SquadmemberRitsu said: They changed the titles on purpose. It is not a mistranslation. Stop pretending you know stuff. No one's buying it And they all deliberately changed titles just to spit on the authors life work and the poor author that never had a say in it has been driven to madness because of it. There is a conspiracy plot in this changing of titles... |
Fengr said: SquadmemberRitsu said: They changed the titles on purpose. It is not a mistranslation. Stop pretending you know stuff. No one's buying it And they all deliberately changed titles just to spit on the authors life work and the poor author that never had a say in it has been driven to madness because of it. There is a conspiracy plot in this changing of titles... You have to understand that anime is a product to be sold, first and foremost. This applies to changing up titles to catch the audience's attention, but it also applies to the producers changing the content of the show from the medium they are adapting from (be it manga, VNs, LNs, or novels) in order to make it fit a typical TV episodic form. Take "Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari" ("Saint Knight's Tale," or something like that). It was an OVA series that I stumbled across when I was looking for cheesy haremshit to quell my boredom. I bet most found the series the same way I did, and probably wouldn't have found it otherwise. But when Funimation nabbed it and tacked "Tenchi Muyo!" in front of it, it instantly got the attention of many Tenchi fans in the US (me included). |
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Megaton said: I tend to go for dubs for several reasons. 1) A lot of things can be lost in translation through subs. Substituting a more free-flowing American saying or phrase with a garbled or extremely literal English translation can damage a scene. I often watch dubbed anime with the subs turned on just to see how it differs, and more often than not they really lose a lot of good descriptors. 2) Subs distract from the action. While subs are fine in a live-action movie, it can work against an anime. Anime characters are not restricted by human limitations in a fight scene. While two mecha pilots are conversing and frantically battling at the same time, you can find yourself struggling to read and catch the action simultaneously. It doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen. 3) I just don't think the heavy Japanese accent clicks with a lot of characters. If it's a high school romance that takes place in Tokyo, then sure, it makes sense. But it doesn't work if you're trying to portray, let's say an old-timey American cast of characters like in Baccano. This being said, I don't have some profound irrational hatred for subs. If something is only in Japanese, I'll still watch it all the same. I simply prefer dubbing over subs most of the time. They're not as bad as a lot of anime elitists like to claim they are, and it's silly that people still try so hard to make it some kinda taboo to like dubs. Your first point happens far more in dubs than it does in subs. Official subs do that crap too. I do not get distracted by the subtitles. I can still keep up. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Your first point happens far more in dubs than it does in subs. Official subs do that crap too. I do not get distracted by the subtitles. I can still keep up. They do it because it makes more sense for the audience they're selling to. It happens a lot in dubs because voice overs are more restricted than subtitles which can generally use more words than the character has time to actually say. Anyway, I'm finding myself more and more against the use of fan-subs because of how low some of their quality can get. I'm talking about poor grammar and poor spelling. I don't care how fast or how well they fix it after the fact, if a release was bad the first time then it's bad. No English subbing/dubbing company would want to hire someone who couldn't write basic English. |
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gamer2710 said: You're saying subs lose a lot in translation and that's bad and then when someone says it's even worse in dubs, then you say it's because it's supposed to be like that.Drunk_Samurai said: Your first point happens far more in dubs than it does in subs. Official subs do that crap too. I do not get distracted by the subtitles. I can still keep up. They do it because it makes more sense for the audience they're selling to. It happens a lot in dubs because voice overs are more restricted than subtitles which can generally use more words than the character has time to actually say. Anyway, I'm finding myself more and more against the use of fan-subs because of how low some of their quality can get. I'm talking about poor grammar and poor spelling. I don't care how fast or how well they fix it after the fact, if a release was bad the first time then it's bad. No English subbing/dubbing company would want to hire someone who couldn't write basic English. Without a doubt dubs lose more than subs, seeing as the audio doesn't change when you sub. There are tons of sub groups out there and they do it for free, it's natural for there to be a couple of mistakes. A couple of small spelling or grammar mistakes won't affect you in the long run compared to changing all the words to dub. |
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wisetaner said: Hi all, I hope this isn't too off topic, but could any of you give me your top choices of recently recented dubbed animes. I ask because if you look at my completed list on my profile I have seen quite a few dubbed animes and I'm running out. Actually the ones I haven't seen and am staying away from are ones such as DragonBall Z or the like. Basically older cartoon style. I like animes such as Soul Eater, Fairy Tail, Familar of Zero, and Freezing. But there seems to be far more subbed animes then dubbed animes. One reason I enjoy the dubbed versions is that it allows me to do homework while listening and occasionally glancing at the browser window that has the anime playing. So again, if any of you could provide me with some suggestions, preferably dubbed animes released recently but as old as within the last 8 years...I would be grateful! Thanks Side note, the older the anime the worse it looks in my opinion. It'd be wiser to post that here (link). You'll get more serious answers than trolls. |
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| ...I don't know what argument is going on in these pages, but about subtitle vs dub: it really depends for me which version I watched first. I will always prefer Pokemon, Yugioh, Digimon, and Yuyu Hakusho in english dub. I can't watch most other animes dubbed however because I saw them in japanese first. The code geass dub was alright though, but I'll always prefer sub |
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Forgetfulness said: gamer2710 said: Drunk_Samurai said: Your first point happens far more in dubs than it does in subs. Official subs do that crap too. I do not get distracted by the subtitles. I can still keep up. They do it because it makes more sense for the audience they're selling to. It happens a lot in dubs because voice overs are more restricted than subtitles which can generally use more words than the character has time to actually say. Anyway, I'm finding myself more and more against the use of fan-subs because of how low some of their quality can get. I'm talking about poor grammar and poor spelling. I don't care how fast or how well they fix it after the fact, if a release was bad the first time then it's bad. No English subbing/dubbing company would want to hire someone who couldn't write basic English. Could you give me an example of that? Throughout all the anime I've watched, I have never encountered a fansub that has consistent spelling/grammar mistakes. Or is it just something that happens with airing anime that needs to be churned out ASAP? Usually when a company wants to be the first one out I think. I remember the third season of Shakugan No Shana did it quite often and I found myself re-watching the episode about a week later when Funimation uploaded it because they had subs that were easier to follow. Biggest example of this was on the last episode during Shana's ranting, and during the ending.... I'm actually pretty certain you can still find that version lurking about somewhere as they didn't fix it, but I'm not sure who it was that subbed it. |
| I feel like I'm one of the few people out there that doesn't have a strong opinion either way. I like both. Sometimes I will watch the first episode of a series twice, pick which one I prefer, and go from there. If you had to put a gun to my head, and I HAD to choose....as of right now, I like dubs more, but for only one reason, and that it's because I can relate to the voice more than I can with a Japanese voice. But am I going to not watch a show because there isn't a dub of it? Of course not. In fact, I haven't seen a dub anime in a while because I can't find any lol. To me they both have their strong and weak points, and can both be equally well done, so that's why I like them both....I take no side in this argument :P |
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| I usually prefer subs. Why? Well mainly because the Japanese voice actors usually give superior performances over their English counterparts. But not all the time. If an English cast is really good, and there have been quite a few cases of this, then they are equal in quality. But at the end of the day, I usually watch whatever is most convenient, unless one version is absolutely atrocious compared to the other. |
| I mainly watch everything I find in subs due to the simple fact that I grew up with subbed anime. In some cases though, (Inuyasha for example) I vividly remember always watching it late at night on Adult Swim years ago, so when I decided to watch it entirely, I absolutely had to watch it in dubbed specifically because I was so fond of it. Even if |
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PurpleHurple said: I agree with pretty much everything LithicAnarchy said. When I was much younger, a combination of patriotism and immaturity lead me to believe that it should be raws and subs- nothing else, and that people who have a cry about having to read and watch at the same time should "get over it". To be more specific, I prefer Japanese voices far more. I may be very biased because I have no trouble understanding Japanese, plus I'm very used to watching shows with subtitles (therefore the "don't want to concentrate on reading while watching" argument doesn't apply to me). I also honestly believe that Japanese VAs deliver far better performances than the Western VAs. I like you. Saying YOU prefer. Meaning that you're giving us your opinion and you know that your opinion isn't word of god. I wish more non-dub watchers were more like this. I happen to disagree with you and that it depends on the VA, and the anime to which is better in subs or dubs, but that's just difference in opinion. My favorite example would be Angel Beats. Mostly because I watched it first in subbed and then re-watched in dubbed. I absolutely loved both and think that they're both really good. However I prefer dubbed for one simple reason....The Japanese VA for Otonashi completely butchered the ending scene at the fountain for me......The English VA did a much better job in my opinion. |
| It took me a while to notice, but when I'm watching subbed anime sometimes, the emotions conveyed by the seiyuu doesn't match up with the facial expressions. Then when it's dubbed and the same thing happens, everyone says that the VA's suck that it doesn't match well. It's not always the VA's fault, the people behind the animation gotta take some blame. Sometimes the animation quality is truly terrible and it messes everything up. (BTW I enjoy both) |
| I personally prefer to watch subbed anime However i did start out watching dubbed anime pretty much refusing to try subs And then i noticed there was a vast amount of new different anime that was not dubbed and so i gave in I am very glad i did there isn't anything wrong with dub from time to time i still try to watch a dubbed anime but in my opinion subbed is far greater My reasons for this is after previously watching dubbed anime i noticed allot of the dialog was very different or even missing I felt like i had been missing out on allot of the story the anime had to offer Also simple things like background noise things such as traffic and birds and wind I know that sounds silly but it makes a difference Then there are the voices I prefer to hear the characters voices the way they are intended to sound I feel like most of the time they fit the character and even certain facial expressions moods or reactions much better than dubbed anime There is more of an explanation for my preference of subs i just cant seem to find it right now I am not sure why i just feel like there is something missing when watching dub and after using subs for so many years dub just feels foreign? haha Also i would absolutely love to watch raw anime then i wouldn't have to think about sub or dub and i am sure it would feel all the more authentic Unfortunately i am a bit of a fail when it comes to learning to speak new languages lol |
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| Depends on the anime =/ |
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| It depends on where the anime is set in. Anime like Hellsing and Baccano are much better in English because its set in an english speaking country. Also there is a factor of if its a good dub and whether or not there is a voice actor I recognize and adore.Ex,Crispin Freeman. But mostly I prefer the subbed version I like watching the original thing with the above mentioned to be an exception.So,if I watch anime I watch it in Japanese,Korean Drama in Korean and American shows in English. |
| I honestly think its got to do with 2 factors: Setting and the "Feel" of the voice. For example, I can't watch Code Geass dubbed because Lelouch's voice doesn't sound as bold or menacing. His English voice is too soft most of the time and that just doesn't work with his different personalities. TTGL is different because although Kamina's dubbed voice has a different feel from the Japanese, it adds more emotion to the inspirational and young side of him. The same goes with Simon. Baccano is where the setting part comes in. It makes sense to watch Baccano dubbed. And not only that but the dub is actually good in on ts own. I've been told the sub is better and i still don't understand. |
TengokuNoKusari said: For example, I can't watch Code Geass dubbed because Lelouch's voice doesn't sound as bold or menacing. His English voice is too soft most of the time and that just doesn't work with his different personalities. I disagree. Johnny Yong Bosch was amazing as Lelouch and he's the main reason i prefer Code Geass dubbed. Is it better than the Japanese version? No, but it's just as good imo. |
IcecreamManwich said: +1000TengokuNoKusari said: For example, I can't watch Code Geass dubbed because Lelouch's voice doesn't sound as bold or menacing. His English voice is too soft most of the time and that just doesn't work with his different personalities. I disagree. Johnny Yong Bosch was amazing as Lelouch and he's the main reason i prefer Code Geass dubbed. Is it better than the Japanese version? No, but it's just as good imo. |
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| Some dubs are awesome, others can kill a series, but same goes for subs. But overall i prefer watching something than reading it, so most of the time I'll handle a dub even if it's absolute shit. |
| I think I'm influenced by which one I hear first. For instance I can not stand anime I watched as a kid in a different language, it just breaks my immersion I guess. Otherwise I think it really depends on the actors doing the voices regardless of language. There's obviously some really talented English voices and are very easy to listen to. |
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Mike_the_Great said: Some dubs are awesome, others can kill a series, but same goes for subs. But overall i prefer watching something than reading it, so most of the time I'll handle a dub even if it's absolute shit. Pretty much this for me. I mean.... I have come to respect subs and Japanese VAs a lot more than I used to when I was a dub watcher only, and I do love the sound of various character's voices in subs, But if there's an English option to watch.... Chances are I'll watch it over the subbed, mainly because I'm still watching the same anime, and the story will progress the same regardless of what audio I watch it in. |
| DUB of course. Only ugly people read subtitles. |
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| It depends, but most of the time sub wins. If the dub is decent I'll watch it dubbed. Most of the show I'm currently watching have no dub yet anyways. |
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| Sub. I honestly would prefer dubs if they were done RIGHT considering its my native language, but its not that simple to create a good dub. The VA pool for dubbed voice actors is small, dub production is often rushed and involves little pre-production, and dubs themselves usually involve very little participation from the original creators. That and localization can detract from the original experience. That is not to say dubs can't be done well (Baccano!, Cowboy Bebop, Cromartie, etc), but subs are more often a better bet. |
| Japans voice actors are better, they put more emotion/enthusiasm into it. Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner the only exceptions are usually the ones for kids.. like Hamtaro and Pokemon |
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Ghostony said: Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner You must not have watched much dubbed anime then -_- |
Ghostony said: Dude, have you seen or heard some of these voice actors? I'm not talking about the ones that get hired to do a few lines in one show, I mean the good ones that have been dubbing for years, playing many significant characters. Either you haven't watched recent dubs or you're just trolling us.Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner |
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Ghostony said: Japans voice actors are better, they put more emotion/enthusiasm into it. Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner the only exceptions are usually the ones for kids.. like Hamtaro and Pokemon Agree with this. The only dub actor that i like is McConnohie, Michael and that's only because he voiced Seth in Super street fighter 4. I honestly despise dub it feels ridiculously awkward and it is painful to hear ^_^''. |
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| Subs, because I think dub makes the sound feel off and unsynced and also sometimes have awkwardly unmatching voices. |
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MarineSlate said: gamer2710 said: Ghostony said: Dude, have you seen or heard some of these voice actors? I'm not talking about the ones that get hired to do a few lines in one show, I mean the good ones that have been dubbing for years, playing many significant characters. Either you haven't watched recent dubs or you're just trolling us.Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner He can state his honest opinion. We're obviously outnumbered by you guys so stop acting as if dubs > subs is objective. Fail more. Ghostony said: Japans voice actors are better, they put more emotion/enthusiasm into it. Every time I hear an english dub I can almost see the middle-aged fatty tiredly chowing down on a cheezburger as he reads his lines in a really bland manner the only exceptions are usually the ones for kids.. like Hamtaro and Pokemon ITT: Trolls. |
| Because some people think dub is bad ( which it is ) they are trolls , nice logic you got there. |
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tsudecimo said: Because some people think dub is bad ( which it is ) they are trolls , nice logic you got there. I enjoy both subs and dubs. So therefor my opinion on the subject is worth more than yours. Tryharder please. |
Ahri said: tsudecimo said: Because some people think dub is bad ( which it is ) they are trolls , nice logic you got there. I enjoy both subs and dubs. So therefor my opinion on the subject is worth more than yours. Tryharder please. Try harder at what idiot? They said how they feel about dubs and you call them trolls what kind of logic is that? Your opinion is worth more ? Lol the whole topic isn't worth shit.... |
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tsudecimo said: Ahri said: tsudecimo said: Because some people think dub is bad ( which it is ) they are trolls , nice logic you got there. I enjoy both subs and dubs. So therefor my opinion on the subject is worth more than yours. Tryharder please. Try harder at what idiot? They said how they feel about dubs and you call them trolls what kind of logic is that? Your opinion is worth more ? Lol the whole topic isn't worth shit.... You're trying way too hard troll. I've been to /a/, and I'm part of the League of Legends community (most toxic community). I've seen it all. |
Ahri said: Nobody's opinion is worth more.tsudecimo said: Because some people think dub is bad ( which it is ) they are trolls , nice logic you got there. I enjoy both subs and dubs. So therefor my opinion on the subject is worth more than yours. Tryharder please. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Ahri said: Nobody's opinion is worth more.tsudecimo said: Because some people think dub is bad ( which it is ) they are trolls , nice logic you got there. I enjoy both subs and dubs. So therefor my opinion on the subject is worth more than yours. Tryharder please. Shhhhhh, don't let him know that. Gah! You ruined my fun :( |
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