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| ??? Unsatisfying, rushed clusterfuck. Well, it was a good first half. |
infinitymonkey said: After seeing all that, now I'm positive that Katze is the reflection of the "darkness" inside everyone and the reason why Hajime cannot see him is because of the absence of the said "darkness" in her. When Hajime absorbed Katze, it created a balance between them. This is where Hajime's belief about "nothing is pure white or pure black" with Hajime representing former and Katze being the latter. Nice ending. Gonna miss this show. I think your theory makes absolute sense - it explains a lot of things I wasn't too sure about. Thanks for sharing this with us. :) I really liked the ending, may it be incomplete or not, and i liked, that they only hinted to some things. Yeah, some information was clearly missing, but I rather like it this way than the "overexplaining" some other series do. I like it when my imagination, intelligence and attention are challenged. "Gatchaman Crowds" wasn't big on explaination since episode 1 anyways. And an ending like that, in my opinion, encourages a deeper and more interesting conversation/discussion afterwards. (That's why i liked "Donnie Darko" so much - you had to watch it several times, browse through the web and/or read "The Philosophy of Time Travel" to fully understand everything. I spent hours discussing this movie with friends. Aah, good times. :D) |
| not what i expected, but still a good final episode. 7/10 alexsamuelss said: I logged in just to give you guys this information. It seems like the original episode 11 was too long to play on TV. So they replace the episode 11's Part A(first half) with the special theme(I believe it was originally planned for a extra episode) and moved the orignal Part A to Part B. Episode 11's Part B was moved to episode 12's Part A and so on. This is why the ending doesn't seem to be complete. Episode 12's Part B is pretty much all taken out. There was an article where the director of Gatchaman Crowd apologized for this. So, if we want to see what exactly happened in episode 12, we may have to wait.... Possibly until the Blueray Disc version come out. Here is a picture of the apology http://ww3.sinaimg.cn/large/64a00586gw1e926unwxdxj20c80lajta.jpg don't click this if you don't trust the site. I couldn't find the original article. I only saw people discussing about it. thanks! this explains a lot. Klutz said: (That's why i liked "Donnie Darko" so much - you had to watch it several times, browse through the web and/or read "The Philosophy of Time Travel" to fully understand everything. I spent hours discussing this movie with friends. Aah, good times. :D) One of my fav movies :D |
My DeviantArt and Pixiv and still waiting patiently for a 3rd season of Spice & Wolf :'| |
| Woah the fight between OD and Katse was awesome so did OG die? and at the last part Katse trolling Hajime hahaha |
| I dont get it, the ending was so bland/boring/no closure? And what happend to OD? There are to many questions that are/werent answered... 6/10 |
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phantom19 said: Wow what a satisfying ending!! Out of the shows I watched this season, this one is definitely AOTS. Incredible OST and very likable characters. The art style was a little strange but I felt it went well with the whole futuristic vibe. There are a lot of things I want to say but I will make one point in particular. I think this show did a good job in showing how most people are. I think at times I forget that most people aren't nice or willing to help others. The riddle that Berg comes up for Hajime illustrates this point. However, Hajime asks what makes a hero? Notice that the Crowds users were at first using the power to wreck havoc since they had this newfound ability. No one was really using it to try and stop the other "bad users". It wasn't until Rui comes up with the idea of it being a game and gaining points do the people start to fight against the criminals. So these now "do-gooders", should they be considered heroes? Their helping is now secondary to them gaining for themselves points and trying to out do one another. Notice when that woman who saved the grandfather and child. She was more concerned with the points she'd get than with the actual saving. So both sides of the fight are acting on self interest. So what exactly makes a hero? Very strong way to put that good and evil aren't so clear cut and possibly don't exist. Again, this was AOTS without a doubt. I don't rank usually but I'll give this an 8/10 solid. ...Hajime answers this by singing: "everyone is a hero." Hajime always agreed with Rui. It's even in the interviews. Galax helped her, after all, she adhered to Galax's viewpoint, but added her own application too. The only time they clashed was about the Gatchaman place in the world which Rui came into terms with it (and his own insecurity, that's why his Note changes to a regular Gatchaman Note). |
| The only thing good about this show is Rui sexy legs 5/10 |
| I enjoyed OD vs Katze while it lasted... Overall was a pretty underwhelming ending. At the end, I was assuming that Hajime was just talking to Katze like normal. I thought the series started better than it ended (had good energy)... it kept losing steam as it went though. 4/10 (below average) |
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| sigh, typical nakamura ending with little closure and some confusion. My series score is 7/10, was a solid 8 before this last episode... |
| Uh-huh, after what alexsamuelss said, I get why the series feels incomplete - there're literally quite a few things skipped in the finale. Looks like we gotta wait till the BD Box comes out in January to get the full picture... |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| I really expected more of the ending. The date was left off screen which was sad. The solution to solving the Crowds was also poorly done. However the the mc, Hajime, was really memorable and well voiced so thats a plus. 8/10 |
| Only if it had one more episode for proper ending with proper pace. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
| GATCHA OFF! XD damn OD is really awesome :3 wait IS HE DEAD? I'M NOT SEEING HIM IN THE END! and katze henshin AWESOME too :3 damn I really want galax application in real world lol :3 |
| Wow what. ... I MEAN ... SRLSLY?!???? Katze became Hajimes boobs or what? And whats happened with OD-san and Utsutsu und Jou-san?!???????? OD-SAN?!???? I was like "Cry and cry more", I don't get it?!????? |
| I liked the ending. then again, I do tend to like shows that doesn't force explanations to everything. The message was really good and although executed weirdly, I found it enjoyable and it was wrapped up rather well. Here are my thoughts on some aspects: Hajime/Katze: they are both right and what they say is sensible. They are similar in the way of perceiving the surroundings, they differ in execution. that's why they get along rather too well. Hajime absorbing Katze was a smart move I did not expect. whether with fists or words, she managed to tame -not kill- him. Why now not earlier? most likely because she couldn't until now, whether he was physically weakened after his fight with OD, or after he was spiritually down after being ignored by everyone. As they frequently mention, Katze doesn't destroy things directly but rather choose to n=manipulate. So killing him is not necessary, ignoring him is enough, we all learned not to feed the troll. JJ: why isn't he doing anything? because it's not his job. he is there to gives the gift of gatchaman and prophecies. what beings do with these gifts is their business. Heroism: is not easy to define. if you do a heroic act with not so heroic intentions, are you still a hero? if you wanted to help someone but ended doing something bad, are you evil? what is more important, the act or the intent? 8/10 |
TooFy said: I liked the ending. then again, I do tend to like shows that doesn't force explanations to everything. The message was really good and although executed weirdly, I found it enjoyable and it was wrapped up rather well. Here are my thoughts on some aspects: Hajime/Katze: they are both right and what they say is sensible. They are similar in the way of perceiving the surroundings, they differ in execution. that's why they get along rather too well. Hajime absorbing Katze was a smart move I did not expect. whether with fists or words, she managed to tame -not kill- him. Why now not earlier? most likely because she couldn't until now, whether he was physically weakened after his fight with OD, or after he was spiritually down after being ignored by everyone. As they frequently mention, Katze doesn't destroy things directly but rather choose to n=manipulate. So killing him is not necessary, ignoring him is enough, we all learned not to feed the troll. JJ: why isn't he doing anything? because it's not his job. he is there to gives the gift of gatchaman and prophecies. what beings do with these gifts is their business. Heroism: is not easy to define. if you do a heroic act with not so heroic intentions, are you still a hero? if you wanted to help someone but ended doing something bad, are you evil? what is more important, the act or the intent? 8/10 Your explanation of the ending made feel better on why episode 12 ended the way it did. Thank you |
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-MgZ_ said: 8/10 I don't really know what to say. Yes, it was confusing but that's the reason I loved it. I really hope we get some explanation in the BD. You took the words out of my mouth! |
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| Great till the end, dafuq just happened i get that she somehow 'absorbed' Katze, but it wasn't a proper ending at ALL, it was just so abrupt like they ran out of time! >.<!!!!! I loved the show till the end, would've given it 9/10 if not for the ending. They better do a sequel OVA at least. /sad 8/10 |
Professorohki said: Some people loving the ending, some people hating the ending, everyone debating it on GALA- er, the Internet - 10/10 for the well-played meta-ending. Wow, congrats on your first post, senpai! |
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| great ending!!! been waiting for this kind of series. |
| Heart pumping episode!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Well that was a rather odd ending... I wish they would have explained what went down between Katze and Hajime, but it was still an interesting series, but not one of my favorites of the season... 8/10 |
| And I called it. Back when Katze first appeared I said I could see epic action at the end but definitely the consistent message in this anime is that violence and confrontation is not the way to go and so I predicted Katze would not be defeated at the end but would only be tamed. And so it seems to turn out, even though how he was tamed is not explained. I can see definitely the episode runs out of space and story gets jumpy near the end. What alexsamuelss said about ep.11 being too long puzzles me - if they cut out the recap part of ep.11 part A, shouldn't it be 12 minutes or so extra space for the final actions? I wonder whether the real reason is not ep.11 being too long for TV broadcast but in fact the staff ran out of time to make ep.11 and so stuff half of the episode with recap footage which ended up meaning insufficient space to tell the whole story. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Holy shit. What a conclusion. It was quite confusionary but after reflecting, it had a sense. Anyway, Joe, OD, Katze and the prime minister are the best characters. OST 10/10, I fucking love Iwasaki. Hajime was hilarious as fuck. Great CG and art. I'll give it 8/10. |
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| did katze become hajime's oppais? |
 ^ Why isn't this updating... |
Pizuya said: did katze become hajime's oppais? Yes he did. How I envy him. |
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Pizuya said: It is hard to tell where the voice of Katze came from except it seems to be from somewhere close to Hajime. So is he part of her body now? Or inside some accessories she is wearing? Or actually became part of her mind? We don't quite know, much less how Katze got to that end.did katze become hajime's oppais? |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Pizuya said: did katze become hajime's oppais? (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| Just finished Gatchaman! And that was pretty cool :) But... Where is Utsutsu!? Maybe saved OD or something like this... Same for JJ where is he? Well hope for a season 2! :) That was great, OST and all... GREAT! 9/10! |
KamenNHKOct 3, 2013 3:41 PM
| Here's the dealio. The show was a good run, and I don't mind open ended anime, but JJ doing nothing, Mess randomly appearing OD dying with not even a mention of him (Even if Hajime knew about it she wouldn't be sad because she is for some reason unable to compute emotions like sadness or frustration. Sociopath.) Katze miraculous full body recovery, soom followed by a total disappearance and then after which he becomes a voice inside of Hajime's head Just to name a few... You can always not explain something in a show and lazily call it "deep", "open ended", or a "perspective anime", but there's certain info you can let people decipher on their own and things that could be explained or just not even mentioned like the Mess which had no significance in the story except to illustrate how unconventional everything Hajime does is. The fact of the matter is they brought elements into the story that captured your interest and due to this they are obligated to satisfy this or they cannot expect people to appreciate it. Some questions I have: How did Katze turn into a voice? When could Hajime absorb invisible aliens? How could she be sure if she did, she wouldn't be affected negatively by this? Why didn't she do it earlier and avoid senseless deaths which she wouldn't care about any way? If OD couldn't destroy Katze in a ten minute battle, why should I believe Hajime can absorb and control him indefinitely? My questions are never ending. So I have th stop here. Rating: 7/10. Like I said earlier. Live the characters, art, music, comedy, action, it's great. The show had a good run. The ending was not open ended to me but neglected. Needs a second season. On a positive note, if there were a second season and Hajime did in fact absorb Katze, maybe Hajime would be a more emotionally well rounded and believable person. Especially seeing how overly negative he is compared to her overly, frivolous, lackadaisical, positivity. Who knows. |
| Okay so Hajime absorbed Katse somehow? How the heck did that happen? Regardless, awesome show. I give it a 8/10 with a don! |
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cheesepuff said: Precisely, I said quite early in the show (when Katze first appeared) that I believe at the end Katze would not be defeated, much less killed, but would only be tamed or pacified, which seems to be what is happening here. Though I am sure they have missed out showing something that took place before the epilogue. Things look a bit confusing as it is.MESS was there to remind the viewer of how Hajime deals with her enemies. Because 'fighting will never change the world'. She decided to make Katze her friend by asking him out and baiting him into having fun trying to turn her evil. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Well, I just marathon this today and well, I really like the first half of the season tbh but the couple last episodes was not that appealing to me. Though I would say doing some CROWDS clean up around the city was entertaining and the ending was decent. I would give this and 8/10. |
| Haha that ending his plan were all destroyed, great ending I must say to this quite amazing anime series full of nice development, great characters and a pretty decent buildup towards this good end! |
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| The ending felt really sudden, which doesn't sit well with me. Katze's presence at the end isn't my main concern, to be honest. What happened to OD, Jou, and Utsutsu? Is OD dead or just... comatose?? And the army of MESS that swarm in at the end seemed really unnecessary, the reason given by cheesepuff notwithstanding. I have to say this episode and the whole anime get a 7/10 from me. |
| It's true many unanswered questions came out of that ending. Mine is whether those who lost their CROWDS, going up against Katze, woke up from their coma. I'd feel bad for the little girl who was digging a grave for her hospitalized father. If they did wake up, I'd be curious to know how they'd react to how the world was updated. And couldn't Katze just take away the CROWDS if using them is having the opposite effect? "World Downgraded"... much. I can see many viewers would like to see a second season; but then I'd suggest you watch the other version, Kagaku Ninja-Tai Gatchaman, if you haven't already, which has a second season BTW. I don't have any plans to, considering questions will still go unanswered. I read a few other comments too. There are too many things to consider implementing into a second season that I don't thing they'd go through with it. I'll miss the opening of this anime most. I was satisfied enough to accept whatever ending they came up with, so I won't ask for more. It's clear Gatchaman will no long be need unless a suggestion, such as my own or someone else's in this thread came true; however, that's very unlikely. |
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Irenesharda said: Asrialys said: lol I think it was somewhat apparent from the first episode, and following ones, that they wouldn't explain anything.The best the viewers can do is watch and listen. And there's nothing wrong with using the official website and perhaps any materials in the home video release to provide some further information. It's not unusual to urge the audience to check out the website for more information. Heck, even Servant x Service was always encouraging viewers to go to the website after the ending credits. That's not a particularly complex show. I find that extremely lazy. A show or movie should be able to stand on their own without a person having to look up supplementary material. That why it's called "supplementary". What happens when the website's no longer up, or the information is no longer available? A movie or show should be able to be seen alone and still be enjoyable and understandable by its audience. I agree with this. If you wanted to make a confusing ending then hat that's but giving a half ending and trying to explain things threw a website makes you wonder why didn't they put them in the show in the first place. It's the same reason i never think any Fate series is great because without a tone of explanations from V.N and light novels etc they make no damn sense in many parts and they should be able to stand on their own as a show.. |
| that was meh. I'm another fool who started this because of a loli in a small bikini then I started to like hajime but then she became annoying and the ecchi never increased so I kept watching for the transformations, fights and plot but that was a letdown too, |
| ^ I like your way of watching anime and the way you adapt to what you are watching and yet that was the reason that caused your downfall LOL |
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