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MellowJello said: Watch it and you will understand.Is this the next overhyped show being run into the ground? |
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Firixizu_Mint said: The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD For the 10000000th time: The author is part of the team, he is into this, likes this, supports this and doesn't give a shit about people having a problem with this. |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
| I actually like the way they did this show. Sure, it doesn't look that good, but it looks creepy, and it's supposed to be creepy, right? Especially in the later parts. At least the adaptation of the first volumes will be more believable since the characters look realistic/ugly and not "perfect" like in manga. To be honest, this is the only reason I am WATCHING this. If they made a literal adaptation, I'd 100% skip it just like most of this season. So I'm looking forward to the next episode. |
 "Your sight, my delight. Will you marry me?" |
Nucksen said: Firixizu_Mint said: The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD For the 10000000th time: The author is part of the team, he is into this, likes this, supports this and doesn't give a shit about people having a problem with this. Really? thanks for clarifying that, but I heard that yesterday it was the first time he watched this... Well, why did he agree with this.... |
Nucksen said: You realize part of the purpose of an anime is to promote the source material which this CLEARLY fails at, right?Firixizu_Mint said: The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD For the 10000000th time: The author is part of the team, he is into this, likes this, supports this and doesn't give a shit about people having a problem with this. This has become the laughing stock of the season, and the manga will never get the advertising it deserves. And honestly, are you his secretary? How the hell do you know if he doesn't give a shit? |
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Firixizu_Mint said: Nucksen said: Firixizu_Mint said: The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD For the 10000000th time: The author is part of the team, he is into this, likes this, supports this and doesn't give a shit about people having a problem with this. Really? thanks for clarifying that, but I heard that yesterday it was the first time he watched this... Well, why did he agree with this.... Because he knew, it would invoke strong feeling in every direction. That was also his reason for creating AnH in the first place |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
| I don't know guys because I didn't watch the episode nor read the manga, but judging from the images posted here, what does make them look more real? The lack of a properly formed nose or the incompletely drawn eyelashes? Aside from that, go on with the discussion, it's funny. |
jal90 said: I don't know guys because I didn't watch the episode nor read the manga, but judging from the images posted here, what does make them look more real? The lack of a nose or the incompletely drawn eyelashes? Aside from that, go on with the discussion, it's funny. Because it's not moe enough. And yes, it's funny. |
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jal90 said: I don't know guys because I didn't watch the episode nor read the manga, but judging from the images posted here, what does make them look more real? The lack of a nose or the incompletely drawn eyelashes? Aside from that, go on with the discussion, it's funny. The fact that all of the characters look average. Nobody looks especially pretty or especially ugly; they all have imperfections. Just like real people. |
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| You guys know this isn't a horror story, right? That 'ominous' atmosphere is completely inappropriate for the events taking place. Kasuga's life is fairly easy-going right now, so discordant, ominous drones are incongruous if anything. The problem isn't simply that the animation is different, it's horribly executed as well. Look at Trapeze, Mind Game, or the performance scenes in Kids on the Slope to see rotoscoping done well. This is outright lazy in comparison. When you have facial features phasing in and out of existence, there's a serious problem. When the characters are perpetually and inhumanly fidgety and awkward in motion, there's a serious problem. When the frames-per-second is as atrocious as it is here, you have a serious, serious problem. The entire point of rotoscoping is to achieve something closer to real life, but when done as poorly as it is here, you just end up in the deepest part of uncanny valley. "Different" isn't always better. I'd also like to remind everyone that they only covered 18 pages in this episode... Slow pacing can be used to achieve great things, but Aku no Hana certainly doesn't. At the end of this episode, the audience still knows very little of what makes any of these characters tick. All the episode accomplishes is an ill-suited atmosphere and an abysmal art direction. This episode was poorly executed in every respect. PS I'm not even a fan of the manga. This shit is inexcusable no matter what angle you approach it from. |
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| You guys can defend it as you want saying they are simply trying something different. That's cool, but it doesn't excuse the technical flaws of the animation. Blindly defending it is just as bad. |
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| The saddest thing is that an actually good manga is going to suffer because of a bad rotoscope. Let's be honest, if you ignored the animation (and the worst opening ever) there's no way this would be rated 4.68 after 1 episode. |
Yvese said: Nucksen said: You realize part of the purpose of an anime is to promote the source material which this CLEARLY fails at, right?Firixizu_Mint said: The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD For the 10000000th time: The author is part of the team, he is into this, likes this, supports this and doesn't give a shit about people having a problem with this. This has become the laughing stock of the season, and the manga will never get the advertising it deserves. And honestly, are you his secretary? How the hell do you know if he doesn't give a shit? 1. Maybe that's important to the publisher, but not to the rest of the team. If you follow the careers of the people involved in this, you will see, that there are many individualists and "artists" in this team. 2. The first reactions on 2ch(a.k.a. the only people who buy shit nowadays) were mildly positive and it will most likely cross the Manabi Line. This is only the laughing stock for some people who would never have liked Aku no Hana, even if they made the art different. 3. Have gave an interview regarding this. |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
Soulstrider said: And this reactions is why I hate the anime fandom. People try to do something different and it gets this treatment. Yeah because obviously "different = good", right? I like different but the designs were horrendous to look at and the rotoscope was done HORRIBLY. If you want proper rotoscoping done RIGHT, try Trapeze or even Sakamichi no Apollon. The fact that they made it look like puke doesn't chance the fact that no one is bashing this without reason. |
dietmango said: "Eww, the characters look so fat!" "Eww their eyes don't look big enough!" "Eww, there are no panty shots! No moe! Woe is me! DROPPED!!!" "Aw man, I can't fap to this! DROPPED!" Lol you MAL folks are funny. Keep it up. Hahahahaha. They will bc the absence of moe and fanservice is not why this is getting hate. Nor has either of those characteristics been why someone has dropped it. It's all assumption by people, like yourself, that bc someone doesn't like this art it must mean they LOVE only the polar opposite. You're funny too. RMNDolphy said: You guys know this isn't a horror story, right? That 'ominous' atmosphere is completely inappropriate for the events taking place. Kasuga's life is fairly easy-going right now, so discordant, ominous drones are incongruous if anything. The problem isn't simply that the animation is different, it's horribly executed as well. Look at Trapeze, Mind Game, or the performance scenes in Kids on the Slope to see rotoscoping done well. This is outright lazy in comparison. When you have facial features phasing in and out of existence, there's a serious problem. When the characters are perpetually and inhumanly fidgety and awkward in motion, there's a serious problem. When the frames-per-second is as atrocious as it is here, you have a serious, serious problem. The entire point of rotoscoping is to achieve something closer to real life, but when done as poorly as it is here, you just end up in the deepest part of uncanny valley. "Different" isn't always better. I'd also like to remind everyone that they only covered 18 pages in this episode... Slow pacing can be used to achieve great things, but Aku no Hana certainly doesn't. At the end of this episode, the audience still knows very little of what makes any of these characters tick. All the episode accomplishes is an ill-suited atmosphere and an abysmal art direction. This episode was poorly executed in every respect. PS I'm not even a fan of the manga. This shit is inexcusable no matter what angle you approach it from. One of the better comments I've read so far. You sir deserve a round of applause. Seriously. |
| Ugh I actually didn't mind the art at first, but then I just got fed up with it. Why go through the effort to make a live-action and then trace over it? Siiiighhh. This should just have been a drama. And I wouldn't have minded that. It's an interesting concept, but it's rotoscope gone horribly wrong. I really didn't like it very much. The manga art is so good too why would you do this??? (And yes, I read the interview) But on the other hand, I think all lines were delivered effectively enough. The music also creeps me out. The ED is really interesting. |
IZEROII said: You're funny too. Aww thanks, you're too kind. ;) |
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amginex said: Yvese said: Nucksen said: You realize part of the purpose of an anime is to promote the source material which this CLEARLY fails at, right?Firixizu_Mint said: The author should stop zexcs for animating the manga further Feel sorry for the author This is surely gonna be remembered as one of the ugliest anime in the decade I wonder would it be successful if they could somehow fix the art? XD For the 10000000th time: The author is part of the team, he is into this, likes this, supports this and doesn't give a shit about people having a problem with this. This has become the laughing stock of the season, and the manga will never get the advertising it deserves. And honestly, are you his secretary? How the hell do you know if he doesn't give a shit? what part of your opinion becomes a fact? where do you see that this fails? where do you see that this is a laughingstock of the season? how do you know he gives a shit? - Look at this thread, and the rating the ep and anime got. It fails. - It fails in Japan also, the target audience. It's getting trolled there just as much as here. How do I know? Because people are buying the BDs/DVDs on amazon and cancelling them after an hour or so passes, just to inflate its rank. It is the laughingstock of the season. |
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mjjfan10 said: jal90 said: I don't know guys because I didn't watch the episode nor read the manga, but judging from the images posted here, what does make them look more real? The lack of a nose or the incompletely drawn eyelashes? Aside from that, go on with the discussion, it's funny. The fact that all of the characters look average. Nobody looks especially pretty or especially ugly; they all have imperfections. Just like real people. Yeah, that's the old idea, and I would agree with that if those imperfections had led to make the characters look closer to reality, but it doesn't seem to be the case since they are even more stylistically simplified in their face traits. |
| For the love of God, WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS!!. Aku no Hana's director biggest troll of 2013 |
RMNDolphy said: You guys know this isn't a horror story, right? That 'ominous' atmosphere is completely inappropriate for the events taking place. Kasuga's life is fairly easy-going right now, so discordant, ominous drones are incongruous if anything. The problem isn't simply that the animation is different, it's horribly executed as well. Look at Trapeze, Mind Game, or the performance scenes in Kids on the Slope to see rotoscoping done well. This is outright lazy in comparison. When you have facial features phasing in and out of existence, there's a serious problem. When the characters are perpetually and inhumanly fidgety and awkward in motion, there's a serious problem. When the frames-per-second is as atrocious as it is here, you have a serious, serious problem. The entire point of rotoscoping is to achieve something closer to real life, but when done as poorly as it is here, you just end up in the deepest part of uncanny valley. "Different" isn't always better. I'd also like to remind everyone that they only covered 18 pages in this episode... Slow pacing can be used to achieve great things, but Aku no Hana certainly doesn't. At the end of this episode, the audience still knows very little of what makes any of these characters tick. All the episode accomplishes is an ill-suited atmosphere and an abysmal art direction. This episode was poorly executed in every respect. PS I'm not even a fan of the manga. This shit is inexcusable no matter what angle you approach it from. this |
amginex said: what?! i could fap to those roto-scoped bloomers I salute you, sir |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
Nucksen said: amginex said: what?! i could fap to those roto-scoped bloomers I salute you, sir that was actually kinda funny |
amginex said: IZEROII said: dietmango said: "Eww, the characters look so fat!" "Eww their eyes don't look big enough!" "Eww, there are no panty shots! No moe! Woe is me! DROPPED!!!" "Aw man, I can't fap to this! DROPPED!" Lol you MAL folks are funny. Keep it up. Hahahahaha. They will bc the absence of moe and fanservice is not why this is getting hate. Nor has either of those characteristics been why someone has dropped it. It's all assumption by people, like yourself, that bc someone doesn't like this art it must mean they LOVE only the polar opposite. You're funny too. what?! i could fap to those roto-scoped bloomers +1 |
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| I don't think the non-"moe" character design is a problem. (Death Note pulled that off decently.) The fact that it looked like someone shot live-action scenes and traced over that is what puts me off. Anime will be considered as natto tier — acquired taste. |
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| Alright, after finally downloading and watching the whole thing subbed I can finally put my opinion in. (WARNING RANT AHEAD) It's pretty obvious that hate over this show is over the line. But still, some of those criticisms are well founded. Like so many people said before, the character designs are just plain horrible. It detracts from the gorgeous backgrounds and tense atmosphere which is probably the only good thing about it so far. The use of rotoscoping is fine but you've got to admit that it was sloppy and my god....the faces, THE LACK OF FACES in the background just screams cheap. I cannot stress how badly animated it is. It's like all of their budget went towards the backgrounds. Some argue the style makes it "realistic" or "unique" . I can respect that, but it doesn't deny the fact that it is executed sloppily. This would have fared much better if it were a live action instead we have this mess. So essence, Zexcs fucked up. |
| Just saw some screenshots of this anime and I already don't feel like watching it. xD I'll just check this forum weekly to see if it gets popular enough to watch. |
| wtf with the animation |
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Orix said: I don't think the non-"moe" character design is a problem. (Death Note pulled that off decently.) The fact that it looked like someone shot live-action scenes and traced over that is what puts me off. Anime will be considered as natto tier — acquired taste. For some reason I feel Ergo Proxy is a more appropriate example of how it could of been done if people are trying to correlate the "feel" they got from the first episode. |
dietmango said: jal90 said: I don't know guys because I didn't watch the episode nor read the manga, but judging from the images posted here, what does make them look more real? The lack of a nose or the incompletely drawn eyelashes? Aside from that, go on with the discussion, it's funny. Because it's not moe enough. And yes, it's funny. "WHY U NO LIKE THE ART, IT'S EDGY, IT'S DIFFERENT, YOU WANTED MOE" That argument is getting kinda annoying Believe me, no one here was expecting any kind of moe from Aku no Hana. Just because I disliked the art does not mean I would have prefered Nakamura to turn into a moeblob. I don't have to like it because you did, you don't have to dislike it because I did. Some love, Some hate. GET OVER IT! |
EdenBagginsApr 5, 2013 5:32 PM
| Well..... I did not like the animation. The expression of the characters were a little off, and the faces looked a little deformed sometimes. Really disappointing honestly u.u At least this first episode was faithful to the manga... *sighs* |
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| http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4622098&postcount=169 here translated statement of the director and mangaka about the anime. For all you butthurt people. You went right into his predictions. |
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EdenBaggins said: dietmango said: jal90 said: I don't know guys because I didn't watch the episode nor read the manga, but judging from the images posted here, what does make them look more real? The lack of a nose or the incompletely drawn eyelashes? Aside from that, go on with the discussion, it's funny. Because it's not moe enough. And yes, it's funny. "WHY U NO LIKE THE ART, IT'S EDGY, IT'S DIFFERENT, YOU WANTED MOE" That argument is getting kinda annoying Believe me, no one here was expecting any kinda of moe from Aku no Hana. Just because I disliked the art does not mean I would have prefered Nakamura to turn into a moeblob. I don't have to like it because you did, you don't have to dislike it because I did. Some love, Some hate. GET OVER IT! Yep yep. Bc of what I've already said. Advocates for this art selection are (literally) putting words in people mouths in this thread bc not one legitimate comment has been made along the lines of "I hate this art/anime bc there is no moe.". Replace moe with any other word such as bright colors, big eyes, pantsu, ecchi, etc. People hate it because it looks bad. Even if the author approved it doesn't mean anything. If he is happy with it then he'll sleep soundly tonight. It doesn't change the fact that the majority of Japanese and non-Japanese people feel this was a poor choice which has nothing to do with moe, etc. So agreed. Those comments are getting sad at this point. |
| DUDE WTF. Now we know why there were no characters shown in the preview LOL. I mean seriously...how are people actually defending this? There was not a single good thing about this. The gloomy, dementia vibe was just so ill-fit and uninteresting I don't even think it was intended. And that's the LEAST of it's problems. I mean come on, this was a joke right? Longest 24 minutes of my life. Only the second anime I've ever dropped.. |
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If they'd come with something like this gif, things would be certainly great! I know it's a montage of several pages from One Punch Man but that's how a good rotoscoped animation should be done. |
ビビコードバカァ！ |
| I really love the background art. It is astonishing but I couldn't comprehend the character design. I have read the manga and this kind of character design doesn't justify the character design of the manga.. |
| i feel like this anime is making fun of us humans... spending more time on the background than the actual people graphics... unless they're trying to tell me that bad animations means something philosophical. What I got from the summary: HI i stole someone's gym clothes, why did i ju- im a pervert. What I got from the anime: "Thighs that aren't thick aren't thights at all" WTF????? |
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