| I wanted to see Kira win :D However even the ending with his death was done brilliantly. And was a kind of heroic death with his last laugh at everybody and the shinigami wrote his name in his book, a wonderful ending with wonderful music :) |
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cyruz said: I get the feeling Hanyuu will be in my "list" of fave dark characters soon. Good point, that whole red eyed thing has yet to be shown in the actual anime, but in the opening she looks damn scary |
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| Light from Death Note, + Johan (monster) and Lelouch (Code Geass) they are the best dark anime characters to me |
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| Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass |
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| Kazuo Kiriyama from Battle Royal, mercilessly killing his classmates with neither hesitation nor regret. |
| Kira is very dark, but most dark is Chief of Kogan Ryu from Shigurui. He is totally psycho and weird. |
| my immediate thought was Dilandau from Escaflowne.. he'd be my favorite one at least. but then after putting more thought into it.. i'd have to say Johan Liebert from Monster. |
| i'm not sure i understand why so many people are into kira/light.. heh.. personally i thought he was extremely detestable and not cool at all. thank god the bastard died in the end. |
| CRAP i have to change my answer again because i thought of a better one.. Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter. final answer. |
| "thank god the bastard died in the end." grrr... because the anime was done beutifully, why didnt you like him? |
decayDec 10, 2007 6:31 AM
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decay said: "thank god the bastard died in the end." grrr... because the naime was done beutifully, why didnt you like him? haha sorry about that.. should've figured i would offend someone with that comment since so many people like his character.. and i do agree, the series was done beautifully.. but it seemed like they were trying way too hard to make his character cool.. i guess i just don't see what's so great about a guy who treats women like shit, uses anyone that cares about him, kills off people because of his deranged sense of justice.. and all of this with no back-story to back it up.. i mean, MAYBE i could understand what the big deal is if he had a good reason behind his fucked-up-edness.. the man has nothing though.. nothing bad happened to him to make him that way.. it's just.. boring to me i guess.. he's just a sonofabitch with nothing appealing going for him.. cruelty alone isn't enough to make me like a character i guess.. not dynamic enough.. heh.. but yea-sorry to offend=/ |
| No offence taken. :) Well yeah he did treat others like tools, but everyone strives for their own justice which might not be appealing to others. Nothing had to happen for him to become like this, seeing the world was enough. And don,t you think that he was more coldhearted towards humanity, as he saw them rotten, than just cruel. |
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| I have to disagree Decay. Light's main problem wasn't that he was coldhearted or callous. As a character Light represents some of the worst parts of humanity. Firstly, he is a complete coward. If he had any backbone whatsoever, then he wouldn't have felt the need to hide his sins behind spurious logic (in other words, saying the world was rotten - it's a cop out with no justification). He also wouldn't have needed the death note in the first place if he wasn't a coward. Secondly, he is a bully. Only a true coward like Light can develop into a bully when they have just a sniff of power. Light suffers from a massive inferiority complex. His tendency towards self justification/gratification simply highlights the fact that he loves stroking his own...........ego :) Light's tendency towards bullying is highlighted in his attitude towards women, and by his use of the death note. Did anyone else notice that all the people he killed with the death note intially, were people he wouldn't have stood a chance against any other way? Thirdly, he has a god complex. He actually makes a statement to the effect of being god of his new world. The irony is that Light's inferiority complex can sometimes look like a superiority complex. I'm surprised that so many people list Light as their favourite dark character as there is nothing dark about him. He is simply a whiny little brat who thinks he knows whats best for the world. He thinks that by using the death note, he isn't actually murdering anyone, so there is no blood on his hands. decay said: No offence taken. :) Well yeah he did treat others like tools, but everyone strives for their own justice which might not be appealing to others. Nothing had to happen for him to become like this, seeing the world was enough. And don,t you think that he was more coldhearted towards humanity, as he saw them rotten, than just cruel. Everyone doesn't strive for their own justice thankfully, otherwise we would live in a perpetual stat of anarchy. You say nothing had to happen to Light for him to be like this. Then he is effectively the same as Hitler, Idi Amin, Genghis Khan, Charles Manson, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, etc. If he was fully aware of what he was doing then he deserved to die in the worst possible way, and burn in the deepest pit in hell. Light is one of the worst realised character to have appeared in anime for a long time. He ranks alongside Ikari Shinji and Makoto from School Days on the "Most wanted to have never been created" meter. The sad part is that the creators of the show had a real opportunity to make a character that could really be memorable in all the right ways. Instead they created a character that you just want to kill. Nice one guys. Death Note: Good story + bullshit characters = mediocre at best. Light was intended to be the epitome of cool. Instead he turned out to be the epitome of suckiness. Light sucks so bad he blows. I'm not sure why anyone would like a character like Light. Hopefully it will be a long time before I see another character like him. |
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| Archaeon, I'm not sure I follow what you're saying about Light being a coward. Spurious logic or not, if Light honestly believed the world was rotten (Ryuuk shared this opinion btw) then I don't know if I would say he hid behind this view. To me, a coward is someone who backs down from challenges. Someone who has a dream or desire, but is unwilling to give of himself to achieve. By deciding to set out on his mission to purge the world, he was placing himself at risk for destruction. The Death Note is nothing more than a tool similar to a gun or a knife. Just as a gun is more efficient than a knife, the Death Note is more efficient than a gun. The tool you use doesn't change the fact that you are planning to kill people, it just makes you more likely to succeed. If you mean to say that a person who has to use a gun or a Death Note to kill rather than his bare hands or a knife, then I can see your point. But when your goal is to eliminate thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of the unworthy, a man of intelligence like Light would be willing to forsake bravado for efficiency. As far as being a bully, it would depend on your definition I guess. To me a bully is someone who is unwilling to accept the weakness in himself, so he projects that weakness onto other people. This way he can lash out against that weakness without having to actually come face to face with it. I didn't really get this feeling from Light. He doesn't seem to come from an authoritarian household. His parents' love doesn't seem to be conditional to his success. He has a very well developed sense of self-esteem. Though he is already in high school by the time we meet him so there's no telling. It's possible he has a superiority complex. It is hard to say when it happened. In the beginning he may have merely seen himself as a capable vehicle to bring an end to society's stagnation. The Light we see at different times of the series is obviously different from the Kira he becomes. I agree that Shinji from Evangelion is probably one of the most disliked characters I can think of. He's such a pathetic sack of garbage and I remember being so pissed at different points of the series. But I wonder if Eva would have been as successful with any different main character. For many people, his complete incompetence and weakness may have been the hook that kept them watching :)) |
BlackMagic said: Archaeon, I'm not sure I follow what you're saying about Light being a coward. Spurious logic or not, if Light honestly believed the world was rotten (Ryuuk shared this opinion btw) then I don't know if I would say he hid behind this view. To me, a coward is someone who backs down from challenges. Someone who has a dream or desire, but is unwilling to give of himself to achieve. By deciding to set out on his mission to purge the world, he was placing himself at risk for destruction. The Death Note is nothing more than a tool similar to a gun or a knife. Just as a gun is more efficient than a knife, the Death Note is more efficient than a gun. The tool you use doesn't change the fact that you are planning to kill people, it just makes you more likely to succeed. If you mean to say that a person who has to use a gun or a Death Note to kill rather than his bare hands or a knife, then I can see your point. But when your goal is to eliminate thousands and possibly hundreds of thousands of the unworthy, a man of intelligence like Light would be willing to forsake bravado for efficiency. As far as being a bully, it would depend on your definition I guess. To me a bully is someone who is unwilling to accept the weakness in himself, so he projects that weakness onto other people. This way he can lash out against that weakness without having to actually come face to face with it. I didn't really get this feeling from Light. He doesn't seem to come from an authoritarian household. His parents' love doesn't seem to be conditional to his success. He has a very well developed sense of self-esteem. Though he is already in high school by the time we meet him so there's no telling. It's possible he has a superiority complex. It is hard to say when it happened. In the beginning he may have merely seen himself as a capable vehicle to bring an end to society's stagnation. The Light we see at different times of the series is obviously different from the Kira he becomes. I agree that Shinji from Evangelion is probably one of the most disliked characters I can think of. He's such a pathetic sack of garbage and I remember being so pissed at different points of the series. But I wonder if Eva would have been as successful with any different main character. For many people, his complete incompetence and weakness may have been the hook that kept them watching :)) The cowardice point with regards to Light is purely from the perspective that he had taken on the role of judge and jury himself. His superiority complex shows from the fact that he does not consult with anyone when he starts killing people using the Death Note. In his role as judge/jury/executioner, his use of the Death Note shows his cowardice because he won't look his victims in the eye and tell them why he's condemning them. The reason I likened him to Hitler et al, is because they effectively did the same thing. If Light had the will, the desire, the courage to change the world, then he wouldn't have needed the death note. All he did was take the path of the dictator, which stems not from a dream of something good, but because they believe they are better than everyone else. His cowardice stems from the fact that he refuses to compare himself with other lowly humans because he's afraid he'll find fault with himself. When he started using the death note, Light didn't think about the consequences of his actions. Just like Ed in FMA, he's obsessed with his own view of how the world should be, and instead of trying to fix himself he tries to force the rest of the world to accept his viewpoint (with him in charge obviously), rather than looking at himself and listening to other peoples views. Most of the things Light does are based in cowardice and fear, not from a desire to help. If he was truly a man of intelligence as you say, then he would have realised very quickly that the rest of humanity frowns on genocide, no matter how much the person responsible tries to justify it. Another reason why Light is a coward is because he refuses to let other wiser, more experienced people, first deal with those he kills. His lack of mistrust is based on his inferiority complex (which sometimes comes off as a superiority complex), and because he's scared that someone out there may actually have a better idea for the world than his (heaven forbid). Yes, he's from a loving, no-pressure family environment, but because of that he has no justification for his actions. It's easy to say "I'm doing this for the greater good", yet the people who say such things before commiting atrocities are usually mentally unstable egomaniacs, megalomaniacs, cowards who don't want to find a better way, or just plain evil. As for EVA, if Shinji's character had been dumbed down, and the other characters enhanced, then it would have been a great show. As it is, it's simply mediocre. |
ArchaeonDec 10, 2007 7:59 PM
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| DAMN.. haha dude I WIN for starting a fiery discussion on ethics.. well.. i guess Archaeon pretty much takes the win for that one.. and also, i 100% agree with the guy.. i won't restate what he said because, well.. too many words, i'd probably choke on them. except i didn't mind shinji's character.. maybe the kid had too much screen time so people put the pressure on him to be a hero when he was really just an average kid.. but yea.. loved that series, so no complaints really.. |
| I would definetly disagree with Archaeon, as everyone gives themself the part of judge and jury even you did by stating your opinion. And i think he really had a superiority complexe not vice versa and in anime he is shown ecpecially and lot more intellingent than others. Thus he uses other people, because he knows how and he got a way how to fufil his beliefs. And his desire was to help himself as is everyone's of us. And it is absolutely correst to say that you're doing sth for greater good because Yagami was doing it for his own greter good. Also you judge only Light because he's the main character and mostly his thinking is shown while the thaughts of the "good guys" are put aside except for the "Kira is soooo evil..." one. |
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| I'll agree that it seems cowardly to not to confront someone and tell them why he is condemning them. If he only planned to kill a handful of people then I would be 100% in agreement. However, when planning to kill thousands of people I don't think you can realistically expect him to confront every one...it would simply take way too much time. I still have to disagree when you say Light shouldn't have needed the Death Note if he had the will, courage, and desire to change the world. If someone wanted to be the next Mr. Universe, would you condemn him for using state of the art Bowflex equipment? Would you say that if the guy had the will, courage, and desire to truly be Mr. Universe then he should have just stayed out in the shed doing chin ups and curling cinderblocks? The Death Note, like a Bowflex machine is a tool designed to speed up the process. It still takes determination and desire to get the end result, the only thing that changes is the timeline. You mentioned that Light, being a man of intelligence, should have known that humanity frowns on genocide. I agree and I think Light would agree as well. But then it's just a judgement call. Since when has mankind's "frowning upon genocide" stopped it from happening? If the goal is great enough, then sooner or later someone will come along who is willing to do whatever it takes to get there. I really can't see the inferiority complex rooted in superiority complex thing coming from Light. The fact that society was so stagnant and the world so rotten (from Light's point of view) would imply that there are no new ideas out there. The most brilliant minds out there besides Light were people who merely used their abilities to try to catch Kira rather than move society forward with new advances. The fact that the Death Note appeared before Light might have seemed like Fate or Divine Intervention (which it kinda was). If that is the case then Light, being chosen by Fate, must the the ideal person for the job. |
decay said: I would definetly disagree with Archaeon, as everyone gives themself the part of judge and jury even you did by stating your opinion. And i think he really had a superiority complexe not vice versa and in anime he is shown ecpecially and lot more intellingent than others. Thus he uses other people, because he knows how and he got a way how to fufil his beliefs. And his desire was to help himself as is everyone's of us. And it is absolutely correst to say that you're doing sth for greater good because Yagami was doing it for his own greter good. Also you judge only Light because he's the main character and mostly his thinking is shown while the thaughts of the "good guys" are put aside except for the "Kira is soooo evil..." one. You're right about everyone playing judge and jury by stating their opinions, but where your argument fails is because most people just state their opinion. They don't go out and kill people. Also, saying that Light is more intelligent than others. How so? Isn't it simply his opinion that he is better than others? Was any proof ever given that, aside from academic achievement, Light was more intelligent than everyone else? Academic achievement does not equal intelligence. Yes, Light has a logic mind. Let's exercise logic then. We find a way to kill lots of "bad" people in an efficient way, and we think this will allow society to grow. We believe we are completely selfless. Now lets look at what Light says in the very first episode of the show. This is part of his conversation with Ryuk: Light: If you don't write the cause of death the victim dies of a heart attack. That's the best thing about the death note Ryuk. Ryuk: Huh? Light: I've already begun to exhaust the list of high profile criminals, and I'm gradually starting to include those who commit less serious crimes. Ryuk: And what does that achieve? Light: No matter how stupid people are, they'll eventually realise that someone is wiping out these criminals. I'm going to let the world know of my existence. That there's someone who will pass righteous judgement! Ryuk: But what do you plan to achieve by passing this "righteous judgement"? Why bother? Light: Because... I'm also bored. Of course, at first I didn't believe it, but that notebook has a kind of magic that compels humans to try it at least once. Cut to the flashback and Light convincing himself that he is the only one who has the will, nay, even the right, to carry out his plan. He touches lightly on thepossible consequences, but he now has the power of life and death. In other words, he's touched the realm of god. Light: Eventually no one will be able to commit a crime. Then, behind the fact that deserving criminals are dying of heart attacks, I'll gradually start killing off those who cause problems for innocent people, through illness and accidental death. This way it's certain the world will become a better place. Then, I'll have created a world filled with those I've judged to be kind and hard-working. Ryuk: If you do that then you'll be the only fucked up person left. Light: What do you mean Ryuk? I'm probably the most virtuous student in the country. And then... I'll become the God of my new world! Let's examine that conversation by logic shall we? It pretty much covers everything I've said about light. The problem is people always forget what characters are like at the start of the stroy. Light suffers from delusions of grandeur. That he's the most virtuous student gives him the right to play god? Light admits it to Ryuk that he only started using the Death Note because he was bored. Lights main problem is that his life has been too easy, and like some people who have had easy childhoods, he suffers from various personal issues, the most prominent of which is his inferiority complex. How do I prove that he has that complex and not a superiority one? Light knows that he's never really been challenged or pushed to his limits. He knows that there will be other, less well to do students, who must work to make ends meet, or have other obligations, but who are actually far more intelligent than he is, the problem is they can't study enough to show how good they really are. He also knows that there are people better suited than he is for the death note. His inferiority complex also shines through because of his statement "I'm going to let the world know of my existence!" Why? If Light is such a good and selfless person (as many of you claim), then why does he want the world to acknowledge him? A good person never asks for acknowledgement, or thanks, or what you can do for them in return. Selfish people do that (amongst others). Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, all good people who changed the world - and not one of them did it for fame, or thanks,or for any other selfish reason. They did it because they actually cared about people. Light doesn't care about people (something which he proves time and again throughout the entire series). He passes off his so-called selfless actions, and gives a nice little sugar coating of selflessness. But that's all it is, a sugar coating and sweet words. Light is selfish. His statement "I'll become God of my new world!", proves it. Why him? Why not someone else? See, what everyone has forgotten with this show is that Ryuk was bored so he dropped the Death Note in a place a person who suited his needs would find it. He wanted someone... evil. Kira was evil, but no more so than Light. At least Kira was openly evil, and didn't try to hide it behind that sugar coating. Maybe I am playing judge and jury here with regards to Light, but at least I'm not playing god. The creators had a chance to make an astonishing character, given the premise of the show. Instead they made a whiny selfish brat with a massive inferiority complex, and they gave him the power of life and death. Ryuk knows what Light is really, and he knows that all of Light's self justification is a blatant lie. Fate didn't choose Light, Ryuk did. The most brilliant minds out there tried to catch Kira, but what were they doing before then? The story doesn't really go into detail about what these "better" minds were doing before they had to try and catch Kira. It's possible that some of them were trying to move society forward, in which case Light wasn't necessary - so what then wouldbe his justification for mass murder (he'd come up with something that sounded plausible). Strip the character of all the sugar coating and sweet words, and look at them for what they really are. You'll see Light exactly how Ryuk saw him. An evil, selfish, impotent brat. Perfect for relieving Ryuk's boredom. |
ArchaeonDec 11, 2007 2:08 PM
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| The only problem I have with your points is the inferiority complex you keep bringing up. I'm not trying to say Light wasn't selfish because he was. I don't know that he was trying to make the world into a utopia for the good of all mankind. I think he was going to mold the world into what HE considered a utopia and that a side effect would be that most of the common people would benefit from this. If light were actually a nice guy then I don't think this would have been a very dark anime lol. I think you are putting a double standard on Light with the cowardice/inferiority complex thing. By using the Death Note, Light is a coward because he won't confront people to tell them why he is condemning them. By saying he is going to let the world know of his existence you say he has an inferiority complex. I think that letting the world know of Kira is Light's way of confronting all the people he is going to condemn. Really there is no other way to confront them before killing them without getting caught other than creating a figurehead for his mission. Kira serves as this figurehead and as a vehicle for his message. By letting people know the existence of Kira, I don't see this as Light overcompensating for being inferior. I see this as standing up and telling all the corrupt people that they are being watched and judged. There are key items that must be present for a deterrent effect: Swiftness, Severity, and Surety. If punishment is not swift, then the one being punished won't connect the dots between the crime and punishment. If the punishment is not severe then there is no reason not to do it again. If the punishment isn't sure to happen, then maybe it is worth the odds to try committing the crime. Nothing is swifter than the Death Note, more severe than the punishment it inflicts, or more sure than Kira's judgement. |
| ah jeez people.. calm yourselves.. it's only a fictional character.. heh=/ and BlackMagic.. i love your avatar<3.. american psycho, right? |
| As always Black Magic, you raise very good points :) I don't think saying that Light is a coward and has an inferiority complex is a double standard though. As you said, he uses Kira as a figurehead because he want's people to know someone is judging them. My question is why didn't he use himself? Yes, he doesn't want to get caught, but more importantly, by using Kira as the figurehead, he can continue being the "nice" guy. He's afraid that people will spurn him if they find out he is the one commiting mass murder. Cowardice tends to take many forms. In this case Light is a coward because he is afraid to confront people and tell them what he really thinks and believes. Hence his use of the death note and Kira. He has an inferiority complex because he wants the world to recognise his achievements, and how much better he is than everyone else. If he had a superiority complex then he wouldn't really care what the unwashed masses thought of him. Kira may serve as a figurehead and a vehicle for his message, but why didn't Light have the courage of his convictions? He says in the first episode that there will be consequences, but rather than accept them he creates a figurehead to divert attention away from him. Light wants to punish the wicked. The only problem is that the "wicked" aren't always wicked. Not everyone chooses to be a criminal. Light passes judgement on them though, regardless of personal history. He does this because he doesn't want to see anything, or hear anyone, who will tell him he is wrong. That's his inferiority complex at wotk. If he had a superiority complex then he'd act differently. Besides, Light is only interested in punishment, not justice. Justice would mean that children who had their parents murdered would have the right to use the death note. Justice would mean that the woman who was raped would have the right to use the death note. Their claims for justice are superceded by Light's belief he is god, and not once does he consider them. He makes a show of claiming to be on their side, but he won't let them use the death note. Maybe I'm looking at this wrong. It may be that Light does have a superiority complex, after all, he has the arrogance. It's just something about that doesn't ring true for me. And it still does justify his actions. Kira is nothing more than a mask used by a coward who runs from a confrontation. Don't get me wrong though. I can see exactly why Light appeals to certain people. It's just that I know people with similar personalities, and I can honestly say I wouldn't trust them with anything. Justice isn't interested in punishment or rehabilitation. Justice is only interested in making sure it doesn't happen again. Light's actions didn't lead to justice. |
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| Yup, American Psycho is one of my favorite movies and Christian Bale one of my favorite actors :)) I don't think we need to worry about this turning into a raging flame war. It's just that where Archaeon and I walk, novel-like threads follow lol. As to why Light didn't use himself as the figurehead...I think it's his selfishness. Look at what happens to many of the great figures who try to push innovation: Jesus, Martin Luther King Jr., or even the Dhali Llama. They put their ideas forward and were persecuted/killed/exiled. Not to compare Light's mission to Jesus or any of them, but just from the standpoint of a prominent figurehead of a belief. Light stated many times that he wanted to see his mission through to the end and even turned down the shinigami eyes since it would shorten his life. If he were truly concerned for the good of humanity, then he should have no problem making a martyr of himself. I think my problem with the inferiority complex issue is that you are basing a lot of it on his concern for how others think of him. Technically, pretty much everyone chooses their actions not just by their own thinking, but from how others will respond to the action. This is called the Looking-Glass Self and is similar to Freud's Superego. The Looking Glass Self theory states that people view themselves through the eyes of others and adjust their actions accordingly. There is nothing wrong with this and without it many people wouldn't get along very well. I think this only turns into an inferiority complex when you are afraid to let ANYONE dislike you. Since it is impossible to please everyone, this inhibits your ability to be yourself and basically turns you into a wishy-washy puppet subject to the whims of all those around you. I got the impression that Light viewed social interactions from more of an Economist perspective. Relationships are examined based on the rewards received versus the cost of maintaining the relationship. When looking at people from this perspective, certain relationships are more "profitable" than others and one would be more likely to exhibit caution in their interactions to avoid "rocking the boat" and possibly damaging the relationship. This would cause a loss of reward. This somewhat emotionless outlook on friendship and society in general could also then appear to be a superiority complex. When a person acts like they have no use for others, many might think that this guy believes himself superior and that's why he doesn't consider them worthy to talk to. The truth of the matter may be that he's viewing their relationships by their cost/reward ratio and the costs are too high or the rewards too low to bother maintaining the relationship. This is also a very easy way to explain selfish people since they have a higher standard for the cost/reward ratio in their relationships. |
| Interesting point you make there Black Magic. I think I'll ignore the inferiority/superiority bit and focus on the selfish aspect. You may be on to something there. Light's personality is similar to that of someone who sees people as nothing more than objects. I'll have a think about this a bit more and get back to you. My vote still don't change though. I still think Albedo from Xenosaga is the best dark character. There's a clip of him in my previous post on this topic,and his madness is truly awe inspiring. |
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| And here goes both of them again. blackmagic vs Archaeon. these guys are really something. As about light, blackmagic and archaeon have both agreed that he is selfish. for this matter i think that whats wrong with being selfish.by being selfish doesnt that mean that he cares less about other human beings and think highly and mighty of himself.As it sounds himself "god of the new world" doesn't that make a character darker. for various other characteristic he has obsession. the obsession to achieve his goal. the struggling for victory. not accepting defeat. and i beleive we have seen much of these when L cornered and suspected him tons of time. a more better example would be the last episode. He was never giving up. obsessed with his dream. finding one way or another. going for the win As for light being called a coward. i absolutely disagrees with this. in the first episode it self. he takes on the game with "L".takes him head one. sends various messages . (eg: the thing about death gods loving apples). i mean is that doesn't this shows that he really have the courage to do what he aims. starting off as a high schooler.killed a gang member first, without even a bit of guilt moreover he did not givie a damn shit about his fathers life a more dark characteristic of light is that he really does not care about the deaths of other human beings. which in simple term can be defined as "Cold hearted". and this is truly one of aspects that would be considered as the most important if we are to choose the darkest anime character. and as for other things he think himself as the good guy. he is playing as the good guy. his own justice. lets nothing stand in his way. cruel and treat others as tools for ultimate dream. As for my selection of the darkest anime characters "light" sure does come up at the top. and other would Alucard and the Vino (Rail tracer guy) from baccano.(he is one crazy dude). and as for more mentions i would like to add uchiha itachi for the famous massacre of his own clan. and his cold hearted personality. |
DarkFlashDec 13, 2007 1:31 AM
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| Truly dark stories are those where humans themselves are shown as worse than any creature you could name. That's why Death Note annoyed me a little. The concept was amazing, and Ryuk was a brilliant character. My gripe was that Light wasn't a strong enough lead and counterfoil to Ryuk, and this was mainly because Light's character was designed to appeal only in certain ways. Light's main character flaw was that, what looked to many people as strength of will, was actually a certain form of cowardice. Light's first victim with the Death Note was done of curiosity and boredom, not from any sense of justice. Once he'd killed his first victim he could have reacted in several ways - He could have felt remorse for killing someone, he could have had a "rush" from taking someone's life, he could have felt that he was untouchable as long as he had the death note, etc. The fact is that most people would be hard pressed to actually kill someone, especially as, in most cases, the victims would be right in front of you. Light, on the other hand, simply writes their names down and they're dead. He never sees their faces as they die, so they don't haunt him, and that's why he isn't concerned about humanity or the consequences of his actions to other people. He suspects there will be consequences, but when nothing happens to him he thinks there are none. You don't call yourself a "god" unless you're absolutely sure there's no comeback on you. Light is cold hearted in certain ways, but it's the cold heartedness of someone who is convinced that he knows what's best for everyone, and will stop at nothing to make everyone realise that he is the one with all the ideas. Light may be a great student, but who actually pays attention to him and his ideas? That would grate on a persons nerves. They have all these ideas about how society could work better and no ones listening to them. Sounds like an inferiority complex to me - but as Black Magic says, it could stem just from selfishness. Light's fear is that other people will make him realize that he isn't the best person to change the world, he wasn't picked by destiny, he isn't a hero, etc... The longer he doesn't confront people with what he really thinks and feels though, the longer he can escape reality and continue persuading himself that he will be the new god. People escape from reality all the time. That isn't the mark of cowardice though. The hallmark of Light's cowardice is that he is afraid to face the consequences, and his actions towards others serve to try and shift the blame to other people. "They deserved to die", "They were to blame", "They started it", etc. In the end, they're just excuses to kill people with no apparent consequences. It's a game in effect, like GTA. But ya know, I'm actually going to re-watch Death Note, because Black Magic made a good point about the selfishness. It may be that Light isn't a coward, but simply selfish in the extreme (which also explains a lot, and is a much simpler explanation than mine). I'll let you know what I think later :) |
| What a day! What a lovely Day! |
| So the suggestion up until now are: Rena from Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Lucy From Elfen Lied Lain Iwakura from Serial Experiments Lain Grim Reaper in Zombie loan Light from Death Note Lelouch from Code Geass Johan Liebert from Monster The Major from Hellsing Alucard from Hellsing Hollow Ichigo from Bleach Mion from Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Shion from Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Harry MacDowel from Gungrave Ladd Russo from Baccano Medicine Seller from Ayakashi Pino from Ergo Proxy Lil Mayer from Ergo Proxy Guts from Berserk Count D from Pet Shop of Horrors Diva from Blood+ Rail Tracer Baccano Albedo from Xenosaga Kazuo Kiriyama from Battle Royal Chief of Kogan Ryu from Shigurui Dilandau from Escaflowne Hisoka from Hunter x Hunter Uchiha Itachi from Naruto I still disagree with some of those like Shion or Lil Mayer 'cause they're not really dark in personality or just look a bit psycho or are involved with some dark stuff. If you too still disagree with some of the named characters feel free to start a discussion. As for Light: I'll add him to the poll 'cause he too is some kind of sick psycho but i'll add a note/link to this disscusion for those who want to vote for him. Else Light may win just because of all those people that watched Death Note, found it good and fell in love with Light. (well... that may happen either way... :stareup: ) By the way: Why didn't anyone suggest some of Narutaru's characters. I heared a friend talk about the sickness of that show, so there should be at least some dark characters. (or did they all get killed?) :D |
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| Why's Pino considered dark? |
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| i think that pretty most of the guy agree with Alucard. and i dont think hollow ichigo is a much of dark character. he just only pops out of ichigo and disappears. comparing to him others are more dark characterized. I also would like to know others opinion about Vino from baccano and Uchiha Itachi from naruto |
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| Nyucy. That's my personal name for Nyu and Lucy because I hate the name Lucy. |
| Usotsuki. |
| i think the darkest one is shin natsume (the older brother of aya), in tenjo tenge. it's a very unstable character :D but i agree for rena and mion in higurashi too ^^' (and of course lucy (or nyucy :p)) ... aaaa there are so many ! |
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| Guts I think, the perfect dark/powerful hero. It helps that Berserk is the absolute dark fantasy saga coming from Japan too :p |
 In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same. |
| I was just reading back a few pages quickly, and all I have to say is: LMAO! What is a forum with a Death Note debate eh? lol I have seen many, it will never end. The Kiras and the Ls will constantly say that their leader is the more superior one. We can thank Tsugumi Oba for creating such a debatable piece of work that will last for all time. HAha Anyways, I'd have to say that my favorite dark character is indeed Light Yagami. I have never seen a main character in all of anime/manga who is both evil and good at the same time. Not many stories take such a path. |
| One that seems to have fallen through the cracks is cute (but psycho) Anna Toudou from Anne Freaks. Now there's a cold-blooded killer if ever there was one. |
Gremlin's World - School Daze - The Comedies III |
| Gantz...he is the biggest asshole character ever! |
| has to be evil Shiki Tohno from tsukihime and melty blood |
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| Yagami Light gave me chills all the time ... he's a scary man, especially at the end |
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| XD so many to choose from but it has to be Hei from Draker than BLACK with Shibuya form Ghost Hunt close second! they're just so cool!! ^_^ |
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| lucy from elfen lied. and shion from higurashi no naku koro ni. <3 |
| I would go with Johan from Monster |
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| uummmm...light from death note, mion from higurashi, lucy from elfen lied, and saya from blood+ X3 |
| Lucy! "Are there more scary people inside?" *nods* "Where?" *points at policeman* "Huh--?" *head rips off* |
| Itachi Uchiha, Naruto Hollow Ichigo, Gin, Ulquiorra Bleach Aoshi Shinomori, Kenshina |
| Revy .. somehow i really like her characteristics which are like fuck it .. |
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