What do you think of the dutch laws considering the habit of smoking?
Reasonable - And I am a smoker.
12.7%
20
Not Reasonable - And I am a smoker.
5.7%
9
Reasonable - And I am not a smoker.
67.1%
106
Not Reasonable - And I am not a smoker.
14.6%
23
158 votes
| I'm curious after this one. In my country, a little while ago a new law against smoking has been instated. It's not allowed to smoke in public infrastructures such as pubs and office buildings. This has been done to limit smoking and eventually detach this habit from the dutch civilization. What do you think of this law? Vote up here. |
| the law for that was passed not long ago and i agree i hate when peple smoke in public, several times ive had a problem with being in a room with people smoking and not been able to breath properly and had a panic attack =_= |
| Smoking is chill outside, plus it infringes less on people outside. Its a reasonable enough law. |
| Sounds good to me. I don't care if people smoke so long as they do it outside; nothing worse than having to work in a room full of cigarette smoke. |
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| People should be able to smoke wherever the hell they want. The only thing keeping them from smoking around people who don't like it is decency. If they don't have decency they can get punched in the face by people who don't like it. If the people who don't like it are cowards then they can deal with it. And I'm not a smoker. |
| its not that i disagree with the human aspect of this law but it does seem the government is taking liberties especially when they cant even control the drug traffic. its just another 1984 wake call nobody heard. |
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| I think its reasonable, i have no problem going outside to smoke i actually prefer to smoke outside unless it really cold out side..... |
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| this law has been in new york for like forever it seems. works fine here, ppl just go outside to smoke, and it's an instant social occasion. smokers and non-smokers are happy. seems like a win-win situation to me. and of course, yea reasonable, second-hand smoke and whatnot, protect non-smokers, you know the deal |
| Not Reasonable most business shod have the right to chose. |
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| I disagree with your right to kill me D: second-hand smoke is a bitch. and FINALLY, come January it will be illegal to smoke in Portland bars, I am so happy. It means I'll finally be able to go to some of my favorite places and enjoy it without coming out smelling like I was a cigarette and I was on fire. |
| Having grown up with a smoker in the house, I can handle the smell pretty well but ScrumYummy said: second-hand smoke is a bitch. |
| Having temporarily lived in a state with laws against puplic indoor smoking, I think I much prefer it that way. Nobody minded walking outside to enjoy a cigarette and nobody complained about second-hand smoke which made both parties reasonably happy. However, my permanent residence is in Las Vegas, and there is nothing more horrible about a casino than the distasteful smell of stale ashtray that permeates the casino floor. |
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| This has been in the UK for a while. I agree with it. I know people like to say "people have the right to smoke, so they should be able to do it wherever they like", but what about my right to not have to take in the second hand smoke around me? In public places, I think this is a good idea. In private residences, smokers can do whatever the hell they like. I live in a house with a couple of smokers, but they have the decency to refrain from smoking where all the family relaxes (such as the living room) and instead choose to smoke where only they really sit around (kitchen). |
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| I guess I could live with the no smoking in buildings law but in the us they are going as far as to say you cant even smoke on certain properties even of you are in the parking lot or your car. Also places like bars should have a smoking section because its not like children are gonna be in there anyway so if you choose to go in the smoking section and you dont like the smell then dont go in the smoking section. Also I dont think smoking in generan will ever be made illigal because what about the millions addicted because of the years of the goverment saying it was ok, and you have to think of the tax profit they make off of cigarattes a year. |
Cillu said: The law makes sense. Public places are meant to be shared. People that smoke whist on public property are disrespecting others around him and it sucks to inhale second hand smoke. If you want to smoke, do it on your own property. But this shouldent matter if you are in your car but it dose. |
Rpgwiz99 said: But this shouldent matter if you are in your car but it dose. Probably because the majority of people who smoke in cars tend to roll down their windows. Some place's laws state that smoking must be done a certain number of feet/meters away from the residence of the building, which usually includes its parking lot. |
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| I support this law fully. In fact, I want more places to be "smoke-free" ^_^. |
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Baby_Naruto said: I support this law fully. In fact, I want more places to be "smoke-free" ^_^. all non smokers say this, but it comes dow to how much you support this. For example should I be able to smoke inside my car on a smoke free properity? |
Rpgwiz99 said: Baby_Naruto said: I support this law fully. In fact, I want more places to be "smoke-free" ^_^. all non smokers say this, but it comes dow to how much you support this. For example should I be able to smoke inside my car on a smoke free properity? As long as all of the doors are closed and the windows rolled up, then yes you may ^_^. |
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Baby_Naruto said: Rpgwiz99 said: Baby_Naruto said: I support this law fully. In fact, I want more places to be "smoke-free" ^_^. all non smokers say this, but it comes dow to how much you support this. For example should I be able to smoke inside my car on a smoke free properity? As long as all of the doors are closed and the windows rolled up, then yes you may ^_^. even better, If I hotbox the car I get higher. At least you dont go as far as to think its ok to tell me what to do in my own car. |
Rpgwiz99 said: Baby_Naruto said: Rpgwiz99 said: Baby_Naruto said: I support this law fully. In fact, I want more places to be "smoke-free" ^_^. all non smokers say this, but it comes dow to how much you support this. For example should I be able to smoke inside my car on a smoke free properity? As long as all of the doors are closed and the windows rolled up, then yes you may ^_^. even better, If I hotbox the car I get higher. At least you dont go as far as to think its ok to tell me what to do in my own car. You're welcome? |
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| Smoking is terrible, and terrible for anything around you. So I support this law fully. Wish they'd do something like this in the USA. |
Unkind said: Smoking is terrible, and terrible for anything around you. So I support this law fully. Wish they'd do something like this in the USA. they do |
DarkBusterCloud said: Miyako-chan said: If they suddenly said "Okay everybody you can no longer smoke at all" that would cause a major uproar -_-There is a certain limit to where can you go with any law. And total ban of smoking, which is in my opinion the finish line for laws like this is impossible. For now this stage of it is I guess acceptable. They wouldent be able to handle it. |
Rpgwiz99 said: Unkind said: Smoking is terrible, and terrible for anything around you. So I support this law fully. Wish they'd do something like this in the USA. they do in my grand design, there would no "smoking or non-smoking" and you'd get arrested for it instantly! :) |
Unkind said: Rpgwiz99 said: Unkind said: Smoking is terrible, and terrible for anything around you. So I support this law fully. Wish they'd do something like this in the USA. they do in my grand design, there would no "smoking or non-smoking" and you'd get arrested for it instantly! :) What if im in my car with the doors closed and windows rolled up smoking on a no smoking properity, how dose that fit into your grand design? |
Flibbertigibbet said: DarkBusterCloud said: Unkind said: As said before, if you suddenly take away people's rights to smoke.....all the smokers are gonna go crazy and start some kind of uproar. (Believe me i hate smoking, i honestly do. But i know it's impossible to just make it illegal)Rpgwiz99 said: Unkind said: Smoking is terrible, and terrible for anything around you. So I support this law fully. Wish they'd do something like this in the USA. they do in my grand design, there would no "smoking or non-smoking" and you'd get arrested for it instantly! :) A bit of a double standard. We should have the right to take away smoker's rights to smoke. After you said that I read your sig and understood it all. Thats like saying we should take away your right to eat Mcdonalds because its bad for you. |
| Reasonable - And I am not a smoker. (your vote) We've had this law in Sweden for quite some time now. <.< and fuck yea, it's reasonable. They should ban smoking entirely. |
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Azamat said: Reasonable - And I am not a smoker. (your vote) We've had this law in Sweden for quite some time now. <.< and fuck yea, it's reasonable. They should ban smoking entirely. what a biased opinion |
| who cares about the dutch is a better question. |
Baby_Naruto said: As long as all of the doors are closed and the windows rolled up, then yes you may ^_^. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. If his car is in that smoking-free parking lot, he still has to adhere to the laws of the state whether or not he plans to roll down his windows/open his door or not. Because even if the car is his property, as long as it's residing on another person's property, he has to abide by the owner(s) of that building's rules, which, in turn, have to abide by federal and state laws relating to public infrastructures. He does, however, have every right to leave said property and find somewhere else to smoke his cigarette. That's being objective about the subject, though. I think security/police/etc. mainly get on people about smoking in parking lots because the vast majority tend to either smoke outside of their cars or with the windows down, so it's easier just to ban it completely. In contrast to such a law, I find it pretty pointless to ban smoking in parking lots. How many people stick around long enough to suffer the ill effects of the smoke? Maybe the ban is just a deterrent to keep people from crowding around them? Who knows. |
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Sakuya_Li said: Baby_Naruto said: As long as all of the doors are closed and the windows rolled up, then yes you may ^_^. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. If his car is in that smoking-free parking lot, he still has to adhere to the laws of the state whether or not he plans to roll down his windows/open his door or not. Because even if the car is his property, as long as it's residing on another person's property, he has to abide by the owner(s) of that building's rules, which, in turn, have to abide by federal and state laws relating to public infrastructures. He does, however, have every right to leave said property and find somewhere else to smoke his cigarette. That's being objective about the subject, though. I think security/police/etc. mainly get on people about smoking in parking lots because the vast majority tend to either smoke outside of their cars or with the windows down, so it's easier just to ban it completely. In contrast to such a law, I find it pretty pointless to ban smoking in parking lots. How many people stick around long enough to suffer the ill effects of the smoke? Maybe the ban is just a deterrent to keep people from crowding around them? Who knows. Point made |
| Being an ex-smoker myself I still approve off this law. I've stopped for almost 2 years now and I haven't regretted it since. After a while I realised how much it stinks and irritates when I'm hanging out with friends that smoke. So personally I think it's more then normal that smoking is banned in public places. |
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Rpgwiz99 said: Azamat said: Reasonable - And I am not a smoker. (your vote) We've had this law in Sweden for quite some time now. <.< and fuck yea, it's reasonable. They should ban smoking entirely. what a biased opinion Do you have a problem with my biased opinion? It's a justified because |
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Azamat said: Rpgwiz99 said: Azamat said: Reasonable - And I am not a smoker. (your vote) We've had this law in Sweden for quite some time now. <.< and fuck yea, it's reasonable. They should ban smoking entirely. what a biased opinion Do you have a problem with my biased opinion? It's a justified because how is tobacco a drug? |
Rpgwiz99 said: how is tobacco a drug? Are you kidding me? wiki quote "Tobacco is an agricultural product, recognized as an addictive drug" |
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Rpgwiz99 said: how is tobacco a drug? How is it NOT a drug? I agree with Azamat - or rather, I see no too horrible problems with people smoking (if they want to commit suicide, they should be free to do so), but people earning money from distributing addictive cancerogens with no good side effects except looking cool is just sick. |
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Azamat said: Rpgwiz99 said: how is tobacco a drug? Are you kidding me? wiki quote "Tobacco is an agricultural product, recognized as an addictive drug" maybe by definition yea, but its not some hardcore drug that affects anything but your health (And is addictive) even in goverment forums they are kept seperete, they ask if you smoke or do any tobacco, then if you do any type of drugs. |
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| Yes we have similar laws in my country too. And i guess it's fine. There isn't even single postivie side of smoking so maybe making it more difficult would prevent people from starting doing so... I don't know though. My parents have been smoking all my life and before i was born. I myself only smoke when I'm drunk and/or really mad/sad... It's a personal choise to destroy your own health but it's a good thing to start considering people around you. |
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| This was done years ago hear. Worked quite well. Not sure if it's impacted the rate at which people start or quit smoking, though. But it's nice not having to ever deal with smoke in my face when I go out. |
| i'm not Dutch or anything, but here in the U.S. we have those laws. it depends on the city though for restaurants. it doesn't bother me any to smoke outside, but of course i'm one of those smokers who doesn't actually like the smell of smoke... haha. |
| People shouldn't smoke in public buildings o.O; do it outside. |
| Stunning poll results up there, thanks for your replies everyone. My vote goes out to 'Reasonable' as well. I'm not a smoker, and I have to say that this law makes public places much more comfortable. It seems that the users from countries with similar laws feel the same way. |
Rpgwiz99 said: maybe by definition yea, but its not some hardcore drug that affects anything but your health (And is addictive) even in goverment forums they are kept seperete, they ask if you smoke or do any tobacco, then if you do any type of drugs. It's kept separate because it's a very commonly used and (more or less) socially acceptable drug, and compared to many others, not very powerful. But as you say, it's still a big health risk and addictive. A similar law was passed in No-way some years ago, and it really helps I'd say. There's still lots of people smoking outside various establishments, but at least they're not doing it inside. It's quite humorous to see sickly patients shivering outside of hospitals in the cold, tightly gripping their cigarettes. |
Baman said: Rpgwiz99 said: maybe by definition yea, but its not some hardcore drug that affects anything but your health (And is addictive) even in goverment forums they are kept seperete, they ask if you smoke or do any tobacco, then if you do any type of drugs. It's kept separate because it's a very commonly used and (more or less) socially acceptable drug, and compared to many others, not very powerful. But as you say, it's still a big health risk and addictive. A similar law was passed in No-way some years ago, and it really helps I'd say. There's still lots of people smoking outside various establishments, but at least they're not doing it inside. It's quite humorous to see sickly patients shivering outside of hospitals in the cold, tightly gripping their cigarettes. Yea my dad works in a hospitial and people on their death bed from cigarates still manage to get their smoke breaks. |
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