good character, but good characters usually require these.

A good character all comes down to how the show portray him/her. What kind back story did they have, what reasons that force them to progress, what goals to they strive to complete, how is their personality, does it fit their characters, does it fit the story... There are tons of things that contribute to make a good characters.

I am not confident to the point to say that all the characters I like are good ones . But I can assure you, Inaho is not a good character. He's a poorly created protagonist from the beginning.

About the Gundam part, I can't say much because I do not watch Gundam, I guess teens just wanna see some giants robot fighting each others

Mar 21, 2015 8:46 PM

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stickmansam said:
How come every thread on AZ devovles into Slaine vs Inaho?

They're both flawed and make crucial mistakes at times

I personally like Slaine more though

I'd like to think everyone understands that, and the fight in the last page is due other things.

Like why is acceptable than Inaho shot down Slaine back in episode 7 of cour 1. I have no doubt Inaho acted the right way, being wary of Slaine's intentions, after all Martians were the ones than staged the assassination attempt and had he had no reasons to lower his guard regardless Slaine was fighting as ally, especially once he confirmed to know than the princess wasn't dead... that fact alone would have raised red alarms for anyone who would have been in Inaho's position.

It is true than Slaine helped to defeat Femieanne and some users might think that reason was enough to trust Slaine, but this is war and having a single guy defecting from the winner side to come to the princess side(that was supposed to be dead) surely seems suspicious, not to mention, he could have been helping Terrans just to make sure the princess was aboard and kill her by himself. If Femieanne would have sunk the ship there could be a chance of her surviving or he wouldn't be able to confirm her death. Then he refuses to answer simple questions, points the gun to Inaho and fires...

If Slaine wouldn't have fired first, I'd have agreed than it was Inaho's fault that brought all that misfortune seen in the following episodes, however, I agree with the guy who said than Inaho's only mistake there was that he didn't shoot the pilot.

Mar 21, 2015 8:55 PM

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stickmansam said:
How come every thread on AZ devovles into Slaine vs Inaho?

They're both flawed and make crucial mistakes at times

I personally like Slaine more though

To answer your question, because everyone knows this anime isn't too good.

Everyone knows that outside the main characters, the other remaining characters have little to no background/development. For example Lt. Marito has been Missing in Action for a majority of this season and only showed up a couple of episodes back. We have Count Crutheo's son showing up in the second to last episode of this season, because this anime is following the cour structure, and there is more than enough evidence that the writers are skimping out on small details that people have been picking up, like the initial debate over whether "space winds: were an actual scientific concept or not.

As human beings tend to naturally do, they look for things to disagree on. With all the aforementioned components concerning this series the only detailed facet of this anime, are the main characters, Inaho, Slaine, and Asseylum.

Completely negating Asseylum, who is your general, "peace-loving" princess, Inaho and Saline represent two character concepts, which have been highly debated by their supporters. Slaine is your average, "standard", overly-emotional, impulsive, mecha anime character that has been present in a variety of mecha animes(*cough*, Gundam,*cough*). Inaho is a calculating, emotionless(in Season 1, not the case in Season 1), "autistic"-type, intelligent, character who you don't tend to see very much in anime in general, let alone in Mecha anime, because they are not as "easy" for the audience to relate(apparently).

I highly doubt that you want me to go into greater detail, about the representations behind Inaho and Slaine as character concepts, but in conclusion, generally I think everyone is in relative agreement on the point that this anime is not making the list of all time best shows, anytime soon.

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Mar 21, 2015 8:56 PM

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MetaKite said:

Kuro_Kishi said:

you are just another hypocrite just like most characters in this show. You bash this character but doesn't realize the one you are defending is just also a big cunt.

Slaine is an idiotic fool, he does stupid shit all throughout the show, but at least he's not a gary stu with zero interesting trait

Yet Inaho isn't a Gary Stu/Tzu. He's not perfect and it's been pointed out countless times he has some serious flaws of his own. Including each one that lead him being shot in the eye.

>People who think Inaho isn't a Gary Stu... His eye is a "limitation" but he still solves every problem instantly with ease...

Mar 21, 2015 9:26 PM

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I'm not sure why people continue to define Inaho as Gary Stu... Wikipedia says the negative connotation of that word is: "... it is judged as poorly developed character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be interesting".

I don't see how Inaho is too perfect, he is lacking social skills, he is not skilled in combat outside the Kataphract. The only outstanding skills he has are his intelligence and his pilot skills, which aren't always as sharp as he might want, and we can see him failing to achieve something alone and even his Kataphract being heavy damaged while fighting in several episodes.

If he would kill everyone without team work, if he would always return unscathed from battle, if he would be socially adept, if he wouldn't have been NTR'ed XD... I'd have given a thought about this being used correctly, but I don't see why he is being too perfect if the only "perfect" quality he has is his brain.

Mar 21, 2015 9:31 PM

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