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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I am right now crying very hard for the end. I should have heeded the warnings about Kariya and the mother of Rin. It’s none other than the following,  TT_TT Kirei that SOB! I can't hate him but somehow there is this RAGE pileup at him for setting up Kariya. On the other hand I cannot express my happiness while it was there at the following,  F YOU Zouken! You deserved this shit for feeding that worm and other ones on Sakura. Her innocence and all felt like it got avenged more with this. I need to cool down. The ending is so shocking my hands are shaking a little from the trauma that was so powerful. I FAILED! I never though such powerful feelings came out for Rin’s mother. However she was always a innocent victim. Rin's mother TT_TT Now she has no parents left. About Aoi’s death and what leads up to it. There is nothing of more depressing in this episode and for that matter the worst possible sadness to have come as of this episode itself. The lost of a mother IS THE WORST SHIT! I can’t even stop the lingering feelings from piling up into a disgusting RAGE and destruction in terms of this event. The RAGE for the unfairness and shit Kirei makes Kariya go through this but the destruction is more towards Archer. GILGAMESH YOU COWARDS SHIT! In the spoiler That being said Kariya in the spoiler So what follows exactly? PAIN! One the means before anything happens after Aoi freaks out is in the spoiler I will leave it that. Despite the Saber/Rider amazing confrontation I cannot find the time now to write of comment on it. Aoi’s death is making me be like that. It’s so powerful that it seems what happened in the episode before is MEANINGLESS. I shall leave it at that with a possible edit later. BTW I leave a very dear Irisviel and Saber Stitches parts in the spoiler |
Yumekichi11May 26, 2012 9:29 AM
・・・。 gununu.... 4/5 7/10 |
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| Decent. So glad that team Waver (and rider) makes it through one more week. Glorious visuals during the skirmish. Otherwise much of the rest was kind of dull. Though I did like the Kariya happenings. Didnt understand the kirei kotomine and the older mage discussion nor what Gilgamesh was even planning with with him. The anime would be easier to follow and wrap my head around if it was more doing instead of talking so much. |
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The hunt is on! Saber trailing Rider's ass from the previous episode.  Waver: Hey Rider, how do we get back to town? Rider: Well, I guess we walk. Waver: Guess so. lololol Anyways great episode, especially the first half. I'm also sensing an Archer vs. Rider coming up soon. |
Stark700May 26, 2012 10:50 AM
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| Oh Kirei, you really loved watching Kariya suffer. Well, I don't care what happens to him to be honest, hopefully he will die soon. His intentions were noble but in that war, like Caster and Ryounuske, Berserker and Kariya were wild cards. It seems next week the final battles will start. |
| pity they didn't meet up with Caster/Ryunosuke. They would have a fun time being sadistic together. |
| That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements. That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too. And that's how they made Kerry find out about Kotomine. Less eventful than him putting two and two together in the Tohsaka place. It was fun seeing him torment Byakuya though. Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!" The conversation with Zouken was missing something but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN. Being Kariya is suffering. wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww That screaming was just...wow. Oh man, next episode's title. And that preview. |
belatkuroMay 26, 2012 10:02 AM
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| I have never liked Gilgamesh in f/sn and I saw a lot good comments about him f/z.. guess he's still a sadist bastard that only enjoys seeking entertainment Rider vs Gilgamesh for next episode(?) |
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| Both Rider and Saber were very epic. Who am I kidding? They are always epic. |
| So, Kirei finds a soulmate in Zouken, though it doesn't appear like he rejoices in this discovery, which is understandable. It seems not even Kirei is a match for a man sadistic enough to take pleasure in his own son's misfortune. Gilgamesh certainly brought it to the point with describing the current events as a play while pulling the strings behind the scenes. Kariya is a tragic hero at his finest: Misunderstood and mistreated until the end (?) killing the person he hold dearest. Once again it shows what a despicable being Gilgamesh is, reducing humans to mere tools for his entertainment and dismissing the tragedy unfolding before his very eyes as a poor first attempt of his servant, because that's what Kirei is in the end, just another pawn in the game. Which path will Kariya take from now on with both his nemesis and his love interest having met their demise? If he still can think rationally he will come to realize who the culprit is and will try to seek revenge. Then he and his servant would be on the same wavelenght at least. |
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belatkuro said: I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements. That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too. belatkuro said: Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!" The conversation with Zouken was missing something belatkuro said: Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN. |
Totentanz said: Which path will Kariya take from now on with both his nemesis and his love interest having met their demise? If he still can think rationally he will come to realize who the culprit is and will try to seek revenge. Then he and his servant would be on the same wavelenght at least. since there's isn't much time left till the end of the series, chances are he will be running in a self destruction mode til his demise......I really hope he can see lights at the very end, maybe in the form of a sign of gratitude from Sakura. He has already lost everything dear to him except her. |
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| The scene with Kariya-Aoi was my favorite part in the LN. I didn't like it so much here, though. First of all, a lot of the background info is ignored (Aoi and Kariya's relationship most importantly). Also, in the LN, Kariya chokes Aoi in a fit of madness, NOT INTENTIONALLY!! Once he realizes what he's doing he flips out and stops. I have no idea why the hell they made it seem like he was doing it intentionally here. It's also more obvious that Aoi is alive in the LN... Jeez, these guys at Ufotable must really hate Kariya. |
Yumekichi11 said: belatkuro said: I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements. That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too. belatkuro said: Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!" The conversation with Zouken was missing something belatkuro said: Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN. it was missing a lot.Actually they cut the most important thing.Probably this will be like the 11 ep of the first season. @LostHanyou True even Ryuunusuke had more screen time(and a happy ending looking at it from a very twisted angle) |
ssjokgMay 26, 2012 11:13 AM
| well, he did come to his senses later, so pretty sure it's out of pure madness. |
| HA. I told you it wasn't Rider who kidnapped Irisviel! Well, just... Kariya. I don't have much to say, but he flippin' snapped there! And honestly I feel so terrible for what he's gone through. It'd be hard retaining your mental state with all that crap that he had to deal with. And making Aoi come, that's just pure evil. What Kirei was saying about the wine, he's saying about doing evil - he's liking it. Ugh. Hate that guy with every fiber of my being. And Zouken, well, fuck him! Kirei and him should just go elope or something, on the grounds of their evilness. Oh, also agree that I do NOT want to see Rider and Waver go... I just can't imagine them dying. My heart would break. LAST THING: The animation during the motorcycle scene.... Man, I freaking drooled. A pile. |
ssjokg said: Yumekichi11 said: belatkuro said: I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements. That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too. belatkuro said: Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!" The conversation with Zouken was missing something belatkuro said: Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN. it was missing a lot.Actually they cut the most important thing.Probably this will be like the 11 ep of the first season. @LostHanyou True even Ryuunusuke had more screen time(and a happy ending looking at it from a very twisted angle) Maybe those talking scene will be shown later...at least I hope so. |
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itsvero said: HA. I told you it wasn't Rider who kidnapped Irisviel! Well, just... Kariya. I don't have much to say, but he flippin' snapped there! And honestly I feel so terrible for what he's gone through. It'd be hard retaining your mental state with all that crap that he had to deal with. And making Aoi come, that's just pure evil. What Kirei was saying about the wine, he's saying about doing evil - he's liking it. Ugh. Hate that guy with every fiber of my being. And Zouken, well, fuck him! Kirei and him should just go elope or something, on the grounds of their evilness. Oh, also agree that I do NOT want to see Rider and Waver go... I just can't imagine them dying. My heart would break. Yeah I hate Kirei too but I love the part in FSN where he |
ssjokgMay 26, 2012 11:33 AM
ssjokg said: So much win! WOW! Amazing speech.Yumekichi11 said: belatkuro said: I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements. That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too. belatkuro said: Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!" The conversation with Zouken was missing something belatkuro said: Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN. it was missing a lot.Actually they cut the most important thing.Probably this will be like the 11 ep of the first season. belatkuro said: So I see now. That makes more sense. I am wondering if that is only known to Zouken or other ones are aware of this. Clearly it's worrisome.@Yumekichi |
| Another great episode. The chariot was toasted. Excalibur is amazing! But I am glad that team Rider lives on to see another week. My favourite team by a long shot! Saber riding her super awesome invisible air modified bike was totally made of win. But I didn't recall the guy being tortured by Kiritsugu, did they show him some time during the first half of the series? Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. I knew all along that Aoi would die, because I already knew in FSN that both of Rin's parents had passed away by the time Rin became one of the most amazing tsundere ever, but to know she died at the hand of Kariya, I was left saddened to the point I wished I didn't see this episode. 4 more episodes to go and I see Shirou has been listed in the series cast list. I can now safely think the anime will end where FSN kick's off. |
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Yumekichi11 said: ]So I see now. That makes more sense. I am wondering if that is only known to Zouken or other ones are aware of this. Clearly it's worrisome. Looking at the actions of all the other Masters(expect for Caster's of course) they clearly dont. |
| Actually I believe there won't be any epic fights next episode. I might be wrong, but there simply won't be enough room for that. They will most probably just animate the whole of Act 15. I was confused myself about it, because of Archer's line in preview about "not holding back", but then I remembered |
shanimebib said: Another great episode. The chariot was toasted. Excalibur is amazing! But I am glad that team Rider lives on to see another week. My favourite team by a long shot! Saber riding her super awesome invisible air modified bike was totally made of win. But I didn't recall the guy being tortured by Kiritsugu, did they show him some time during the first half of the series? Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. I knew all along that Aoi would die, because I already knew in FSN that both of Rin's parents had passed away by the time Rin became one of the most amazing tsundere ever, but to know she died at the hand of Kariya, I was left saddened to the point I wished I didn't see this episode. 4 more episodes to go and I see Shirou has been listed in the series cast list. I can now safely think the anime will end where FSN kick's off. And that's why we say that FSN doesnt spoil FZ to the point you wont enjoy it. And I hope they dont show anything from FSN except for That guy is Byakuya,Kariya's brother and Shinji's father. |
| Saber's motorcycle scene was epic; but dang Kariya is freaken broken now; the only "good" in all of this is that it seems that Kiritsugu figured it out, or at least the majority of it, a Kiritsugu vs Kirei fight is inevitable; but a Archer vs Rider fight would be awesome first. |
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shanimebib said: Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. He Won't Die In This Series. As You Can See That He Easily Escaped From Kirei's Attack. Besides, ssjokg said: And I hope they dont show anything from FSN except for It Seems Unlikely. |
TennoujiMay 26, 2012 12:49 PM
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CharbbyLoves said: shanimebib said: Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. He Won't Die In This Series. As You Can See That He Easily Escaped From Kirei's Attack. ssjokg said: And I hope they dont show anything from FSN except for It Seems Unlikely. at least let me dream about it |
| Damn, from the chase at the beginning to Aoi's death by choking and everything in between. Great episode! Nice try Kirei but Zouken won't go down that easily... |
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ssjokg said: CharbbyLoves said: shanimebib said: Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. He Won't Die In This Series. As You Can See That He Easily Escaped From Kirei's Attack. ssjokg said: And I hope they dont show anything from FSN except for It Seems Unlikely. at least let me dream about it As much as having one would make my day since HF is my favorite route, I'd rather not get one if it's another lackluster DEEN anime. Ufotable doing it would be great though, as long as it gets more than just a movie. |
dio_brando86 said: ssjokg said: CharbbyLoves said: shanimebib said: Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. He Won't Die In This Series. As You Can See That He Easily Escaped From Kirei's Attack. ssjokg said: And I hope they dont show anything from FSN except for It Seems Unlikely. at least let me dream about it As much as having one would make my day since HF is my favorite route, I'd rather not get one if it's another lackluster DEEN anime. Ufotable doing it would be great though, as long as it gets more than just a movie. I have no dream for a deen adaption.more like nightmares.And ufotable being a clever studio(unlike Deen) wouldnt make the biggest route a 1-2 hour movie.thats why I said in the end of this anime.Something like showing |
ssjokgMay 26, 2012 1:38 PM
ssjokg said: ssjokg said: Sakura 9-10 years later and some speech from Zouken to make you wait for HF.That's one big dream huh?dio_brando86 said: ssjokg said: CharbbyLoves said: shanimebib said: Next comes that bastard Zouken. I hope he gets the most pathetic death ever. He is the real scumbag in the anime alongside Caster and Ryuunusuke. He Won't Die In This Series. As You Can See That He Easily Escaped From Kirei's Attack. ssjokg said: And I hope they dont show anything from FSN except for It Seems Unlikely. at least let me dream about it As much as having one would make my day since HF is my favorite route, I'd rather not get one if it's another lackluster DEEN anime. Ufotable doing it would be great though, as long as it gets more than just a movie. I have no dream for a deen adaption.more like nightmares.And ufotable being a clever studio(unlike Deen) wouldnt make the biggest route a 1-2 hour movie.thats why I said in the end of this anime.Something like showing I never realized that Shinji was Zouken's relative. Now it all makes sense. But I wonder whether he went through the same bug treatment as in the cases of Kariya and Sakura. Haha. I agree. DEEN almost ruined it, ufotable revived it. Let's hope to see more from ufotable in the coming years. |
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shanimebib said: I never realized that Shinji was Zouken's relative. Now it all makes sense. But I wonder whether he went through the same bug treatment as in the cases of Kariya and Sakura. Nope he was as useless as his father,no reason for training.But he ,as you know , |
| Damn is everyone gonna get killed off now? its been nothing but deaths for 2 straight episodes |
| Well this episode was pretty much a success. The coolest thing I liked was Saber- Rider duel and how Saber was riding dat motorcycle, SUGOI. Next - excalibur in all its power and Rider team living for another week (my favourite team so far). The thing I didn't like was Karyia killing Aoi, but shit happens, poor Rin though. Gotta hate Kirei-Giglamesh and the other bastard - Zouken. Sooooo, we are going to see a splendid episode next time hopefully (Rider- Giglamesh, Rider's Noble Phantasm anyone against Giglamesh anyone?). |
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Totentanz said: So, Kirei finds a soulmate in Zouken, though it doesn't appear like he rejoices in this discovery, which is understandable. It seems not even Kirei is a match for a man sadistic enough to take pleasure in his own son's misfortune. Eh, Shirou's Kotomine's 'soulmate'. Both are empty men, if they find happiness in different means. Also Zouken? He's actually nicer than the guy who hired Kiritsugu. Totentanz said: Once again it shows what a despicable being Gilgamesh is, reducing humans to mere tools for his entertainment and dismissing the tragedy unfolding before his very eyes as a poor first attempt of his servant, because that's what Kirei is in the end, just another pawn in the game. Not at all. Gilgamesh is kind and generous with his people. Kotomine happens to qualify (so did Tokiomi, but he wasn't a loved subject). This is important for his happiness, so he's teaching him how to enjoy himself after a life of nothing but endless emptiness and suffering. Kirei is far bigger antagonist than Gilgamesh is in FSN, in the end. Gilgamesh only steps on his game if Kirei dies. He likes the guy and wants to oversee his success. |
ThessMay 26, 2012 2:11 PM
Hydnlife said: Damn is everyone gonna get killed off now? its been nothing but deaths for 2 straight episodes I didn't read the LN, but judging by Fate Stay Night, I guess: |
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TheWitcher said: I didn't read the LN, but judging by Fate Stay Night, I guess: Actually: |
| T_T kariya for 1 second i thought it was a rape scene lol |
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| seeing kariya suffer amused me poor aoi though...she didnt deserve it |
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Hydnlife said: Damn is everyone gonna get killed off now? its been nothing but deaths for 2 straight episodes I guess ufotable did a bad job at showing that |
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shanimebib said: I never realized that Shinji was Zouken's relative. Now it all makes sense. But I wonder whether he went through the same bug treatment as in the cases of Kariya and Sakura. Haha. I agree. DEEN almost ruined it, ufotable revived it. Let's hope to see more from ufotable in the coming years. Shinji is useless for magic. But really Sakura gets the worms because they need to change her abilities to use Matou magic and so Zouken can control her. Kariya only gets the worms because he's pretty worthless for magecraft and needs to suddenly get more powerful to fight for the Grail in a short time. So even if Shinji was able to be a magus he shouldn't get the worm treatment since it's fatal eventually (as you can see from what it's done to Kariya so far) at least for men. |
Miya_F_Exia said: You're unbelievable, Kajiura. Just when you make a song in this season that manages to grab my attention, it turns out to be very similar to a song from a tv series that has not even being aired yet (SAO). Extremely creative, you are. ummm wtf? anyways i saw next week's episode name "all the evils of the world" hmmm |
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Thess said: TheWitcher said: I didn't read the LN, but judging by Fate Stay Night, I guess: Actually: To be even more specific |
| All in all I enjoyed this episode. Saber+ motorcycle=Awesomeness |
ssjokg said: Hydnlife said: Damn is everyone gonna get killed off now? its been nothing but deaths for 2 straight episodes I guess ufotable did a bad job at showing that I'd say that they adapted that scene extremely well. |
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ssjokg said: Hydnlife said: Damn is everyone gonna get killed off now? its been nothing but deaths for 2 straight episodes I guess ufotable did a bad job at showing that Maybe they will |
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