9988 said: I never said it wasn't there to tell people what kind of fan you are. But you seem to like to do it to other people but not put anything on there so somebody can do the same to you. Your favorites can only tell people so much, people don't choose favorite anime by artstyle, that's why you can search through someone's list, which you haven't updated anything. Did you choose your favorite anime by artstyle or did you choose them by story, characters, etc. Someone can do to you what you did to him and say that you don't have any experience with new artstyles because the newest anime from your list is from 96 and it was started before then so it's actually earlier. I have no intention of arguing with you about art quality, it's something that I can tell you will never budge on and I don't really have a big position or really care about. And I was planning on leaving your posts completely alone until I saw you going after someone based on their favorite anime. Yes I do like unique artstyles, but every time has good and bad artwork and styles that's why I feel no need to argue about them. Of course it was evident, my response was just pointing out that it was kind of stupid to do that when you won't let anybody else do that to you. Like I said up there, your favorites can only tell someone so much. Well you've been here for like half a year, I don't see how just quickly adding anime as you see them while browsing the site would be time consuming. Even faster if you use the faster add to your list function. And like you said, your list can show people what kind of fan you are, what's the point in coming to an anime listing site if you don't list your anime. I never said anything was wrong with that, as long as you let people do that to you too. Saying he was a 100% contemporary fan when he might not have updated all of his anime just like you haven't. Saying that he should watch older anime to be a better judge when your list doesn't show that you have watched any newer anime. Saying that he was of the cooker cutter generation, sure did sound like you were judging him. I wasn't angry about it, just slightly annoyed. The truth is it's harder for newer anime fans to get into older series, and they don't really need to to enjoy anime. Most people on this site don't even spend that much time watching anime, most of the people who have watched those older shows, were from that generation. So it's not that hard to think that they would like that style. Ahri said: Like he said a couple of posts away from yours, mine was just a sarcastic remark about him bringing someone elses profile into the converstaion when someone can't do the same to his. It was meant to be extremely sarcastic, I'm not stupid enough to believe that he has only watched one anime yet has 5 favorite anime and manga, it was just meant to show him that it oculd be done to him too.9988 said: About my profile, well I did not bother, I was not gonna add all the anime I have watched. I agree with this. Someone's MAL profile is hardly a way to judge someone's opinion on these boards. Don't make me sad Panda :(. I like you. We might disagree in the whole sub vs dub thing but as a person you're one of my favorites on MAL. Edit: Though to be completely honest, I read your comment pretty sarcastically. Whether you were really being sarcastic or not.... I don't know lol. |
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nekovision said: rederoin said: Carnival_Corpse said: nekovision said: Yes. I definitely agree artworks of anime have gone down to such generic cheesy mess after 2000. I thinks use of computer for the animation is the main problem. Animator nowaday just copy and paste everything without any real drawing talents. I also don't get why modern Japanese prefer "effeminate" looking male characters. Anyway: I prefer the "bad-ass" looking old style. [img]http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/10/39002.jpg[img] Over this "pussy" looking modern style. Here's my two cent [img]http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/11/94770.jpg[mg] I might be wrong (and I stand corrected if I am) but aren't those two images from totally different genres of anime ?? + the top one seems like a cover image while the second is a screenshot... covers art is always more detailed First one is from a battle-shonen, 2nd one is from a action/ecchi show. Or better put, its cherry picking. Cherry picking sure is fun. Seriously. Fate/Zero and Type Moon's artworks in general is what you call a "typical generic boring modern anime art with over-used CG". Originated from generic visual novels. Yes. I'm not Type Moon fan, so this is my personal opinion. Watch series like Fist of North Star. DBZ and Slam Dunk You'll see what's truly bad-ass looking guys. And Sailor Moon's style was consider a stand out at that time. And I prefer it over the average moe looking modern digitally coloured anime. I removed the img tags for a reason, don't be a dick by adding them again for no good reason. |
Not_Biased said: You've watched no older anime.i share the same view on this issue op |
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IntroverTurtle said: Not_Biased said: You've watched no older anime.i share the same view on this issue op So you are taking on my so very "bad bully" example and grave sin of checking a profiles and sating what it is there? He has Saint Seiya, DB and DBZ and with very good score and comments. Anyway, to reply to your angry state, yes I recognize my first comment came in too aggressive and already said sorry to him, what are you so hung up on it? I did nothing wrong but state the truth, yet in an aggressive sounding judgmental manner I reckon thou as I said it was not the intention at all, was my observation wrong? No. If had been I could have simple been corrected by him however. Again, you mentioning that i should post info on what I have watched so other "do the same to me", well, again you say it as If I did something really wrong and imply I dont post so I dont get the same bully treatment but no, I dont bother nor care to post all that info, I have absolutely no issue in telling I have watched from Astroboy to even K-ON fyi, my favs tell a lot about me, and what are the chances I simply stopped watching anime in the 90s and lurking these forums? Believe it or not a favs anime/manga/characters speaks a lot about a fan here, even without having all the detailed info of the anime list. But it could come in handy thou, I often criticize moe and people tell me I probably never watch the series I criticize so dont know what the hell I am talking about, but I simply can tell them otherwise and that it, No issue at all. And yes, I am not stopping you or anyone to checking my profile and "judge" me --as a fan, my tastes--- over little or much I have there, just as you said I could be a totally new anike fan -sarcatically-, as I did, I can simply sate otherwise. |
9988Jan 17, 2013 3:14 PM
rederoin said: nekovision said: rederoin said: Carnival_Corpse said: nekovision said: Yes. I definitely agree artworks of anime have gone down to such generic cheesy mess after 2000. I thinks use of computer for the animation is the main problem. Animator nowaday just copy and paste everything without any real drawing talents. I also don't get why modern Japanese prefer "effeminate" looking male characters. Anyway: I prefer the "bad-ass" looking old style. [img]http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/10/39002.jpg[img] Over this "pussy" looking modern style. Here's my two cent [img]http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/11/94770.jpg[mg] I might be wrong (and I stand corrected if I am) but aren't those two images from totally different genres of anime ?? + the top one seems like a cover image while the second is a screenshot... covers art is always more detailed First one is from a battle-shonen, 2nd one is from a action/ecchi show. Or better put, its cherry picking. Cherry picking sure is fun. Seriously. Fate/Zero and Type Moon's artworks in general is what you call a "typical generic boring modern anime art with over-used CG". Originated from generic visual novels. Yes. I'm not Type Moon fan, so this is my personal opinion. Watch series like Fist of North Star. DBZ and Slam Dunk You'll see what's truly bad-ass looking guys. And Sailor Moon's style was consider a stand out at that time. And I prefer it over the average moe looking modern digitally coloured anime. I removed the img tags for a reason, don't be a dick by adding them again for no good reason. i hope you know Sailor moon was a shojo demographic not shounen |
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Tony_Redgrave said: so you like the old animes more because of the drawing-style? for me, it is the story that matters in an anime. sometimes i have to get used to the drawing-style though. i think the animes that come out nowadays are very good! take sword art online, for instance. >Story. >Sword Art Online. EDIT: Oh shit, ninja'd. |
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| What is the point on talking about the overall quality of the shows mentioned by rederoin? Isn't it made clear that it is cherry picking? Therefore, using only the still images that are shown. Who cares if Sailor Moon has actually better animation or if Fate/Zero overuses CGI. What I see in the images is: 1) a prevalence of moe tropes in the "back then" part with 2) lighter colour palette and 3) simpler and sketchier drawing. The point of that post was to show the absurdity of cherry picking anyway, which has been done several times in this thread including the OP. |
9988 said: Not really, he is known for saying stupid things like that. And I didn't even have to check his profile now, he's known for saying things that he has no experience to back up. And I never said that you weren't able to check profiles, I even said it might be a good thing. I just said don't do it to other people and judge them about it when others can't see yours. I am not angry, I even mentioned that in my other post, I was a little annoyed and that's it, I didn't type up 5 paragraphs like you, it was one small paragraph. And I'm not hung up on it, I mentioned it once, and then responded to your response. You're the one who started this conversation. I never said it was wrong either, he hasn't watch much older anime. Wow that was a hard one, I wasn't calling you a liar. I was just making a remark about how you said it, you apologized, and that should have been it, yet you chose to respond to me again. I don't really care, as I said up there, I made one little remark about the way you said something and you wrote me a book. Not really, favorites don't tell a lot. If you see my favorites you can't see the amount of anime i've watched, all the different genres, which genres I like more, etc. Yeah but in not putting it on your list, you create an unneeded misunderstanding. It's fine if you want to do that. This is pretty off topic, so this stops here, you don't need to respond, I got the gist. |
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Tony_Redgrave said: so you like the old animes more because of the drawing-style? for me, it is the story that matters in an anime. sometimes i have to get used to the drawing-style though. i think the animes that come out nowadays are very good! take sword art online, for instance. No-one is saying such thing, if anything both sides agree for liking anime is combination of elements, not art style, but this topic is specifically about art style preference and it we consider that it has declined from the golden days of the calssics. Also the newer style fans say there so much "cherry picking" but aren't you dong the same? I could as well pick some good examples like GITS, Monster, Dennou Coil, Shugurui, xxxholic, Gurren Lagann, Macross Frontier, Gankutsuou and support extraordinarily well that the generic characters design are not true. I think the OP posts very good example of what me mean by "generic" and the "todays characters looks the same" or the "I swear I have seen that guy a million times" As some said it all comes down to preference and more importantly WE ALL differ n what we consider: -"Quality" -"Better" -"Generic" -"improvement" We all have different notions of what it constitutes. Some of you like the more refined, polished, vibrant palettes of todays anime, albeit it looks like such models are used right and left in any number of anime in any lelev of quality animation, hence the not incorrect perception many have of the "they all look a like" Older anime is indeed more rough and less polished, frames per second were less, palettes were not as vibrant and rich but they all -most at least- had very distinctive qualities, plus anime was hand drawn, doing that way it was impossible to have much similarities in designs. Today as anime is computerized, artists keep on using the same models with some little differences here and there, eye color, hair color, etc, so even when the can look different, for some yes the look the same. |
9988Jan 17, 2013 3:47 PM
| I come back, yet I feel like this thread is going almost nowhere. Also this: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Nope, there has always been ugly shit and generally art is more a matter of taste than of quality. and this: jal90 said: What is the point on talking about the overall quality of the shows mentioned by rederoin? Isn't it made clear that it is cherry picking? Therefore, using only the still images that are shown. Who cares if Sailor Moon has actually better animation or if Fate/Zero overuses CGI. What I see in the images is: 1) a prevalence of moe tropes in the "back then" part with 2) lighter colour palette and 3) simpler and sketchier drawing. The point of that post was to show the absurdity of cherry picking anyway, which has been done several times in this thread including the OP. |
ronriJan 17, 2013 4:02 PM
| In these cherry picked examples I keep seeing, the only thing I notice is that the "now" anime actually look better. To be honest, I was confused by the point the posters were trying to make until I realized they actually think Sailor Moon looks better than Full Metal Alchemist. |
9988 said: Also the newer style fans say there so much "cherry picking" but aren't you dong the same? I could as well pick some good examples like GITS, Monster, Dennou Coil, Shugurui, xxxholic, Gurren Lagann, Macross Frontier, Gankutsuou and support extraordinarily well that the generic characters design are not true. Unfortunately most of the examples you mentioned (maybe with the exception of GITS, Monster) still look rather generic to me. Even Macross Frontier has turned into a annoying "Moe" show with cute girls where nothing like original SDF Macross, and male lead look like a "woman" and I absolutely can't stand :( Anyway. Anime company need to go back to this kind of badass-ness.  |
| Animation has improved, this can't be denied. And animation will continue to improve. That just how it works. Animation has nothing to do with artstyle. Artstyle(what this thread is about), is subjective. No matter how you put it, your opinion is not better than somebody else's if its regarding arstyle. Also relevant. jal90 said: What is the point on talking about the overall quality of the shows mentioned by rederoin? Isn't it made clear that it is cherry picking? Therefore, using only the still images that are shown. Who cares if Sailor Moon has actually better animation or if Fate/Zero overuses CGI. What I see in the images is: 1) a prevalence of moe tropes in the "back then" part with 2) lighter colour palette and 3) simpler and sketchier drawing. The point of that post was to show the absurdity of cherry picking anyway, which has been done several times in this thread including the OP. Exactly my point. It was more of a cherry picking by picking 'girly' looking shows from the old days, and the 'mananime' shows(although Jojo would be a better choice, but I didn't make that picture) that have recently aired. |
nekovision said: Anyway. Anime company need to go back to this kind of badass-ness. [img]http://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/15/64621.jpg[img] That won't even fit in a lot of genre's. By the way, its not the anime companies that design the characters most of time(unless its anime original). Its the author of the original source who does. Sure, they might change a few things, but they won't do a complete overhaul of how the character looks(most of the time, anyway). |
rederoinJan 17, 2013 4:33 PM
| the art style in general has definitely changed since then, Modern Characters have softer rounder faces since the 90's/80s. the thing that turns me off retro anime is the colour having that "washed out" look. |
| I would say that the quality of anime today is much better than back then tbh |
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| by "quality" do u mean style cuz thats completely opinionated. compared to the quality of something like dragonball we have definitly come a long way |
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nekovision said: 9988 said: Also the newer style fans say there so much "cherry picking" but aren't you dong the same? I could as well pick some good examples like GITS, Monster, Dennou Coil, Shugurui, xxxholic, Gurren Lagann, Macross Frontier, Gankutsuou and support extraordinarily well that the generic characters design are not true. Unfortunately most of the examples you mentioned (maybe with the exception of GITS, Monster) still look rather generic to me. Even Macross Frontier has turned into a annoying "Moe" show with cute girls where nothing like original SDF Macross, and male lead look like a "woman" and I absolutely can't stand :( Anyway. Anime company need to go back to this kind of badass-ness. Cannot say I dont agree with you. There is a reason why being the big macross fan I am, I have Macross 7 and Nekki basara in my fav anime/avatar, so yea, Macross F gave in to the moe trends, I was not happy wirh Ranka Lee and with it, but the moe elements were not as intrusive and the series as a whole was excellent. Art style alone I prefer it in this order Macross 7 > Macross > Macross Zero > Macross F. Still macross F art style was distinctive enough for me considering the current state of things (imo) -and the series I mentioned- considering highly stylized art style is over, a trait of the 80s to specifically address DBZ. In case of Gurren lagann, well, modern looking, but artistically was excellent, except for the controversial ep that changed the art style, the whole things is a big homenage to the 80s and -again- the highly stylized art from the 80s. Clamp art style is very distinctive as well if you ask me. My point was not give the best examples of unique non generic art style but that on the "cherry picking" statements, that any side can easily cherry pick individual series to prove the point, but I have yet to find anyone that pick up the challenge of actually showing us the generic designs of older series that a couple mentioned here. I would like to see the lookalike of Goku, Harlock, Basara, vegeta, Luffy, Minami asakura (no star sstem does not count), Ta-cchan, Oscar, etc, because if I or anyone else wanted we can easily show you the look alikes and similar vibes of characters like kyon, oreki, haru (tonari no kaibutsu - yet a loved it), Hoshima (aikatsu), clannad girs, sao girls - asuna, yui, kazuto (already done here), etc. Which is the main point us that prefer older style put emphasizes on, not vibrant colors or more "beautiful" designs (vs "ugly of older") etc, for us older loved surey go even befond superficialities, probably as some mentioned, characters´ strong personalities that make them stand out. |
9988Jan 17, 2013 6:02 PM
9988 said: Older anime is indeed more rough and less polished, frames per second were less, palettes were not as vibrant and rich but they all -most at least- had very distinctive qualities, plus anime was hand drawn, doing that way it was impossible to have much similarities in designs. Today as anime is computerized, artists keep on using the same models with some little differences here and there, eye color, hair color, etc, so even when the can look different, for some yes the look the same. Skip to 4:18. I really hope people stop using the "old anime looks better because it was hand drawn" because it still is. Back then people would draw on paper then trace it onto cels, today they scan the drawings then trace and color with a program. Anime still uses traditional animation, where the drawing (or parts of it) are drawn and redrawn by hand. It's silly to use the term frames per second because anime has always been shot at 24 fps. Most of the anime today are as jerky as ever because they are still mostly done on 2s,3s or 4s, they just have more actual movement. Smoothness isn't all there is to good animation. Stuff like SAO and Working! or Tamako Market and K-On! looking similar can be attributed to the shows having the same character designer. You even have stuff like Sora no Woto whose character designer is a fan of K-On's character designer and Toriko which seems to be influenced by older battle shounen titles. The point here is that it mostly has to do with trends and how these artists influence each other rather than the technology used, which hasn't changed much really. |
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Trisection said: Stuff like SAO and Working! or Tamako Market and K-On! looking similar can be attributed to the shows having the same character designer. You even have stuff like Sora no Woto whose character designer is a fan of K-On's character designer and Toriko which seems to be influenced by older battle shounen titles. The point here is that it mostly has to do with trends and how these artists influence each other rather than the technology used, which hasn't changed much really. Is not as easy and superficial as that, we simply dont understand each other, we can always take your words as absolute truth, then we can easily tell you for us (old anime lovers) that then many of today series have the same designer. DO you get what we come at? We can take your words and then say all designer have the same styel, distinctive styles of authors is over, you can argue designers simply adapt to the current styles and hence look similar, but I can easily tell you then why in the past in any era authors and designers have extremely distinctive art style even when in each era there were specific trends like there are today? Which is the main point us that prefer older style put emphasizes on, not vibrant colors or more "beautiful" designs (vs "ugly of older") etc, for us older anime lovers surely go even beyond superficialities, probably as some mentioned, characters´ strong personalities that make them stand out. Probably this explain a little more, not only charactres look the same in our correct or incorrect perspective but act and fell the same, bland a devoid of "personality". Which of course dont mean its the same for all anime, but this is the case again in my correct or incorrect perspective in the anime trends that dominate todays anime market and production. BTW anime is no longer hand drawn and does not bother me spoeciffically, what I dont like its the technology and computerization is used to mass produce generic looking visuals, reduce costs and work, which ultimately for me is what generates bland characterless. I can think of many examples of fantastic use of new techonoly and computer drawn and created characters, as well as correct modernization of old disticntive art styles = Jojo | Cross Game | Lupin 2012 | GITS 1995 --> GITS SAC | EVA 90s --> Rebuild of EVA | to name a few. |
9988Jan 17, 2013 6:23 PM
| I personally don't like 'classic animation' probably because I wasn't around then but still. I think it's unfair to say all anime is based on moe, because I've seen messed up stuff for example: |
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MEanimaniac1 said: I personally don't like 'classic animation' probably because I wasn't around then but still. I think it's unfair to say all anime is based on moe, because I've seen messed up stuff for example: .... I took you seriously til the second spoiler image |
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| Well, it’s like saying that Claude Monet is better than Picasso. I’ve only read some posts but as it has been said it’s very subjective. It all depends on your taste. In fact, those old images you posted seem too heavy for my taste. “Conan, the future boy” is also old and it’s very simple too. It doesn’t have the level of detail of those old pictures. |
9988 said: Art style alone I prefer it in this order Macross 7 > Macross > Macross Zero > Macross F I really love the original art style of Macross from the 80s and 90s. I think both SDF Macross and Macross 7 were designed by Haruhiko Mikimoto. Who was consider a lengendary designer at that time. He also did the design for Megazone 23 which I notice OP had post a picture of Eve. Megazone 23 was a truely epic sci-fi anime and one of my friend owns a DVD copy. Hell. this Mikimoto guy sure know how to draw detail and beautiful characters.  Another similar art style in term of such detail is City Hunter by Hojo Tsukasa  Yes. I'm probably the only younger anime fan who still love old anime. I think more people should appreciate some of the great old classics instead of calling them "ugly". Anyway, I prefer old time of anime where guys look "manly" and girls look like beautiful women. And I also notice OP was biased by cherry picking "ovas" and "movies" from the 90s/80s. Yes, a lot of ovas made in the "cel-era" really have gorgeous artworks, but some tv series were another story. I'll use the original Gundam as an example. That serie is really full of bad quality episode and off model-ness.  Oh well... Keep in mind its a "TV" series though. And I'm not totally biased toward old times. Each era has its own good I guess. |
nekovisionJan 17, 2013 7:06 PM
jkun said: So you're saying that Deen, Pierrot and Gonzo have the same animation quality as KyoAni?SquadmemberRitsu said: srsly guise? wat da fuk happnd? the difference between now and then is that now 90% of new anime looks like clannad so much beta in this thread its unbelievable |
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SquadmemberRitsu said: jkun said: So you're saying that Deen, Pierrot and Gonzo have the same animation quality as KyoAni?SquadmemberRitsu said: srsly guise? wat da fuk happnd? the difference between now and then is that now 90% of new anime looks like clannad so much beta in this thread its unbelievable That's basically what he said. Like I said before, IF ONLY! 90% of anime actually havee the same animation and art quality as KyoAni... |
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| If you are talking about the animation then it actually improved but if it's the art style it depends on the person. |
  
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SquadmemberRitsu said: srsly guise? wat da fuk happnd? I NO RITEt? |
MitsukiHimeka said: If you are talking about the animation then it actually improved but if it's the art style it depends on the person. Animation smoothness of old anime is not a problem for me since I found out most of the ovas and movies made in the past have higher frame-rates and better movements than both of the old and new TV series and definitely on par with the high budget modern movies like Paprika and Girl Leap through time. Though some old TV shows have good artworks but the animation is really choppy. As for whether modern anime was still hand drawn debate. I'm no animation expert, so I can't make any correct analyses on them. But one thing can be sure for certain that there's less hand-work and more computer involved than before. By the way, I do have some modern shows I prefer. The list of non-generic series I've watched so far: - Mobirito Guardian of Spirit - Initial D - GITS tv sereis - One Piece - Paprika - Tatami Galaxy - Samurai Champloo - Shigurui Also: 9988 said: What anime on the top right with the girl her face cover in bloods? I really like the realistic art style. Is it from 80s/90s or modern? |
nekovisionJan 19, 2013 4:40 AM
| It's from Perfect Blue, 1998. I haven't actually seen it, but I have seen Millennium Actress and Paprika by the same director, and they are both excellent. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
nekovision said: MitsukiHimeka said: If you are talking about the animation then it actually improved but if it's the art style it depends on the person. Animation smoothness of old anime is not a problem for me since I found out most of the ovas and movies made in the past have higher frame-rates and better movements than both of the old and new TV series and definitely on par with the high budget modern movies like Parika and Girl Leap through time. Though some old TV shows have good artworks but the animation is really choppy. As for whether modern anime was still hand drawn debate. I'm no animation expert, so I can't make any correct analyses on them. But one thing can be sure for certain that there's less hand-work and more computer involved than before. By the why, I do have some modern shows I prefer. The list of non-generic series I've watched so far: - Mobirito Guardian of Spirit - Initial D - GITS tv sereis - One Piece - Parika - Tatami Galaxy - Samurai Champoo - Shigurui Also: 9988 said: What anime on the top right with the girl her face cover in bloods? I really like the realistic art style. Is it from 80s/90s or modern? out of of the shows you listed only around half of them are pst 2005 thus would be called by most round here old and hell the one ppice manga is 14 years old o that would = that iits old even tough its still ongoing |
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rederoin said: Animation has improved, this can't be denied. And animation will continue to improve. That just how it works. Animation has nothing to do with artstyle. Artstyle(what this thread is about), is subjective. No matter how you put it, your opinion is not better than somebody else's if its regarding arstyle. Also relevant. jal90 said: What is the point on talking about the overall quality of the shows mentioned by rederoin? Isn't it made clear that it is cherry picking? Therefore, using only the still images that are shown. Who cares if Sailor Moon has actually better animation or if Fate/Zero overuses CGI. What I see in the images is: 1) a prevalence of moe tropes in the "back then" part with 2) lighter colour palette and 3) simpler and sketchier drawing. The point of that post was to show the absurdity of cherry picking anyway, which has been done several times in this thread including the OP. Exactly my point. It was more of a cherry picking by picking 'girly' looking shows from the old days, and the 'mananime' shows(although Jojo would be a better choice, but I didn't make that picture) that have recently aired. on the other hand there isalot of people who bemoan over use of cgi in live action but when i meantiod it in anime i get moaned at aroued here double stadered much |
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| my dick still gets hard from both old and new so no problem with either style here |
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RLinksoul said: And now, a round of applause for the superior budget management skills of studios from the past.SquadmemberRitsu said: srsly guise? wat da fuk happnd? I NO RITEt? |
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9988 said: BTW anime is no longer hand drawn and does not bother me spoeciffically, what I dont like its the technology and computerization is used to mass produce generic looking visuals, reduce costs and work, which ultimately for me is what generates bland characterless. I can think of many examples of fantastic use of new techonoly and computer drawn and created characters, as well as correct modernization of old disticntive art styles = Jojo | Cross Game | Lupin 2012 | GITS 1995 --> GITS SAC | EVA 90s --> Rebuild of EVA | to name a few. Did you watch the video I linked? Anime is animated by hand on paper. This is the industry standard and it won't change anytime soon. |
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| Declined significantly compared to old classics? Hardly... This was posted by MagicFlier from another MAL thread. |
| That video does not help your case at all, imo. There were some nice looking ones, though. A Letter To Momo is far and away the best looking anime I watched this year. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| I beg to differ. At least this shows animation and not stills. This is for the year 2012 alone. The topic is the supposed decline of of the art quality compared to old classics. My answer is that it has not declined - on the contrary, it has improved; vastly improved. |
uneksia said: I really like old animation, it was so quality  But srsly. I like both arts. and in my opinion it's not that the quality has declined, is more like that's the kind of art that people nowadays like. And I personally think that not all modern art looks like the one in that picture. it has variety too. seven fingers with one sticking out of the middle of her palm. |
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| Nope for me, but it is pretty subjective. It's art after all |
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