Downgrade355 said: Friendlymatch said: Why is he a hero to people and why is that funny? Oh, of course, because he's targeting something women like. If a series or events mostly liked by guys were hit with dead threats, I doubt women on this site would weigh in with 'lol's. This even if it was purely about fanservice. We would just be disgusted. lol? What you talking about? I think you're in the wrong thread. wrong quote, wrong anime, and probably wrong site. and try to lay off the trolling. P,S hearing the word "disgusted" from a fujoshi is the definition of "irony", and please stop generalising, not every girl/woman on the internet/mal is a prude, intolerant rotten hypocrite. . I clearly meant that women would be disgusted if threats made against series for male fans, not with the fanservice itself. Read again and understanding might dawn. There's so much fanservice for guys that almost no female anime fan bats an eye anymore and I doubt that any but the most naive newcomer would be disgusted. On the other hand, you have people like you who 'lol' when dead threats are made against events for female fans. It's telling that you'd call a woman who might not like fanservice a "prude, intolerant rotten hypocrite.", but you think it's normal to 'lol' at the idea of someone making dead threats at doujinshi events aimed at women. |
| @Friendlywatch Do i look like i'm happy that this moron is sending threats to the mangaka and ruinning it for the fans? I don't tolerate such actions. i think you're misunderstanding something, i already posted here before my opinion that i'm against it, i just happened to come across some people today that seem delighted about this, and it's actually ridiculous. Also this threat isn't targeted at "doujinshi events aimed at women", it's a threat for the mangaka, and comiket (Which is for the general manga/anime fanbase), had to be cautious. |
Downgrade355 said: @Friendlywatch Do i look like i'm happy that this moron is sending threats to the mangaka and ruinning it for the fans? I don't tolerate such actions. i think you're misunderstanding something, i already posted here before my opinion that i'm against it, i just happened to come across some people today that seem delighted about this, and it's actually ridiculous. Also this threat isn't targeted at "doujinshi events aimed at women", it's a threat for the mangaka, and comiket (Which is for the general manga/anime fanbase), had to be cautious. Actually you seemed at least somewhat amused by the whole thing, since you wrote something meaning laughing out loud. It is a manga that is more popular amongst women and the threats are both aimed at the mangaka AND events where they sell doujinshi (which for this manga are for at least 90% aimed at women). At least some people (perhaps not you), seem to enjoy it because it hurts fujoshi. Some guys like to watch tons of fanservice themselves and would get very pissed if women would criticize this. However, they still think it's great fun to bash every kind of fanservice aimed at women. Some even to the extent that they enjoy it when death threats are made and doujinshi circles face huge losses. |
| This show inspires more terrorism than Innocence of Muslims. Don't forget to tip your servers. |
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| @Friendlymatch i'm amused at how they're delightful about this, i'm not amused because someone sent a threat to the mangaka. everyone has their preferences and i'm sure at least they have a valid reason to dislike something, but going as far as sending threats just doesn't seem right. as for KnB's doujinshi, i'm not exactly sure if the circles are at loss, there's this small event, called Comic city spark or whatever, from what i've seen it was mostly KnB, it's like they predicted this or something. as for the whole "fanservice" thing, KnB being a Shounen and aimed at little boys, there was no fanservice whatsoever, whatever type of fanservice it is you're talking about, there was none. unless of you're talking about KnB doujinshi, which are of course mostly BL or bishie stuff, which is something else. neontaster said: This show inspires more terrorism than Innocence of Muslims. Not cool dude, not cool. |
Downgrade355Dec 9, 2012 8:08 AM
| It's not cool to call the guy doing this a terrorist? Isn't that what he is? |
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neontaster said: It's not cool to call the guy doing this a terrorist? Isn't that what he is? Did you have to make fun of a religion though? |
Downgrade355 said: neontaster said: It's not cool to call the guy doing this a terrorist? Isn't that what he is? Did you have to make fun of a religion though? Did I? Innocence of Muslims inspired terrorism. So did this. I didn't realize that stating facts is insulting. |
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neontaster said: Downgrade355 said: neontaster said: It's not cool to call the guy doing this a terrorist? Isn't that what he is? Did you have to make fun of a religion though? Did I? Innocence of Muslims inspired terrorism. So did this. I didn't realize that stating facts is insulting. Because that totally isn't offensive to Muslims or anything. |
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RyanSaotome said: Because that totally isn't offensive to Muslims or anything. Enlighten me. What part of what I said is offensive to Muslims? Or am I not allowed to mention Innocence of Muslims at all? Can I mention antisemitic movies like Passion of the Christ? What about the Last Temptation of Christ? That's anti Christian. In fact, Fate/Zero has an antisemitic reference in it, so let's just delete its entire subsection from this message board. |
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| @neontaster are you talking about some sort of movie or something? how about you enlighten us please? we'd apperciate that. |
Downgrade355 said: @neontaster are you talking about some sort of movie or something? how about you enlighten us please? we'd apperciate that. Youve never heard of Innocence of Muslims? |
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Downgrade355 said: @neontaster are you talking about some sort of movie or something? how about you enlighten us please? we'd apperciate that. You really haven't heard about Innocence of Muslims and the riots that it triggered? It happened like 4 months ago and was a massive international story. |
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neontaster said: You really haven't heard about Innocence of Muslims and the riots that it triggered? It happened like 4 months ago and was a massive international story. I've heard of some sort of video or movie that offended muslims and started a crapstorm, is that what you were talking about? i think there's a misunderstanding here. |
Downgrade355 said: neontaster said: You really haven't heard about Innocence of Muslims and the riots that it triggered? It happened like 4 months ago and was a massive international story. I've heard of some sort of video or movie that offended muslims and started a crapstorm, is that what you were talking about? i think there's a misunderstanding here. Yes, that is what I was talking about. Never mind. I was just making a dumb joke. Forget it. |
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neontaster said: Yes, that is what I was talking about. Never mind. I was just making a dumb joke. Forget it. Then i'll have to apologize, i didn't know it's title, so i just assumed you were trying to make some anti-muslim joke or something. |
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Downgrade355 said: neontaster said: Yes, that is what I was talking about. Never mind. I was just making a dumb joke. Forget it. Then i'll have to apologize, i didn't know it's title, so i just assumed you were trying to make some anti-muslim joke or something. It's cool. I was actually trying to make fun of the idiot who is causing all this Kurobas mess. I don't even watch this show, but I'm angry for its fans. Sucks for them. |
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neontaster said: It's not cool to call the guy doing this a terrorist? Isn't that what he is? No, he's just a fucking idiot. |
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neontaster said: It's cool. I was actually trying to make fun of the idiot who is causing all this Kurobas mess. I don't even watch this show, but I'm angry for its fans. Sucks for them. Yeah. i heard he has a personal grudge against the mangaka. |
Madeline said: No, he's just a fucking idiot. That too. |
Madeline said: neontaster said: It's not cool to call the guy doing this a terrorist? Isn't that what he is? No, he's just a fucking idiot. True. I'm not trying to sensationalize the actions of some loser. I still think he's *technically* a terrorist because he's terrorizing people with his actions, so I stretched it a bit for the joke. |
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neontaster said: True. I'm not trying to sensationalize the actions of some loser. I still think he's *technically* a terrorist because he's terrorizing people with his actions, so I stretched it a bit for the joke. He's a bit of both lol. |
bippo said: Scope of booths that will be cancelled. Stay strong fujoshi!!! HOLY LORD THAT MUCH? Seriously? For this ONE guy so many booths are gonna be affected? Come on! -_- That's so sad! AND UNFAIR! |
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| I guess we'll never see season 2 now, thanks to that annoying brat. |
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| mother of booths. was expecting more for KnB though lol day 1's gonna be empty on that side q_q |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I guess we'll never see season 2 now, thanks to that annoying brat. Very unlikely we'll get a second season unless this fucker's caught. Though, if that "conversation" not made up, then he's gonna commit suicide by the end of the year and KnB's gonna get that second season. |
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| AGAIN? lol.... like the 50th time by now... |
| Jeez, talk about crazy haters taking it too far, ruining it for other people who just want to have fun. It's just a show, why so serious? |
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neontaster said: It is more like anti-orthodoxy Christian instead of anti-Christian. If anything, the film can be viewed as affirmatively Christian. What about the Last Temptation of Christ? That's anti Christian. bippo said: We need to view this in perspective. This is just one of a few BIG halls accommodating Comiket, so in terms of actual space the loss is quite a bit less than what this pic shows. It is still a lot of booths gone though (900) but proportion-wise it is perhaps between 10 to 15% of all the space dedicated to doujin in Comiket (that is, not counting the business booth area and event/cosplay space). Stilll A LOT though. Scope of booths that will be cancelled. Roloko said: This read like he is interviewing himself, and it is not a short interview. Apparently he thinks there is no need to hide his identity as he claims many people should know who he is by the information he gave. That means it is even more worrying that the police looks so clueless and helpless now. I can see why there are growing voices among Japan anime/manga fans that question the commitment and seriousness the police are dealing with the case besides asking everyone to stop holding fan event and business not to have new project related to KuroBas. Even the otaku who do not consider themselves friends of fujoshi or female fans are getting frustrated and concerned, even angry. found some more about this guy on tumblr this evening just thought I'd share it here. http://sukikatte.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/naver-matome-updated-1122-kuroko-no-basket-threats-roundup-of-the-posts-by-the-culprit-the-reaper-in-mourning/ |
symbvDec 9, 2012 6:35 PM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| wait so is that whole X just for KnB doujins??? thats a whole convention itself rite there TerrorH3ctor said: Poor fans. :( Where's L (Death Note) when you need him? Couldn't resist lightening the mood, sorry. actually, do we even know the dude's name? wouldn't work out anyway.. |
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Downgrade355 said: as for the whole "fanservice" thing, KnB being a Shounen and aimed at little boys, there was no fanservice whatsoever, whatever type of fanservice it is you're talking about, there was none. unless of you're talking about KnB doujinshi, which are of course mostly BL or bishie stuff, which is something else. Yeah, there was. If even just for guys when Momoi showed up in her bikini. And creators of series like this know very well that a large part of their fanbase consists of fujoshi. It's not for no reason that there's such a huge amount of booths in the women section just for this series. The mangaka and the anime-makers learned their lesson well from Prince of Tennis, which also did great business by first attracting fujoshi and then kept them happy with all kinds of suggestive merchandise. They can earn a lot more by targeting both fujoshi and sports anime fans at the same time. Japanese men in that industry are way less squimish and more pragmatic about that than guys in the US. For proof of this with this series, google the 'see you next week kuroko no basuke'. That is official stuff, not fanart. Just because you don't like it or don't want to see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I guess we'll never see season 2 now, thanks to that annoying brat. There will be a second season after the guy kills himself or gets caught cause I doubt Production I.G will let a cash cow this big slip out of their hands after giving it an great adaption. We will just have to wait a while until the police finishes the case which is I hope soon. I just hope and pray they won't release a statement that season 2 plans will be canceled indefinitely after all those huge sales in both home video and CD releases. |
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Oveneise said: Wait... what did this 'letter' say? Was it a threat? The letter was sent to Fujimaki's (the author's) former schools and contained a highly deadly .... sulfur-something (not really sure what it's called). The letter said that the attacks will continue until "this parody manga" gets stopped and that the culprit has a personal grudge against the author. |
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| Lol, the fan-girls are gonna put his head on a stick and dance around it if they ever learn his identity. -MgZ_ said: Bullshit. Why not just fucking ignore the fucking threat letters? ITS NOT LIKE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. You are just making the retarded sender happy with that action. The sender can't do shit except send threat letters so why not just ignore the threat letters? Fuck. This is Japan. Executives shaking in their pants over every little thing is an art form for them. |
Monad said: Lol, the fan-girls are gonna put his head on a stick and dance around it if they ever learn his identity. -MgZ_ said: Bullshit. Why not just fucking ignore the fucking threat letters? ITS NOT LIKE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. You are just making the retarded sender happy with that action. The sender can't do shit except send threat letters so why not just ignore the threat letters? Fuck. This is Japan. Executives shaking in their pants over every little thing is an art form for them. In addition, a very dangerous substance was sent with the letters. How are they supposed to ignore when it's gone that far (which is pretty stupid as this "terrorist" is not making any sense whatsoever)? |
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| @FriendlyMatch You seem to be forgetting the fact that the fujoshi are a niche market group and a small minority, which results in you being misinformed, which in turn results in you posting some stuff i won't bother writing a whole paragraph to explain how misinformed you are. |
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Downgrade355 said: @FriendlyMatch You seem to be forgetting the fact that the fujoshi are a niche market group and a small minority, A niche market group... with 900 booths at a convention with doujinshi for just one series. From what I gathered here is that this was in a so-called female section. Would be interesting to know how many booths were dedicated to Kuroko no Basuke in the non-female section. Clearly fujoshi are dedicated fans. Dedicated fans are the kind who also spend money on official stuff like bromides, posters, wallets, DVD's etc. Added to this is that these women often have their own money to spend and don't have to beg parents for an allowance. This is a group that anime creators have been aware of for a long time and add lots to their revenue. Prince of Tennis brought this to new heights. Google Prince of Tennis fanservice and you'll find abundant proof that they tried to attract fujoshi amongst official stuff. Downgrade355 said: @FriendlyMatch which in turn results in you posting some stuff i won't bother writing a whole paragraph to explain how misinformed you are. Which makes it seem you don't know what to say. You seemed reasonable for a few posts, but this makes me rather lose respect for your arguments. |
| @Friendlymatch You just voided yourself of any ounce of credibility with that "female/non-female section" statement. 900 booths for an event as big as comiket, and for an anime that has the most fujoshi fanbase, is still small, especially if you put in mind all 3 days of comiket. Fujoshi are dedicated fans, that's obvious, that's why people call them "the vocal minority", they're the minority, but they're vocal. So yes, they're a niche market group, the fact that there are a small handful of shows aimed at fujoshi just proves that, the producers/studio/anime industry know that, they're in the industry, they know their stuff, that's why you don't see fujoshi shows often. i can give you more examples though, just ask. Commercial producs are not the same as Fanarts and fan-made stuff. Touhou isn't even an anime (It's actually a doujin-game) and it's still to this day dominating Comiket, yet most people don't even know what Touhou is or don't even care. This conversation is going off-topic, i don't know what you're trying to say or what point you're trying to prove, since you keep talking about irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with the original subject, but try at least to make it a bit relevant. P,S you might want to take a look at those Doujinshi sites such as Toranoana, Dlsite, etc, i'm sure that'll change your view on things and make you a bit less of a fangirl-ish when you argue with people about such subjects. |
Downgrade355Dec 10, 2012 6:20 AM
Downgrade355 said: The number of days is irrelevant, as 900 booths is 900 booths for 3 days. I am not sure your definition of "small" but in terms of popularity of the titles KuroBas is the THIRD MOST POPULAR titles in Comiket (in terms of dedicated booths). You seem to want to use "small" and "niche" when viewed in the bigger picture of the mainstream world, but I think Friendlymatch is not talking about in terms of the broad mainstream consumers but within the doujin and Comiket world. To me Friendlymatch actually made quite a few good points and observations, so you saying him talking "irrelevant" is puzzling. However, I would say that Friendlymatch should try to avoid mixing fujoshi and female fans. Fujoshi is the word for female fans who are into BL and, truth to be told, fujoshi actually forms a minority of the whole female fan base, even in manga/anime like KuroBas, Uta-Prince or Hetalia. Most female fans just like the ikemen smart and handsome guys without necessarily loving BL (boys' love). I advise caution when the word "fujoshi' is used. That said, it is also true that in doujin world, the presence of fujoshi with their BL doujin is much bigger. Non-BL loving female fans seem to go for the merchandise and song albums more than doujin.900 booths for an event as big as comiket, and for an anime that has the most fujoshi fanbase, is still small, especially if you put in mind all 3 days of comiket. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @symbv Dedicated booths don't equal the amount of doujins/goods, the consumers, and the sales. so saying it's the third popular because it takes like 10% of comiket's booths isn't really convincing. friendlymatch is implying that the fujoshi fanbase is some kind of large tribe or something. Fujoshi are the minority even in day 1 of comiket. people often see many doujins for some series that has a fujoshi fanbase and start assuming that they're going to take over comiket or the anime industry or something. and yea people should try using the term fujoshi correctly, very few people nowadays know how to distinguish between female fans and fujoshi, i mean c'mon symbv, how many times we came across the "Oh alot of girls watch it, must be for fujoshi/it's BL bait" BS? i'm expecting normal female fans to snap at this crap one day. |
Downgrade355 said: I think it is convincing enough that it is not as "small" as you said for KuroBas, at least from my perspective of how important KuroBas is in doujin and Comiket world. Unless you provide other statistics to show that KuroBas is "small" in doujin and Comiket, I would say that the reference of how much of Comiket is made up of KuroBas doujin stuff is a useful indicator of how big it is. @symbv Dedicated booths don't equal the amount of doujins/goods, the consumers, and the sales. so saying it's the third popular because it takes like 10% of comiket's booths isn't really convincing. Downgrade355 said: If we are talking about Comiket then they are too small size, though I have a feeling that he mixes up fujoshi with the ordinary female fans. And if we talk about female fans in general, the size would be even bigger. friendlymatch is implying that the fujoshi fanbase is some kind of large tribe or something. Downgrade355 said: The problem is this mix-up is very widespread. Sometimes it is misunderstanding, but often it is from the male fans who look down upon or despise the female fans. They just use the term even they know its real meaning. And I see it often used in Japanese forums too. This is something really regrettable, but as long as the forums are dominated by male fans who talk faster than they want to think this situation may well continue, unfortunately.i mean c'mon symbv, how many times we came across the "Oh alot of girls watch it, must be for fujoshi/it's BL bait" BS? i'm expecting normal female fans to snap at this crap one day. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| @symbv KuroBas is big as in female-oriented circles big. If you were to do some maths concerning all 3 days, all circles, all anime, etc, all the female-oriented goods in there together would still be too small. they're more present in small events like CCS and such where pretty much only female fans and fujoshi attend. >"If we are talking about Comiket then they are too small size" That's the point. female fans (Normal female fans) generally make a very large amount of the industry, fujoshi however, are a small minority, or as i said before, a vocal minority. Yes it is, it's widespread and annoying and offensive to many people, specifically regular female fans, and it's either from those male fans who look down upon or despise the female fans (Which is mostly the result of the fujoshi behavior that annoys many people regardless of gender and preferences) like you said, or the fujoshi who try to make their presence known, we all have come across the "it has male characters, it must be for us kyaaa!!", "OMG DID U SEE THAT PICTURE AFTER THE ENDING?!?! THIS ANIME DEFINITELY FOR US", "OMGOMGOMG! (insert name of two male friends in anime) ARE SO CUTE AND THEY SO CLOSE" comments. So i think both are at fault. |
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