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| Nice, much better than ALO for sure. Sinon rocks. Kirito is about to joing, yay. I wonder why is it named SAO 2 lol, what the hell does it have to do with swords? |
| I am not a LN reader, but it was VERY clear that Behemoth had trouble lifting the minigun up and aiming at her.. Did no one notice his "orgasm?" Also lol @ comparing the game to real life. It's a game, in an anime, comparing it to real life just to bitch about it is about as horrible as you can get when it comes to criticism. |
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ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: It isnt about being OP.LIke Behemoth could see her bullet , they could too.. How do you know they would've just avoided her bullets? Are they that OP? The gun she is using is based off the M82, which has a bullet velocity of 853 meters per second, it would take the bullet less than two seconds to get there and you still believe that they would be able to easily avoid it? Him avoiding it was BS. If we say that all of their guns have a firing rate of 600 RPM and that their shields only hold for 2 seconds it would still allow them to pump him full with 20 bullets of lead per person. He wouldn't be able to hit them all. You saw that red line?That shows the bullet bath just before it is fired.And YES they can avoid it like that. He still wouldn't have been able to shoot them all. This game is hella unbalanced. What's the point in being a sniper if they can see exactly when and where you shoot? Why didn't the first guy that died dodge the bullet? Why couldn't Dyne and the others use it? |
SetsukoHara said: ssjokg said: They did explain that it would be hard to move with that thing. So hard that you're still able to avoid a sniper bullet coming at you with it. Anyway, the messages this anime tries to convey are still a problem with me. That pro-players are shown to take their games so seriously, why not? But that the anime actually tries to tell us that acting like that is the right thing to do. No, just no! You mean the half step he did to the side? |
kokkoderrisch said: First shot can't be seen, then the sniper has to wait 60 seconds + change his/her location in order to fire again without being seen. This is the 5th time I've answered this since yesterday not to mention the others and also the post in the first page.ssjokg said: It isnt about being OP.LIke Behemoth could see her bullet , they could too. You saw that red line?That shows the bullet bath just before it is fired.And YES they can avoid it like that. He still wouldn't have been able to shoot them all. This game is hella unbalanced. What's the point in being a sniper if they can see exactly when and where you shoot? Why didn't the first guy that died dodge the bullet? Why couldn't Dyne and the others use it? |
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Botato said: kokkoderrisch said: First shot can't be seen, then the sniper has to wait 60 seconds + change his/her location in order to fire again without being seen. This is the 5th time I've answered this since yesterday not to mention the others and also the post in the first page.He still wouldn't have been able to shoot them all. This game is hella unbalanced. What's the point in being a sniper if they can see exactly when and where you shoot? Why didn't the first guy that died dodge the bullet? Why couldn't Dyne and the others use it? How the heck would they be able to shoot her from 1.5 km with those peashooters? The effective range must be 200m max. |
kokkoderrisch said: ssjokg said: It isnt about being OP.LIke Behemoth could see her bullet , they could too. You saw that red line?That shows the bullet bath just before it is fired.And YES they can avoid it like that. He still wouldn't have been able to shoot them all. This game is hella unbalanced. What's the point in being a sniper if they can see exactly when and where you shoot? Why didn't the first guy that died dodge the bullet? Why couldn't Dyne and the others use it? You still forget that he isnt alone. BEcause being able to camp makes the game even more unbalanced. Because there is no line of path in the first shot.That is why they talked about resetting her ID info. What should Dyne and the others use exactly? |
kokkoderrisch said: They probably wouldn't but for a whole 60 seconds (even more if she doesn't move) her shots are rendered useless and easy to dodge.Botato said: First shot can't be seen, then the sniper has to wait 60 seconds + change his/her location in order to fire again without being seen. This is the 5th time I've answered this since yesterday not to mention the others and also the post in the first page. How the heck would they be able to shoot her from 1.5 km with those peashooters? The effective range must be 200m max. |
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Caleb8980 said: -Riptide- said: Exactly my point. You guys get to understand what happened because it was explained in the LN but in the anime it wasn't. Just try to picture somebody holding a minigun (mass with ammunation of more than 40kg) straight up in 90°... Even nowadays FPS games have at least a bare minimum of realism and pointing such a heavy weapon straight up ahead belongs to those. XD Please see my previous post to see what I was trying to say. |
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kokkoderrisch said: That has nothing to do with what he said.There is no point in wasting ammo and keeping yourself revealed just so that you are outside their range and contributing nothing to the fight.Botato said: First shot can't be seen, then the sniper has to wait 60 seconds + change his/her location in order to fire again without being seen. This is the 5th time I've answered this since yesterday not to mention the others and also the post in the first page. How the heck would they be able to shoot her from 1.5 km with those peashooters? The effective range must be 200m max. |
ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: He still wouldn't have been able to shoot them all. This game is hella unbalanced. What's the point in being a sniper if they can see exactly when and where you shoot? Why didn't the first guy that died dodge the bullet? Why couldn't Dyne and the others use it? You still forget that he isnt alone. BEcause being able to camp makes the game even more unbalanced. Because there is no line of path in the first shot.That is why they talked about resetting her ID info. What should Dyne and the others use exactly? And you forgot that they've got shields. Dyne and the others should have also been able to see where they would have shot the bullets like Sinon and Behemoth. |
| Decent episode. The opening scene could have probably been explained better. As a non-LN reader, I really did think that all she was doing was some random mission on the side whereby she grabbed a great reward from it. Hasn't yet been explained that its the best sniper rifle in the game or whatnot. Sinon's battle with Behemoth pretty much took up 19 of 24 minutes of this episode. The planning and prep explanations were short and to the point, the surprise reveal and the hiring of a bodyguard was imho obvious, but the fight in the end was kind of contrived. She's 1500 meters away. How is it possible that she couldn't fire off the first shot, move to another position amidst her own teams covering fire and then shoot the ugly sob in another surprise snipe? That literally doesn't make sense. It's not like the dude could see her moving around from 1500 meters away right? He'd be pretty preoccupied with the rest of her team that were closing in fast. Also why the hell would you wait till your dying moment to throw a grenade if you had them in the first place? Why not just chuck them at the team and box them in place or something? That itself would have helped cover Sinon changing positions and provide her with cover to set up and snipe them down one by one? I mean, sure the one on one with Behemoth just went to show how OP that Sinon is in game, but to be perfectly honest, it also shows just how stupid her team is for not having a backup plan if shit hits the fan. I read in the forum that the dude in charge was suppose to be a higher rank than Sinon? Sure as heck doesn't feel like it. Oh I have one question for those in the know: Once you kill another player in GGO, the dead player immediately loses all their gear right? Does that mean that the person who killed them will immediately GAIN all that gear? So like once Sinon killed off Behemoth, she acquires the Machine Gun? The scene at the end was pretty much made as eye candy and a nod for those fans who miss the original cast and setting. Personally, I enjoyed watching SAO, but given how the story arcs ran their courses, I prefer having some new settings instead of all the old stuff. Makes things exciting and new. |
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kokkoderrisch said: ssjokg said: You still forget that he isnt alone. BEcause being able to camp makes the game even more unbalanced. Because there is no line of path in the first shot.That is why they talked about resetting her ID info. What should Dyne and the others use exactly? And you forgot that they've got shields. Dyne and the others should have also been able to see where they would have shot the bullets like Sinon and Behemoth. Those work only to the blasters and dont work for a long time, I did say that some posts above. You mean the incoming fire?Yes they can but unlike ONE minigun and ONE sniper rifle, rapid fire from multiple sides isnt something you evade easily. |
Botato said: kokkoderrisch said: They probably wouldn't but for a whole 60 seconds (even more if she doesn't move) her shots are rendered useless and easy to dodge.How the heck would they be able to shoot her from 1.5 km with those peashooters? The effective range must be 200m max. Do you guys get all this shit from the VN? Because this seems like a shitty adaption. She should have still camped in the vicinity, no use in going in to quickscope. |
ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: That has nothing to do with what he said.There is no point in wasting ammo and keeping yourself revealed just so that you are outside their range and contributing nothing to the fight.How the heck would they be able to shoot her from 1.5 km with those peashooters? The effective range must be 200m max. Suppressing fire is not wasting ammo. She would still be able to hit at least one of them even with their all-seeing superpowers because they're getting shot at by Dyne and the others. |
kokkoderrisch said: Botato said: They probably wouldn't but for a whole 60 seconds (even more if she doesn't move) her shots are rendered useless and easy to dodge. Do you guys get all this shit from the VN? Because this seems like a shitty adaption. She should have still camped in the vicinity, no use in going in to quickscope. It was explained in the ep. You mean shot the move for 60 secs for every enemy?That is too long.Her teammates would lose before she is done. |
kokkoderrisch said: The farther away she is the harder it is to hit them. Most of it was obvious and some of it was hinted at. But it's not as unexplained as you guys are making it out to be.Botato said: They probably wouldn't but for a whole 60 seconds (even more if she doesn't move) her shots are rendered useless and easy to dodge. Do you guys get all this shit from the VN? Because this seems like a shitty adaption. She should have still camped in the vicinity, no use in going in to quickscope. |
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ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: And you forgot that they've got shields. Dyne and the others should have also been able to see where they would have shot the bullets like Sinon and Behemoth. Those work only to the blasters and dont work for a long time, I did say that some posts above. You mean the incoming fire?Yes they can but unlike ONE minigun and ONE sniper rifle, rapid fire from multiple sides isnt something you evade easily. You told me that they don't work for long but they work for at least 5 seconds like the guy with the UMP. That's enough time to empty a whole magazine in him per person. |
Botato said: kokkoderrisch said: The farther away she is the harder it is to hit them. Most of it was obvious and some of it was hinted at. But it's not as unexplained as you guys are making it out to be.Do you guys get all this shit from the VN? Because this seems like a shitty adaption. She should have still camped in the vicinity, no use in going in to quickscope. So the 60 seconds plus move away timer was hinted at or obvious? |
kokkoderrisch said: It was obvious.Botato said: The farther away she is the harder it is to hit them. Most of it was obvious and some of it was hinted at. But it's not as unexplained as you guys are making it out to be. So the 60 seconds plus move away timer was hinted at or obvious? |
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Botato said: kokkoderrisch said: It was obvious.So the 60 seconds plus move away timer was hinted at or obvious? How? |
kokkoderrisch said: You told me that they don't work for long but they work for at least 5 seconds like the guy with the UMP. That's enough time to empty a whole magazine in him per person. I am pretty sure that they dont work with a timer but with "energy".And as I said there is still the minigun guy who doesnt care about barriers.And if teh barriers are like those I know from fps, then they wont last even 3 secs. kokkoderrisch said: Suppressing fire is not wasting ammo. She would still be able to hit at least one of them even with their all-seeing superpowers because they're getting shot at by Dyne and the others. Eh no? Considering how "long" it would take for the bullet to reach them nothing would change. And she wanted to go for Behemoth.Even if by some miracle she could make a big difference from far away, she wanted to go after him herself. |
kokkoderrisch said: From the dialogue between the characters.How? |
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ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: You told me that they don't work for long but they work for at least 5 seconds like the guy with the UMP. That's enough time to empty a whole magazine in him per person. I am pretty sure that they dont work with a timer but with "energy".And as I said there is still the minigun guy who doesnt care about barriers. kokkoderrisch said: Suppressing fire is not wasting ammo. She would still be able to hit at least one of them even with their all-seeing superpowers because they're getting shot at by Dyne and the others. Eh no? Considering how "long" it would take for the bullet to reach them nothing would change. And she wanted to go for Behemoth.Even if by some miracle she could make a big difference from far away, she wanted to go after him herself. They hadn't used up any energy at all so why couldn't they use it now? As I said there's no way he could hit them all in the span of a few seconds, a minigun is extremely inaccurate. It takes less than 2 seconds for the bullet to reach them. That's barely any time at all and would unnerve them to quite a high degree by having to dodge them all the time. |
Botato said: kokkoderrisch said: From the dialogue between the characters.How? I didn't notice that during the time I watched, and why did she shoot him then if she knew he would dodge? |
kokkoderrisch said: Then it's your fault not the show's fault.Botato said: From the dialogue between the characters. I didn't notice that during the time I watched, and why did she shoot him then if she knew he would dodge? Because she just killed one of them, the enemy MIGHT be panicking which makes them an easy target, not to mention that on the off chance he's not a skilled player she might be able to take him out. He turned out to be a skilled player. |
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kokkoderrisch said: ssjokg said: I am pretty sure that they dont work with a timer but with "energy".And as I said there is still the minigun guy who doesnt care about barriers. Eh no? Considering how "long" it would take for the bullet to reach them nothing would change. And she wanted to go for Behemoth.Even if by some miracle she could make a big difference from far away, she wanted to go after him herself. They hadn't used up any energy at all so why couldn't they use it now? As I said there's no way he could hit them all in the span of a few seconds, a minigun is extremely inaccurate. It takes less than 2 seconds for the bullet to reach them. That's barely any time at all and would unnerve them to quite a high degree by having to dodge them all the time. What does that even mean?It clearly showed them using the barriers.You think that was just there? Seemed pretty accurate to me. Two secs while they also take cover and have the big guy behind them aiming at the others.I dont see how you think it would work. |
Botato said: kokkoderrisch said: Then it's your fault not the show's fault.I didn't notice that during the time I watched, and why did she shoot him then if she knew he would dodge? Because she just killed one of them, the enemy MIGHT be panicking which makes them an easy target, not to mention that on the off chance he's not a skilled player she might be able to take him out. He turned out to be a skilled player. Could you screencap the dialogue? Why didn't she try to shoot the small fry? They eliminated them easily last time, why would they be so skilled one week later? |
| Are we really arguing over a counter-strike match in an anime? My God the shit was obvious no need to make it this complicated. |
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| Good episode indeed but this Strategy FPS was never my style of game and watching a anime about it isn't very entertaining. Overall good episode. Simon is a master sniper WOW,my pal would love to have sb like her as comrade. Her real life appearence is quite cute. I enjoyed very much the last scene. Leafa, Liz and Sil taking down the monster, also there was a small reference to the 1st season when Silica and Kirito went on hunting for the item to rez her dragon. Asuna is so beautiful as Undine. This love....bliah I hate it when couples are like that ALL time, okay love each other show it BUT NOT ALL TIME IT'S ANNOYING! |
| A Story will always come to it's end. The thing is, will you move on after it's over? |
ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: They hadn't used up any energy at all so why couldn't they use it now? As I said there's no way he could hit them all in the span of a few seconds, a minigun is extremely inaccurate. It takes less than 2 seconds for the bullet to reach them. That's barely any time at all and would unnerve them to quite a high degree by having to dodge them all the time. What does that even mean?It clearly showed them using the barriers.You think that was just there? Seemed pretty accurate to me. Two secs while they also take cover and have the big guy behind them aiming at the others.I dont see how you think it would work. Shoot the big guy, have him evade, pop up, use shields, eliminate small fry, big guy pops up, shoot him again with sniper rifle shot, he has to choose between ignoring the bullet and getting shot or get shot by the ground forces. |
kokkoderrisch said: Botato said: Then it's your fault not the show's fault. Because she just killed one of them, the enemy MIGHT be panicking which makes them an easy target, not to mention that on the off chance he's not a skilled player she might be able to take him out. He turned out to be a skilled player. Could you screencap the dialogue? Why didn't she try to shoot the small fry? They eliminated them easily last time, why would they be so skilled one week later? Because the small fry werent a threat.That is why she killed the only one of them that didnt have a blaster but a real gun.ANd the problem isnt their level but their guns.Blasters are mainly used form monster hunts and arent the best against players. Last time they didnt have big guns supporting them |
kokkoderrisch said: It was before the they started fighting, when someone said if Sinon misses he can buy the time necessary to move.Botato said: Then it's your fault not the show's fault. Because she just killed one of them, the enemy MIGHT be panicking which makes them an easy target, not to mention that on the off chance he's not a skilled player she might be able to take him out. He turned out to be a skilled player. Could you screencap the dialogue? Why didn't she try to shoot the small fry? They eliminated them easily last time, why would they be so skilled one week later? If the "tell" method didn't work, then the "show" method should have filled in the remaining gaps in your understanding. They can still see her shots from that far. And she wasn't the one that killed them last time. From the dialogue, again, what happens is that the sniper, Sinon in this case, takes out the person armed with live ammo that can kill people. While the rest of her team deals with the guys with energy guns which are very easy to dodge and there are barriers that work against them. This time, they had a fucking mini-gun with them. |
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| Smiling whilst playing a video game? How dare he! |
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Botato said: Are we really arguing over a counter-strike match in an anime? My God the shit was obvious no need to make it this complicated. They are taking it very seriously in the anime. This is a fatal flaw in the battle and it would have ended very differently if the writer followed his own rules. |
kokkoderrisch said: What do you mean pop up, when he only had to take half a step to the side?ssjokg said: What does that even mean?It clearly showed them using the barriers.You think that was just there? Seemed pretty accurate to me. Two secs while they also take cover and have the big guy behind them aiming at the others.I dont see how you think it would work. Shoot the big guy, have him evade, pop up, use shields, eliminate small fry, big guy pops up, shoot him again with sniper rifle shot, he has to choose between ignoring the bullet and getting shot or get shot by the ground forces. That is why it wouldnt work. |
kokkoderrisch said: Except it's not a flaw.Botato said: Are we really arguing over a counter-strike match in an anime? My God the shit was obvious no need to make it this complicated. They are taking it very seriously in the anime. This is a fatal flaw in the battle and it would have ended very differently if the writer followed his own rules. |
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kokkoderrisch said: Botato said: Are we really arguing over a counter-strike match in an anime? My God the shit was obvious no need to make it this complicated. They are taking it very seriously in the anime. This is a fatal flaw in the battle and it would have ended very differently if the writer followed his own rules. Yes.There are money on the line. He followed them.Unless if you mean that -supposedly-fucking up a plan is rule breaking. |
ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: Could you screencap the dialogue? Why didn't she try to shoot the small fry? They eliminated them easily last time, why would they be so skilled one week later? Because the small fry werent a threat.That is why she killed the only one of them that didnt have a blaster but a real gun.ANd the problem isnt their level but their guns.Blasters are mainly used form monster hunts and arent the best against players. Last time they didnt have big guns supporting them They seemed like a major nuisance according to you, not allowing the others to shoot the Behemoth. |
ssjokg said: Oh I see, they have to be perfect players that never fail. Oh wait wasn't that the main complaint about Kirito? That he's too perfect and OP?kokkoderrisch said: They are taking it very seriously in the anime. This is a fatal flaw in the battle and it would have ended very differently if the writer followed his own rules. Yes.There are money on the line. He followed them.Unless if you mean that -supposedly-fucking up a plan is rule breaking. Bleh. |
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kokkoderrisch said: Do you even read what he writes?ssjokg said: Because the small fry werent a threat.That is why she killed the only one of them that didnt have a blaster but a real gun.ANd the problem isnt their level but their guns.Blasters are mainly used form monster hunts and arent the best against players. Last time they didnt have big guns supporting them They seemed like a major nuisance according to you, not allowing the others to shoot the Behemoth. Not a threat BECAUSE they DON'T have LIVE AMMO. They are still able to dodge and do damage when the barriers break though. |
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kokkoderrisch said: ssjokg said: Because the small fry werent a threat.That is why she killed the only one of them that didnt have a blaster but a real gun.ANd the problem isnt their level but their guns.Blasters are mainly used form monster hunts and arent the best against players. Last time they didnt have big guns supporting them They seemed like a major nuisance according to you, not allowing the others to shoot the Behemoth. Yes when you pay attention to one enemy and all the others aim at you it is a major nuisance. Blasters are weak, that doesnt mean they can just allow themselves being hit. |
kokkoderrisch said: Have Sinon shoot the big guy, he evades, Dyne and the others pop up,they use shields, eliminates small fry, big guy pops up, shoot him again with sniper rifle shot, he has to choose between ignoring the bullet and getting shot or get shot while evading by the ground forces. You guys seem to ignore this simple yet effective strategy. |
kokkoderrisch said: Evading = simple half a step to the side. I don't see how forcing him to evade would help.kokkoderrisch said: Have Sinon shoot the big guy, he evades, Dyne and the others pop up,they use shields, eliminates small fry, big guy pops up, shoot him again with sniper rifle shot, he has to choose between ignoring the bullet and getting shot or get shot while evading by the ground forces. You guys seem to ignore this simple yet effective strategy. |
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ssjokg said: kokkoderrisch said: They are taking it very seriously in the anime. This is a fatal flaw in the battle and it would have ended very differently if the writer followed his own rules. Yes.There are money on the line. He followed them.Unless if you mean that -supposedly-fucking up a plan is rule breaking. If there's money on the line why did she say that they should kill themselves instead of logging out? |
kokkoderrisch said: kokkoderrisch said: Have Sinon shoot the big guy, he evades, Dyne and the others pop up,they use shields, eliminates small fry, big guy pops up, shoot him again with sniper rifle shot, he has to choose between ignoring the bullet and getting shot or get shot while evading by the ground forces. You guys seem to ignore this simple yet effective strategy. Oh it was used before?Damn it./sarc And you ignore the"where the hell would he pop up from?" He just needed half a step to the side.You make it look like like he will duck and cover. |
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