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Oct 30, 2014 3:27 AM

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It was an ambiguous ending. Even the directer said so. He said that it was up up the fans to decide how they interpret the ending.

Lelouch was alive:
1)The name says it. Code Geass and especially R2. We had C2 and V2, maybe R2 was the name Lelouch adopted after he became immortal.
2)Everything that Kamui-Yui wrote.

Lelouch died:
Well, they showed it.

So you see, everyone has their own opinions. Some believe that he is alive while some say he is dead. Even though I go with the former, I still think that the anime is a masterpiece, regardless whether Lelouch survives or not.
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Howling_Darkness said:
It was an ambiguous ending. Even the directer said so. He said that it was up up the fans to decide how they interpret the ending.
Just once I'd like someone to give a source on this.
Oct 30, 2014 3:36 AM

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haha yeah theres vid on youtube with him alive on the back of that farmers carriage,
but its probably fake, i think theres a scene of him in the ova part 2 akito the exiled.
great character, though
Nov 2, 2014 4:36 AM

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ReaperCreeper said:
Howling_Darkness said:
It was an ambiguous ending. Even the directer said so. He said that it was up up the fans to decide how they interpret the ending.
Just once I'd like someone to give a source on this.
It is the same interview they said Lelouch is dead. The "interpretation" the director is talking about is whether you find that a happy, sad or bittersweet ending.

But for some reason people take it as "OH MY GOD LELOUCH IS TOTALLY ALIVE!!!"
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BotatoPriest said:
ReaperCreeper said:
Just once I'd like someone to give a source on this.
It is the same interview they said Lelouch is dead. The "interpretation" the director is talking about is whether you find that a happy, sad or bittersweet ending.

But for some reason people take it as "OH MY GOD LELOUCH IS TOTALLY ALIVE!!!"


He's alive!! In all of our hearts. We are all Britannia.
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Nov 13, 2014 2:56 AM

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JUST WATCH THIS AND YOU"LL GET IT



I believe his alive
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JUST WATCH THIS AND YOU"LL GET IT



I believe his alive
We've all seen the fake video.
Nov 13, 2014 7:04 AM

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I find this interesting answer I found.
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The Biggest Clue that he didnt die was the Paper crane:Nunnally taught Lulu to make those in R1

Lelouch is still alive. He has Charles’ Code which he received when the man choked him. The Code activates first when you die, which happened. Charles code got activate when he shot himself the first time, same with C.C. when she was killed by the nun. And before you say can’t have Code and a Geass at the same time, the Code wasn’t the one C.C. had, meaning that Lelouch was the first one to achieve Code Geass. Lelouch’s code also activates when Suzaku stabbed him. Nunnally even gets ‘memory watch’ when she touched Lelouch. It was the similar effects when Lelouch touched C.C.’s body back in the cave episode. This pretty much tells us that he really has the code and it is activating to revive him. He’s now traveling the country-side with C.C., living as immortals.

That’s the only reason for C.C. to be suddenly so happy again. Also, before you say that C.C. was just talking to the dead like with Marianne, that’s not true. She could only talk to her because of the nature of her Geass which allowed her to implant herself into the “hearts” of others. That’s how she was able to talk with Marianne. Lelouch’s Geass was entirely different, meaning that she could only have spoken to him if he was there.

The man driving the cart at the end is Lelouch. You can tell by the way C.C. tilts her head back a bit and in the tone that she is using that she is talking to that person, who she calls Lelouch. They don't show you his face because they want to make you speculate about it, but he is alive."

I decided to leave it at that I want Lelouch alive ;~;

Dec 15, 2014 7:03 PM
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There are many debates discussing the issue concerning the truth behind Lelouch in the final scene of the anime. Did he really die or is he still alive? Actually, I can answer yes and no to both of them. By reviewing several comments, which supports both perspectives, I have made some definite conclusions. These conclusions are supported by my own observations and are indicating that the one once known as Lelouch Vi Britannia is dead but yet alive. Currently, I have 11 points I use as evidence in this analysis:

1. First of all it is necessary to explain how the "code" is obtained by using Charles Vi Britannia, Lelouch's dad, and C.C. as an example. Charles' geass had already evolved into the advanced version, i.e. where it shows up on both his eyes, by the time the viewer get to know him. In addition, C.C. did also evolve her eyes before she received the code. In both cases Charles and C.C. killed their predecessors by using the power of their advanced versions of geass. C.C.'s predecessor also states this condition herself. There is also another condition set before the code activates - one has to die. In the scene where C.C.'s predecessor tricks C.C., C.C. is wounded around her chest area with blood fussing out. Furthermore, Charles' code activates at the moment Lelouch orders him to die. As in these two cases, Lelouch receives the code in a similar way, thus obtaining true immortality. When Charles grabbed onto his throat he was technically killed by Lelouch - he dissipated in this case - thereby passing on the code from parent to child. It also gives a lot sense that Lelouch receives the geass from Charles who is his father, and thus is the successor of both his ability, the code, and the throne.
However, it's important to point out that he didn't activate the code until the last episode where the last condition, involving the bearer's dead, was fulfilled at the moment Suzaku killed him. This realization alone is a very strong argument in that Lelouch is actually alive and immortal at that. There is further evidence supporting this point. One should remark that C.C. also have the mark of the code on her forehead, while Charles has it on his hand. So Lelouch most likely has it on another part of his body.

2. Many critics points out that the creators of "Code Geass" declared that Lelouch Vi Britannia is no more. Now, it is true he actually did technically die, however, he is yet alive. Why is that? Well, the title of the second season is "R2". The reason is allegedly that the Japanese pronunciation of Lelouch would correspond to R in English of what I've read. In other words R2 is the same as R.R., similar to V.V. and C.C., and is derived from the name Lelouch, which goes with R as its initial.

3. Another evidence involves the name of the entire serialization "Code Geass". Why do you think it was called this? It is highly possible that the title is a combination of the abilities "code" and "geass". This hints that Lelouch in the end has both abilities. C.C. and Charles Vi Britannia didn't have both since they killed their predecessors and therefore losing their geasses. Lelouch didn't kill his predecessor C.C. but his father, thus obtaining the code while maintaining the geass afterwards.

4. If one pays close attention to the time after Charles dies, one can notice that Lelouch becomes more bold in his strategies, i.e. he shows up before his enemies more than before. That means he actually knows of his forthcoming immortality and he probably wouldn't have acted so bold if he didn't have this. He is a strategist that values his life when planning. An example of this is when he meets up with Nina face to face - she practically used to be a ticking bomb.

5. Another example of him knowing his own immortality is at the moment Suzaku stabs him. He shows confidence and doesn't seem like he is about to die at the least, it's actually like he's laughing inside himself for him being able to deceive everyone. Thus he is sure of his own position of being immortal. Moreover, there isn't any kinds of flashbacks showing his time with Nunnally or his friends when he is stabbed by Suzaku, which is commonly seen when a main protagonist dies. Instead we hear words filled with confidence about destroying and creating worlds.

6. Another important point to make is that Lelouch has been close to the embodiment of cheats, lies, control, and manipulation - all in order to make a better world. This is also why he is one of the greatest characters of all animes. So why wouldn't he lie about his own death? Of course he would. That is why everybody, even the creators of "Code Geass", are acknowledging his dead. They want everybody to be fooled by Lelouch, of course, and it seems to be working just fine. Try to set yourself in the place of the creators. Would you really admit Lelouch was alive? Lelouch is a pro and would never die, especially when Nunnally lives. He even fooled Suzaku by telling that he is influenced by the geass called "people's dreams" in order to make Suzaku also accept that Geass, therefore accepting his own inability to die at will. At the same time he assures a guardian for his sister Nunnally. He's truly an evil genius.

7. This and the following point involves C.C. Lelouch promised to make C.C. happy as she didn't manage to die. To maintain this promise he has to live. Before Lelouch dies she is begging, probably about him actually having the code. Afterwards in the carriage scene she is wearing a smile.

8. On the carriage C.C. states that the power of the king, i.e. geass, brings together people. This is told to Lelouch while she tilts he her own head upwards, indicating she is talking with the driver, allegedly Lelouch. Said statement bears the meaning that the world population have been brought together, however, it also includes individuals - of course also C.C. While she is smiling, she is together with Lelouch.

9. Now to further prove that the driver is Lelouch. The driver is wearing an identical collar to the collar Lelouch had before he was technically killed.

10. Another evidence that the driver is Lelouch is the paper crane atop the carrier, behind C.C. C.C. wouldn't bring such a thing and it most certainly is a symbol of Nunnally's and Lelouch's relationship. It is even a pink paper crane, a paper crane which was given by Nunnally to Lelouch in one of the early episodes.

11. The last evidence collected is that Mr. Orange is very loyal to Lelouch. He would never stand back and let Suzaku kill Lelouch that easily. Rather, he was merely standing and even smiled and pressed him onwards when Suzaku jumped on him. Thus he must have been knowledgeable to the faith of Lelouch.

Conclusion:
The creators of "Code Geass" left a whole bunch of evidence in order for people to actually reach the understanding that Lelouch is alive. This analysis is quite objective, i.e. it is built on elements in the anime. It is just like analyzing different literature, documentaries and other texts in society. It's all about putting oneself in the position of for instance the director, analyzing the personalities of the characters in the anime, and looking for evidence here and there. Thus you will reach this point.
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Wait, did you make an account just to spout all of this nonsense? Also I could swear this crap has been posted here before.
Dec 19, 2014 6:11 AM

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Oh hey, more tl;dr...
Dec 19, 2014 6:29 AM

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Lulu is dead and no amount of fanboyism can change the fact, just accept it and move on.
Dec 19, 2014 7:16 AM

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Just dropping by to make that all are hailing Lelouch.
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Dec 19, 2014 7:33 AM

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Lelouch is alive

tl;dr ?
He's alive
Dec 20, 2014 6:03 AM

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Just dropping by to make that all are hailing Lelouch.
ALL HAIL EMPEROR LELOUCH!!
Dec 20, 2014 6:09 AM

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his death was a perfect way to end the series. imo so thats just me but I am going to continue believing hes dead.
Dec 23, 2014 9:32 AM

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Wardo said:
his death was a perfect way to end the series. imo so thats just me but I am going to continue believing hes dead.

We can believe whatever we believe since that beauty of this ending
Dec 23, 2014 9:52 AM

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db84x said:
Wardo said:
his death was a perfect way to end the series. imo so thats just me but I am going to continue believing hes dead.

We can believe whatever we believe since that beauty of this ending

You can always believe whatever you want, you're entitled to your own interpretation, but that does not make It right. He's confirmed dead by the author and the R2 guidebook, that's the word of god, not much you can do about It. There's really no debate here, we've got official sources confirming that he's dead and none of them ever hinted that It's open ending, at this point It should be clear that they didn't intend to head into that direction.
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The ending is bad (stupid) no matter what happened to Lelouch. This probably can't be helped since the overall story was never one of the strong points of the series, and to tie all the loose ends properly --especially while keeping the series as short as it is-- got more and more difficult toward the end. The fact that the plot would short-circuit like this was easy to predict, as the main story started losing its direction pretty early on in the first season.

I was actually hoping for a real open end, as in one where Britannia stays unconquered and the black knights continue fighting, or alternatively one where Lelouch starts reigning as the emperor the series stops there. At least then everything could've been fixed with a sequel.
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I have to admit I didn't like r2 as much due to the bigger plot holes, but it was a fun ride regardless.

Imo Lelouch was reborn as a mahou shoujo. Though this thread is interesting, gonna have to reread it all some time.
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>director and staff say lelouch is dead

>morons on myanimelist from America say the staff (who wrote the script) are wrong and he is alive.

Priceless.
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SolvitePriest said:
>director and staff say lelouch is dead

>morons on myanimelist from America say the staff (who wrote the script) are wrong and he is alive.

Priceless.
have you seen the movies?
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SolvitePriest said:
>director and staff say lelouch is dead

>morons on myanimelist from America say the staff (who wrote the script) are wrong and he is alive.

Priceless.
have you seen the movies?
They are set between season 1 and season 2. Remember? There's a 1 year gap?

KazuhoYoshii said:
Imo Lelouch was reborn as a mahou shoujo.
Hmmm... I like this.
Dec 27, 2014 6:17 AM

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It already end 5 years ago, but I still found some conceited people from both camp
Jan 12, 2015 9:28 PM

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Its really up to the viewer's interpretation.
Even if the creators of CG said he died,There's a lot of evidence that he lived.
What's with the Paper crane? It has no meaning to C.C,etc.
Its kinda like how the creators of evangellion said there's no real christian meaning to it.
But people insist that there's meaning to it because there's so much proof that says otherwise.

Anyway I'm not really trying to be a fanboy and force that Lelouch lived or died.
I believe both happened in my interpretation.
Lelouch died and R.R is born.

Jan 12, 2015 9:47 PM

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Lelouch is alive evidence is everywhere.
Jan 13, 2015 2:07 AM

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I don't like this whole author thing, since he created CG and caused this drama he should have STFU about him being alive or dead. It's a bit like with mass effect, nobody likes a character who dies and breaks his promise.

For my part, I would prefer him alive and immortal, just so he could keep C2 company. I think they could make a hilarious romance comedy spin off.
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Let the spoiler tag commence.



Hopefully this explanation is more comprehensive than alot of the single sentence answers I'm seeing, and I'm sorry for the long read.

TL;DR: The director is still the one to decide, but probably.

Edit: Grammar
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To all the people saying the creators Cannoned his death; if you listen to the way they say it in the interview/post/whatever it is clear by the way the author says it that they were pressured into cannoning it, Japanese companies do it all the time.
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StrayBotato said:
ReaperCreeper said:
Just once I'd like someone to give a source on this.
It is the same interview they said Lelouch is dead. The "interpretation" the director is talking about is whether you find that a happy, sad or bittersweet ending.

But for some reason people take it as "OH MY GOD LELOUCH IS TOTALLY ALIVE!!!"


I too got this information from other forums and blogs. And I still believe it. But if what you say is true, then...Oh Well.

It was an amazing anime anyway. Whether or not Lelouch died.
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If Lelouche wasn't actually dead, that would turn one of the greatest endings in anime into an Aldnoah.Zero level asspull. Lelouche not dying takes out the entire emotional impact.
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Didn't they say that he died. Somehow people changed that into they said he's dead.
(Of course he had to die, so he could turn immortal lol.)

But I think it's really up the the viewer to decide. I personally think he's alive, because of so many hints and sentences in the anime that wouldn't make sense if he wasn't alive and not about the fact that it would be better etc.
Like season 2 being called R2 which is the same as with C2 = C.C and V2= V.V. So R2 = R.R and since the letter R is the same as L in japanese it could mean Lelouch Lamperouge.
As in Lelouch being now also an immortal like C2. Lelouch - R2 xD

But srsly. It should be up for the viewer to decide. That's also one of the best things with this show. You can interpret the ending the way you want it.
Why do people still try to make each other believe their opinion as the only real truth xD
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Of course the creators said Lelouche died, that's because he did die. He had to die to become immortal, that's how it works. Remember how C2 became immortal? It's a process. Kill person who has Code, get "killed", now immortal. Lelouch killed his father who had Code, Lelouch now has Code but not activated, Lelouch gets killed by Suzaku, code activates and he is no longer "Lelouch" but reborn as R2 (hence the title of the second season). Plus all the other evidence pointing to him being alive, like the crane, C2's comments, etc.
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The real answer to your questions: Lelouch is ALIVE!
lelouch is alive because of this evidence
lelouch is having the code, for your information the code is the v shaped-like in the forehead of c2 and emperor charles palm, the function of that is when someone kill you the code will be activate and then it will let you become immortal forever and thats why c2 never goes old in here appearance because of that and the power of lelouch and charles is called geass, the code will be appeared somewhere in lelouch body when the code activated.

next evidence is lelouch is having a contract, the first contract is lelouch will granting c2's wish (to be killed) and the second wish that lelouch is granted is he will be going with c2 forever.

next is a video has been release in a forum im not sure if it is fake but it has a point in that video, yes, lelouch has been killed but lelouch don't know about his immortality and c2's said it to him.

thats all

and there shall be cg r3 but a news i about to watch in a yt video said that the aniplex of america is begging in the creator of cg to stop making a code geass season 3 its because there will be having more animes and thats why in japanese version of cg there is a scene after c2 said "right, lelouch" the face of the man riding in the back of the horse was able to be see and according to that shape of the face i know that he is LELOUCH Vi. BRITANNIA THE EMPEROR OF THE AREA 11 AND THE WHOLE WORLD, THE MURDERER KNOWN AS ZERO AND THE STUDENT COUNCIL'S VICE PRESIDENT!.

if you still wouldn't believe this video might satisfy you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNhyzoq4mxo for the people who having some care in cg see for your self.
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I just finished this and wanted to give my 2 cents. I see a lot of people saying the creators said lelouch is dead and I haven't looked it up or anything so don't know what the context is, but Lelouch MUST have reborn as an immortal.

Everything in the show points towards this. After 12 pages there have been many great points about why this is likely, and they're always countered by people saying the creators have declared Lelouch dead. They had to have meant the old Lelouch was dead and even if they said no, he is absolutely completely dead dead, no rebirth, then they must have changed their minds about it after having finished making the show.

I know this sounds silly and some might call me a "fanboy" (I'm really not), but the evidence is overwhelming to me that Lelouch was supposed to have been reborn at the end. One more piece of evidence I'd like to add that I don't think I've seen mentioned is how CC muses at the end about how she always thought having the power of geass and the code meant being doomed to a life of solitude but it seems to have turned out she was wrong and that's when she looks up and says "right, Lelouch?".

I honestly can't believe it if the creators do mean that Lelouch is absolutely dead, they must have changed their mind after the fact or really don't want to be bothered for a new season.
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Of course the creators said Lelouche died, that's because he did die. He had to die to become immortal, that's how it works. Remember how C2 became immortal? It's a process. Kill person who has Code, get "killed", now immortal. Lelouch killed his father who had Code, Lelouch now has Code but not activated, Lelouch gets killed by Suzaku, code activates and he is no longer "Lelouch" but reborn as R2 (hence the title of the second season). Plus all the other evidence pointing to him being alive, like the crane, C2's comments, etc.


i believe that too, and not that troll comments from the author...
He said too "Writer Ichirō Ōkouchi agrees, saying that while some may regard Lelouch's end as a tragedy, he too likes to think of the ending as a happy one because Lelouch created a better tomorrow for those left behind. " - Wiki

and only a complete blinded guy dont see the hints that Lulu could be alive. In the end everyone believes in what he wants but this "lulu is dead. Period" guys dont get it.. open ending.
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Lelouch should have died completely. I dislike how they implied he transferred his conscious like his mother did. Killed the ending for me when I rewatched R2
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Lelouch should have died completely. I dislike how they implied he transferred his conscious like his mother did. Killed the ending for me when I rewatched R2


I liked it that way
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Lelouch should have died completely. I dislike how they implied he transferred his conscious like his mother did. Killed the ending for me when I rewatched R2
They didn't imply anything.
Mar 20, 2015 2:22 PM

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So could anyone say what really happened to Lelouch? Is he alive or dead?
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HammerPL said:
So could anyone say what really happened to Lelouch? Is he alive or dead?


We will never know...It is implied that he is dead by some, but also inferred that maybe he is a alive! Long live Lelouch Vi Britannia!

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We will never know...It is implied that he is dead by some, but also inferred that maybe he is a alive! Long live Lelouch Vi Britannia!


Yeah, right now I am searching for true info about it. I need to see manga.

All Hail Lelouch!
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HammerPL said:
CloudStrifeFFVII said:
We will never know...It is implied that he is dead by some, but also inferred that maybe he is a alive! Long live Lelouch Vi Britannia!


Yeah, right now I am searching for true info about it. I need to see manga.

All Hail Lelouch!
The manga is an adaptation, the original is the anime.

And there is no implication of him being alive, just some people who don't want him to be dead made up stuff.

If you're looking for canon/Word of God, the writers said he's dead.
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3 years ago I would have argued he was alive. Now that I am more mature, he is dead to me

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Mar 31, 2015 5:55 AM

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I think hes alive.Crane,how Jeremiah just let his master die and how C2 called out his name at the last part.
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He is dead and in hell get over it fan boys

Agreed

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
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Of course the creators said Lelouche died, that's because he did die. He had to die to become immortal, that's how it works. Remember how C2 became immortal? It's a process. Kill person who has Code, get "killed", now immortal. Lelouch killed his father who had Code, Lelouch now has Code but not activated, Lelouch gets killed by Suzaku, code activates and he is no longer "Lelouch" but reborn as R2 (hence the title of the second season). Plus all the other evidence pointing to him being alive, like the crane, C2's comments, etc.

Lelouch commanded the gods to kill Charles, which probably shouldn't be considered a tool but a whole different being, so no, he didn't kill Charles.

Okouchi said that Lelouch death could be seen as sad for some, why would It be sad If he meant Lelouch just became immortal? More importantly, do you truly believe he was retarded enough to give a message that was the exact opposite of what he meant? If he wanted to say that Lelouch inherited the code and became immortal he would likely have said exactly that instead of simply saying that he's dead and expecting you to figure the rest.

You guys are looking too deep into it to find evidence that Lelouch is alive, lol. He's dead, deal with It.
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I saw that many people are telling that writers said Lelouch is dead but I never saw official message from them.
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So um...The second season is called "Code Geass R2". In japanese, the "L"'s in lelouch's name are actually "R"s. Therefore, CC is C2, VV is V2, and Lelouch Lamperouge (aka LL or in actual japanese pronunciation, RR) is actually R2. Aka, he is immortal. *drops mic*
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