Sword Art Online II Episode 2 Discussion

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ssjokg said:

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You guys seem to ignore this simple yet effective strategy.

Oh it was used before?Damn it./sarc

And you ignore the"where the hell would he pop up from?"
He just needed half a step to the side.You make it look like like he will duck and cover.

taking a step to the side takes a second or two which allows the others to obliterate him. These are guns, not pebbles.

Jul 13, 2014 9:38 AM

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Glad to see that the majority liked this episode. I liked it as well. We got to see a lot of Sinon and her personality. I also love the new opening theme. It's freaking awesome!!!

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kokkoderrisch said:

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Yes.There are money on the line.

He followed them.Unless if you mean that -supposedly-fucking up a plan is rule breaking.

If there's money on the line why did she say that they should kill themselves instead of logging out?

Sinon doesnt care about the money as much as they do, she has her own problems that will be explained in the next ep.And yes she would rather die by fire than log out.

kokkoderrisch said:

ssjokg said:

Oh it was used before?Damn it./sarc

And you ignore the"where the hell would he pop up from?"
He just needed half a step to the side.You make it look like like he will duck and cover.

taking a step to the side takes a second or two which allows the others to obliterate him. These are guns, not pebbles.

Yeah...

Jul 13, 2014 9:41 AM

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ssjokg said:

kokkoderrisch said:

If there's money on the line why did she say that they should kill themselves instead of logging out?

Sinon doesnt care about the money as much as they do, she has her own problems that will be explained in the next ep.And yes she would rather die by fire than log out.
That's still very stupid.

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taking a step to the side takes a second or two which allows the others to obliterate him. These are guns, not pebbles.

Yeah...

Did you forget that he has a minigun that weighs a ton, plus hundreds of 7.62x51 rounds?

Jul 13, 2014 9:42 AM

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I am not the one that forgot about that some posts ago.

And he was shown to be able to move at least half a step while carrying it and firing.So..
Yeah...

And it is stupid because you say so...ok.

Jul 13, 2014 9:43 AM

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kokkoderrisch said:

ssjokg said:

Sinon doesnt care about the money as much as they do, she has her own problems that will be explained in the next ep.And yes she would rather die by fire than log out.

Yeah...

Did you forget that he has a minigun that weighs a ton, plus hundreds of 7.62x51 rounds?

Watch the scene where Sinon shoots him again, PLEASE, was that 2 seconds? No.

Jul 13, 2014 9:43 AM

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OK, now i like Sinon.

let's do the next episode. thanks.

Jul 13, 2014 9:46 AM

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Botato said:

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Did you forget that he has a minigun that weighs a ton, plus hundreds of 7.62x51 rounds?

Watch the scene where Sinon shoots him again, PLEASE, was that 2 seconds? No.

Maybe because she's not 1.5 KM away from him this time?

Jul 13, 2014 9:48 AM

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kokkoderrisch said:

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Watch the scene where Sinon shoots him again, PLEASE, was that 2 seconds? No.

Maybe because she's not 1.5 KM away from him this time?

What the hell are you smoking, it doesn't matter what the distance is, he needs a fraction of a second to make half a step.

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Now you are talking about how long the bullet needs to reach him not how long it takes him to move.The line appears before the shot is made, that was shown in the ep.

Jul 13, 2014 9:49 AM

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Why isn't everyone using miniguns instead of peashooters? What's the point in even having different weapons if they can be so easily outclassed by a minigun? The speed penalty isn't even a problem when you've got that much power and that it's more accurate than semi auto rifles like the M14 makes no sense.

Jul 13, 2014 9:51 AM

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Botato said:

kokkoderrisch said:

Maybe because she's not 1.5 KM away from him this time?

What the hell are you smoking, it doesn't matter what the distance is, he needs a fraction of a second to make half a step.

That doesn't make any sense, that M82 has the most selective bullet speed of all time. A human generally takes 20/30 milliseconds to react, which would be too late when she's 50 meters away from him.

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kokkoderrisch said:
Why isn't everyone using miniguns instead of peashooters? What's the point in even having different weapons if they can be so easily outclassed by a minigun? The speed penalty isn't even a problem when you've got that much power and that it's more accurate than semi auto rifles like the M14 makes no sense.

Because blasters are better for monster hunts, which is what that team was doing,,as I said earlier and as it was said in the ep.

Jul 13, 2014 9:52 AM

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kokkoderrisch said:
Why isn't everyone using miniguns instead of peashooters? What's the point in even having different weapons if they can be so easily outclassed by a minigun? The speed penalty isn't even a problem when you've got that much power and that it's more accurate than semi auto rifles like the M14 makes no sense.

Oh good grief... -__-
It's not like the mini gun is a super rare item or anything.

Well, it's Ramadan, I'm fasting and now it's time to eat. Continue your "criticism" as much as you want.

Jul 13, 2014 9:53 AM

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Botato said:

kokkoderrisch said:
Why isn't everyone using miniguns instead of peashooters? What's the point in even having different weapons if they can be so easily outclassed by a minigun? The speed penalty isn't even a problem when you've got that much power and that it's more accurate than semi auto rifles like the M14 makes no sense.

Oh good grief... -__-
It's not like the mini gun is a super rare item or anything.

Well, it's Ramadan, I'm fasting and now it's time to eat. Continue your "criticism" as much as you want.

Why does such a overpowered weapon even exist?
This game is a P2W fraud.

Jul 13, 2014 9:54 AM

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Forgetfulness said:
I've read some of the comments in this thread and I'm confused on one part of the game mechanics. People were talking about the red outline and something resetting after 60 seconds?

Do they get one outline-free shot every 60 seconds? Or do the 60 seconds refer to something else?

They say that you can only take one sniper shot per 60 seconds without them being able to instantly dodge it, rendering the sniper weapons useless except for taking down lone targets. Dumbest game mechanic I've ever heard.

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kokkoderrisch said:

That doesn't make any sense, that M82 has the most selective bullet speed of all itme.

Do you actually read what we say or is this on purpose?

Forgetfulness said:
I've read some of the comments in this thread and I'm confused on one part of the game mechanics. People were talking about the red outline and something resetting after 60 seconds?

Do they get one outline-free shot every 60 seconds? Or do the 60 seconds refer to something else?

If the sniper is out of view for 60 secs( and ofc changes location) then his/her ID info the enemy has is reset and can shot again without the prediction line appearing.If they stay at the same spot, then no matter how much time passes, they will get a hit only if they are lucky.

Botato said:

kokkoderrisch said:
Why isn't everyone using miniguns instead of peashooters? What's the point in even having different weapons if they can be so easily outclassed by a minigun? The speed penalty isn't even a problem when you've got that much power and that it's more accurate than semi auto rifles like the M14 makes no sense.

Oh good grief... -__-
It's not like the mini gun is a super rare item or anything.

Well, it's Ramadan, I'm fasting and now it's time to eat. Continue your "criticism" as much as you want.

I like his criticism.
It either it is dumb that overpowered weapons exist or it is dumb causethere is a balancing mechanism for those OP weapons.

And it isnt P2W ffs.

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ssjokg said:

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That doesn't make any sense, that M82 has the most selective bullet speed of all itme.

Do you actually read what we say or is this on purpose?

It takes about 20 to 30 milliseconds for a human to react, and that's less than the amount it should take for the bullet to reach the Behemoth. With input lag that amount should double.

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kokkoderrisch said:

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Do you actually read what we say or is this on purpose?

It takes about 20 to 30 milliseconds for a human to react, and that's less than the amount it should take for the bullet to reach the Behemoth.

You dont read what we say.

Jul 13, 2014 10:01 AM

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ssjokg said:

kokkoderrisch said:

It takes about 20 to 30 milliseconds for a human to react, and that's less than the amount it should take for the bullet to reach the Behemoth.

You dont read what we say.

What do you say? With input lag+ natural reaction times there's no way in hell he should be able to dodge the bullet.

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Yeah you dont read what we say.Go some post above.Read.Again.Carefully and see why.

This is a freaking circlejerk.

Jul 13, 2014 10:05 AM

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kokkoderrisch said:

ssjokg said:

Do you actually read what we say or is this on purpose?

It takes about 20 to 30 milliseconds for a human to react, and that's less than the amount it should take for the bullet to reach the Behemoth. With input lag that amount should double.

10 milliseconds is the average reaction time of a normal human; I know that because I had a very fun university internship in which I had to use a stop watch to pinpoint it...

Also as said the red line appears BEFORE the trigger is pulled enough to shoot.

Btw this system is there for ALL guns the sniper is the only one where the first shot doesn't count, so it is actually stronger than the other ones ;-)

Jul 13, 2014 10:07 AM

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You people critiquing the action in this episode do realize this is the first episode of the series comprised almost entirely of action, right? And you realize the action here made more sense than almost every action sequence in S1, right? Right?

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Read.Fucking read.
Now it is even easier with just one post above you.

Was deleted...anyway....

Jul 13, 2014 10:09 AM

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Caleb8980 said:

kokkoderrisch said:

It takes about 20 to 30 milliseconds for a human to react, and that's less than the amount it should take for the bullet to reach the Behemoth. With input lag that amount should double.

10 milliseconds is the average reaction time of a normal human; I know that because I had a very fun university internship in which I had to use a stop watch to pinpoint it...

Also as said the red line appears BEFORE the trigger is pulled enough to shoot.

Btw this system is there for ALL guns the sniper is the only one where the first shot doesn't count, so it is actually stronger than the other ones ;-)

When I took my driving card it said that the reaction time is between 20 to 30, guess they were wrong.
Why is there even a game mechanic like this? No game ever have had it and no game will have it because it ruins the gameplay.

Jul 13, 2014 10:11 AM

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That is your opinion anyway.

To me it looks like a cool game mechanic.
inb4 You dont play mmo/fps/ets

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How can it appear before they shoot?
Does the game know when someone will shoot even before they have?
What if I decide not to, will they still get a warning?

Jul 13, 2014 10:20 AM

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kokkoderrisch said:
No game ever have had it and no game will have it because it ruins the gameplay.

It's important in GGO because the characters are moved by people and people with a quick reaction time (Agility stat) should have an advantage as it is only fair.

kokkoderrisch said:
How can it appear before they shoot?
Does the game know when someone will shoot even before they have?
What if I decide not to, will they still get a warning?

It appears when they begin pressing down the trigger.

Jul 13, 2014 10:22 AM

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Davidobot said:

kokkoderrisch said:
No game ever have had it and no game will have it because it ruins the gameplay.

It's important in GGO because the characters are moved by people and people with a quick reaction time (Agility stat) should have an advantage as it is only fair.
Why should anyone spend any points in anything but agility? Seems like a broken mechanic.

kokkoderrisch said:
How can it appear before they shoot?
Does the game know when someone will shoot even before they have?
What if I decide not to, will they still get a warning?

It appears when they begin pressing down the trigger.

But that gives no advantage at all.

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kokkoderrisch said:

Caleb8980 said:

10 milliseconds is the average reaction time of a normal human; I know that because I had a very fun university internship in which I had to use a stop watch to pinpoint it...

Also as said the red line appears BEFORE the trigger is pulled enough to shoot.

Btw this system is there for ALL guns the sniper is the only one where the first shot doesn't count, so it is actually stronger than the other ones ;-)

When I took my driving card it said that the reaction time is between 20 to 30, guess they were wrong.
Why is there even a game mechanic like this? No game ever have had it and no game will have it because it ruins the gameplay.

Well while driving other factors come into account I guess like hearing music or talking with other people inside of the car, making it that much longer.

But needing to hit a button for 200 times whenever a green or a red light flashed up on a device in front of you burns such things into your memory...

Back to the game: it was build in so that AGI-type players can use this to dodge bullets from any distance, be it 1500 m, 100 m or even closer. You have to keep in your mind that this is not pure FPS but FPS with stats and in the end each stat has to have an independent meaning and advantage, otherwise nobody would skill it.

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kokkoderrisch said:

But that gives no advantage at all.

Of course it does, you can dodge the bullets easier than before.

Jul 13, 2014 10:29 AM

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Davidobot said:

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But that gives no advantage at all.

Of course it does, you can dodge the bullets easier than before.

Compared to getting the warning when the bullet comes out. It's a few MS and then people could get warned by just squeezing the trigger.

Jul 13, 2014 10:31 AM

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This is still going on -__-

@kokko
It's like you don't want to admit that the "shit" series actually made sense for once.

Jul 13, 2014 10:31 AM

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Decent episode.
Still kind of boring. But Sinon is pretty BA.

Jul 13, 2014 10:32 AM

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Botato said:
This is still going on -__-

@kokko
It's like you don't want to admit that the "shit" series actually made sense for once.

You just refute logic.

Jul 13, 2014 10:34 AM

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Botato if a person has to rely on the source material to understand the concepts then the anime doesn't make sense.

Jul 13, 2014 10:35 AM

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Cool episode, way more action than the first. Can't wait to see more!

Jul 13, 2014 10:42 AM

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okay episode but the I hate the gun theme. This is feeling more and more like all of those FPS game we have today.

Jul 13, 2014 10:47 AM

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kokkoderrisch said:
Botato if a person has to rely on the source material to understand the concepts then the anime doesn't make sense.

Fun fact: I have not read anything of the LN (besides the small texts posted here) and still understood the fight and the mechanics made perfect sense when I watched the episode.

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kokkoderrisch said:

Botato said:
This is still going on -__-

@kokko
It's like you don't want to admit that the "shit" series actually made sense for once.

You just refute logic.

Lol.said the guy that failed to use logic from the very beginning.

Botato said:

kokkoderrisch said:
Botato if a person has to rely on the source material to understand the concepts then the anime doesn't make sense.

Fun fact: I have not read anything of the LN (besides the small texts posted here) and still understood the fight and the mechanics made perfect sense when I watched the episode.

Fun fact:He will complain about something else.

Jul 13, 2014 11:20 AM

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You could never flip that much in a real game to dodge bullets lol

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ssjokg said:

Botato said:

Fun fact: I have not read anything of the LN (besides the small texts posted here) and still understood the fight and the mechanics made perfect sense when I watched the episode.

Fun fact:He will complain about something else.

Yeah I know.

People should stop being so tsundere about SAO.

Guys, you are not evil and horrible humans if you like SAO.

Jul 13, 2014 11:31 AM

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I will admit, I love the character design on Sinon, but when she logged out of GGO her hands were trembling. It seemed like she had a condition of some sort, for was just freak at how close that fight was.

I wonder if Alheim Online always had player customization like hair color and such, Asuna changed her hair, again?

I want to hear more about the mechanics of GGO, but I'm pretty sure the anime will wait until Kirigaya get's into the game.

This series isn't shit yet*.

Jul 13, 2014 11:37 AM

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UsaraDark said:
I will admit, I love the character design on Sinon, but when she logged out of GGO her hands were trembling. It seemed like she had a condition of some sort, for was just freak at how close that fight was.

I wonder if Alheim Online always had player customization like hair color and such, Asuna changed her hair, again?

I want to hear more about the mechanics of GGO, but I'm pretty sure the anime will wait until Kirigaya get's into the game.

This series isn't shit yet*.

Before when she were in a cage she hadn't chosen a race. Now she've chosen to be an Undine. Which have blue color as their trademark.

Jul 13, 2014 11:41 AM

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Started kinda meh at first but got really good after Sinon got her leg shot off and sniped that guy while falling.

Her hands were trembling,I'm not sure if it's obvious or if it's cause I already know what happened but it's[spoiler]because of her fear of guns.

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