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MikasaxEren said: Annie lead the normal titans there, so she is just as responsible for Carla Yeagers death./ About the other two.... [MAJOR MANGA SPOILERS] MikasaxEren said: Of course all three of them have committed Henious acts, the blood of over 250,000 is on their hands. It's just that some people seem to think Annie is somehow less responsible than the other two when she had just as much a part in it as the colossal and armoured titan. Majority of the time whenever I'm venturing on both sides of the fandom (manga and anime) so far I've seen the complete opposite. Most people hate Annie because her criminal actions are more "up close", yet many are quick to forgive the Colossal Titan and the Armored Titan, so how exactly do you explain that? [MAJOR MANGA SPOILERS AGAIN] Edit- Shuffled again for better reading comprehension. |
ronriSep 18, 2013 10:28 AM
MikasaxEren said: DragonCactus said: MikasaxEren said: DragonCactus said: sim0n2170 said: Madin312 said: I love how everyone is dissing on Annie when the other two may actually be worse than her... But she killed Petra :( The Colossal Titan, in a way, killed Eren's mom! Carla wouldn't have died (at least, not there) if that piece of the wall hadn't fallen on the house. Obviously, there's a lot of factors in that attack I'm not saying, but at this point I don't think Annie is the worst, I think all three are pretty much equal. Annie lead the normal titans there, so she is just as responsible for Carla Yeagers death./ About the other two.... I agree with the fact that all three of them had equal responsibility with the death of Carla, just that Annie isn't the only one that's terrible. Whether Annie actually truly feels guilty, there's no way to tell right now as she's underground. The other two got a lot more screen time. Of course all three of them have committed Henious acts, the blood of over 250,000 is on their hands. It's just that some people seem to think Annie is somehow less responsible than the other two when she had just as much a part in it as the colossal and armoured titan. Edit, on their goal: They stopped destroying the wall as Eren's titan form appeared, and have now tried to capture him. Their goal seems to have switched from destroying the walls to capturing Eren for whatever reason. Agreed, Annie is not less responsible. But I do not, also, consider her more responsible either. I do recall your being upset over Annie smiling while killing scouts--a logical thing to get angry over. But there is also the possibility the other two could have done the exact same thing. Annie didn't look like the type to do that, and neither do the other two, but we don't know. The most major flaw about discussing the trio is that we don't know enough about them. Until we do, I consider each of them equal. |
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| I knew about it being Isayama's idea/second-third-fourth option. This isn't my first time posting 'ere. What I meant and what I do believe I said was that the manga author neither directed nor animated his idea. And he may very well be chuffed with the execution--doesn't mean others agree. And a creator is nothing without fans pleased with his or her creation. There's a lot of factors to that laugh other than Annie simply laughing. The blush is just one single aspect. There's the... elation in the voice actresses' voice which followed the laughter, as well as how her eyes had a look of satisfaction after the laughter; giving the orgasm thing its 'GO!' when paired with the blushing. Then there's the lightning highlighting the lips, checks, eyes, hair, etc; giving a sexualised edge as opposed to a stress-release impression. Simply put, it just didn't look or sound like the weight had been too much for her and she was happy to be rid of it; just psychotic... hence the yandere line of thought when paired with the blushing. I said before: I was fine(ish) with the laughter when her face wasn't shown during the part where she held her arm. And had she cried, I would've accepted it as more of a natural reaction. But the video and audio contradicted the reported intent. And that's the problem. Gonna leave this discussion here since I've typed enough on the subject in pages past... and, more importantly, my back is hurting. |
| I'm so sad I didn't get the chance to watch this episode until today. So obviously the identity of the FT wasn't much of a surprise for most of the audience, but the build-up of tension between the characters was just fantastic to watch. I didn't care that much for Annie/the FT before as a character, but she was fascinating to watch in this episode. I thought some of the development in the first half of the episode was kind of awkwardly done though. I get what they were trying to hint at, but it felt so inorganic and forced when they were showing the corruption of authority and such. At least the second half of the episode made up for it. |
| I like Eren because he headbutted Mikasa in one of the earlier episodes =) |
Forgetfulness said: Yeah, but like no one cares about Eren's mom. Petra on the other hand... I disagree. I didn't care about Petra that much but when Eren's mom died, I was quite shocked. |
DragonCactus said: sim0n2170 said: Madin312 said: I love how everyone is dissing on Annie when the other two may actually be worse than her... But she killed Petra :( The Colossal Titan, in a way, killed Eren's mom! Carla wouldn't have died (at least, not there) if that piece of the wall hadn't fallen on the house. Obviously, there's a lot of factors in that attack I'm not saying, but at this point I don't think Annie is the worst, I think all three are pretty much equal. I misss Eren's first old squad :( |
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RaurosFalls said: I'm an anime-watcher only and I definitely feel the colossal and armored titan deserve more of the blame than Annie... I like Annie, because she's very thoughtful and truly seems guilty about her actions, like it's not something she really wants to do. Wistful forlorn and melancholy are words I would use to describe her. I don't think she was crying just because she failed her mission. Though at the end of this episode you do get a taste of her more predatory expression. I'll bet you the other two are more merciless. mayukachan said: I disagree. I didn't care about Petra that much but when Eren's mom died, I was quite shocked. I felt a little worse for Petra I think but the thing that got me about Eren's mom is that if you look when the titan lifted her, you can see her legs weren't actually crushed from the rubble (maybe it's just my imagination). In the Manga the titan crushes her in its hand, and blood spurts out of her mouth. Eren watches all this as well, and you actually see the titan eat her (it bites her legs off). |
MikasaxEren said: kuity said: Zzzz...Eren should just have stayed dead. His random angry/emo outbursts are so goddamn annoying. Mikasa would be a much more interesting character at that point too, instead of simply being the boring 'random OP Vengeful Protector of Eren' she is now. And they can give more time to Armin, who actually knows how to use his (hey-what-do-they-call-that-thing-inside-your-skull-Eren??)brain. I'm so perplexed at why all the other characters are so taken with Eren. That whole institutionized majority thing Annie was talking about? Yeah, we have a place for those who don't belong in this 'institutionized majority' in society. It's called the asylum. And Eren belongs there. Good, some more mindless Eren hate without looking into his character at all. If Eren belongs in an asylum, so does Mikasa. The other characters are taken by Eren because he has the balls to fight. Mikasa isn't a boring character, her relationship with Eren is her character, because without "rahgghrr Emo Eren rage herp derp" she would be a sex slave. If Eren had stayed dead, Mikasa would have died sooner or later. In fact Mikasa would have been killed if Eren's titan form didn't save her. Eren is the source of her strength "Eren as long as you are with me, I can do anything", without him she would have died and if she survived just be an emotionless husk, who had lost the source of her strength. So Eren doesn't use his brain? How does he manage to kill two adult men? by outsmarting them, yet he is an idiot? lol, Eren hater logic of peace. Eren's passion and desire (what you call emo, is actually called passion) is what motivated most of the main characters to join the Scouting Legion, without him all of your other precious characters would have joined the garrison or military police. Armin would have died if it wasn't for Eren, if Eren had stayed dead Trost would have been taken, the armored titan would have appeared and broken through wall rose, and well you get the picture. Eren isn't needed in an asylum, more people like him are needed in a war like this one. Eren fights for the freedom of humanity, unlike some people who joined the military through selfishness (Jean and everybody else who wanted to join the military police). If Eren had stayed dead, humanity would have been wiped out and everybody else would have died, such as much better story. On Mikasa, you fail to understand her if you find her boring. Of course she is going to protect Eren, just like he tries to protect her (although he is the one mostly in danger, because he has been specifically targeted). To her Eren is the source of beauty ( His passion and idealism, in the cruel and cold world) in the world, and she loves him very much, of course she is going to try and protect him at all costs, she has already lost everybody else. Boy you are so into this! I can see the parallel between your passion and Erens'! Hahaha. Although, I think that you are missing my point.  The thing is that, if you see someone doing that irl you would probably want to sent him to an asylum. Yeah of course Eren is Mikasa's savior and all that but adopting him as the one and only focal point of her entire life makes her a rather one-dimensional character. And so literally whenever the screen switches over to Mikasa I can pinpoint with certainty that she's probably going to say something like, 'Where's Eren', 'Have you seen Eren', or 'Eren, are you hurt', and stuff like that. If that's not the definition of boring I think I need to go and relearn English. Shingeki no Kyoujin reminds me a lot of those extreme survivalist manga. Well usually it's something like zombies so SnK is pretty creative in this aspect. Thing is, this kind of genre sets up a hypothetical situation and places human characters inside. It is interesting exactly because it raises questions like, "Suppose we take a human who is relegated to the bottom-most echelons of the society that we know, and place him inside an experimental set-up like the world of Shingeki no Kyoujin. What kind of story is going to play out?" Well, as much as I appreciate this kind of experimental thinking, I think I am extremely justified in saying that Eren's character does not appeal to me. That kind of extreme-impulsive, hatred and rage driven, borderline bloodthirsty is perhaps all very well in some place like what, a gladiator's arena? But it is not someone who I can relate to. In fact I if I knew someone like that I'm going to do my best to place as much distance between me and him as is humanly possible. Another point. Mikasa is not same as Eren. There is a fine distinction between the situations where Mikasa kills someone and where Eren kills someone. For him, there is not a moment of hesitation. What he possesses is the instinct of a predatory creature. Something that belongs to the top of the food chain. When Mikasa kills it is usually as when she has no other choice. And so no, she doesn't belong in an asylum. RaurosFalls said: kuity said: Lol! Awesome. I never thought about it but his gungho attitude is kind of messed up. He's like Lloyd in Tales of Symphonia. Such a character can only survive in games and anime. Exactly.. |
kuitySep 18, 2013 6:40 PM
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kuity said: MikasaxEren said: kuity said: Good, some more mindless Eren hate without looking into his character at all. If Eren belongs in an asylum, so does Mikasa. The other characters are taken by Eren because he has the balls to fight. Mikasa isn't a boring character, her relationship with Eren is her character, because without "rahgghrr Emo Eren rage herp derp" she would be a sex slave. If Eren had stayed dead, Mikasa would have died sooner or later. In fact Mikasa would have been killed if Eren's titan form didn't save her. Eren is the source of her strength "Eren as long as you are with me, I can do anything", without him she would have died and if she survived just be an emotionless husk, who had lost the source of her strength. So Eren doesn't use his brain? How does he manage to kill two adult men? by outsmarting them, yet he is an idiot? lol, Eren hater logic of peace. Eren's passion and desire (what you call emo, is actually called passion) is what motivated most of the main characters to join the Scouting Legion, without him all of your other precious characters would have joined the garrison or military police. Armin would have died if it wasn't for Eren, if Eren had stayed dead Trost would have been taken, the armored titan would have appeared and broken through wall rose, and well you get the picture. Eren isn't needed in an asylum, more people like him are needed in a war like this one. Eren fights for the freedom of humanity, unlike some people who joined the military through selfishness (Jean and everybody else who wanted to join the military police). If Eren had stayed dead, humanity would have been wiped out and everybody else would have died, such as much better story. On Mikasa, you fail to understand her if you find her boring. Of course she is going to protect Eren, just like he tries to protect her (although he is the one mostly in danger, because he has been specifically targeted). To her Eren is the source of beauty ( His passion and idealism, in the cruel and cold world) in the world, and she loves him very much, of course she is going to try and protect him at all costs, she has already lost everybody else. Boy you are so into this! I can see the parallel between your passion and Erens'! Hahaha. Although, I think that you are missing my point. The thing is that, if you see someone doing that irl you would probably want to sent him to an asylum. Yeah of course Eren is Mikasa's savior and all that but adopting him as the one and only focal point of her entire life makes her a rather one-dimensional character. And so literally whenever the screen switches over to Mikasa I can pinpoint with certainty that she's probably going to say something like, 'Where's Eren', 'Have you seen Eren', or 'Eren, are you hurt', and stuff like that. If that's not the definition of boring I think I need to go and relearn English. Shingeki no Kyoujin reminds me a lot of those extreme survivalist manga. Well usually it's something like zombies so SnK is pretty creative in this aspect. Thing is, this kind of genre sets up a hypothetical situation and places human characters inside. It is interesting exactly because it raises questions like, "Suppose we take a human who is relegated to the bottom-most echelons of the society that we know, and place him inside an experimental set-up like the world of Shingeki no Kyoujin. What kind of story is going to play out?" Well, as much as I appreciate this kind of experimental thinking, I think I am extremely justified in saying that Eren's character does not appeal to me. That kind of extreme-impulsive, hatred and rage driven, borderline bloodthirsty is perhaps all very well in some place like what, a gladiator's arena? But it is not someone who I can relate to. In fact I if I knew someone like that I'm going to do my best to place as much distance between me and him as is humanly possible. Another point. Mikasa is not same as Eren. There is a fine distinction between the situations where Mikasa kills someone and where Eren kills someone. For him, there is not a moment of hesitation. What he possesses is the instinct of a predatory creature. Something that belongs to the top of the food chain. When Mikasa kills it is usually as when she has no other choice. And so no, she doesn't belong in an asylum. RaurosFalls said: kuity said: Lol! Awesome. I never thought about it but his gungho attitude is kind of messed up. He's like Lloyd in Tales of Symphonia. Such a character can only survive in games and anime. Exactly.. Eren doesn't need to be in a asylum because he has legitimate hate for a legitimate reason about a legitimate problem: the titans. If Eren should go to an asylum for hating the titans, then Levi should follow him straight after, seeing as he hates the titans just as much (The only difference is Levi is better at keeping it inside). Once the titans are destroyed and Eren can see the outside world he would be a pretty normal person, just a person with a strong sense of justice and a free spirit. Eren's desire to see the outside world is the purest of human expressions, the feeling of wanting to be free. Killing the titans is just a side mission towards getting to see the outside world "I will destroy the titans and break free of these cramped walls. That is my dream, mankind isn't finished yet!" His spirit is too strong sometimes, which is why Mikasa is so important to his character, her ability to calm him down and save him. (When he starts a fight with Jean, Mikasa clams him down immediately, until Jean gets all butthurt and jelly and grabs Eren). In a normal world Eren wouldn't have ended up in an asylum, because there would be no Titans, he would be a strong willed character, but he wouldn't be considered "crazy". Mikasa is exactly the same as Eren in how they killed people, in that situation killing was necessary. And apart from then, Eren has never killed anybody. If he was as crazy as you guys think he is, and so "murderous," Jean would've been in a bodybag by now. Mikasa and Eren both killed a person in the same situation, to save eachother. So how in any way shape or form was Mikasa's killiing only when necessary and Eren's wasn't? What you see Eren doing in that picture wouldn't make you want to send him into an asylum, what he is showing is rage caused by extreme loss and anguish. His mother was brutally killed in front of his own eyes, his home taken away from him, and he was too weak to do anything. That is a pretty normal human reaction, if everything was taken away from you, and suddenly you had the power to fight back (titan form) wouldn't you accept the offer? I don't really find Mikasa boring because to me, her and Eren are almost one character, they would both be dead pretty quickly without the other side. This is evident by Eren always getting into trouble when she isn't around, and when he "died" Mikasa would have died if Eren hadn't saved her (Notice this scene is almost like a parallel to when he killed the kidnappers, only this time its titan vs titan instead of human vs human to save her life). Cliffs: Eren has a strong will, but he isn't "crazy" Once the titan are gone, Eren would be pretty normal. He would still have a strong sense of justice and a strong spirit, but he wouldn't kill himself because there are no titans to "slaughter" anymore Mikasa and Eren are almost like one character, they would both fall without the other one there to prop them up. |
Forgetfulness said: ^ Mild spoiler. It's not some huge plot twist but I figured it should go in there since it hasn't been shown in the anime yet Major Spoilers^ Again, I don't discount that the two have shown some level of guilt, but to say that they've shown "more guilt" than Annie seems a bit much. |
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MikasaxEren said: kuity said: MikasaxEren said: kuity said: Good, some more mindless Eren hate without looking into his character at all. If Eren belongs in an asylum, so does Mikasa. The other characters are taken by Eren because he has the balls to fight. Mikasa isn't a boring character, her relationship with Eren is her character, because without "rahgghrr Emo Eren rage herp derp" she would be a sex slave. If Eren had stayed dead, Mikasa would have died sooner or later. In fact Mikasa would have been killed if Eren's titan form didn't save her. Eren is the source of her strength "Eren as long as you are with me, I can do anything", without him she would have died and if she survived just be an emotionless husk, who had lost the source of her strength. So Eren doesn't use his brain? How does he manage to kill two adult men? by outsmarting them, yet he is an idiot? lol, Eren hater logic of peace. Eren's passion and desire (what you call emo, is actually called passion) is what motivated most of the main characters to join the Scouting Legion, without him all of your other precious characters would have joined the garrison or military police. Armin would have died if it wasn't for Eren, if Eren had stayed dead Trost would have been taken, the armored titan would have appeared and broken through wall rose, and well you get the picture. Eren isn't needed in an asylum, more people like him are needed in a war like this one. Eren fights for the freedom of humanity, unlike some people who joined the military through selfishness (Jean and everybody else who wanted to join the military police). If Eren had stayed dead, humanity would have been wiped out and everybody else would have died, such as much better story. On Mikasa, you fail to understand her if you find her boring. Of course she is going to protect Eren, just like he tries to protect her (although he is the one mostly in danger, because he has been specifically targeted). To her Eren is the source of beauty ( His passion and idealism, in the cruel and cold world) in the world, and she loves him very much, of course she is going to try and protect him at all costs, she has already lost everybody else. Boy you are so into this! I can see the parallel between your passion and Erens'! Hahaha. Although, I think that you are missing my point. The thing is that, if you see someone doing that irl you would probably want to sent him to an asylum. Yeah of course Eren is Mikasa's savior and all that but adopting him as the one and only focal point of her entire life makes her a rather one-dimensional character. And so literally whenever the screen switches over to Mikasa I can pinpoint with certainty that she's probably going to say something like, 'Where's Eren', 'Have you seen Eren', or 'Eren, are you hurt', and stuff like that. If that's not the definition of boring I think I need to go and relearn English. Shingeki no Kyoujin reminds me a lot of those extreme survivalist manga. Well usually it's something like zombies so SnK is pretty creative in this aspect. Thing is, this kind of genre sets up a hypothetical situation and places human characters inside. It is interesting exactly because it raises questions like, "Suppose we take a human who is relegated to the bottom-most echelons of the society that we know, and place him inside an experimental set-up like the world of Shingeki no Kyoujin. What kind of story is going to play out?" Well, as much as I appreciate this kind of experimental thinking, I think I am extremely justified in saying that Eren's character does not appeal to me. That kind of extreme-impulsive, hatred and rage driven, borderline bloodthirsty is perhaps all very well in some place like what, a gladiator's arena? But it is not someone who I can relate to. In fact I if I knew someone like that I'm going to do my best to place as much distance between me and him as is humanly possible. Another point. Mikasa is not same as Eren. There is a fine distinction between the situations where Mikasa kills someone and where Eren kills someone. For him, there is not a moment of hesitation. What he possesses is the instinct of a predatory creature. Something that belongs to the top of the food chain. When Mikasa kills it is usually as when she has no other choice. And so no, she doesn't belong in an asylum. RaurosFalls said: kuity said: Lol! Awesome. I never thought about it but his gungho attitude is kind of messed up. He's like Lloyd in Tales of Symphonia. Such a character can only survive in games and anime. Exactly.. Eren doesn't need to be in a asylum because he has legitimate hate for a legitimate reason about a legitimate problem: the titans. If Eren should go to an asylum for hating the titans, then Levi should follow him straight after, seeing as he hates the titans just as much (The only difference is Levi is better at keeping it inside). Once the titans are destroyed and Eren can see the outside world he would be a pretty normal person, just a person with a strong sense of justice and a free spirit. Eren's desire to see the outside world is the purest of human expressions, the feeling of wanting to be free. Killing the titans is just a side mission towards getting to see the outside world "I will destroy the titans and break free of these cramped walls. That is my dream, mankind isn't finished yet!" His spirit is too strong sometimes, which is why Mikasa is so important to his character, her ability to calm him down and save him. (When he starts a fight with Jean, Mikasa clams him down immediately, until Jean gets all butthurt and jelly and grabs Eren). In a normal world Eren wouldn't have ended up in an asylum, because there would be no Titans, he would be a strong willed character, but he wouldn't be considered "crazy". Mikasa is exactly the same as Eren in how they killed people, in that situation killing was necessary. And apart from then, Eren has never killed anybody. If he was as crazy as you guys think he is, and so "murderous," Jean would've been in a bodybag by now. Mikasa and Eren both killed a person in the same situation, to save eachother. So how in any way shape or form was Mikasa's killiing only when necessary and Eren's wasn't? What you see Eren doing in that picture wouldn't make you want to send him into an asylum, what he is showing is rage caused by extreme loss and anguish. His mother was brutally killed in front of his own eyes, his home taken away from him, and he was too weak to do anything. That is a pretty normal human reaction, if everything was taken away from you, and suddenly you had the power to fight back (titan form) wouldn't you accept the offer? I don't really find Mikasa boring because to me, her and Eren are almost one character, they would both be dead pretty quickly without the other side. This is evident by Eren always getting into trouble when she isn't around, and when he "died" Mikasa would have died if Eren hadn't saved her (Notice this scene is almost like a parallel to when he killed the kidnappers, only this time its titan vs titan instead of human vs human to save her life). Cliffs: Eren has a strong will, but he isn't "crazy" Once the titan are gone, Eren would be pretty normal. He would still have a strong sense of justice and a strong spirit, but he wouldn't kill himself because there are no titans to "slaughter" anymore Mikasa and Eren are almost like one character, they would both fall without the other one there to prop them up. Levi was a thug. If anywhere, he should have been in prison not asylum. Yes we know Eren has many good points, we know he has a good heart and intention. He is a hero. He is not evil and he is not crazy. We got that loud and clear. You don't have to keep throwing those at us all the time. But you can't possible just deny that he does actually show the signs of someone who is mentally unstable can you? Even the author himself clearly wanted us to see him that way. The face and the eyes he had when he killed the thugs or when he hold his murderous intentions were unlike human. Whomever that feeling directed to nor whatever the reason is not the matter. Levi recognized it immediately that he was 'dangerous' and even offered himself to be Eren's guardian to stop him becoming a real monster. After taken under Levi's supervision, he slowly showed some changes though, for the better. To me, it seems as if all Mikasa would do is follow him and let him do whatever he desires as long as he is still safe and then clean his mess. She is even more than ready to kill just anyone in her way. And yes, she should being in asylum with Eren. I don't think she would mind that, she would probably be content with it. Eren not going anywhere, never leaving her side. If they were just like one character as you mentioned, they should have had less screen time. |
yuquall said: MikasaxEren said: kuity said: MikasaxEren said: kuity said: Good, some more mindless Eren hate without looking into his character at all. If Eren belongs in an asylum, so does Mikasa. The other characters are taken by Eren because he has the balls to fight. Mikasa isn't a boring character, her relationship with Eren is her character, because without "rahgghrr Emo Eren rage herp derp" she would be a sex slave. If Eren had stayed dead, Mikasa would have died sooner or later. In fact Mikasa would have been killed if Eren's titan form didn't save her. Eren is the source of her strength "Eren as long as you are with me, I can do anything", without him she would have died and if she survived just be an emotionless husk, who had lost the source of her strength. So Eren doesn't use his brain? How does he manage to kill two adult men? by outsmarting them, yet he is an idiot? lol, Eren hater logic of peace. Eren's passion and desire (what you call emo, is actually called passion) is what motivated most of the main characters to join the Scouting Legion, without him all of your other precious characters would have joined the garrison or military police. Armin would have died if it wasn't for Eren, if Eren had stayed dead Trost would have been taken, the armored titan would have appeared and broken through wall rose, and well you get the picture. Eren isn't needed in an asylum, more people like him are needed in a war like this one. Eren fights for the freedom of humanity, unlike some people who joined the military through selfishness (Jean and everybody else who wanted to join the military police). If Eren had stayed dead, humanity would have been wiped out and everybody else would have died, such as much better story. On Mikasa, you fail to understand her if you find her boring. Of course she is going to protect Eren, just like he tries to protect her (although he is the one mostly in danger, because he has been specifically targeted). To her Eren is the source of beauty ( His passion and idealism, in the cruel and cold world) in the world, and she loves him very much, of course she is going to try and protect him at all costs, she has already lost everybody else. Boy you are so into this! I can see the parallel between your passion and Erens'! Hahaha. Although, I think that you are missing my point. The thing is that, if you see someone doing that irl you would probably want to sent him to an asylum. Yeah of course Eren is Mikasa's savior and all that but adopting him as the one and only focal point of her entire life makes her a rather one-dimensional character. And so literally whenever the screen switches over to Mikasa I can pinpoint with certainty that she's probably going to say something like, 'Where's Eren', 'Have you seen Eren', or 'Eren, are you hurt', and stuff like that. If that's not the definition of boring I think I need to go and relearn English. Shingeki no Kyoujin reminds me a lot of those extreme survivalist manga. Well usually it's something like zombies so SnK is pretty creative in this aspect. Thing is, this kind of genre sets up a hypothetical situation and places human characters inside. It is interesting exactly because it raises questions like, "Suppose we take a human who is relegated to the bottom-most echelons of the society that we know, and place him inside an experimental set-up like the world of Shingeki no Kyoujin. What kind of story is going to play out?" Well, as much as I appreciate this kind of experimental thinking, I think I am extremely justified in saying that Eren's character does not appeal to me. That kind of extreme-impulsive, hatred and rage driven, borderline bloodthirsty is perhaps all very well in some place like what, a gladiator's arena? But it is not someone who I can relate to. In fact I if I knew someone like that I'm going to do my best to place as much distance between me and him as is humanly possible. Another point. Mikasa is not same as Eren. There is a fine distinction between the situations where Mikasa kills someone and where Eren kills someone. For him, there is not a moment of hesitation. What he possesses is the instinct of a predatory creature. Something that belongs to the top of the food chain. When Mikasa kills it is usually as when she has no other choice. And so no, she doesn't belong in an asylum. RaurosFalls said: kuity said: Lol! Awesome. I never thought about it but his gungho attitude is kind of messed up. He's like Lloyd in Tales of Symphonia. Such a character can only survive in games and anime. Exactly.. Eren doesn't need to be in a asylum because he has legitimate hate for a legitimate reason about a legitimate problem: the titans. If Eren should go to an asylum for hating the titans, then Levi should follow him straight after, seeing as he hates the titans just as much (The only difference is Levi is better at keeping it inside). Once the titans are destroyed and Eren can see the outside world he would be a pretty normal person, just a person with a strong sense of justice and a free spirit. Eren's desire to see the outside world is the purest of human expressions, the feeling of wanting to be free. Killing the titans is just a side mission towards getting to see the outside world "I will destroy the titans and break free of these cramped walls. That is my dream, mankind isn't finished yet!" His spirit is too strong sometimes, which is why Mikasa is so important to his character, her ability to calm him down and save him. (When he starts a fight with Jean, Mikasa clams him down immediately, until Jean gets all butthurt and jelly and grabs Eren). In a normal world Eren wouldn't have ended up in an asylum, because there would be no Titans, he would be a strong willed character, but he wouldn't be considered "crazy". Mikasa is exactly the same as Eren in how they killed people, in that situation killing was necessary. And apart from then, Eren has never killed anybody. If he was as crazy as you guys think he is, and so "murderous," Jean would've been in a bodybag by now. Mikasa and Eren both killed a person in the same situation, to save eachother. So how in any way shape or form was Mikasa's killiing only when necessary and Eren's wasn't? What you see Eren doing in that picture wouldn't make you want to send him into an asylum, what he is showing is rage caused by extreme loss and anguish. His mother was brutally killed in front of his own eyes, his home taken away from him, and he was too weak to do anything. That is a pretty normal human reaction, if everything was taken away from you, and suddenly you had the power to fight back (titan form) wouldn't you accept the offer? I don't really find Mikasa boring because to me, her and Eren are almost one character, they would both be dead pretty quickly without the other side. This is evident by Eren always getting into trouble when she isn't around, and when he "died" Mikasa would have died if Eren hadn't saved her (Notice this scene is almost like a parallel to when he killed the kidnappers, only this time its titan vs titan instead of human vs human to save her life). Cliffs: Eren has a strong will, but he isn't "crazy" Once the titan are gone, Eren would be pretty normal. He would still have a strong sense of justice and a strong spirit, but he wouldn't kill himself because there are no titans to "slaughter" anymore Mikasa and Eren are almost like one character, they would both fall without the other one there to prop them up. Levi was a thug. If anywhere, he should have been in prison not asylum. Yes we know Eren has many good points, we know he has a good heart and intention. He is a hero. He is not evil and he is not crazy. We got that loud and clear. You don't have to keep throwing those at us all the time. But you can't possible just deny that he does actually show the signs of someone who is mentally unstable can you? Even the author himself clearly wanted us to see him that way. The face and the eyes he had when he killed the thugs or when he hold his murderous intentions were unlike human. Whomever that feeling directed to nor whatever the reason is not the matter. Levi recognized it immediately that he was 'dangerous' and even offered himself to be Eren's guardian to stop him becoming a real monster. After taken under Levi's supervision, he slowly showed some changes though, for the better. To me, it seems as if all Mikasa would do is follow him and let him do whatever he desires as long as he is still safe and then clean his mess. She is even more than ready to kill just anyone in her way. And yes, she should being in asylum with Eren. I don't think she would mind that, she would probably be content with it. Eren not going anywhere, never leaving her side. If they were just like one character as you mentioned, they should have had less screen time. There's just one thing Mikasa lacks as a character.. it's character progression.. |
| I like the way armin character is prograssing, the guy is smart... and i don't mean the kind of intelligence that doesn't make sense that you usually see in anime. if you pay close attention to his converstion you will see that annie didn't buy his lie at all, knowing that annie is not a fool he instantly brought up the fact that if you didn't help us eren will die forcing her into accepting the proposal (even though she knew he's leading her into a trap as you can see from the ring scene). Also the fact that he sometimes fail to predict something as simple as annie ring makes his character all the more believable. What i struggle to understand is the scene where he was surprised when annie said "ok"... was it because of the possibility that she care for eren well being more than her safety or did he just get cold feet when the plan was running smoothly? in anycase he's growing from a wuss to someone you can depand on. |
IshtaRinSep 19, 2013 4:35 AM
Misha_lune said: I like the way armin character is prograssing, the guy is smart... and i don't mean the kind of intelligence that doesn't make sense that you usually see in anime. if you pay close attention to his converstion you will see that annie didn't buy his lie at all, knowing that annie is not a fool he instantly brought up the fact that if you didn't help us eren will die forcing her into accepting the proposal (even though she knew he's leading her into a trap as you can see from the ring scene). Also the fact that he sometimes fail to predict something as simple as annie ring makes his character all the more believable. What i struggle to understand is the scene where he was surprised when annie said "ok"... was it because of the possibility that she care for eren well being more than her safety or did he just get cold feet when the plan was running smoothly? in anycase he's growing from a wuss to someone you can depand on. You should read the manga then after the anime is over. Armin gets only more awesome. |
greenmush said: I just wanna know why Annie did what she did, WHY ANNIE WHY Because its fun. I think she wanted to train him in titan form or in the other scenario to take him to that basement and find out why some human beings can morph into a titan. |
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Darklight0303 said: You should read the manga then after the anime is over. Armin gets only more awesome. lol i know its just that i did not want to go there because this an anime discussion. major spoiler |
| Good episode! damn that laugh, annie... i like her :p we'll see what happen next episode but i look forward to see the last episode too (cause it will be awesome!!) |
yuquall said: I see that in order to transform into their titan's form they need to somewhat get injured to an extent. Eren by biting his hand till bleeds and Annie by pricking her finger with the needle ring. I wonder if the blood also has something to do with it? Besides having a strong sense of purpose. Still can't get how a sense of purpose could trigger a transformation. Something to do with the brain? Yeah, I mean I'm somewhat doubtful we'll get any legitimate scientific explanation (hah!), but some pseudo-science-fantasy explanation is bound to be given at some point especially when you consider the very nature of how the transformation occurs (as if lightning had struck down to form the Titan's body around them). It's almost as if their own blood serves as some sort of "blood" sacrifice to allow their bodies to materialize. |
ronriSep 19, 2013 7:35 AM
| Wow, Armin knew stuff way back, he's the real deal. Annie's laugh though, wow!!! and again, RIP Marco. |
PhinalPhlashSep 19, 2013 10:18 AM
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yuquall said: ronri said: yuquall said: I see that in order to transform into their titan's form they need to somewhat get injured to an extent. Eren by biting his hand till bleeds and Annie by pricking her finger with the needle ring. I wonder if the blood also has something to do with it? Besides having a strong sense of purpose. Still can't get how a sense of purpose could trigger a transformation. Something to do with the brain? Yeah, I mean I'm somewhat doubtful we'll get any legitimate scientific explanation (hah!), but some pseudo-science-fantasy explanation is bound to be given at some point especially when you consider the very nature of how the transformation occurs (as if lightning had struck down to form the Titan's body around them). It's almost as if their own blood serves as some sort of "blood" sacrifice to allow their bodies to materialize. Hm at the pace of the manga itself because the anime is ending soon, I wonder if we'll ever get to the truth soon. Or this is gonna keep going for many years without uncovering anything at all? This season covered basically the first wall attacks, then FT appearing. So far nothing revealed yet, except the identity of the FT after.. how many episodes? With these extra episodes number I wish they would have just inserted some informative fillers rather than dragging cut scenes unnecessarily too long. Except you won't get any informative fillers about titans until they get to the basement. Which they haven't done in the manga. |
yuquall said: Darklight0303 said: Except you won't get any informative fillers about titans until they get to the basement. Which they haven't done in the manga. True. Well maybe a bit on character's backgrounds? We know almost nothing about them except for Eren, Mikasa and Armin. Well Erwin and Levi are getting their backstory story in the Visual Novels that come with the official release. And the Journal chapter is getting its own OVA in december. |
| For me Armin is a little too intelligent, I've gone back over episodes every now and again and he works stuff out too fast for comprehension A good example at the top of my mind is when Titan Annie was about to kill Jean, he shouted that she stomped his best friend making her wonder whether she may have killed Eren by mistake, enough to make her hesitate till she realised he was bullshitting. In that scenario he didn't even know if she was looking for Eren, he just assumed she might've been Well I suppose every main character requires some OP characteristic in this series. Armin more than makes up for his lack of physical ability by never being wrong... ever |
DarkCyclone said: For me Armin is a little too intelligent, I've gone back over episodes every now and again and he works stuff out too fast for comprehension A good example at the top of my mind is when Titan Annie was about to kill Jean, he shouted that she stomped his best friend making her wonder whether she may have killed Eren by mistake, enough to make her hesitate till she realised he was bullshitting. In that scenario he didn't even know if she was looking for Eren, he just assumed she might've been Well I suppose every main character requires some OP characteristic in this series. Armin more than makes up for his lack of physical ability by never being wrong... ever I noticed that too. But the show would drag on even more if everyone had an average functioning brain and they had to discuss and explain everything twice or three times. |
| Time is money, but money won't turn back the clock. |
| Annie's laugh... really enjoyed this episode. The last few minutes had me on edge. I knew she was the female Titan but it was still so exciting seeing the reveal. |
| LOLSSSSSSS ANNIEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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despaircest said: lol that was NOT annie like, at all wow they completely missed her character Agreed. And still that bitter feeling that the anime doesn't move so much and ready itself for the second season. I would have prefered that the traitor story remains dormant for a while, for a better surprise effect. But I still can't badnote this one, cause as ever, the art style and the "staging" were great. |
kolibri said: despaircest said: lol that was NOT annie like, at all wow they completely missed her character Agreed. And still that bitter feeling that the anime doesn't move so much and ready itself for the second season. I would have prefered that the traitor story remains dormant for a while, for a better surprise effect. But I still can't badnote this one, cause as ever, the art style and the "staging" were great. Except Isayama himself insisted they do it like that. So they didn't ruin anything |
almlima said: Can anybody explain me how they found out she was the female titan? I didn't get, probably bad subtitles and stuff. (didnt watch in english) Raitei said: Huh.. I didn't see that coming at all... How did they/Armin figure out Annie was the Female Titan in the first place? Just because she had Marco's 3D gear and she didn't kill Armin in the field (she knew who Armin's "best friend" was so she hesitated for a second to allow Jean to escape)? And then she didn't go down the tunnel, which (I guess) was the confirmation they were waiting for because if she went down the tunnel, she'd be trapped underground if she tried to summon a Titan, but what if she had just followed them down the tunnel while feigning ignorance? Would that have meant they would stop thinking she was the female titan? It will be explained in more detail in the next episode. But it was already partly explained why Armin had suspected her. |
DarkCyclone said: For me Armin is a little too intelligent, I've gone back over episodes every now and again and he works stuff out too fast for comprehension A good example at the top of my mind is when Titan Annie was about to kill Jean, he shouted that she stomped his best friend making her wonder whether she may have killed Eren by mistake, enough to make her hesitate till she realised he was bullshitting. In that scenario he didn't even know if she was looking for Eren, he just assumed she might've been Well I suppose every main character requires some OP characteristic in this series. Armin more than makes up for his lack of physical ability by never being wrong... ever Do realize that when the Female Titan spared him, he already saw its face. Given his recent encounter with Annie (calling her a "nice/good person"), he probably deduced by visual recognition and by the Female Titan's bizarre actions that it was her. When Armin started screaming out about Eren, he took a huge gamble and a smart one at that (I mean who wouldn't? Worst case scenario he was probably going to die anyway). By using Eren's nickname of "suicidal bastard" or "guy who wants to get killed really quickly", not only was he able to deduce that the Female Titan is looking for Eren when it hesitated, but he also deduced that the Female Titan could only be someone in their group friends due to it recognizing Eren's nickname. I wouldn't say it was that far-fetched for him at that point, not to mention how he got another good look at her face the second time. Heck, considering how he wanted to relay a specific message to Erwin and Erwin alone, it wouldn't surprise me if that message had anything to do with the revelation that Annie is in fact the Female Titan. Admittedly as much as people can say that Armin is too OP with his mind-powers, I actually find it refreshing considering how they're the kind of deductions that anyone can make if they have a good eye for detail. That said, what I love about it is that both serves as a strength and as a character flaw for Armin; a flaw that certainly makes him grow a bit more distant than Eren's naivety by becoming more desensitized by his experiences, to the point that he's more likely to make the quick and harsh decisions than him. Darklight0303 said: kolibri said: despaircest said: lol that was NOT annie like, at all wow they completely missed her character Agreed. And still that bitter feeling that the anime doesn't move so much and ready itself for the second season. I would have prefered that the traitor story remains dormant for a while, for a better surprise effect. But I still can't badnote this one, cause as ever, the art style and the "staging" were great. Except Isayama himself insisted they do it like that. So they didn't ruin anything Yup, straight from the guy himself: |
ronriSep 19, 2013 4:48 PM
Pipoko said: His plan this episode went down the drain because he didn't notice Annie's ring. He's great, but there's still room for some improvement. You see that next episode, too. It's the same as Mikasa's strength compared to Levi's. There are occurences even the most clever human beings wouldn't be able to take account for. Her ring was one of them. Calculating the possibility of a hidden blade within someone's jewellery would be even more unrealistic than anything he's worked out so far. Not that he could do anything about it anyway. Any question on why she put on her ring would raise more suspicion And yeah there's always room for improvement at a young age, just can't help but notice he's thinking on a level lightyears ahead of his own comrades and figuring shit out that's traditionally knowledge to viewers only at first @ronri I suppose it was a no lose situation. Him figuring out it's Annie doesn't surprise me though, figuring she may be after Eren shortly after their first encounter and using that assumption to come up with a decoy... which worked. A bit surprising, yeah. I was unaware he used a nickname at that moment though. I thought he was just giving a vague description of someone that happened to fit Eren's profile. Either way it worked out the same. He had a plan, it worked out, the only case his plan didn't work was Annie and her countermeasure with that ring |
almlima said: Can anybody explain me how they found out she was the female titan? I didn't get, probably bad subtitles and stuff. (didnt watch in english) |
skittle316 said: almlima said: Can anybody explain me how they found out she was the female titan? I didn't get, probably bad subtitles and stuff. (didnt watch in english) Eh? No, that's not it at all. And serious spoilers that don't even relate to the question? Seriously. The next episode will have a flashback covering exactly how they deduced FT's identity. |
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