If you found Fate/stay night subpar, is Fate/zero still worth watching?

Kirua- said:
Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night are like two different Anime. The atmosphere is completely different, and F/Z is much deeper and better thought-out. So yeah, F/Z is definitely superior. F/SN is just ranked higher so far because of the hype. Once it's done, it's going to be around ~#40-60. I'd say, give F/Z a go.

Kirua- said:
Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night are like two different Anime. The atmosphere is completely different, and F/Z is much deeper and better thought-out. So yeah, F/Z is definitely superior.

jejehartadi said:
Man, this thread becomes a war. LOL. Better take neutral side. Can't say anything, I haven't read the VN and Fate UBW is not even reaching its 1st half yet. Must see all episodes to give proper opinions to compare the characters and story.

But the sure thing for me is :

-F/Z is superior than F/SN Deen's adaptation

-F/SN UBW battle scenes > F/Z (see the battles in those two series, ufotable has upgraded the animation of battle scenes of F/SN UBW) so if u guys are looking for action, F/SN UBW may provide u better entertainment.

-The obvious difference is, the point of view. In F/Z, we got third person point of view, where we got to see all of the characters and what's going on. In F/SN, we got first person point of view, which is our MC, Shirou (this could be bad if u don't like him as a character).

HentaiPriest said:
This is objectively wrong.

HentaiPriest said:
But I will never get how people find Kiritsugu's ideal and his approach good and find Shirou dense,bad or whatever.Someone give the kid a gun.

HentaiPriest said:
This guy gets it.

Although we do get POVs of others, not only Shirou.

But I will never get how people find Kiritsugu's ideal and his approach good and find Shirou dense,bad or whatever.Someone give the kid a gun.

nocorras said:


This is why VN readers don't like secondaries. Lol his MAL list says he's not even done with Zero. Please save me.

HentaiPriest said:
This is objectively wrong.

fst said:


Exactly. Dis ist ein outrage.

Seeing lame attempts at trolling like this is an insult to the art. Nay, an insult to all who practice the art.

Next time try for some more subtlety.



Ideals aside, you have to admire his efficiency in getting shit done.

SwordHand said:

I'm looking forward to Berserker and Enkidu. The scene is surprisingly similar to the bridge scene in zero, but instead of respecting his opponent, Gil pretty much tramples over him. The King of Heroes really doesn't get along with Berserkers...

nocorras said:
Tsukihime > Fate

Kirua- said:

I'm rewatching F/Z. And I've completed every route of the F/SN VN.


Then give me a reliable source that states that my opinion is objectively incorrect.

nocorras said:
What in Fate/Zero is deep?

Kirua- said:

I'm rewatching F/Z. And I've completed every route of the F/SN VN.


Then give me a reliable source that states that my opinion is objectively incorrect.

BotatoPriest said:
Kirei's VA.

nocorras said:


Well you certainly got me there.

SwordHand said:
He's well informed enough for us to respect his opinion.

Right guys?

...Right?

Kirua- said:

Yes. You sound like there's always a special condition that has to be met before an opinion can be accepted and respected, though.

Kirua- said:

I'm rewatching F/Z. And I've completed every route of the F/SN VN.


Then give me a reliable source that states that my opinion is objectively incorrect.

HentaiPriest said:
But I will never get how people find Kiritsugu's ideal and his approach good and find Shirou dense,bad or whatever.Someone give the kid a gun.

Kirua- said:

Yes. You sound like there's always a special condition that has to be met before an opinion can be accepted and respected, though.

nocorras said:


I respect your opinion, I just think it's wrong.

Kirua- said:

Yes. You sound like there's always a special condition that has to be met before an opinion can be accepted and respected, though.

HentaiPriest said:
Well yeah, if you cant explain why you have that opinion then it doesnt matter what you think.

fst said:

This subforum is a reality distortion field in which the subjective opinion that F/Z is worse becomes an objective fact. Source: literally any mention of F/Z in this subforum.

Or, in a more meta sense, understand that the difference between the two is so great that it is unlikely that people will like them both equally and will have a preference for one over the other, if only due to stylistic differences. Inevitably, it will usually be whichever one was experienced first. Consequently,this is amplified due to it being the rally cry for the "secondaries" who got into the franchise in the wrong way, even if most of them did so back when DEEN's adaptation was all there was.

BotatoPriest said:
I usually just ignore that because the discussions turn ugly quickly.

Unless the provided reasons to support the FZ is better/FSN is worse arguments are stupid. By that I mean the usual case of shitting on FSN for the exact same things FZ does, and praising FZ for the exact same things FSN does.

mickdrew_99 said:

Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

SwordHand said:


Can somebody translate this for me?

SwordHand said:


Can somebody translate this for me?

SwordHand said:


Can somebody translate this for me?

nocorras said:
I respect your opinion, I just think it's wrong. I don't find the great depth to Fate/Zero you do and I don't think it's better.

SwordHand said:
A lot of people here like both Zero and Stay Night. It's just that when people blatantly say that Zero is better than Stay Night, we're obligated to push the other way.

HentaiPriest said:
Well yeah, if you cant explain why you have that opinion then it doesnt matter what you think.

CookingPriest said:
Oh come on there's nothing confusing in that quote. Mike is talking about chaos theory and how chaotic inconsistencies inside the greater sequence, form their own order. Thus in itself, the unpredictability of one's action, eventually becomes an inevitability of the one's course of direction.

Shrimperor said:
Guys,
why don't you....

right right, i am not supposed to make sense here, right?

CookingPriest said:
Oh come on there's nothing confusing in that quote. Mike is talking about chaos theory and how chaotic inconsistencies inside the greater sequence, form their own order. Thus in itself, the unpredictability of one's action, eventually becomes an inevitability of the one's course of direction.

Kirua- said:

Well, alrighty then.


I like both, too. This series really gets me hyped, but so far, if I had to decide, I prefer F/Z. I think it has a darker vibe (that I probably get because there's no single school appearing in F/Z, and because the characters are mainly adults), and I'm just digging that.

In F/SN, I can't get (I'm going to say it now, kill me) Rin to like because she's WAY TOO tsundere imo. And Shiro is just annoying. While Kiritsugu and Shiro have pretty much the same ideals, Kiritsugu has guts.


I'm not going to type a full review now, so I hope the reasons above can satisfy you? You probably won't be able to follow it, but it's not like my opinion is going to matter even if I explain it.

BotatoPriest said:
Indeed. Making sense is overrated on MAL, no one likes that shit.

Kirua- said:

Well, alrighty then.


I like both, too. This series really gets me hyped, but so far, if I had to decide, I prefer F/Z. I think it has a darker vibe (that I probably get because there's no single school appearing in F/Z, and because the characters are mainly adults), and I'm just digging that.

In F/SN, I can't get (I'm going to say it now, kill me) Rin to like because she's WAY TOO tsundere imo. And Shiro is just annoying. While Kiritsugu and Shiro have pretty much the same ideals, Kiritsugu has guts.


I'm not going to type a full review now, so I hope the reasons above can satisfy you? You probably won't be able to follow it, but it's not like my opinion is going to matter even if I explain it.

fst said:


I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you've just demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about so, so much for that.

HentaiPriest said:
Yes I am too stupid for your review that will just explain in clever words why you prefer an adult serial killer more than a guy that "doesnt have the guts" to fight and even sacrifice himself for others.

HentaiPriest said:
You have "read" FSN and watched Fz but you still remain a secondary.

Kirua- said:

You aren't too stupid, you just have a different opinion. And yes, I prefer an adult serial kill with idiotic ideals over a gutless kid with idiotic ideals, even if the development of Shiro is quite impressively done.


Am I supposed to care about that? What is the advantage of being primary? And who decides who is secondary and who is primary anyway?

I'm fine with secondary. I'm just breaking MAL's ultimate law of publicly uttering an opinion.

Kirua- said:

You aren't too stupid, you just have a different opinion. And yes, I prefer an adult serial kill with idiotic ideals over a gutless kid with idiotic ideals, even if the development of Shiro is quite impressively done.


Am I supposed to care about that? What is the advantage of being primary? And who decides who is secondary and who is primary anyway?

I'm fine with secondary. I'm just breaking MAL's ultimate law of publicly uttering an opinion.

Kirua- said:
because there's no single school appearing in F/Z

nocorras said:


How is Shirou gutless? He's quite willing to die for his ideals and save someone else over himself. He fought in his belief for his ideals.

If anyone is gutless it's Kerry for never trying to adapt and not murder everyone he comes across.

Kirua- said:

I'm fine with secondary. I'm just breaking MAL's ultimate law of publicly uttering an opinion.

Aurioch said:


First episode.

Clock tower.

Kayneth teaches students.

Waver is a student.

School pretty much?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:



Your opinion.........sure. But why are you so hell bent on proving it a a fact when it's not?

You don't like "Shirou" and "FZ is darker" according to you..........good for you. But how about not throwing around delusional words like gutless or other BS? Besides i have my doubt whether you have "read" anything other than FZ at all.