No Game No Life (light novel)
| Because it's pandering done right. Add maximum entertainment value into the mix and an author that seems to perfectly know its audience and the best ways in which to please them (as well as reasonably high production values and a crazy color palette), and you got NGNL. |
SapewlothJun 30, 2014 4:21 PM
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Yes, it's a basic/average anime. There's no "Top 20" quality about it. I do like the show though, enough to have watched the entire season, but from what I see, these elements make the fanboys ride NGNL's dick: 1. It's pretty. 2. It involves gaming. 3. It's ecchi. (could be substituted with "It's harem"). 4. It involves loli/animal girls/elves/angel types...the usual "hot anime chick" stick. 5. It involves a super close brother-sister relationship. |
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| @FateYuno Don't worry it doesn't get "better" as in: it doesn't build up to anything with a significant payoff that changes the story in any way. It is still Sora and Shiro being OP "geniuses" mocking and pissing on Steph all the while expanding their harem with girls from the other races. I thought of pointing you to the "best" game of the series, but then I remembered it's pretty off the far end of ecchi scale, with a the imouto getting the treatment as well. Not to mention the implied incest. @Sapewloth OOOOH NOOOOO! You foiled us! You mentioned the buzzword "pandering", all our credibility has been lost! |
T3hSourceJun 30, 2014 4:19 PM
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T3hSource said: Yes, it's you guys' fault for having fun and then calling it "OHMUHGUDS!ART!" What...? No one is saying that, not actually I hope. It's anime, it was fun and mildly entertaining without taking it seriously. Well, trying to say here that it doesn't matter to me, whether this was actually popular or not. T3hSource said: I remembered it's pretty off the far end of ecchi scale, with a the imouto getting the treatment as well. Not to mention the implied incest. They're not blood related, so it's actually wincest. |
SacredFactorJun 30, 2014 4:26 PM
T3hSource said: @FateYuno Don't worry it doesn't get "better" as in: it doesn't build up to anything with a significant payoff that changes the story in any way. It is still Sora and Shiro being OP "geniuses" mocking and pissing on Steph all the while expanding their harem with girls from the other races. I thought of pointing you to the "best" game of the series, but then I remembered it's pretty off the far end of ecchi scale, with a the imouto getting the treatment as well. Not to mention the implied incest. Yeah, that doesn't sound good. I've only seen 2 games, one was won because their opponent was stupid (Rock Paper Scissors) and one was just ruined by in my opinion crappy comedy. And loli fanservice... ugh. I don't have a problem with incest however... SacredFactor said: They're not blood related, so it's actually wincest. ...but I have a problem with shitty cop outs |
| No validation, no applause You don't have prove you got it when you know it's yours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSKDIcpdSE |
FateYuno said: ...but I have a problem with shitty cop outs To be honest, it wasn't really even that bad, I wouldn't even describe it as "implied incest". Not that it really matters in a fictional universe. It was just a mouth to mouth that they had to do in order to survive and win the game. But whatever, drop it if you don't like it. Comedy's a miss or hit I suppose, but at least you're not criticizing people for supposedly calling this a Shakespearean quality of writing. :P |
SacredFactor said: FateYuno said: ...but I have a problem with shitty cop outs To be honest, it wasn't really even that bad, I wouldn't even describe it as "implied incest". Not that it really matters in a fictional universe. It was just a mouth to mouth that they had to do in order to survive and win the game. But whatever, drop it if you don't like it. Comedy's a miss or hit I suppose, but at least you're not criticizing people for supposedly calling this a Shakespearean quality of writing. :P I don't mind people liking it, I just personally don't. I just really felt I was missing something with this series so I came here to ask. And that does not qualify as incest in my book, if they had to do it to survive. Also, your signature gif is pretty hypnotizing. |
| No validation, no applause You don't have prove you got it when you know it's yours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSKDIcpdSE |
| It's because people like the idea of a world where everything is decided by winning different games, it has a loli and sexual fanservice, the soundtrack is good, Sora is a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character. A NEET who loves games is teleported to a world where everything is decided by games, he wins every game, is king of humanity, has a higher being calling him master and the princess (Steph) is basically his personal jester. Who wouldn't want to be a guy like that? |
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DrGeroCreation said: It's because people like the idea of a world where everything is decided by winning different games, it has a loli and sexual fanservice, the soundtrack is good, Sora is a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character. A NEET who loves games is teleported to a world where everything is decided by games, he wins every game, is king of humanity, has a higher being calling him master and the princess (Steph) is basically his personal jester. Who wouldn't want to be a guy like that? Me |
| No validation, no applause You don't have prove you got it when you know it's yours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSKDIcpdSE |
FateYuno said: Well I guess everyone is different.DrGeroCreation said: It's because people like the idea of a world where everything is decided by winning different games, it has a loli and sexual fanservice, the soundtrack is good, Sora is a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character. A NEET who loves games is teleported to a world where everything is decided by games, he wins every game, is king of humanity, has a higher being calling him master and the princess (Steph) is basically his personal jester. Who wouldn't want to be a guy like that? Me |
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DrGeroCreation said: FateYuno said: Well I guess everyone is different.Me Yep :) |
| No validation, no applause You don't have prove you got it when you know it's yours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSKDIcpdSE |
| Because people enjoyed it? Shocking isn't it. Really getting sick of elitism over something as daft as anime. |
NewhopesJun 30, 2014 6:06 PM
| and this affects you how? MAL ratings are lulz anyway. waiting for based_kaioshin-sama |
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Newhopes said: My thoughts exactlyBecause people enjoyed it? Shocking isn't it. Really getting sick of elitism over something as daft as anime. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
Newhopes said: Because people enjoyed it? Shocking isn't it. Really getting sick of elitism over something as daft as anime. Well nothing new about that. Some things never change and haters coming out of the woodwork is just par for the course. |
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yeslelno123 said: Thread has ascended to new heightsSays the guy with KLK avatar. |
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AlexTheRiot said: yeslelno123 said: Thread has ascended to new heightsSays the guy with KLK avatar. I don't dislike KLK, but it's popular for the same reason as NGNL. Given that OP rated KLK with 10, I thought he'd understand that some people tend to give high ratings to shows that have flaws but are highly enjoyable. |
Venustas said: This thread  #Thread |
mirailianil said: soundscape said: It's a 10 in the entertainment department if you turn your brain off and don't expect anything deep (story wise or character wise). It provides nothing original or special for it to be so highly thought of,it doesn't deserve to be in top100 but that's only my opinion cause I expected intelligent games and story and got disappointed (so yea I might be biased). I for one cannot understand the need of "turn your brain of to enjoy the show". Sure NGNL isnt that deep, but it isnt that shallow either. In fact, you need to think a bit to understand some of the things that was happening in the show. So yeah, I don't get why you need to "turn your brain off" to enjoy this show It's highly subjective as I said I might be biased. When I am saying this I am thinking my experience with this show. Becasue when I started thinking more than I should my enjoyment rate started dropping. For me personally this show is shallow. |
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soundscape said: It's highly subjective as I said I might be biased. When I am saying this I am thinking my experience with this show. Becasue when I started thinking more than I should my enjoyment rate started dropping. For me personally this show is shallow. I understand what you mean. Well this is just a fiction creation. There aren't any geniuses that genius at everything, yes. Still if you think logically, Sora and Shiro are not genius at everything too. For example : - History. they just need to read a lot. For a geek like them, they read a lot. - Psychology. Sora just show a part of psychology and not all of it. For example 'cold reading'. You don't need a degree in psychology to be able to do cold reading. So he's not a genius in psychology. He's just... familiar with it. - Sociology is also part of psychology. I personally have an interest in psychology despite my major in computer science. I can read people's body language (cold reading), hipnotize people, read writings (graphology), etc. I am also a sociable person and I love reading books too. And that makes me a genius at psychology? No. It's not impossible to learn all of this. Though, I may say that Shiro's math ability is just unbelievable. Let's just say, they have an incredible learning ability. Concentration and such. Don't you compare anime with real world. Let's take a look at Lelouch (Code Geass), Light (Death Note), Kaiji (Gyakkyou Burai Kaiji). There's no people like that in real life. And as the anime imply many times. Sora and Shiro cover each other for what they lack in. Shiro is a genius. Not at every aspect though. If she's really that great, then she would be able to beat Kurami alone. And there's Sora that figured out Kurami's cheat. As in history, I think there's an example for a genius that's multi-talented and even more amazing than Sora and Shiro : Leonardo da Vinci Still, this is a fiction creation. Enjoy. |
modsoulzJul 1, 2014 12:55 AM
| @soundscape But ur not sapposd 2 taek it srsly, jus haev phun m8. Its just so awsm 101/10/ fanboi logic In all seriousness, I got into the comedy, but having our hikikomori NEETs turn into OP genuises got a bit tiring after a while. The rock, paper, scissors game was damn good, but after that having them solve everything at the last moment and "cheat" withing the rules is just too much. And Sora has no hands on experience with deceiving and influencing people, since he has social anxiety on top of being a shut-in. And for the KlK comparison, Kill la Kill genuinely generated excitement without the need the protagonists to be self-insert power fantasies. The writing makes even less sense as well, it's action and excitement for the sake of action and excitement, it is retro, it is janky, it is Trigger's raw enthusiasm. But do I go around shouting 10/10! AMAZING MASTERPIECE!! PURE ENTERTAINMENT!? No, it was a fun ride with a satisfying end, I just move on. 6/10- solid fun |
T3hSourceJul 1, 2014 1:01 AM
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Yea I understand what you are trying to say. But you just proved my point yourself. When you say you are good at psychology and sociology and stuff you mention that you are social. That's the thing that to be a "genius" in this kinda stuff you need EXPERIENCE. Sora and Shiro are shut ins. They have no real life experience with other people. I can't be sure but Leonardo Da Vinci was a shut int? I get it that this is fiction. But in cases that you mention it's more believable for Kira, Lelouch to be good at psychology because it is shown that they are social (they have that kind of experience. So suspension of disbelief works fine. |
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iarezach said: Venustas said: This thread #Thread ah f**** my eyes hurt.. they're bleeding.. |
T3hSource said: @soundscape But ur not sapposd 2 taek it srsly, jus haev phun m8. Its just so awsm 101/10/ fanboi logic In all seriousness, I got into the comedy, but having our hikikomori NEETs turn into OP genuises got a bit tiring after a while. The rock, paper, scissors game was damn good, but after that having them solve everything at the last moment and "cheat" withing the rules is just too much. And Sora has no hands on experience with deceiving and influencing people, since he has social anxiety on top of being a shut-in. And for the KlK comparison, Kill la Kill genuinely generated excitement without the need the protagonists to be self-insert power fantasies. The writing makes even less sense as well, it's action and excitement for the sake of action and excitement, it is retro, it is janky, it is Trigger's raw enthusiasm. But do I go around shouting 10/10! AMAZING MASTERPIECE!! PURE ENTERTAINMENT!? No, it was a fun ride with a satisfying end, I just move on. 6/10- solid fun Still ranting about no game no life? Have seen you in almost every thread of NGNL. Just saying, because I found it quite funny. |
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| @David2skills Someone needs to do it! Eh, I'll stop after today hopefully. |
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| Because NGNL had: - Overpowered & Unbeatable MC (Shiro doesn't even go to school, but she can calculate a math formula more than a high schoolers do) - a NEET and an Otaku MC - Games that use logic (even though it's a little forced) - Loli, Bishoujo, Jibril. - Games Reference (Like Skyrim) - Harem. (i think?) - and Fanservice. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Sora is a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character. No, he really isn't. If you watched, or at least payed attention to one episode you'd know that's completely untrue. Sora is cunning, intelligent, and has an air of mystery to him because of his past. If Sora is an self insert character, so is every main character of every series ever made. This is one of the more laughable statements I've seen about No Game No Life. |
| I don't think its popularity should be questioned. Obviously it's because people like it. The question is "Why is it overrated?" Thankfully, critics are taking a turn at this show, giving it the proper rating, and BAM! It already dropped down to #18 and will continue going down. |
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Todd_ said: The guy wins every game, is super strategic and always has every thing planned out perfectly (he is so concise with everything that sometimes I think he could be a mind reader or can see into the future). He is king of imanity, has a higher being calling him master and the former princess as basically his personal jester. If that isn't a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character then I don't know what is. Sora makes Aizen look tame in comparison.DrGeroCreation said: Sora is a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character. No, he really isn't. If you watched, or at least payed attention to one episode you'd know that's completely untrue. Sora is cunning, intelligent, and has an air of mystery to him because of his past. If Sora is an self insert character, so is every main character of every series ever made. This is one of the more laughable statements I've seen about No Game No Life. |
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DrGeroCreation said: The guy wins every game, is super strategic and always has every thing planned out perfectly (he is so concise with everything that sometimes I think he could be a mind reader or can see into the future). He is king of imanity, has a higher being calling him master and the former princess as basically his personal jester. If that isn't a self insert wish fulfillment gary stu character then I don't know what is. Sora makes Aizen look tame in comparison. Not the guy but both of them. Blank always wins. I wonder if you all complained that Colombo also solved crimes everytime. |
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| I don't really understand what self-insert characters are. Couldn't almost any main lead in a harem or shonen series be one then, because they are surrounded by a desirable/cool situation? |
| NGNL got characters who can calculate stuff computers can't do in millions of years :^) |
GarLogan78 said: I don't really understand what self-insert characters are. Couldn't almost any main lead in a harem or shonen series be one then, because they are surrounded by a desirable/cool situation? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MartyStu http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WishFulfillment |
kitkatxz said: People like it? Most people don't rate objectively on this site and just rate on how they liked the show. This has everything a gamer anime fan would want so basically it's just screaming top 30. Objectivity does not exist when it comes to overall ratings. |
kitkatxz said: People like it? Most people don't rate objectively on this site and just rate on how they liked the show. This has everything a gamer anime fan would want so basically it's just screaming top 30. You can't rate things objectively. The quality of the show or the lack of it, is not factual. It's completely dependant on the interpretations and perception of it's viewers, hence why it's subjective, and not objective. |
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| Because it's shit |
Venustas said: So true, people these days huh?This thread |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
| NGNL is like the Justin Bieber of anime. Terrible and utter garbage, yet super popular. |
ex_necross said: Ever heard of subjectivity? That's your POV and i respect that,but my POV is : don't compare NGNL with that spoiled wannabe-adult pothead brat.NGNL is like the Justin Bieber of anime. Terrible and utter garbage, yet super popular. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
bastek66 said: Here is why: BECAUSE SHOW DELIVERED Other shows didn't: Black Bullet - shit adaptation due to time constrains and lame studio Mahouka - boring, unispired and vapid Mekakucity - terrible animation, adaptation (Sidonia - was good but CGI dispirited a lot of potential watchers) Why are those the shows that everybody seemed to expect to be good aside from Sidonia though? That's what I just don't get given trends and just the type of content in general. Realistically how many Light Novel adaptations actually turn out to be good shows as opposed to just trifles with fan service and wish fulfillment premises? IMO not many. I mean when I think shows that I expected to be good and to end up finishing going into the season like Jojo, Haikyuu and Sidonia all met expectations quite adequately and there were even surprises like Ping Pong. |
GarLogan78 said: I don't really understand what self-insert characters are. Couldn't almost any main lead in a harem or shonen series be one then, because they are surrounded by a desirable/cool situation? Its a phrase to describe the ever so common male lead look-a-likes. Or something. /Captain Obvious/ |
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