| Nope. In fact, I find that my vocabulary and reading skills have gone down. Since there isn't as much to read, and a lot of things are shown rather than described, you just aren't encountering as much vocabulary and grammar as you would be otherwise. Of course, I'm coming from a very high reading level. If you're coming from a lower one and have trouble reading in the first place, then I can see where manga would make a good bridge and help with comprehension. |
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| Seroisesly, yes, definytetly. Some problems with spelling though. Lets say I wouldn't be this good at english if I hadn't read any mangas. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
| Yes, but I'm talking about my Japanese reading comprehension. Without manga and games, I wouldn't frequently use it and would have gotten rusty. |
| Something like Detective Conan might. It's basically tons of text with some pictures |
| not in the slightest. Japanese is way to simple and redundant to afford any interesting use of vocabulary, except for the random made up bullshit words they love to throw out every once and a while and are a pain in the ass to translate |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| It depends on what manga you read, how it is translated such as the range of vocabulary used and whether you pay attention to the words. |
| A little depending on what manga I'm reading/ |
| reading in your native language - not really. maybe if you are 5 years old... reading in a foreign language - sure, why not. actually you can learn a lot from any medium in a foreign language - books and press are obviously the best ways, but I don't understand why comic books, films, songs, or, well, signs on the streets, should be considered useless. |
| Sometimes I think it lowers my level of reading ^_^V I have a high reading level because I used to read thick novels as a young kid. I never stopped reading, but now I read more manga than novels. Thanks to all the pictures and light, easy dialogue, sometimes I feel discouraged to pick up a book with pages and pages of just words. I guess I can say I've learned a word or two from manga, but I can't say my vocabulary has improved much, if at all. As far as comprehension, most of the time the images portray the important details of the story better than the dialogue. |
| I think reading in itself helps your knowledge to comprehend more than reading nothing and with manga there are a wide range of vocabulary in most cases so it benefits. |
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| it doesnt really have n effect on me o.o |
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| A lot of fan translators aren't very good at spelling or using proper grammer so there isn't much that can improve it. Reading it in japanese on the other hand does loads to improve my comprehension. It takes longer and sometimes I have to read a sentance three times before grasping the meaning of it, but it's worth it and really helps improve my understanding of the language. |
| Has anyone pointed out that manga dialogue has to be simplified / can't rely on big words because of the limited space allowed by the speech bubbles? Manga has to convey with art what novels do with wordy descriptions. That said, you aren't going to learn many new words; especially when most of what gets released officially in English is targeted at the shounen / shoujo demographics. I don't read novels, often. Jumping from manga / Harry Potter to The Count of Monte Cristo was fun. |
| I think that reading something instead of nothing will always help improve your comprehension. By how much really depends on your reading level. As for myself I don't think it help me that much because I've always had a pretty high comprehension level, but I have learned a few words here and there. |
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| I guess....? I also felt I became a reader reading subs on anime... |
| Well if you're looking at a story critically and not just reading it for a way to pass the time then sure. You've got to keep in mind that a lot goes in the images, too. Little details in an image can give away how a character is feeling or give a clue to how what the author is trying to convey just as much as the actual text does. Learning to recognize all those details and thinking about what they mean to the story is a part of reading comprehension. Sometimes a blank panel can say more than a panel overflowing with text. Here's a great example of detail easily overlooked. |
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Sweetpea said: Nope. In fact, I find that my vocabulary and reading skills have gone down. Since there isn't as much to read, and a lot of things are shown rather than described, you just aren't encountering as much vocabulary and grammar as you would be otherwise. Of course, I'm coming from a very high reading level. If you're coming from a lower one and have trouble reading in the first place, then I can see where manga would make a good bridge and help with comprehension. I agree with this actually . Been reading books since I learnt how to read and manga is rly dif to books . It doesn't need to describe with words most of the time so you keep reading the same pretty much . But I enjoy it either way xD Reading tons of manga and still reading books <3 |
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| 1.NO 2.Reading give you cancer(An excuse to not do your homework). 3.I think Learning and having fun is not possible. |
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adamantine said: Well if you're looking at a story critically and not just reading it for a way to pass the time then sure. You've got to keep in mind that a lot goes in the images, too. Little details in an image can give away how a character is feeling or give a clue to how what the author is trying to convey just as much as the actual text does. Learning to recognize all those details and thinking about what they mean to the story is a part of reading comprehension. Sometimes a blank panel can say more than a panel overflowing with text. Here's a great example of detail easily overlooked. But in your example that has nothing to do with reading comprehension. It's a visual metaphor, which does not require reading comprehension to decode. Also having a blank panel does little to further your reading comprehension, it is the ability to decode text it to some thing you can understand that's reading comprehension, A lack of text will not help you with your reading comprehension. So no manga cannot further your reading comprehension, due to it putting more emphasis on your ability visually break down of an image, not your ability to process text. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
| No not really, I'd better read on novels and fanfictions to improve my on my reading comprehension. But Manga is interesting because of it's limited visual aspects that tends to ignite the imagination of the reader. |
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| I actually think it makes it worse and as awsome as mangas are i can't consider it reading an actual book when i finish a manga |
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| No, mangas are easy reads, they cant help as much as novels do, |
| Nice generalizations so far in this thread. What are you reading? The manga you read doesn't improve your comprehension. But some others might benefit. |
shinkeikakuJul 25, 2011 10:32 AM
shinkeikaku said: Nice generalizations so far in this thread. What are you reading? The manga you read doesn't improve your comprehension. But some others might benefit. You said it yourself , they are generalizations aka they don't apply to EVERYONE lol Manga in general doesn't rly boost up your reading comprehension but ofc there are manga liek your example with walls of text but they are not as read as others . And tbh , I'm bored with walls of texts in manga . If I want words , I have books . Manga gives me the visual , I prefer not having to stay on the same page reading for ages . That's my personal opinion though so not generalizing. |
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| Atleast I'd say there's been a little improvement made. Or maybe it's because I take part in more discussions through forums since I've got into Anime and Manga, I have no idea. All I know is that since I've got into watching Anime more (and being more active on MAL) my vocabulary has improved more. I imagine it may also be due to reading reviews too. |
shinkeikaku said: Nice generalizations so far in this thread. What are you reading? The manga you read doesn't improve your comprehension. But some others might benefit. There are only generalizations if you don't know what reading comprehension is. Doesn't matter if there is a wall of text the text accompanied by the image is self defeating. The image will help you understand more then the text there for your not improving your ability decode text, the image is doing that for you. Now if the text described the scene to you with out the picture then that would be reading comprehension because you have to use the text and process it into a visual image. Just having a character sit there monolog it's thoughts out in a wall of text isn't gonna do much, if anything for you. Well unless your reading level is that of like a 3rd grader then I guess is might help. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
Jigero said: shinkeikaku said: Nice generalizations so far in this thread. What are you reading? The manga you read doesn't improve your comprehension. But some others might benefit. There are only generalizations if you don't know what reading comprehension is. Doesn't matter if there is a wall of text the text accompanied by the image is self defeating. The image will help you understand more then the text there for your not improving your ability decode text, the image is doing that for you. Now if the text described the scene to you with out the picture then that would be reading comprehension because you have to use the text and process it into a visual image. Just having a character sit there monolog it's thoughts out in a wall of text isn't gonna do much, if anything for you. Well unless your reading level is that of like a 3rd grader then I guess is might help. How do you know, can you read it? It obviously is describing something not in the image. The image doesn't help at all. There's plenty of mangaka that use more than basic sentence structure or can even be poetic about it, forcing you to think about what is written there. Like a common structure would be leaving out the noun some verb/particle is linked to for dramatic effect. What's the character referring to? Is it person A or B? It's just like reading any written passage. You have to make that conclusion and the image won't help you. Reading more and more will improve your ability and allow you to read more complicated things. Or there's the foreign language aspect where you have a kanji you can't remember but use the rest of the sentence to determine the meaning. Again, stop generalizing and get over the fact that not everything fits underneath the little umbrella with writing that 3rd graders can understand. Otherwise, everything would be straight-forward shoujo/shounen by definition. Josei/seinen can and often have simplistic writing, but they aren't limited to that and there are examples otherwise. |
shinkeikakuJul 26, 2011 5:18 AM
Jigero said: I don't really see reading comprehension the same way as most in this thread do. I'm seeing it more as the ability be analytical about a story and taking more out of it than enjoyment. adamantine said: But in your example that has nothing to do with reading comprehension. It's a visual metaphor, which does not require reading comprehension to decode. Well if you're looking at a story critically and not just reading it for a way to pass the time then sure. You've got to keep in mind that a lot goes in the images, too. Little details in an image can give away how a character is feeling or give a clue to how what the author is trying to convey just as much as the actual text does. Learning to recognize all those details and thinking about what they mean to the story is a part of reading comprehension. Sometimes a blank panel can say more than a panel overflowing with text. Here's a great example of detail easily overlooked. Also having a blank panel does little to further your reading comprehension, it is the ability to decode text it to some thing you can understand that's reading comprehension, A lack of text will not help you with your reading comprehension. So no manga cannot further your reading comprehension, due to it putting more emphasis on your ability visually break down of an image, not your ability to process text. I don't really know what to call that... literary analysis? critical reading? Unless you're reading manga in a language you aren't too familiar with then, no, I don't see how your basic reading comprehension as you are describing can be improved but I don't see how anyone out of elementary school would need improvement there. How difficult is it to read a block of text and understand the surface meaning? That's why I ended up answering the OP in such a way. Since they found the right sub-forum to post in their basic reading comprehension seemed just fine to me so I was thinking they were referring to the more literary side of things (like metaphors all that jazz). Why did the author choose to draw something the way they did, why did they choose to use a certain phrases, why did a character lie to another one, why aren't we seeing a character's face in a certain panel, why did the author leave a sentence incomplete, why did the author choose a certain setting, etc. is what jumps to my mind when I think of reading comprehension - though I guess there's a better phrase for that. Anyway, I believe that can be improved by manga. |
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| In the title page of One Piece Volume 22 where Oda-sensei writes a little paragraph of his thoughts and/or comments, he stated how he was proud that Japanese students had some of the best reading comprehension levels around. He then mentioned that among those Japanese students, the ones that read manga have the highest reading comprehension levels. So, I think it's safe to say, yes, it does. ^_^ |
| At first, reading everyone's comments, I thought 'what the heck?!', and felt stupid, because I thought that, as far as I'm concerned, reading manga helped me a lot learning the language. Then, by page 3, I realized we were talking mainly about /English/ reading comprehension all along. And felt stupid anyway. Seriously though, I think that reading raw manga is a very good source of vocabulary for a beginner or lower-intermediate level, and helps getting used to read real, non-textbook Japanese, together with picking up colloquial sentence patterns and so on. |
| No? Manga doesn't have half as many words as your typical short novel has and the translations are often off and non-grammatical. |
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| Yes, it does. And if I read them on english is more like than I read them on spanish. If I read in english it is prpeactice for me |
| I do ^o^) |
| If you just did nothing because you thought it wouldn't help, then you'd end up doing less than nothing; for nothing would change and nothing would end. (Kira Yamato - Gundam Seed Phase 34: Seen & Unseen) |
| So so. Sometimes it just makes me even more confused 'cause sometimes i read some confusing and difficult mangas that i need to re-read 2 or 3 times because i don't understand or feel like i missed something. But it does improve my english 'cause i'm brazilian and i read a lot of english mangas because the translation to my language sucks most of the time. |
| Yup, it has improved a lot ! English is not my mother language, so reading english books really helps. |
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| I actually learned quite a bit of vocabulary from mystery, horror, psychological genres, but my brain loses IQ whenever I read shonen or shoujo. |
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| Yeah, I wouldn't say so. They don't compare, in this aspect, to books. |
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| well if you're already good at english it doesnt really improve your reading capabilities in any aspect |
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| Definitely. It improves as well my drawing skills and capabilities. |
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