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Dec 9, 2014 3:41 PM
#701
za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary |
TokoyaDec 9, 2014 3:48 PM
Dec 9, 2014 4:22 PM
#702
Tokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. |
Dec 9, 2014 4:37 PM
#703
Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. |
Dec 9, 2014 5:12 PM
#704
| Noooooooooooooo Tatsumi is still alive in the novel and manga. |
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Dec 9, 2014 5:34 PM
#705
| Oh god why, how the fuck can u fuck up an amazing story so much?!? I seriously dont get it, just follow the manga how hard can it be. It would have gotten a 2nd season due to its popularity so just follow the goddamn manga is it that hard!? -.- |
Dec 9, 2014 5:49 PM
#706
Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation |
TokoyaDec 9, 2014 5:59 PM
Dec 9, 2014 5:55 PM
#707
Mineur said: Oh god why, how the fuck can u fuck up an amazing story so much?!? I seriously dont get it, just follow the manga how hard can it be. It would have gotten a 2nd season due to its popularity so just follow the goddamn manga is it that hard!? -.- So, in which chapter shall i start? considering that i'm watching the anime that will finish in a week. |
Dec 9, 2014 5:56 PM
#708
Mineur said: Oh god why, how the fuck can u fuck up an amazing story so much?!? I seriously dont get it, just follow the manga how hard can it be. It would have gotten a 2nd season due to its popularity so just follow the goddamn manga is it that hard!? -.- +1 Damn, I'm speechless though... |
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Dec 9, 2014 6:14 PM
#710
ShingekiMZ said: Mineur said: Oh god why, how the fuck can u fuck up an amazing story so much?!? I seriously dont get it, just follow the manga how hard can it be. It would have gotten a 2nd season due to its popularity so just follow the goddamn manga is it that hard!? -.- +1 Damn, I'm speechless though... LOL you guys might wanna do some research. |
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Dec 9, 2014 6:37 PM
#711
| You know what, despite all the problems I have with this anime whilst not reading the manga, at least the hyped was maintained throughout most of this episode. I got stupid over the top action and I loved it. |
Dec 9, 2014 6:49 PM
#712
| Kill the Logic Kill the Quality Kill the Common Sense |
Dec 9, 2014 7:24 PM
#713
Tokoya said: 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. In a battle shounen that relies on killing people off, you don't need new characters? Sure, if you wanted to end your manga in 40 chapters. Tokoya said: 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression That's the whole point... Can you just not see it or something? He's like Tatsumi. Tatsumi sees the corruption in the capital when his friends are tortured and killed, thus joins Night Raid. Wave knows the empire is corrupted and evil, but needs wake up call in order to do anything about it. That fight scene shows that Wave is finally taking action. Like I said before, which you seemed to ignore for some reason, it's a defection flag for Wave. Before he did nothing and seemingly turned a blind eye to the fact that a lot of the things the Jaegers, let alone the empire, does aren't right. Wave aside, Budou also gets involved. Tokoya said: 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. Do you even know what fan service is? Anime Run > Manga Run? I sure hope you aren't serious. It's like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. |
Dec 9, 2014 8:08 PM
#714
| wtf...Tatsumi. Okay now. Since it's so messed up, I would prefer to see Esdeath victory. Next episode 3/5 if Akame wins. 5/5 if Esdeath |
Dec 9, 2014 8:36 PM
#715
Satire said: The series did not need anymore incredibly edgy black characters, they were out of place and we're all quiet frankly poorly writtenTokoya said: 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. In a battle shounen that relies on killing people off, you don't need new characters? Sure, if you wanted to end your manga in 40 chapters. Tokoya said: 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression That's the whole point... Can you just not see it or something? He's like Tatsumi. Tatsumi sees the corruption in the capital when his friends are tortured and killed, thus joins Night Raid. Wave knows the empire is corrupted and evil, but needs wake up call in order to do anything about it. That fight scene shows that Wave is finally taking action. Like I said before, which you seemed to ignore for some reason, it's a defection flag for Wave. Before he did nothing and seemingly turned a blind eye to the fact that a lot of the things the Jaegers, let alone the empire, does aren't right. Wave aside, Budou also gets involved. Tokoya said: 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. Do you even know what fan service is? Anime Run > Manga Run? I sure hope you aren't serious. It's like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. But on a side note, it's sad to see that we live in a world where fan service is only seen as slamming oppai/asses in the audience's faces. Google the actual definition of the term (Not Urban Dictionary -_-) and then come back to me Not even |
Dec 9, 2014 8:38 PM
#716
GC-Wave said: And this is all the proof that I needed in order to confirm my thoughts about youWow a killer killing a guy is out of character. |
Dec 9, 2014 8:44 PM
#717
FlamingYu said: wtf...Tatsumi. Okay now. Since it's so messed up, I would prefer to see Esdeath victory. Next episode 3/5 if Akame wins. 5/5 if Esdeath Looks like you'll be giving it a 3/5 |
Dec 9, 2014 8:57 PM
#718
Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. |
Dec 9, 2014 9:14 PM
#719
Tokoya said: Satire said: The series did not need anymore incredibly edgy black characters, they were out of place and we're all quiet frankly poorly writtenTokoya said: 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. In a battle shounen that relies on killing people off, you don't need new characters? Sure, if you wanted to end your manga in 40 chapters. Tokoya said: 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression That's the whole point... Can you just not see it or something? He's like Tatsumi. Tatsumi sees the corruption in the capital when his friends are tortured and killed, thus joins Night Raid. Wave knows the empire is corrupted and evil, but needs wake up call in order to do anything about it. That fight scene shows that Wave is finally taking action. Like I said before, which you seemed to ignore for some reason, it's a defection flag for Wave. Before he did nothing and seemingly turned a blind eye to the fact that a lot of the things the Jaegers, let alone the empire, does aren't right. Wave aside, Budou also gets involved. Tokoya said: 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. Do you even know what fan service is? Anime Run > Manga Run? I sure hope you aren't serious. It's like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. But on a side note, it's sad to see that we live in a world where fan service is only seen as slamming oppai/asses in the audience's faces. Google the actual definition of the term (Not Urban Dictionary -_-) and then come back to me Not even Actually Urban Dictionary has the right definition as well... The Anime broke me.... I can't call Run... Dark-Run anymore... About WH... Oh come on how can you hate Izou? Well he killed my favorite character but his whole character is shrouded in mystery... his teigu, his existence, he seems to have honor, Shura hyped him...etc... sure the rest of wild hunt can spend the rest of eternity in Lake Cocytus but Izou is fairly decent. |
D3pthChargeDec 9, 2014 9:20 PM
Dec 9, 2014 9:24 PM
#720
za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Tokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Tokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD |
Dec 9, 2014 9:29 PM
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D3pthCharge said: UD is not a credible/academic website. It's the equivalent of Wikyipedia which isn't credible at all.Tokoya said: Satire said: Tokoya said: 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. In a battle shounen that relies on killing people off, you don't need new characters? Sure, if you wanted to end your manga in 40 chapters. Tokoya said: 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression That's the whole point... Can you just not see it or something? He's like Tatsumi. Tatsumi sees the corruption in the capital when his friends are tortured and killed, thus joins Night Raid. Wave knows the empire is corrupted and evil, but needs wake up call in order to do anything about it. That fight scene shows that Wave is finally taking action. Like I said before, which you seemed to ignore for some reason, it's a defection flag for Wave. Before he did nothing and seemingly turned a blind eye to the fact that a lot of the things the Jaegers, let alone the empire, does aren't right. Wave aside, Budou also gets involved. Tokoya said: 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. Do you even know what fan service is? Anime Run > Manga Run? I sure hope you aren't serious. It's like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. But on a side note, it's sad to see that we live in a world where fan service is only seen as slamming oppai/asses in the audience's faces. Google the actual definition of the term (Not Urban Dictionary -_-) and then come back to me Not even Actually Urban Dictionary has the right definition as well... The Anime broke me.... I can't call Run... Dark-Run anymore... About WH... Oh come on how can you hate Izou? Well he killed my favorite character but his whole character is shrouded in mystery... his teigu, his existence, he seems to have honor, Shura hyped him...etc... sure the rest of wild hunt can spend the rest of eternity in Lake Cocytus but Izou is fairly decent. you're right in this regards but we'll have to see where his character goes. I wouldn't get.my hopes up, but the rest of the team are just terrible |
Dec 9, 2014 10:09 PM
#722
Tokoya said: The series did not need anymore incredibly edgy black characters 1. That's your opinion. But wait a minute... You aren't the author last time I checked, nor does your opinion represent the feelings of the overwhelming majority, who are most likely watching/reading this series because it's edgy. 2. That's basically the premise of the series. Once again, what? Tokoya said: they were out of place and we're all quiet frankly poorly written How ironic. I won't argue that characters are poorly written, but that's hardly the focus for any battle shounen, really. Tokoya said: But on a side note, it's sad to see that we live in a world where fan service is only seen as slamming oppai/asses in the audience's faces. Google the actual definition of the term (Not Urban Dictionary -_-) and then come back to me Incorrect. I know what fan service is, but it's quite questionable that you do considering how often and loosely you throw the term around. The way you portray fan service basically covers every single aspect of the series, which isn't what the word is meant for. Enjoyment and fan service are not mutually exclusive. For example, Tatsumi using Incursio, and the whole transformation scene, is fan service. It adds nothing to the story or plot, but it's (arguably) cool. We, as the audience, get a kick out of it. Wave's fight with Syura isn't there just to be cool, though it may have also been enjoyable to read/witness. It has an effect on the story and showcases Wave a bit more as a character. As I've explained before, it also might be a flag. Likewise, with Run, who needed some background to his character, his actions and motivations are not fan service. The Jaegers and Wild Hunt aggression is a subplot, not fan service. Is it interesting? That depends on the individual. Is it fan service? No. So, yes, I would say you don't know what fan service means. You certainly aren't using it correctly. |
SatireDec 9, 2014 10:19 PM
Dec 9, 2014 10:20 PM
#723
| I don't think the emperor can be any more retarded... fuck that little bitch. Also, I don't think I hated a character in anime more than the prime minister. Hope we see that fat ass get his next episode. |
Dec 10, 2014 12:50 AM
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theblur said: I don't think the emperor can be any more retarded... fuck that little bitch. Also, I don't think I hated a character in anime more than the prime minister. Hope we see that fat ass get his next episode. Anime only was good at the fight animations..... Till episode 19 was great for me and enjoyed watching the anime more than the manga...~ But suddenly at episode 20 they skip so many important thing... Even in the final part of episode 19 we had Esdeath and Night Raid`s Boss speaking and in the episode 20 they just skip that? dafuq CMOOON really? How can Mein after taking several hits by BUDOU, who is supposed to be as strong as Esdeath , survived and with a single shot killed him?.... Tatusmi died to a little robot who fires laserbeams all over the place? haha reallY? |
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Dec 10, 2014 2:20 AM
#725
kakoa1234 said: Tatusmi died to a little robot who fires laserbeams all over the place? haha reallY? Yeah, and that crazy prime minister is alive until the last episode.... |
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Dec 10, 2014 2:40 AM
#726
Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD How ironic. You say I haven't backed up my points. Bitch, YOU haven't backed up what you have said aside from incorrect and misplaced statements. You ignoring my points and giving up does not change their validity. Everything I said is still correct. I have to keep repeating it to get it through your head. Yes bad reviews. SHOCKING right? Just google "akame ga kill episode _ review" and you'll find plenty. Especially on blogs. Even the ones that enjoy the show concede that the fighting kinda sucks. That is not a nitpick. That is a major flaw of White Fox. They don't know how to do proper hand-to-hand or sword choreography. It pisses me off actually. The animation is also not that great. I don't take SeventhStyle seriously, the people over there are morons. ANN, on the other hand, has credible writers. You are in no place to call them jokes when you have poor analysis skills yourself. |
Dec 10, 2014 5:26 AM
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Darklight0303 said: ninjastarforcex said: According to the storyboard that was leaked, Esdeath actually finds one of the better ends by encasing herself in Ice with Tatsumi before dying :P Report this please. I'm tired of little kids that try their best to ruin other people's enjoyment. |
Dec 10, 2014 6:38 AM
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Falle said: Ultimate Teigu looks like a digimon. I said a power ranger's megazord but that sounds good to! lol |
Dec 10, 2014 6:51 AM
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Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD |
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Dec 10, 2014 9:23 AM
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Satire said: Tokoya said: The series did not need anymore incredibly edgy black characters 1. That's your opinion. But wait a minute... You aren't the author last time I checked, nor does your opinion represent the feelings of the overwhelming majority, who are most likely watching/reading this series because it's edgy. 2. That's basically the premise of the series. Once again, what? Tokoya said: they were out of place and we're all quiet frankly poorly written How ironic. I won't argue that characters are poorly written, but that's hardly the focus for any battle shounen, really. Tokoya said: But on a side note, it's sad to see that we live in a world where fan service is only seen as slamming oppai/asses in the audience's faces. Google the actual definition of the term (Not Urban Dictionary -_-) and then come back to me Incorrect. I know what fan service is, but it's quite questionable that you do considering how often and loosely you throw the term around. The way you portray fan service basically covers every single aspect of the series, which isn't what the word is meant for. Enjoyment and fan service are not mutually exclusive. For example, Tatsumi using Incursio, and the whole transformation scene, is fan service. It adds nothing to the story or plot, but it's (arguably) cool. We, as the audience, get a kick out of it. Wave's fight with Syura isn't there just to be cool, though it may have also been enjoyable to read/witness. It has an effect on the story and showcases Wave a bit more as a character. As I've explained before, it also might be a flag. Likewise, with Run, who needed some background to his character, his actions and motivations are not fan service. The Jaegers and Wild Hunt aggression is a subplot, not fan service. Is it interesting? That depends on the individual. Is it fan service? No. So, yes, I would say you don't know what fan service means. You certainly aren't using it correctly. You can afford to stay blind all you want but the fact of the matter is, those chapters are prime examples of terrible writing |
TokoyaDec 10, 2014 9:36 AM
Dec 10, 2014 9:28 AM
#733
za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: [spoiler]In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD How ironic. You say I haven't backed up my points. Bitch, YOU haven't backed up what you have said aside from incorrect and misplaced statements. You ignoring my points and giving up does not change their validity. Everything I said is still correct. I have to keep repeating it to get it through your head. Yes bad reviews. SHOCKING right? Just google "akame ga kill episode _ review" and you'll find plenty. Especially on blogs. Even the ones that enjoy the show concede that the fighting kinda sucks. That is not a nitpick. That is a major flaw of White Fox. They don't know how to do proper hand-to-hand or sword choreography. It pisses me off actually. The animation is also not that great. I don't take SeventhStyle seriously, the people over there are morons. ANN, on the other hand, has credible writers. You are in no place to call them jokes when you have poor analysis skills yourself. >ANN >The salt kings > Has credible writers Top lel I know that you're talking out of your ass because I've seen them myself. The thing that those guys or anyone else for that matter complains about are three simple things 1. They claim that the characters are underdeveloped 2. They complain about the atmosphere/mood of the series i.e. how one second it goes from a serious mood to a comedic one etc and that the colours don't go with the series 3. People dying everywhere Even the majority of the people that posts in these threads all agree that the action is one of the best things about this anime lol |
TokoyaDec 10, 2014 9:43 AM
Dec 10, 2014 9:30 AM
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Knight-Artorias said: It's just the butthurt being butthurtJesus what is dat conversation even about |
Dec 10, 2014 9:36 AM
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Knight-Artorias said: It's pretty funny thoughJesus what is dat conversation even about |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
Dec 10, 2014 11:10 AM
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Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: [spoiler]In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD How ironic. You say I haven't backed up my points. Bitch, YOU haven't backed up what you have said aside from incorrect and misplaced statements. You ignoring my points and giving up does not change their validity. Everything I said is still correct. I have to keep repeating it to get it through your head. Yes bad reviews. SHOCKING right? Just google "akame ga kill episode _ review" and you'll find plenty. Especially on blogs. Even the ones that enjoy the show concede that the fighting kinda sucks. That is not a nitpick. That is a major flaw of White Fox. They don't know how to do proper hand-to-hand or sword choreography. It pisses me off actually. The animation is also not that great. I don't take SeventhStyle seriously, the people over there are morons. ANN, on the other hand, has credible writers. You are in no place to call them jokes when you have poor analysis skills yourself. >ANN >The salt kings > Has credible writers Top lel I know that you're talking out of your ass because I've seen them myself. The thing that those guys or anyone else for that matter complains about are three simple things 1. They claim that the characters are underdeveloped 2. They complain about the atmosphere/mood of the series i.e. how one second it goes from a serious mood to a comedic one etc and that the colours don't go with the series 3. People dying everywhere Even the majority of the people that posts in these threads all agree that the action is one of the best things about this anime lol What are you on about now? I did not say how they were relevant, I did say why they were important. You didn't counter anything. You sidestepped it everytime just like you just did. I've dissected all your points and found them flawed. How can you complain I'm making things up. I was there when people were talking shit about the series since the beginning of the anime and I was there defending it. I can't do that now. Yes those were valid criticisms, among many others. Some I disagree with and some I concede. Go on youtube and see some of the many rants and bad reviews of the anime. Hell, go to MoeSucks (who I don't like and disagree with every episode review) to see how negative the criticisms are. People can say action is one of the best things in the anime, but it is still not done great at all (aside from maybe the Akame vs Zank and Seryu vs Mine fight). What does that tell you about everything else if the action is the best thing but still sucks. Most of the fights looked like they lacked a budget, were comprised of mostly blue slashes among a black background, and had poor choreography. Most shounen fights are better than this and that says something. Do you deny this? |
Dec 10, 2014 11:16 AM
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Tokoya said: Knight-Artorias said: It's just the butthurt being butthurtJesus what is dat conversation even about Just you being butthurt whenever wild hunt is mentioned |
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Dec 10, 2014 11:49 AM
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| I see people are still going on about this. lel *gets popcorn* |
Dec 10, 2014 12:04 PM
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GC-Wave said: You really need to work on your writing skills and grammar because you clearly can't put 1 and 2 together lolTokoya said: Knight-Artorias said: Jesus what is dat conversation even about Just you being butthurt whenever wild hunt is mentioned za21 said: Dude.....The point of this entire discussion is if they are relevant to the story.....You're just backing yourself in a corner now lol. I didn't sidestep anything, that is what YOU are doing. I've provided logical reasoning for everything that I've said unlike a certain someone who's only argument is that he's right and I'm wrong *derp*. I've already debunked it and you just refuse to accept thingsTokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: [spoiler]In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD How ironic. You say I haven't backed up my points. Bitch, YOU haven't backed up what you have said aside from incorrect and misplaced statements. You ignoring my points and giving up does not change their validity. Everything I said is still correct. I have to keep repeating it to get it through your head. Yes bad reviews. SHOCKING right? Just google "akame ga kill episode _ review" and you'll find plenty. Especially on blogs. Even the ones that enjoy the show concede that the fighting kinda sucks. That is not a nitpick. That is a major flaw of White Fox. They don't know how to do proper hand-to-hand or sword choreography. It pisses me off actually. The animation is also not that great. I don't take SeventhStyle seriously, the people over there are morons. ANN, on the other hand, has credible writers. You are in no place to call them jokes when you have poor analysis skills yourself. >ANN >The salt kings > Has credible writers Top lel I know that you're talking out of your ass because I've seen them myself. The thing that those guys or anyone else for that matter complains about are three simple things 1. They claim that the characters are underdeveloped 2. They complain about the atmosphere/mood of the series i.e. how one second it goes from a serious mood to a comedic one etc and that the colours don't go with the series 3. People dying everywhere Even the majority of the people that posts in these threads all agree that the action is one of the best things about this anime lol What are you on about now? I did not say how they were relevant, I did say why they were important. You didn't counter anything. You sidestepped it everytime just like you just did. I've dissected all your points and found them flawed. How can you complain I'm making things up. I was there when people were talking shit about the series since the beginning of the anime and I was there defending it. I can't do that now. Yes those were valid criticisms, among many others. Some I disagree with and some I concede. Go on youtube and see some of the many rants and bad reviews of the anime. Hell, go to MoeSucks (who I don't like and disagree with every episode review) to see how negative the criticisms are. People can say action is one of the best things in the anime, but it is still not done great at all (aside from maybe the Akame vs Zank and Seryu vs Mine fight). What does that tell you about everything else if the action is the best thing but still sucks. Most of the fights looked like they lacked a budget, were comprised of mostly blue slashes among a black background, and had poor choreography. Most shounen fights are better than this and that says something. Do you deny this? Because you ARE making shit up. Using youtube reviewers further kills your argument even more because the majority of them loved the anime until recently because of the original stuff. Those people you speak of are the minority (I know because im subscribed to these people) and are just the salt of salty just like ANN and SeventhStyle. Those people are elitists that just love to shit on things that are popular Dude you can sit here all you want and say that they're bad but the fact of the matter is, they're not in the slightest because the fights are the one scenes that are always animated well. And let's not forget how beautiful the art is for the stills that are usually used at the end of the fights. 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Tokoya said: GC-Wave said: You really need to work on your writing skills and grammar because you clearly can't put 1 and 2 together lolTokoya said: Knight-Artorias said: It's just the butthurt being butthurtJesus what is dat conversation even about Just you being butthurt whenever wild hunt is mentioned za21 said: Dude.....The point of this entire discussion is if they are relevant to the story.....You're just backing yourself in a corner now lol. I didn't sidestep anything, that is what YOU are doing. I've provided logical reasoning for everything that I've said unlike a certain someone who's only argument is that he's right and I'm wrong *derp*. I've already debunked it and you just refuse to accept thingsTokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: [spoiler]In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD How ironic. You say I haven't backed up my points. Bitch, YOU haven't backed up what you have said aside from incorrect and misplaced statements. You ignoring my points and giving up does not change their validity. Everything I said is still correct. I have to keep repeating it to get it through your head. Yes bad reviews. SHOCKING right? Just google "akame ga kill episode _ review" and you'll find plenty. Especially on blogs. Even the ones that enjoy the show concede that the fighting kinda sucks. That is not a nitpick. That is a major flaw of White Fox. They don't know how to do proper hand-to-hand or sword choreography. It pisses me off actually. The animation is also not that great. I don't take SeventhStyle seriously, the people over there are morons. ANN, on the other hand, has credible writers. You are in no place to call them jokes when you have poor analysis skills yourself. >ANN >The salt kings > Has credible writers Top lel I know that you're talking out of your ass because I've seen them myself. The thing that those guys or anyone else for that matter complains about are three simple things 1. They claim that the characters are underdeveloped 2. They complain about the atmosphere/mood of the series i.e. how one second it goes from a serious mood to a comedic one etc and that the colours don't go with the series 3. People dying everywhere Even the majority of the people that posts in these threads all agree that the action is one of the best things about this anime lol What are you on about now? I did not say how they were relevant, I did say why they were important. You didn't counter anything. You sidestepped it everytime just like you just did. I've dissected all your points and found them flawed. How can you complain I'm making things up. I was there when people were talking shit about the series since the beginning of the anime and I was there defending it. I can't do that now. Yes those were valid criticisms, among many others. Some I disagree with and some I concede. Go on youtube and see some of the many rants and bad reviews of the anime. Hell, go to MoeSucks (who I don't like and disagree with every episode review) to see how negative the criticisms are. People can say action is one of the best things in the anime, but it is still not done great at all (aside from maybe the Akame vs Zank and Seryu vs Mine fight). What does that tell you about everything else if the action is the best thing but still sucks. Most of the fights looked like they lacked a budget, were comprised of mostly blue slashes among a black background, and had poor choreography. Most shounen fights are better than this and that says something. Do you deny this? Because you ARE making shit up. Using youtube reviewers further kills your argument even more because the majority of them loved the anime until recently because of the original stuff. Those people you speak of are the minority (I know because im subscribed to these people) and are just the salt of salty just like ANN and SeventhStyle. Those people are elitists that just love to shit on things that are popular Dude you can sit here all you want and say that they're bad but the fact of the matter is, they're not in the slightest because the fights are the one scenes that are always animated well. And let's not forget how beautiful the art is for the stills that are usually used at the end of the fights. 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UnbornMVs said: The semester is over for me so I kinda do xDTokoya said: GC-Wave said: Tokoya said: Knight-Artorias said: It's just the butthurt being butthurtJesus what is dat conversation even about Just you being butthurt whenever wild hunt is mentioned za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: Tokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: [spoiler]In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. za21 said: SighhhhhhhhTokoya said: Satire said: Yes but that was to establish the atmosphere of the series which was already done. We did not need them, the we're "over the top"....That's it, that's not adding anything new to the story besides giving us the whole "random villain of the week" thing which is repeat is not neededTokoya said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this... Unnecessary? How so? It would have been unnatural for Lubbock to not have been tortured. Tokoya said: I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy I don't know what you've been reading, but edgy for the sake of being edgy is the basis for this series... Like, what? Tokoya said: 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and RanRan never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actuallu had relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned into Sasuke Uchiha (I explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Actually, Wild Hunt does add to the story. If there was no Wild Hunt, the manga would most likely tread along a similar path of the anime original content, which is terrible in comparison. At the absolute bare minimum, it introduces more teigu, you know, a backbone of the series. 2. AgK is not a deep series whatsoever, and I certainly never expected it to be to begin with, but it's painfully obvious that Wave punching Syura (and the whole fight in general) is more than just a punch for reader thrills. Wave is essentially who Tatsumi would have been if he had been in the Jaegers instead of Night Raid. It's somewhat of an interesting dynamic, but we obviously don't see as much Wave as Tatsumi due to one being an MC and the other being a supporting character. The chapter does give Wave relevancy, since this scene might be one of many reasons to fuel a possible defection from the capital later. I don't see how Run's background is fan service. It explains his motivations and why he joined the Jaegers. Is Run extremely relevant? Not really. Is the extra back story better than having none? Certainly. Since nothing has happened since Run became a puppet, no one can really say whether or not it was necessary. 1. The characters themselves were not needed, as I stated earlier, repeating more of the same does not add to a plot since that particular dynamic was already fleshed out and forced in our faces from chapter 1. 2. Him punching him was nothing but fanservice. That entire altercation didn't add to his character much because it just pretty much confirmed what we already knew about him. He is pretty much Tatsumi like you said. They don't tolerate BS like that. And even then, that whole thing was pretty much pointless since he wasn't allowed to kill him thus there was no progression 3. Him killing Champ is what was fan service. Like I said to the other guy, I made a post explaining why Anime Ran>> Manga Ran some pages back and will give you insight as to why that entire thing with him was a mess. I'd link it for you but I'm on my phone and I cba. za21 said: Tokoya said: za21 said: In regards to Rabac, you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not saying that him dying was bad. I'm saying that the events that led to his death was vastly unnecessary i.e. The torture, ball crushing etc. I can't get any clearer than this...Tokoya said: za21 said: What he did in that one chapter was a single moment in one single chapter. The only things that those chapters had were few good moments wrapped around with bad writing. What happened to Rabac was completely unnecessary since realistically speaking he never had a chance to begin with.Tokoya said: za21 said: The past 3 chapters has been the strongest since chapter 43. As a whole the rest of those chapters were shitFullmetal89 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Agreed, so far I'm liking it more than the current shit in the manga lol. How? The past 8 chapters have been some of the strongest chapters in the series. No they haven't. How do you figure that chapters 47 (where Wave fights Syura) up chapter 51 (where Lubbock is tortured) were shit. They were not. You keep saying bad writing but you aren't explaining how. I don't believe you know the difference between bad writing and writing that is just fine. You just said Lubbock had no chance. So him dying was assured. Then you complain that he actually did die. Besides that, let's go through the chapters. Chapter 47 - Wave fights Syura. That is the entire chapter and a great one at that showcasing Wave. How do you have a problem with that? Chapter 48 - Run calculatingly striking Wild Hunt with Kurome taking out Champ and that moon sword guy and incapaciting Cosmina. Him revealing the reason he was there and getting revenge against Champ. At the same time saying why he wanted to change the empire from the inside out. Him going out by witnessing the lengths Kurome will go through by turning him into a puppet was fitting. Much better than the anime version. Chapter 49 - A harmless side chapter Chapter 50 - Tatsumi and Lubbock getting captured. Pretty straightforward chapter Chapter 51 - Tatsumi and Esdeath conversation, and Lubbock getting tortured yet not breaking down. This gave Lubbock some of the respect he deserved and showcased his determination. Chapter 52 - Lubbock killing Syura but just when we think there is hope he gets out, he dies as well. This was a depressing chapter. Most people were just enraged that Lubbock died, not at how it was done. Chapter 53 - Mine rescuing Tatsumi Chapter 54 - Tatsumi's incursio evolution, the setup of Night Raid vs Esdeath and Budou (who is far superior to the anime version of Budou) Aside from maybe, maybe chapter 52 with Lubbock, how is there any problems with the other chapters? I'll just make things brief. The main reason as to why those chaptees were awful for the most part (Excluding things like WavexKurome and TatsxMein for example) is because they're the prime examples as to why this anime has been getting so much hate before episode 19. Those chapters were just unnecessarily edgy for the sake of being edgy 1. Wild Hunt (With the exception of Shura but excluding most of his "edgy" moments after chapter 43) should have never been introduced in the series to begin with. They served no other purpose other than being evil for the sake of being evil. They added nothing to the story. They didn't change the dynamic of the capital being messed up because we've already been spoon fed that numerous times before they were introduced. Them attacking anyone (Even people that are loyal to the empire) was just retarded (I shouldn't have to explain why-Bors' family). 2. A lot of you like to use Wave's falcon punch and Ran's back story as an excuse to give them relevance when in actuality, those moments were simply fanservice (Think about this and you'll see why), we already knew that Wave and Ran never agreed with the methods made by the capital, we did not need more obviously black characters to see this when the PM (Someone that actually has relevance to the story) was all that we needed. Ran on the other hand had his character destroyed by that because it got rid of his foreshadowing and turned him into Sasuke Uchiha (I fully explained this in one of my earlier posts in this thread so I'd advise that you check it out). Kurome turning him into a battle puppet only further showed that she is irredeemable (Which was already fairly obvious way before this event) so that in itself was unnecessary 1. Lubbock going through all that torture was not unnecessary. The fact that it was brutal has nothing to do with whether it was important. It showed his resolved and his loyalty. It doesn't matter how brutal it was. 2. No, those chapters aren't "edgy for the sake of edgy." Don't be one of those morons on 4chan who use a word that doesn't mean anything. Let's say the chapters were edgy for the hell of it. And? What does that have to do with the quality. 3. Wild Hunt was the sole reason for Syura being relevant to the story (besides just being the PM's son). In the 2 1/2 chapters that they were prominent, the only things they did was kill Bols's family, investigate that theater group, and kill that one group that tried to fight them. That's it. It was them abusing their power and causing a rift between the Jaegars and them leading to Wave finally seeing the corruption of the capital. They didn't need to change anything about the capital, they needed to change the dynamic of the Jaegars and Night Raid, which they did. 4. You don't know what fanservice is. Those were clearly important to the story. Just because there is something that the audience takes delight in does not mean it was fanservice. Wave punching Syura was him taking a stand. Also, how is a backstory fanservice? That was a stupid remark on your part. 5. It was hinted that Wave and Run were at odds with the empire, but it wasn't until those chapters that it was put out there and showcased. 6. The PM is not an active villian. While he is behind what is wrong with the current state of the capital, he doesn't cause the conflicts directly. It is the Jaegars that he ordered to be put together and Wild Hunt that his son put together that do this. 7. I've seen your previous posts on comparing Run to Sasuke and that is a terrible analogy. Just because someone has a vendetta it doesn't they are anything close to Sasuke. Did he cut off any relationships to get revenge, did he abandon his friends to obtain any power he could, did he make it his life's mission? No. He was calm and collected even when stabbing Champ. He even played Wild Hunt by trying to get on their good side. Sasuke would have recklessly charged at them. 8. Kurome turning him into a puppet was important for Run seeing Kurome's madness for himself being dying. There was no bad writing during these chapters. It's not great, but it does the job. The anime was getting hate before episode 19 because of the flaws the series always had and for events happening that people (for example, those who irrationally hate Mine) didn't like. Not forgetting the poor fighting choreography, low budget animation, and rushed episodes. The problems that the series has had in the beginning improved drastically and the recent chapters are the reason why the characters and events in the manga are superior to those in the anime. 1. Subjective, but I say that seeing his resolve was nice 2. When you introduce characters such as WH and have them do the things they did, denying that this is case is nothing short of being laughable because quite frankly it is and I already stated why. 3. WH had nothing to do with Shura's personality because he was always messed up like that and the reason why he did those things was because he was the PM's son. His team was extremely unnecessary, they didn't add any dynamics to the Jaegers or NR. NR has been killing blatantly black character since chapter 1 and WH were no different. Nothing changed in the Jaegers other than that fact that Ran died which was stupid. He and Wave were against their methods from jump street (Refer to my first post in this thread) 4. Clearly you don't. They had no relevance to the story, Shura vs Wave b didn't change anything, Shura didn't die, he.went away unscathed, Ran's death just got them disbanded (Which in itself didn't make any difference since they can still kill. (Read what I told this other guy in parenthesis when he asked about the fanservice and thing refer to my first post ) 5. Exactly, it was foreshadowed and going by their actions it was fairly obvious but I explained this whole concept and why the manga failed in regards to this in the post I'm telling you to look at 6. Uh no. The PM is the main villain, the point of the story is to kill him. WH did whatever the fuck they wanted to, and did it to literally anyone and it was only until The Jaegers/Esdese brought it to light that it became an issue. That is what you call deviating from the story, it messed up the dynamic between NR and the jaegars 7. Clearly you didn't understand his character at all. The anime clearly showed how his character was supposed to be played out. What he did in the manga was out of character, him deciding to go and kill Champ in the way he did was the prime example of this 8. Important to a character that's already dead....Great logic there lol It's terrible writing, the fact that there are people in this fandom that defends it is just saddening. And now you're pulling things out of your ass because if there's any good thing about the anime, it's the fights and animation (Which isn't bad at all considering how even the stills looked great). And the pacing wasn't bad at all because prior to them going original it was a near perfect adaptation Your kinda being an idiot here. I'm not going to go through every single point again but I'll address some. 1. Wild Hunt is the only reason Syura is relevant. Without them, there is no point in putting him in the story except for teleporting Tatsumi and Esdeath to the island. Maybe if White Fox gave him another role instead of just killing him off in the same episode he was formally introduced. You may hate Wild Hunt like most people, but denying their role in the story is ridiculous. They were there for the Jaegars and Night Raid to have a common enemy. 2. Wave fighting Syura did change something. He got off his ass and took a stand. It was also important for Syura as he always got away with what he wanted. Not this time. Not to mention Budou being there showed alot of his character. 3. You still don't know what fanservice is. Those moments had a purpose. Therefore, no fanservice. Stop spouting BS like that. 4. Manga did not fail at Run's development. It was the anime that did this. I don't know how you think him having a few lines of dialogue at the last minute about why he was there working for the empire trumps an entire chapter about him. Everything you said about Run being Sasuke was dead wrong. He was not out of character. Everything he did made sense. 5. Apparently you don't have good reading comprehension. Yes, the PM is the main villian. However, he is not an active one. He is not fighting NR himself. He is behind the scenes. A team like Wild Hunt provides a direct threat. 6. I said as Run was dying that it was important for him to see Kurome's depravity. Reading comprehension! Throughout all this, you keep saying its bad writing. You have not given any reasons why. You just keep stating it. Again, you don't know what is important to a story and characterization. You thinking that anime Run is better than manga Run is the saddening part. Yes, the fights were not well done except for the Mine and Seryu fight even for shounen battles. Naruto fights are better than this. They were uninspired and was pretty much them punching repeatingly like in DBZ. Go to the first fight between Tatsumi and Wave and that is the epitome of terrible choreography. Go to any reviews of the episodes and they will say the same thing. You know damn well the animation is not that up to par with other anime this year. For certain episodes the pacing was off. For some there were 3 chapters crammed into them. Take when Tatsumi was captured by Esdeath. The very next episode he is just thrown into the group without introduction. So no, it was not a perfect adaptation. The fact that White Fox needed to increase every female's breast size is just example of why it's not. I'm not going to bother to responding anymore because all you're doing is repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up because you can't back it up. None of you have managed to even properly come up with a rebuttal. Once again there you go spitting things out of your ass. Bad Reviews? I REALLY hope that you're not talking about ANN or SeventhStyle because the people that write for them are jokes lol. Now you're just nitpicking on minor shit just to prove your point....My goodness I forgot just how hilarious some MAL users are until now xD How ironic. You say I haven't backed up my points. Bitch, YOU haven't backed up what you have said aside from incorrect and misplaced statements. You ignoring my points and giving up does not change their validity. Everything I said is still correct. I have to keep repeating it to get it through your head. Yes bad reviews. SHOCKING right? Just google "akame ga kill episode _ review" and you'll find plenty. Especially on blogs. Even the ones that enjoy the show concede that the fighting kinda sucks. That is not a nitpick. That is a major flaw of White Fox. They don't know how to do proper hand-to-hand or sword choreography. It pisses me off actually. The animation is also not that great. I don't take SeventhStyle seriously, the people over there are morons. ANN, on the other hand, has credible writers. You are in no place to call them jokes when you have poor analysis skills yourself. >ANN >The salt kings > Has credible writers Top lel I know that you're talking out of your ass because I've seen them myself. The thing that those guys or anyone else for that matter complains about are three simple things 1. They claim that the characters are underdeveloped 2. They complain about the atmosphere/mood of the series i.e. how one second it goes from a serious mood to a comedic one etc and that the colours don't go with the series 3. People dying everywhere Even the majority of the people that posts in these threads all agree that the action is one of the best things about this anime lol What are you on about now? I did not say how they were relevant, I did say why they were important. You didn't counter anything. You sidestepped it everytime just like you just did. I've dissected all your points and found them flawed. How can you complain I'm making things up. I was there when people were talking shit about the series since the beginning of the anime and I was there defending it. I can't do that now. Yes those were valid criticisms, among many others. Some I disagree with and some I concede. Go on youtube and see some of the many rants and bad reviews of the anime. Hell, go to MoeSucks (who I don't like and disagree with every episode review) to see how negative the criticisms are. People can say action is one of the best things in the anime, but it is still not done great at all (aside from maybe the Akame vs Zank and Seryu vs Mine fight). What does that tell you about everything else if the action is the best thing but still sucks. Most of the fights looked like they lacked a budget, were comprised of mostly blue slashes among a black background, and had poor choreography. Most shounen fights are better than this and that says something. Do you deny this? Because you ARE making shit up. Using youtube reviewers further kills your argument even more because the majority of them loved the anime until recently because of the original stuff. Those people you speak of are the minority (I know because im subscribed to these people) and are just the salt of salty just like ANN and SeventhStyle. Those people are elitists that just love to shit on things that are popular Dude you can sit here all you want and say that they're bad but the fact of the matter is, they're not in the slightest because the fights are the one scenes that are always animated well. And let's not forget how beautiful the art is for the stills that are usually used at the end of the fights. This entire debate on whether or not the animation was bad was a joke ever since the beginning. You guys sure got a lot of time on your hands. |
Dec 10, 2014 2:26 PM
#742
Tokoya said: See here's the thing. I was such a huge fan of this series (and I still am) that even though I knew that those chapters were bad, I overlooked it. But after all the BS that happened in these threads when the anime went original, you people forced me to open my eyes. Objectively speaking, those chapters were SHIT. There is no overwhelmingly majority of people that thinks that they were so good. This manga has been getting shit on for a while now and it's so serious that not even the Nips gives a shit about this series lol You can afford to stay blind all you want but the fact of the matter is, those chapters are prime examples of terrible writing tl;dr Hurr durr I want to argue for the sake of arguing, and even though I've been proven wrong, I will change the subject or ignore the other person. I also don't know what objectivity means. All I see from you is an endless sea of tears with extra salt added. If I knew I was going to be swimming in it, I would have brought some swim trunks. Hell, maybe some scuba diving gear because it seems it's that deep. All you've proven is that you don't like the manga chapters, or the incorporation of Wild Hunt, and proceed to cry about it. I have an idea, and a genius one at that. Stop reading the manga if you're going to get buttblasted about it. Enjoy. |
Dec 10, 2014 2:46 PM
#743
| Esdeath will kill akame! Then kill the main boss then sacrifice herself to bring tatsumi back and there you got a happy end where everyone dies and 1 person getting reincarnate ! Aw well that is for the next episode. As for this.... 5/5 even thought it doesnt follow manga i still love the way that characters die here and there ! |
| GEE HEE ! |
Dec 10, 2014 3:56 PM
#744
Satire said: You are totally right. I am salty and or crying because a group of shit chapters didn't get animated and was replaced with a few things that was done better (The coloseum battle in the manga is better than the one in the anime tho, that much is a given)Tokoya said: See here's the thing. I was such a huge fan of this series (and I still am) that even though I knew that those chapters were bad, I overlooked it. But after all the BS that happened in these threads when the anime went original, you people forced me to open my eyes. Objectively speaking, those chapters were SHIT. There is no overwhelmingly majority of people that thinks that they were so good. This manga has been getting shit on for a while now and it's so serious that not even the Nips gives a shit about this series lol You can afford to stay blind all you want but the fact of the matter is, those chapters are prime examples of terrible writing tl;dr Hurr durr I want to argue for the sake of arguing, and even though I've been proven wrong, I will change the subject or ignore the other person. I also don't know what objectivity means. All I see from you is an endless sea of tears with extra salt added. If I knew I was going to be swimming in it, I would have brought some swim trunks. Hell, maybe some scuba diving gear because it seems it's that deep. All you've proven is that you don't like the manga chapters, or the incorporation of Wild Hunt, and proceed to cry about it. I have an idea, and a genius one at that. Stop reading the manga if you're going to get buttblasted about it. Enjoy. Saying that something is shit and enjoyment are two different things entirely. Yeah they were obviously terrible writing but I don't hate the manga (I DID say that I'm. A huge fan of it) . Like let's take Naruto for example, the last arc was the worst one/was boderline shit/was shit but that doesn't change how I feel about the series, because as a whole it's not bad. Clearly you don't understand what objective thinking is because of your stance on the matter |
Dec 10, 2014 3:59 PM
#745
Tokoya said: Satire said: You are totally right. I am salty and or crying because a group of shit chapters didn't get animated and was replaced with a few things that was done better (The coloseum battle in the manga is better than the one in the anime tho, that much is a given)Tokoya said: See here's the thing. I was such a huge fan of this series (and I still am) that even though I knew that those chapters were bad, I overlooked it. But after all the BS that happened in these threads when the anime went original, you people forced me to open my eyes. Objectively speaking, those chapters were SHIT. There is no overwhelmingly majority of people that thinks that they were so good. This manga has been getting shit on for a while now and it's so serious that not even the Nips gives a shit about this series lol You can afford to stay blind all you want but the fact of the matter is, those chapters are prime examples of terrible writing tl;dr Hurr durr I want to argue for the sake of arguing, and even though I've been proven wrong, I will change the subject or ignore the other person. I also don't know what objectivity means. All I see from you is an endless sea of tears with extra salt added. If I knew I was going to be swimming in it, I would have brought some swim trunks. Hell, maybe some scuba diving gear because it seems it's that deep. All you've proven is that you don't like the manga chapters, or the incorporation of Wild Hunt, and proceed to cry about it. I have an idea, and a genius one at that. Stop reading the manga if you're going to get buttblasted about it. Enjoy. Saying that something is shit and enjoyment are two different things entirely. Yeah they were obviously terrible writing but I don't hate the manga (I DID say that I'm. A huge fan of it) . Like let's take Naruto for example, the last arc was the worst one/was boderline shit/was shit but that doesn't change how I feel about the series, because as a whole it's not bad. Clearly you don't understand what objective thinking is because of your stance on the matter You have no right to talk about Objective thinking |
Dec 10, 2014 4:53 PM
#746
bastek66 said: This shit ain't happening in manga, thankfully. everyone knew this would be different Darklight0303 said: Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: Any anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse Doesn't change how many asspulls and random bshit this ep had everyone knew this wasnt going to be like the manga yet u watch every episode being a bitch go the fk away Tokoya said: Darklight0303 said: The anime let the true MC live so I don't give a shitAny anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse true mc? lol Darklight0303 said: Any anime defenders left now? Oh god the trainwreck just gets worse and worse i like the anime mainly because i dont read mangas and then cry like a bitch like , every manga reader does YOU HAVE THE MANGA ITS NNOT GOING TO BE THE FUCKING SAME AS IT |
Dec 10, 2014 4:54 PM
#747
Accelevi said: I see people are still going on about this. lel *gets popcorn* people are so butthurt everyone knew episode 1 its not going to be same as the manga |
Dec 10, 2014 4:56 PM
#748
Calumz said: Accelevi said: I see people are still going on about this. lel *gets popcorn* people are so butthurt everyone knew episode 1 its not going to be same as the manga Still the same retard you were back in Magi first season. The adaptation WAS the same as the manga until after the fight with Seryuu |
Dec 10, 2014 5:00 PM
#749
Darklight0303 said: Calumz said: Accelevi said: I see people are still going on about this. lel *gets popcorn* people are so butthurt everyone knew episode 1 its not going to be same as the manga Still the same retard you were back in Magi first season. The adaptation WAS the same as the manga until after the fight with Seryuu you call me a retard when your the bitch crying week after week and like episode 2 magi everyone knew it wasnt going to be like the manga yet u watched until the last episode crying like a bitch and even before seryuu people were crying? everyone knew this was a one season thing? of course it was going to be rushed |
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