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Jul 30, 2014 2:32 PM

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Doubt it.

If you look only 80 anime series are even being targetted.

This is really a crusade against manga scanslating because japan has realized nobody is willing to spend 9.99 to own a fucking 5 minute worth of reading book with pictures.

Your cosmopolitan attitude is admirable. What a charming person you are.


What kind of description is Cosmopolitan? I mean, he's not discriminating against Japs, so using it as irony doesn't make any sense. It sure as hell isn't saying anything about Economic cause the 10 bucks a volume thing is BS.

They sell it over there for $5, we demand it same here!
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Jul 30, 2014 2:35 PM

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I still can't get over how Japan is shooting itself in the foot by doing this.

How the hell do they think that people all over the world even know about their anime, manga, visual novel, and light novels?

Answer: the internet.

Shit, I own numerous anime figurines and at least a couple hundred manga volumes. Almost none of which I would have ever purchased if it weren't for initial exposure to these titles via the internet.
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GodlyKyon said:
Rachmaninow said:

Your cosmopolitan attitude is admirable. What a charming person you are.


What kind of description is Cosmopolitan? I mean, he's not discriminating against Japs, so using it as irony doesn't make any sense. It sure as hell isn't saying anything about Economic cause the 10 bucks a volume thing is BS.

They sell it over there for $5, we demand it same here!


that well never happen if you consdier that fact the DVD and BR prices for anime are to low
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Jul 30, 2014 2:47 PM
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What was it about Sadpanda and shutting down? That's not the case right now right?
Jul 30, 2014 2:52 PM

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FGAU1912 said:
DVD and BR prices for anime are to low


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Jul 30, 2014 2:53 PM
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FGAU1912 said:
GodlyKyon said:


What kind of description is Cosmopolitan? I mean, he's not discriminating against Japs, so using it as irony doesn't make any sense. It sure as hell isn't saying anything about Economic cause the 10 bucks a volume thing is BS.

They sell it over there for $5, we demand it same here!


that well never happen if you consdier that fact the DVD and BR prices for anime are to low

Y-yeah, right.
Try buying a 12 episode anime for €120
Jul 30, 2014 2:55 PM

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I'm so damn glad it's only 80 series. I hope none are my favorites, and then if they are I hope none are not found on any legal sites.
Jul 30, 2014 2:57 PM
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IntroverTurtle said:
I'm so damn glad it's only 80 series. I hope none are my favorites, and then if they are I hope none are not found on any legal sites.

Since it's most likely the mainstream ones you could just watch them on CrunchyRoll..
But if it get uploaded there.. Yeah you know
Jul 30, 2014 3:02 PM
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Harutora_Rin said:
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that well never happen if you consdier that fact the DVD and BR prices for anime are to low

Y-yeah, right.
Try buying a 12 episode anime for €120


that ariund 40% cheaper than a full show here
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Jul 30, 2014 3:04 PM

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AO968 said:


A lot of those DDL sites are also on the list (like HostFile, RapidGator, etc.). Worst-case scenario, XDCC will be the only option left to download what we want, meaning I have to re-active my IRC client and relearn all that I had forgotten, assuming all the torrent sites go down (which I doubt, but you can never be too careful).


The ones I care about isn't.

Jul 30, 2014 3:08 PM

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Harutora_Rin said:
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I'm so damn glad it's only 80 series. I hope none are my favorites, and then if they are I hope none are not found on any legal sites.

Since it's most likely the mainstream ones you could just watch them on CrunchyRoll..
But if it get uploaded there.. Yeah you know
That's what I was hoping. Crunchyroll or possibly Hulu.
Jul 30, 2014 3:08 PM
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Just saw this.

The sky is not falling. The anti-piracy effort is not to close down whole sites. It is to remove certain specific manga or anime titles. There are approx 500 manga titles and 80 anime titles to be removed as part of the anti-piracy effort.

And it is also wrong to use only one train of thought to judge a japanese anime producer or studio. Certain titles they want to protect its video sales and certain titles they might even like to have more reverse import piracy. It all depends on how the production contracts were signed and how the revenue is generated. If the money is almost all generated by merchandise sales and it was setup to be an infomercial anime from the start, then they generally want the anime to spread. If certain producers are dependent on TV ad revenue or the studio's contract made it dependent on video sales instead of merchandise sales, then those entities don't want videos to spread.
Jul 30, 2014 3:11 PM

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FGAU1912 said:
Harutora_Rin said:

Y-yeah, right.
Try buying a 12 episode anime for €120


that ariund 40% cheaper than a full show here


I'd do almost anything for $120-$180 BD sets in Japan.


Jul 30, 2014 3:12 PM

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Harutora_Rin said:

What was it about Sadpanda and shutting down? That's not the case right now right?


I haven't been keeping up with it but it's got something to do with Fakku, Wani, CnDs and apparently Sadpanda isn't allowing new uploads currently. So yeah.

There's a thread about sadpanda's ongoing troubles too. About 50 a day for the past week, actually. People aren't happy with Fakku it appears. https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/111283733 - This thread will probably 404 soon.
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Hoppy said:
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that ariund 40% cheaper than a full show here


I'd do almost anything for $120-$180 BD sets in Japan.


i know right
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Jul 30, 2014 3:17 PM

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Someone ''subbed'' THAT (MAG) video.Rejoice.

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iLostReason said:
Someone ''subbed'' THAT video.Rejoice.


I don't want to see that piece of shit.
I'd rather watch Boku no Pico than that
Jul 30, 2014 3:24 PM

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Harutora_Rin said:
I don't want to see that piece of shit.
I'd rather watch Boku no Pico than that

Good luck with that
Jul 30, 2014 3:29 PM

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iLostReason said:
Someone ''subbed'' THAT (MAG) video.Rejoice.



Wow, that was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

It has inspired me to pay for anime and manga with money I don't have.
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Jul 30, 2014 3:35 PM

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I like the idea someone posted a few pages ago, "AniSteam". As long as it eventually had most shows available for everyone, I'd pay without a doubt.
Jul 30, 2014 3:37 PM
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Kalypze said:
I like the idea someone posted a few pages ago, "AniSteam". As long as it eventually had most shows available for everyone, I'd pay without a doubt.

That will sadly never come
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Jul 30, 2014 4:08 PM

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He~h, I skimmed through the .pdf a bit and looks like they actually seriously think about the issue (not just "let's destroy pirrracy") and how to answer to the fans' wishes (main principle was said to be "less illegal sites" + "more legal sites" -> less piracy). They unexpectedly also considered factors such as availability, easy access and such. And while the initial announcement seemed to concentrate on Chinese piracy, there was quite a focus on America (USA?). It was funny to see that chart with Americans being willing to pay more for both manga and anime than Japanese, too XD Oh, and I think someone in this thread said they should do something like with iTunes -- that was also taken into consideration :O
Jul 30, 2014 4:11 PM

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FGAU1912 said:
GodlyKyon said:


What kind of description is Cosmopolitan? I mean, he's not discriminating against Japs, so using it as irony doesn't make any sense. It sure as hell isn't saying anything about Economic cause the 10 bucks a volume thing is BS.

They sell it over there for $5, we demand it same here!


that well never happen if you consdier that fact the DVD and BR prices for anime are to low


What? What does that have to do with Manga? DVD and BR?
Harutora_Rin said:
FGAU1912 said:


that well never happen if you consdier that fact the DVD and BR prices for anime are to low

Y-yeah, right.
Try buying a 12 episode anime for €120


Does this mean its too expensive??
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Jul 30, 2014 4:11 PM
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Face_Faith said:
He~h, I skimmed through the .pdf a bit and looks like they actually seriously think about the issue (not just "let's destroy pirrracy") and how to answer to the fans' wishes (main principle was said to be "less illegal sites" + "more legal sites" -> less piracy). They unexpectedly also considered factors such as availability, easy access and such. And while the initial announcement seemed to concentrate on Chinese piracy, there was quite a focus on America (USA?). It was funny to see that chart with Americans being willing to pay more for both manga and anime than Japanese, too XD Oh, and I think someone in this thread said they should do something like with iTunes -- that was also taken into consideration :O

That's the problem. They made a site already and most of its content is only available in America.
They're not thinking about Europeans, we don't have any legal solutions and i'm not going to wait 10 years for something like that to happen
Jul 30, 2014 4:15 PM

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DerpHole said:
iLostReason said:
Someone ''subbed'' THAT (MAG) video.Rejoice.



Wow, that was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

It has inspired me to pay for anime and manga with money I don't have.


Still not gonna do it unless I can walk into a manga shop and buy it with $5.
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Jul 30, 2014 4:39 PM

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It's actually pretty ridiculous if they think they can totally stop anime/manga piracy all of a sudden.
Jul 30, 2014 4:40 PM

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Kalypze said:
I like the idea someone posted a few pages ago, "AniSteam". As long as it eventually had most shows available for everyone, I'd pay without a doubt.

We all would.
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Jul 30, 2014 4:43 PM

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does this mean I wont be able to watch anime or read manga on websites now (like anilinkz for example)?
Jul 30, 2014 4:45 PM

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Harutora_Rin said:
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He~h, I skimmed through the .pdf a bit and looks like they actually seriously think about the issue (not just "let's destroy pirrracy") and how to answer to the fans' wishes (main principle was said to be "less illegal sites" + "more legal sites" -> less piracy). They unexpectedly also considered factors such as availability, easy access and such. And while the initial announcement seemed to concentrate on Chinese piracy, there was quite a focus on America (USA?). It was funny to see that chart with Americans being willing to pay more for both manga and anime than Japanese, too XD Oh, and I think someone in this thread said they should do something like with iTunes -- that was also taken into consideration :O

That's the problem. They made a site already and most of its content is only available in America.
They're not thinking about Europeans, we don't have any legal solutions and i'm not going to wait 10 years for something like that to happen

Darn D; I'm also from Europe, but because I would rather read the Japanese original, if they do this based on regions or something, that'd be a problem (still better than nothing if there was something for Europeans, though).
However, in the .pdf, there was a list of countries and whether there is a legal service available or not and since there were such available in the USA, Canada, other countries where English is spoken, France and Japan while only partly in the others that were listed, it would be strange if they didn't consider other countries/people (even if at a later point of the process) than America(ns). Actually, because of a lack of such legal services, if it wasn't for the number of pirates, it might have even made more sense to prioritise everyone else...
Additionally, there were some people from the USA, Japan and France asked about the issue and someone (I believe from France) said that smaller countries should also be integrated in a possible new system and names Ecuadorians as an example.
So with at least these two issues mentioned there, I do think they will include viewers/readers from smaller/other countries as well.
Sigh~ Something like a region lock would be as exhausting as so many Japanese online stores refusing to take my money... ~.~
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This is so pathetic. I highly doubt this would work. And if it does, I really don't think it could affect me.


Jul 30, 2014 5:00 PM

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Lmao, that's cute.
Jul 30, 2014 5:05 PM

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Let the hate flow through us.
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If they manage to really delete 80 anime i care about i'll just pirate my way through google
Jul 30, 2014 5:18 PM

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Oh~, I see, the website isn't just up, but it seems already ready for use and looks like there's no region lock. I think when DAISUKI started, there were only very few things online then. But right now the English titles seems to be officially translated ones. If they restrict the number of works to that (which shouldn't be the case because it was again and again stated in the .pdf that a huge number of titles and easy accessability are important), it would be obvious that some smaller countries without official translations won't make it there... I imagined something different from the information in the file, but it's not like the site cannot be enhanced and/or changed.
Okay, just read the "Guardians" text there a bit.
"Piracy offending in Anime has been also serious. Pirated video of a popular feature-length Anime has over 12 million views on a well-known video hosting site, which should have brought in a lot of illicit profits to the “pirate” from advertisement space."
If this new service is supposed to be official, couldn't they also use ads like that (as someone suggested here before) since their service is legal...?
Jul 30, 2014 5:30 PM
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Face_Faith said:
Oh~, I see, the website isn't just up, but it seems already ready for use and looks like there's no region lock. I think when DAISUKI started, there were only very few things online then. But right now the English titles seems to be officially translated ones. If they restrict the number of works to that (which shouldn't be the case because it was again and again stated in the .pdf that a huge number of titles and easy accessability are important), it would be obvious that some smaller countries without official translations won't make it there... I imagined something different from the information in the file, but it's not like the site cannot be enhanced and/or changed.
Okay, just read the "Guardians" text there a bit.
"Piracy offending in Anime has been also serious. Pirated video of a popular feature-length Anime has over 12 million views on a well-known video hosting site, which should have brought in a lot of illicit profits to the “pirate” from advertisement space."
If this new service is supposed to be official, couldn't they also use ads like that (as someone suggested here before) since their service is legal...?

I find the selection of that site very close to 0
And since they'll only ask to delete 80 animes i don't see a reason to use. And if i want to pay for something i'd like the physical copy but those cost around €120
At the very least, i could replace those 80 animes with Crunchyroll since €5 isn't worth anything.
I'm just not seeing the appeal in that website, they should've done a better job
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I'm not that worried about the anime...

But what about my manga TT^TT

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kami_desu said:
I'm not that worried about the anime...

But what about my manga TT^TT

Since they want 500 manga titles deleted i think it'll be hard to download/ read any manga online for the upcoming 5 months
Jul 30, 2014 5:41 PM
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Closing the only decent options for anime is not exactly how to export their culture. Less people are going to be watching anime. Anyway, when will Japan improve their anime distribution method instead of using piracy as a scapegoat flor their failures? Seems to be popular these days. Selling badly? Damn pirates! Selling well? We're awesome... huh, what pirates?

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Closing the only decent options for anime is not exactly how to export their culture. Less people are going to be watching anime. Anyway, when will Japan improve their anime distribution method instead of using piracy as a scapegoat flor their failures? Seems to be popular these days. Selling badly? Damn pirates! Selling well? We're awesome... huh, what pirates?


im sorry the us does not export it well either as doraemon dub and the raping of Crayon Shin chan proves
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BatoKusanagi said:
Closing the only decent options for anime is not exactly how to export their culture. Less people are going to be watching anime. Anyway, when will Japan improve their anime distribution method instead of using piracy as a scapegoat flor their failures? Seems to be popular these days. Selling badly? Damn pirates! Selling well? We're awesome... huh, what pirates?

They will try but fail. That site that they put up.. Its the damn Apocalypse itself.
Not even Love Hina or something only the mainstream shit.
Mark my words, the anime/manga that'll get lost now will come back before 2015
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So is there a list of the targeted anime and manga yet?
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So is there a list of the targeted anime and manga yet?

Nope, but i would imagine being the animes that don't sell shit over in Japan
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So is there a list of the targeted anime and manga yet?

Nope, but i would imagine being the animes that don't sell shit over in Japan


So mainstream shit is safe?
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DrizzyXP said:
Harutora_Rin said:

Nope, but i would imagine being the animes that don't sell shit over in Japan


So mainstream shit is safe?

I would guess so but, it could be the other way around
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I'm not that worried about the anime...

But what about my manga TT^TT


Well, exactly what I am thinking right now. Even I'm only reading 2 ongoing manga right now..... fuck.


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Tennouji_ said:
kami_desu said:
I'm not that worried about the anime...

But what about my manga TT^TT


Well, exactly what I am thinking right now.


mangapanda are run by chinese people i heard so they will not give a fuck but mangastream on the other hand are run by americans and in the past they also quit due to DMCA takedown request so mangastream might go down again
Jul 30, 2014 6:27 PM

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They'll only be cutting their 'hairy barbarian' viewer base in half, that's if it even works in the first place which is doubtful
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They'll only be cutting their 'hairy barbarian' viewer base in half, that's if it even works in the first place which is doubtful

Doubt it with only 80 anime titles getting removed.
As for manga, yeah that will happen
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what a bad news -_-""

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Hopefully they don't take down sites I use to watch anime/read manga.

Why are they doing this now all of a sudden?


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