Okashi--chan said: FloatsBoats said: Probably if you're like me and have trouble taking things as mindless fun, it's a bit annoying how it expects you to believe half of the plans Shiro makes up. They just seem like massive asspulls which is fairly insulting to the viewer. I didn't think people actually took NGNL seriously. it was meant to be mindless fun. Then why does a good majority of fans wank on about how smart the main characters are when they really just pull stuff out of their ass. |
FloatsBoats said: Okashi--chan said: I didn't think people actually took NGNL seriously. it was meant to be mindless fun. Then why does a good majority of fans wank on about how smart the main characters are when they really just pull stuff out of their ass. Another thing i don't understand. Blank is a gary stu thrown in a world made especially for them, where they can use their potentials to the full. and if they were really that smart they could have handled real life better. they are just thrown into a game that fits them perfectly. so everything they do which is supposed to be smart is just a normal feat for them. everyone has something they are good at. and when they do all the time ofc they would look smart and cunning. am i making sense? |
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Okashi--chan said: That's why, they are fun to watchFloatsBoats said: Then why does a good majority of fans wank on about how smart the main characters are when they really just pull stuff out of their ass. Another thing i don't understand. Blank is a gary stu thrown in a world made especially for them, where they can use their potentials to the full. and if they were really that smart they could have handled real life better. they are just thrown into a game that fits them perfectly. so everything they do which is supposed to be smart is just a normal feat for them. everyone has something they are good at. and when they do all the time ofc they would look smart and cunning. am i making sense? |
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GangstaPriest said: Saint Seiya probably takes the cake. I mean, I like the universe and all, but damn, the level of stupidity is just too damn high at times. I've watched 6 episodes and I confirm this. |
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tr1ckst3r said: If you read the light novel you would better understand. The anime tries to explain everything the best it can but the LN covers everything extensively to help you understand the magic system.Mahouka Kouko No Reiitosei make me feel like a retard. They try to explain literaly everything about magic, and I still don't understand it. SeibaaHomu said: BS. How could the magic system have no relevance to the story?You don't even need to understand the magic system. It has no relevance to the story or the character's development. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Because it doesn't. SeibaaHomu said: BS. How could the magic system have no relevance to the story?You don't even need to understand the magic system. It has no relevance to the story or the character's development. I tried listening to all the magic jargon at first but after a while I got really bored. So once I got to a certain point I just gave up and stopped paying attention during those parts. Yet for some inexplicable reason I still completely understood everything that was going on outside of those conversations. Personally I don't see infodumps as an inherently bad thing. Sometimes listening during parts like that and not just crying about the fact that it's an infodump can help you appreciate the series more. What makes Mahouka bad is that said pointless infodumps are not only boring but completely useless too. What makes it even worse is that they happen all the god damn time. If they cut out all the magical jargon bullshit and focused on the generic story on characters more they could probably cut it down to 12 or 13 episodes. It would be incredibly mediocre and forgettable but for Mahouka that would be a big improvement. |
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SeibaaHomu said: It does. It seems the problem is your low attention span. I really doubt you understood everything. The info dumps are important for understanding what's happening without them people would be crying about asspulls and plot holes.DrGeroCreation said: Because it doesn't. BS. How could the magic system have no relevance to the story? I tried listening to all the magic jargon at first but after a while I got really bored. So once I got to a certain point I just gave up and stopped paying attention during those parts. Yet for some inexplicable reason I still completely understood everything that was going on outside of those conversations. Personally I don't see infodumps as an inherently bad thing. Sometimes listening during parts like that and not just crying about the fact that it's an infodump can help you appreciate the series more. What makes Mahouka bad is that said pointless infodumps are not only boring but completely useless too. What makes it even worse is that they happen all the god damn time. If they cut out all the magical jargon bullshit and focused on the generic story on characters more they could probably cut it down to 12 or 13 episodes. It would be incredibly mediocre and forgettable but for Mahouka that would be a big improvement. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Fate/Zero had a lot of dialogue and while it can get a little boring at times I always try to pay attention during those scenes. In a show with such an incredibly grand storyline that explores a lot of complex themes and has a huge cast of characters with all sorts of conflicting ideologies it all ultimately serves a purpose.It does. It seems the problem is your low attention span. Mahouka is just some fucking magic highschool show. There's literally nothing complex or unique about the story, the themes, the setting or the cast that merits such long, drawn out conversations to explain what's going on. It's just one guy using his useless knowledge about computer programming to hide that he can't write for shit. I really doubt you understood everything. There's not really much to it. Highschool politics, discrimination, magic tournaments, it's all been done a million times already. The only difference is that Mahouka pretends to be smarter than them without doing anything smart.The info dumps are important for understanding what's happening without them people would be crying about asspulls and plot holes. The only reason Mahouka doesn't have anything like 'asspulls' or 'plot holes' is because the author's too afraid to step out of his little comfort zone of tried and tested cliches. What the author doesn't seem to realise is that his story has way bigger problems than a few plot holes as a result |
SeibaaHomuOct 2, 2014 8:37 PM
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| @SeibaaHomu The magic in Mahouka is a lot different than traditional magic you find in other anime so there needs to be more explanation. Magic in Mahouka isn't the typical hocus pocus magic you would find in other magic shows like Harry Potter etc., in Mahouka magic is like a science and Mahouka itself is basically a sci fi show. So of course you will get a lot of sci fi techno babble. Mahouka has one of the most unique magic systems in anime and an awesome futuristic Cold War setting . If you really understood everything then explain to me why Tatsuya is so op yet he failed the practical exam and is considered a false magician by certain people? Mahouka has no plot holes and asspulls because the author explains everything and properly foreshadows things. |
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jal90 said: 1-Japanese culture is more into theatrical expression than the Western ones. Are you sure? Hollywood movies are very dramatic. Though I find Japanese culture to be more into "very heavy expression" (for lack of a better word). Characters are more serious and react more strongly to stimuli. 2-The intended audience. Anime is heavily divided into demographics and appeals to specific niches, the movies you mention don't have an intended audience per se. Indeed. But to be accessible every TV or film will tend to explain more than it strictly needs to. So it's natural if you notice something being explained that you already figured out before. I noticed that for instance when watching Psycho Pass which is a very sophisticated adult series. |
Cakedog said: Chimera Ant arc from Hunter x Hunter 2011. Treated audience like retards, or wanted retards to feel smarter than they actually were. Tricked retards into thinking it was "deep" in some way. But much deep, very artistic, such psychology, wow |
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whitehairkaneki said: Because japans fanbase is really odd they perfer fan service over a good story and you know i'm right. *prefer Because Japan is sex country jal90 said: 1-Japanese culture is more into theatrical expression than the Western ones. 2-The intended audience. Anime is heavily divided into demographics and appeals to specific niches, the movies you mention don't have an intended audience per se. 3-Fansubs may play a role in there, because many commonplace expressions and interactions can be difficult to translate and make them feel unnatural for our standards. ^ this Hoppy said: The reason many anime explain everything is because not everyone even in Japan has read or played the source material to every anime. ^ this everytime skyscan said: You should try watching, "My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU", "Monster", or "Fate/Zero". I think maybe you're looking for something in the wrong form on entertainment. Most anime is goofy and retarded because Japanese like goofy and retarded. Their society is a lot more serious than western society. When they want to wind down they don't want to have some existential crisis or what-have-you thrown at their face. But ''My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU'' is an Otaku Pandering. Anime is always Unrealistic in my own opinion, no need to apply logic. |
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DrGeroCreation said: If it had any significant relevance in the series outside of diverting your attention away from how flawed and lazily written everything else is then I'd agree but that's obviously not the case. The magic in Mahouka is a lot different than traditional magic you find in other anime so there needs to be more explanation. Magic in Mahouka isn't the typical hocus pocus magic you would find in other magic shows like Harry Potter etc., in Mahouka magic is like a science and Mahouka itself is basically a sci fi show. So of course you will get a lot of sci fi techno babble. Wow, you're absolutely right. Can't believe I've never thought about it that way. So, let's look at it as a sci-fi series and see if it changes anything.In a good sci-fi series the techno babble would have some sort of story or character driven purpose for being in there if they spent ages talking about it like in Mahouka. Mahouka is a classic example of a bad sci-fi series which just shoves jargon down your throat to sound smart without actually saying anything smart. Well, that doesn't sound all that different from what I said before. In other words, that point is irrelevant. Mahouka has one of the most unique magic systems in anime and an awesome futuristic Cold War setting . You ever think that the reason why no one's tried what Mahouka is doing is because it's a bad idea? Also the whole Cold War thing doesn't change the fact that the place they spend most of their time in is Magic Highschool #54398.If you really understood everything then explain to me why Tatsuya is so op yet he failed the practical exam and is considered a false magician by certain people? So he can be overpowered AND play an unfairly oppressed minority of course! I mean, what do you suggest? A story where the lead character is the smartest guy in the world AND duly recongised for his talent? What kind of show has themes about discrimination where the lead character isn't in some way unfairly oppressed? Certainly not the shows the author of Mahouka plagiarised I can tell you that much.Treating students as academically inferior because of their shitty test results may make perfect sense on paper. But if someone like Tatsuya whose obviously way smarter and less naive than the pretty much all of the Blooms is in the Weeds then the system must be broken! What horrible discrimination! Oh, but casual Xenophobia against the Chinese is A OK. Mahouka has no plot holes and asspulls because the author explains everything and properly foreshadows things. There's no plot holes and asspulls because the story never even ventures into territory where that's a possibility. It just stays in its little bubble away from all the bad things. Which actually ends up making it way worse than a plot hole ridden show like Guilty Crown because it never takes any risks. It's boring and dumb. |
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| Magic in Mahouka Kouko no Reittosei is more like a gadget or tool that manipulate everything it can manipulate to create some anomalies that people in that world call magic, I can still understand thing to this point. The thing that make me feel like a retard is How Tatsuya programming all those thing while explaining what is he doing and when he analyze situation that magic is concerned in it or explaining about how that magic work is what make me feel like a retard. He spouting all those thing smoothly and easily while I'm on the other side don't even understand a shit about what is he talking about. |
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tr1ckst3r said: Well the thread is 'treats you like a retard' not 'makes you feel like a retard'.Magic in Mahouka Kouko no Reittosei is more like a gadget or tool that manipulate everything it can manipulate to create some anomalies that people in that world call magic, I can still understand thing to this point. The thing that make me feel like a retard is How Tatsuya programming all those thing while explaining what is he doing and when he analyze situation that magic is concerned in it or explaining about how that magic work is what make me feel like a retard. He spouting all those thing smoothly and easily while I'm on the other side don't even understand a shit about what is he talking about. Basically, a show that assumes you're a complete imbecile and talks down to you. |
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SeibaaHomu said: tr1ckst3r said: Well the thread is 'treats you like a retard' not 'makes you feel like a retard'.Magic in Mahouka Kouko no Reittosei is more like a gadget or tool that manipulate everything it can manipulate to create some anomalies that people in that world call magic, I can still understand thing to this point. The thing that make me feel like a retard is How Tatsuya programming all those thing while explaining what is he doing and when he analyze situation that magic is concerned in it or explaining about how that magic work is what make me feel like a retard. He spouting all those thing smoothly and easily while I'm on the other side don't even understand a shit about what is he talking about. Basically, a show that assumes you're a complete imbecile and talks down to you. Then I'll go with CA Arc Narrator. |
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DrGeroCreation said: tr1ckst3r said: If you read the light novel you would better understand. The anime tries to explain everything the best it can but the LN covers everything extensively to help you understand the magic system.Mahouka Kouko No Reiitosei make me feel like a retard. They try to explain literaly everything about magic, and I still don't understand it. SeibaaHomu said: BS. How could the magic system have no relevance to the story?You don't even need to understand the magic system. It has no relevance to the story or the character's development. "read the light novel"...as if I wanted to read the light novel just to get more irrelevant info dumps LOL. What good does any of that do, when all conflict is resolved by the main character having god like powers. Any kind of tension is supressed by that Tatsuya character...Piece of shit writing renders all explanation about "magic" useless |
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GangstaPriest said: Saint Seiya probably takes the cake. I mean, I like the universe and all, but damn, the level of stupidity is just too damn high at times. ^This I'm surprised no one mentioned this Also some of the Bullshit Hokuto No Ken tends to come up with,It went full retard in the second half where it expects me to forget Major plotpoints that happened before and just go with the flow (some of which you were being reminded every episode) |
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ninjastarforcex said: narrator in chimera arc treat me like a retard, explaining in detail every single obvious things happening fuck you narrator HxH's Narrator was perfect. It is Togashi's fault for over-explaining shit. |
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genesic123 said: One piece. You could die before it ends. Glad I dropped out if it early. Stupidly long fights.Characters suriving killer moves.Injuries having no meaning.No clue on what the one piece is.Being "another island" arcs. I guess Japaense otaku corporate has forced and advertised this series above all else. Cause no one in their right mind could willfully read one piece without "peer pressure" 5/10. You can certainly do better. The bolded was pretty good though. |
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genesic123 said: RedRoseFring said: 5/10. You can certainly do better. The bolded was pretty good though. Then whats 10/10..... One Piece of course. Silly you. |
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genesic123 said: I guess Japaense otaku corporate has forced and advertised this series above all else. I don't think you know what otaku means, but given your shoujo thread, I'm not surprised at all. |
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genesic123 said: One piece. You could die before it ends. Glad I dropped out if it early. Stupidly long fights.Characters suriving killer moves.Injuries having no meaning.No clue on what the one piece is.Being "another island" arcs. I guess Japaense otaku corporate has forced and advertised this series above all else. Cause no one in their right mind could willfully read one piece without "peer pressure" WOW.....I wonder based on what AMAZING evidence you made this GLORIUS Deduction |
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-Klad- said: ninjastarforcex said: narrator in chimera arc treat me like a retard, explaining in detail every single obvious things happening fuck you narrator Fuck you too. HxH's Narrator was perfect. It is Togashi's fault for over-explaining shit. I took them a good episode to climb up some stairs because of the narrator explaining every fucking thing about them stairs. (Pretty sure it was episode 112) |
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M3k4toku said: But stair are really hard to climb you know..-Klad- said: Fuck you too. HxH's Narrator was perfect. It is Togashi's fault for over-explaining shit. I took them a good episode to climb up some stairs because of the narrator explaining every fucking thing about them stairs. (Pretty sure it was episode 112) |
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Milk_is_Special said: M3k4toku said: But stair are really hard to climb you know..I took them a good episode to climb up some stairs because of the narrator explaining every fucking thing about them stairs. (Pretty sure it was episode 112) i climb up the stair really fast but take down the stair really slow, i dont know why |
ninjastarforcex said: Wow, we do exactly the same.Milk_is_Special said: But stair are really hard to climb you know.. i climb up the stair really fast but take down the stair really slow, i dont know why |
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So they decide let's just have the enemy explain everything he did during these years, their entire background, what he saw on his way home that one time on the buss, how they hate each other and how he will disembowel him at the end of this two hour long conversation.* No different from the "Bond Villain Speech" (as the formerly-useful tropes site calls it) that's common across all kinds of media. |
SeibaaHomu said: It does have significant relevance in the series because it helps you to get a better understanding about Tatsuya (the protagonist) and the different abilities that the other characters possess.If it had any significant relevance in the series outside of diverting your attention away from how flawed and lazily written everything else is then I'd agree but that's obviously not the case. SeibaaHomu said: As I have said before the magic system in Mahouka helps you to better understand Tatsuya (I will explain this later in the post) it also helps you to understand the world in Mahouka. In Mahouka magic is a type of science that can be aided by technology that's why you have the use of CADs. Mahouka isn't trying to sound smart it just has an in depth strategic magic system.Wow, you're absolutely right. Can't believe I've never thought about it that way. So, let's look at it as a sci-fi series and see if it changes anything. In a good sci-fi series the techno babble would have some sort of story or character driven purpose for being in there if they spent ages talking about it like in Mahouka. Mahouka is a classic example of a bad sci-fi series which just shoves jargon down your throat to sound smart without actually saying anything smart. SeibaaHomu said: No I don't believe so. I believe that other authors are too lazy and uncreative to create a magic system like that. It's a lot easier to create a typical , simplistic hocus pocus magic system. It doesn't matter if the anime is set in high school or not the Cold War setting is still evident and plays a part in the story. We can clearly see that in the Yokohama Disturbance arc where the GAA planted spies in First High in order to steal the You ever think that the reason why no one's tried what Mahouka is doing is because it's a bad idea? Also the whole Cold War thing doesn't change the fact that the place they spend most of their time in is Magic Highschool #54398. SeibaaHomu said: [b] INCORRECT [/b] This post completely shows me that you really don't understand everything.Tatsuya not doing good in the practical exam had absolutely nothing to do with him being a Weed . Tatsuya actually did very well in the written exam but didn't do well in the practical exam because he isn't very good at systematic type magic (which is the main classification of magic in Mahouka) . Tatsuya actually was born So he can be overpowered AND play an unfairly oppressed minority of course! I mean, what do you suggest? A story where the lead character is the smartest guy in the world AND duly recongised for his talent? What kind of show has themes about discrimination where the lead character isn't in some way unfairly oppressed? Certainly not the shows the author of Mahouka plagiarised I can tell you that much. Treating students as academically inferior because of their shitty test results may make perfect sense on paper. But if someone like Tatsuya whose obviously way smarter and less naive than the pretty much all of the Blooms is in the Weeds then the system must be broken! What horrible discrimination! SeibaaHomu said: This shows me that you are just taking talking points from online because you haven't even reached the ending of the 9SC arc or started the Yokohama Disturbance arc yet. Oh, but casual Xenophobia against the Chinese is A OK. SeibaaHomu said: I have no idea what you are talking about. What risks should it be taking?There's no plot holes and asspulls because the story never even ventures into territory where that's a possibility. It just stays in its little bubble away from all the bad things. Which actually ends up making it way worse than a plot hole ridden show like Guilty Crown because it never takes any risks. |
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genesic123 said: vongola-undecimo said: WOW.....I wonder based on what AMAZING evidence you made this GLORIUS Deduction The anime...... Not the fans themselves....that just means Bullshit |
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mayukachan said: Cinix said: I mean seriously I choose a random anime and 9.9/10 times I will face palm at least once within the minute. lol it's pretty easy to find a good anime though avoid bad anime /thread ^This Why the hell would anyone, watch a random anime lmao. Watching crappy anime is no ones fault but the moron watching the crappy anime. 99.9999999999% of the time, It's easy to tell a anime is gonna suck, and seriously it Isn't that hard to spot the good anime, It's not like a needle in a hey stack(well not for good or very good anime anyway, high end greats are another matter altogether). |
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