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| Space Vampire Baby? |
ThangLong said: Irenesharda said: As I figured, the next two episodes will lead to the climax of the story with everything coming to a head at the moon. We discover that Cain's fleet will be going to fight one more time and this time Cain himself is going out there. That's not a good sign. We learn that Cain is the right-hand man of the Fuehrer who replaced the royal regime 20 years ago. However, if Princess Liselotte is still treated as royalty at the time she met L-elf which happened later than 20 years ago, then how did this whole coup d'etat occur? Royalty has been usurped by the Fuehrer and his right-hand-man. They are kept alive as mascots with no real power. Liselotte is probably locked up while her brother A-drei is a joke of a prince. That factored in L-elf's plan to overturn Dorssia and we have the entertaining main plot for the 2nd cour. What I meant was that it was said in a magazine article that between the time that Lisolette met L-11 and present day, there was a coup that turned her from royalty into a political prisoner. However, this episode they say that the coup happened 20 years ago which was before Lisolette, L-11, and A-3 were even born. So what happened? If the monarchy had already been displaced at least 3 years before A-3's birth (and at least 4 or 5 years before Lisolette's) then why are they even still royalty? Why are they treated (at least in the princess' case when she was young) with the respect you would give a royal? We really need some exposition on Dorssia. |
AlexTheRiot said: squidsquid said: Haruto was obviously trying to have sex with L-Elf last episode. ...it was only a matter of time. yes please. |
HirieoshiJun 13, 2013 11:03 PM
| This fucking anime. |
Atexasotaku said: Fai said: Atexasotaku said: Also a shoko and L-elf coupling seems to far-fetched. L-elf turned against his country to save the princess who saved him as a child. I think that L-elf is too loyal to her that he would go for Shoko. That is assuming that the Princess is NOT "The Fuhrer" :P Very true, however, i haven't seen anything so far that would point to her being the Fuhrer. Interesting theory nonetheless She can't be the Fuhrer. They say that the Fuhrer took power 20 years ago, and Lisolette is younger than L-11 and A-3, who are only 17. |
reinm said: Space Vampire Baby? source? |
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Irenesharda said: Atexasotaku said: Fai said: Atexasotaku said: Also a shoko and L-elf coupling seems to far-fetched. L-elf turned against his country to save the princess who saved him as a child. I think that L-elf is too loyal to her that he would go for Shoko. That is assuming that the Princess is NOT "The Fuhrer" :P Very true, however, i haven't seen anything so far that would point to her being the Fuhrer. Interesting theory nonetheless She can't be the Fuhrer. They say that the Fuhrer took power 20 years ago, and Lisolette is younger than L-11 and A-3, who are only 17. Very true, thanks for clearing that up. |
| dat ending was effed up... |
reinm said: Dafuq?Space Vampire Baby? |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Others have already talked extensively about the rape scene, I'll just say I wasn't expecting it and didn't want to see it. Rape in fiction is imo one of those "if you were thinking about adding it to the story, don't", because unless you plan on detailing the long recovery process, the victims will appear to "get over it" in a flash. I doubt Valvrave will spend more than one episode on the aftermath, anything else will probably be fixed off-screen. I liked Haruto fairly well before this ep, but now I'm conflicted. I know he wasn't mentally in charge during the scene, but that doesn't change what his body did. I do kinda feel sorry for Haruto, but I don't really want to because this scene reminds me of rl news discussions where the perp being drunk is seen by some as "ehh, you do stupid things when you're drunk". Tl;dr Valvrave, you were supposed to be my fun crack series for the season, this ep strayed too far from that to my liking. |
Guys, it's an edited pic from Episode 8 where Saki was holding Haruto's helmet in the changing room. |
Mubashwer said: quite possible after all the special 1 tends to be hated on anime like thisI have a feeling that Haruto may be the villain in the next season... |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| I don't always post here, so this is something I found in another forum, don't know if somebody already posted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valravn This is reflected in a Danish traditional song that describes how, after refusing offers of riches, the Valravn makes an agreement with a maiden to take her to her betrothed after she promises the valravn her first-born son. After the agreement, the valravn flies away. In time, the couple have a child and the Valravn returns, and asks the maiden if she has forgotten her promise. The valravn takes the child away, and tears into the chest of his won wager and consumes the blood contained within the child's heart. As a result, the valravn transforms into a knight. |
Fai said: Wait, I did NOT say it is a rape. I only said in terms of emotions and feelings it is more complex than a girl getting raped by a total stranger. What Haruto did is still a wrong thing to do, period. But I just want people to see deeper from Saki's perspective. She was violated and wronged, but from her point of view she may not be all feeling repulsive or unambiguously offended. Human feelings can be this ambivalent - even they know it is wrong they may still come to accept it. This is all I want to say.symbv said: ShikiAshGrave said: She fought at first but she later accepted him - we know she had already fallen in love with him earlier. The situation (or her emotion) is not a straightforward and clear-cut one.She wasn't fighting off his sexual advances though. Once she realized he wanted sex from her she accepted him and even embraced him. Watch the scene over again. actually it very much is. DId she initiate the intercourse? No. Did she consent to allowing it? No. Was she under mental strain when the intercourse happened? Yes. Did the initiation of intrcourse involve physical force? Yes At the ennd of the day: - Saki's feelings do not matter and is not a deciding factor in whether this is rape or not. YOu can love someone and still be raped by that someone. You can want to have sex with someone at some point in future, yet still be raped.. - Her "giving up" as it goes on does not matter. That's actually quite common factor in most of rape cases and sometimes perpetrator does not even realize he/she raped someone. - Her not physically stopping it after does not matter. Its still rape. She still was physically(at first) and mentally(afterward) forced to have sex. She did not consent to sex, she was coerced into it. lack of consent = rape. |
symbvJun 13, 2013 11:40 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| is it just me or did saki like it half way in??? |
| Like robots? Then watch getter robot :D |
joshua_mai said: I don't always post here, so this is something I found in another forum, don't know if somebody already posted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valravn This is reflected in a Danish traditional song that describes how, after refusing offers of riches, the Valravn makes an agreement with a maiden to take her to her betrothed after she promises the valravn her first-born son. After the agreement, the valravn flies away. In time, the couple have a child and the Valravn returns, and asks the maiden if she has forgotten her promise. The valravn takes the child away, and tears into the chest of his won wager and consumes the blood contained within the child's heart. As a result, the valravn transforms into a knight. That's really interesting, and would explain the raven in the credits. Nice find :) |
joshua_mai said: I don't always post here, so this is something I found in another forum, don't know if somebody already posted it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valravn This is reflected in a Danish traditional song that describes how, after refusing offers of riches, the Valravn makes an agreement with a maiden to take her to her betrothed after she promises the valravn her first-born son. After the agreement, the valravn flies away. In time, the couple have a child and the Valravn returns, and asks the maiden if she has forgotten her promise. The valravn takes the child away, and tears into the chest of his won wager and consumes the blood contained within the child's heart. As a result, the valravn transforms into a knight. Thanks, I don't know with anyone noticed but Dorssia is probably Denmark + Russia. as we can see the Dorssia's loyal palace imitated after Russian's Kremlin If we were to believe Valvrave incorporated the Valravn's lore, Saki may bear a space vampire child after all! Wouldn't that be a great twist?! |
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Irenesharda said: ThangLong said: Royalty has been usurped by the Fuehrer and his right-hand-man. They are kept alive as mascots with no real power. Liselotte is probably locked up while her brother A-drei is a joke of a prince. That factored in L-elf's plan to overturn Dorssia and we have the entertaining main plot for the 2nd cour. What I meant was that it was said in a magazine article that between the time that Lisolette met L-11 and present day, there was a coup that turned her from royalty into a political prisoner. However, this episode they say that the coup happened 20 years ago which was before Lisolette, L-11, and A-3 were even born. So what happened? If the monarchy had already been displaced at least 3 years before A-3's birth (and at least 4 or 5 years before Lisolette's) then why are they even still royalty? Why are they treated (at least in the princess' case when she was young) with the respect you would give a royal? We really need some exposition on Dorssia. They are still royalty because the Fuhrer allows them to. The king might have lost all power before either A-drei or Lisolette were born. But since they were all kept as mascot, they can retain their titles and some guards that protect them. Of course, all those guards/soldiers had to respect Lisolette when she met L-elf years ago. parfaited said: wat is this trainweck? I don't even know anything anymore. Actually, it's pretty good once you start letting everything sink in. |
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ThangLong said: I don't think it involves Denmark. In fact the common consensus among Japanese fans is it is a combination of the two militarist regimes in early 20th century - Doitsu (Deutsch) and Russia.Thanks, I don't know with anyone noticed but Dorssia is probably Denmark + Russia. as we can see the Dorssia's loyal palace imitated after Russian's Kremlin |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| This episode is Hentaily retarded. |
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| ok new topic in the OP theres 1 more unit who don show its pilot yet who u think its gonna be? my money on shouko or L elf^^ place your bets! |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
ShikiAshGrave said: ok new topic in the OP theres 1 more unit who don show its pilot yet who u think its gonna be? my money on shouko or L elf^^ place your bets! I think it will be the Student Council President |
symbv said: I don't think it involves Denmark. In fact the common consensus among Japanese fans is it is a combination of the two militarist regimes in early 20th century - Doitsu (Deutsch) and Russia. Interesting, I did not know Deutsch was called Doitsu. That pretty much makes sense. I just looked at the map of the all German Empire, Denmark is directly above it. Denmark is the land of the Valvarn. As far as using historical reference, I think Cain might not be Dorssian but citizen of the Valvran's country, be it alien or what not. That makes to similarity between Cain and VVV-tan that much more prevalent. btw, that shadowy person behind VVV-tan  might be this guy According to Danish folklore recorded in the late 1800s, when a king or chieftain was killed in battle and not found and buried, ravens came and ate him. The ravens became valravne. The valravne that ate the king's heart gained human knowledge and could perform great malicious acts, could lead people astray, had superhuman powers, and were "terrible animals" |
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Atexasotaku said: Reason? my reason why shouko cuz the OP shouting haruto have two wives^^ saki and shouko why Lelf cuz his the brilliant strategist and war veteran who pretty much the most capable person in entire Jior atm he gotta have his own unit^^ShikiAshGrave said: ok new topic in the OP theres 1 more unit who don show its pilot yet who u think its gonna be? my money on shouko or L elf^^ place your bets! I think it will be the Student Council President |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| Saki embraced Haruto. She loved every second. Blackmail ahead |
| Glorious Titties Nuff Said! Make America Great Again! |
| RAPE !? Ok , this is getting ridiculous -_- |
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ShikiAshGrave said: Atexasotaku said: Reason? my reason why shouko cuz the OP piratically shouting haruto have two wives^^ saki and shouko why Lelf cuz his the brilliant staregist and war veteran who pretty much the most capable person in entire Jior atm he gotta have his own unit^^ShikiAshGrave said: ok new topic in the OP theres 1 more unit who don show its pilot yet who u think its gonna be? my money on shouko or L elf^^ place your bets! I think it will be the Student Council President I don't think it will be Shoko because i feel like she is going to die and for L-elf it's up in the air. |
Atexasotaku said: the irony of it if after all this that unit is piloted by that machine otaku guyXDShikiAshGrave said: Atexasotaku said: Reason? my reason why shouko cuz the OP piratically shouting haruto have two wives^^ saki and shouko why Lelf cuz his the brilliant staregist and war veteran who pretty much the most capable person in entire Jior atm he gotta have his own unit^^ShikiAshGrave said: ok new topic in the OP theres 1 more unit who don show its pilot yet who u think its gonna be? my money on shouko or L elf^^ place your bets! I think it will be the Student Council President I don't think it will be Shoko because i feel like she is going to die and for L-elf it's up in the air. |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
ShikiAshGrave said: With this anime...anything is possible xD Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:31 AM
| why couldnt haruto rape L-Elf |
Atexasotaku said: There also that bride unit unfinished final 1 my money on colonel cain or Lelf^^With this anime...anything is possible xD Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:25 AM
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| Haruto in his vampire mode actually raped Saki?! What the crap LOL! Totally didn't expect that. This anime is so inconsistent. The whole episode had the whole 'highschool' and 'let's all be friends' vibe and then it ends with a rape scene. Lol wtf. :\ |
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| Next episode: haruto rapes his valvrave |
Calumz said: Dude No GAY if that really happen i drop this immediately! and go flip tablesXDwhy couldnt haruto rape L-Elf |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
ShikiAshGrave said: I can't wait to find out who Cain really is, cause they've been teasing us with some one liners by him for the past month that make it sound like he knows alittle too much. Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:26 AM
Chompski said: U mean VV tanXDNext episode: haruto rapes his valvrave |
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
Atexasotaku said: Cain practically have a sign over his head IM THE FINAL BOSS MWAHAHAHA!I can't wait to find out who Cain really is, cause they've been teasing us with some one liners by him for the past month that make it sound like he knows alittle too much. Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:27 AM
| Karada wa tsurugi de dekiteiru Chishio wa tetsu de kokoro wa GARASU Ikutabi no senjou wo koete fuhai Tada no ichido mo haisou wa naku Tada no ichido mo rikai sarenai Ka no mono wa tsune ni hitori Tsurugi no oka de shouri ni you Yue ni shougai ni imi wa naku Sono karada wa kitto tsurugi de dekiteita |
| Haruto is the one that got raped. Saki knew he wasn't in control of his body, but she let it happen. Her initial resistance was out of surprise and modesty. I don't know why people are saying she was overpowered because the anime made a point in showing us how easily she can stop his episodes. If she had to, she could have easily bitten him and body swapped to put an end to it. But no, she wraps her arms around him and takes his hand into hers. |
ShikiAshGrave said: Right... I want next week's episode already Mod edit: spoiler tagged quote chain |
koleareJun 14, 2013 8:29 AM
lplayer19 said: YOLO bruh.OfficialGuts said: lplayer19 said: Yolo?Also can we discuss all the other things that happened in the episode? Yes that was a big scene but after 13 pages of the same thing its beating a dead horse. I dont know haha like maybe the science and what runes are? Lol yeah that kinda ruined it for me though, I can't believe they actually had that in there...hate that fucking word Anyway the whole "Runes" thing is quite interesting imo. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| I have a feeling this is just the first of many more rape scenes to come. |
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