| I'm enjoying this show quite a bit, certainly not a masterpiece but there are definitely worse shows ranked higher. Just wondering why all the... dislikenment. |
| i typically don't rate shows until they are finished but in this case I can sort of understand why. so far the exposition has been really bad. the show is a little less than halfway done right now and I still have no idea as to what is going on or why. it doesn't help that they introduced some 10+ characters by name in the very first episode, so that confuses me further as to who is doing what + why. the concept does seem pretty unique and interesting so I'm sort of inclined to read the VN at some point later. it's just a big disappointment that such a story is lost on this anime. |
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| I do agree the plot and character introduction are really convoluted and a story of this magnitude should get a lot more episodes, but overall I really don't think it's that bad of a show. I think the rating should be around 7.6 or so, just judging from other ratings around that area that I think are lesser than this one. The animation is good, first episode was fun and the fight scenes are pretty well done, though there weren't any between 1 and 4. |
| The animation and the fights are nice, but the plot is all over the place... each episode I come here, 90% of the viewers (myself included) have absolutely no idea wtf happened. The only ones understanding anything are those who have already read the VN, and the explanations they give are only barely more understandable than the anime itself. Having an actually very decent storyline, and being reduced to where IS: Infinite Stratos was (fancervice and mechas) because the storytelling is so appalling, is a pity. I've rated both as 4, and tbh IS was much better overall... |
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| what kind of VN are you guys talking about? that is what you called doesn't make any sense the story is simple you don't need to read/know/familiar with the setting you only need to do TWO THINGS for god sake 1. just pay attention to the dialog instead of err...boobs 2. and don't download that shitty hadena sub |
| 5 eps and still dunno what actually is going on? so, ppl called it "bad" |
| The first three episodes were confusing in how they were connected to the pre-existing back story but eps 4 and 5 put things into perspective very nicely for me. The story has been pretty easy to follow and i checked out the wiki to help me with any terminology i didn't get. As for the character intros, there is no fixed method on how they should be done as Baccano proved by using a similar approach with its main cast. In this case it would have probably been detrimental and a waste of time to spread out the intros over episodes as they are just supporting cast. Most of which seem to have no major impact on the story at this point and are just there to fill in numbers as members of Toori's class. I found the whole training drill a nice way introduce them and their powers and maybe we will see more development and backstory as/if they gain a more prominent role in the story. |
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| hehe.... this Anime need some patience and tolerance while watching to really love it. Understanding and dedication can lead to love and respect =) |
MorningGloryNov 6, 2011 8:23 PM
| This show is easy to understand as long as you don't watch it with crappy subs. I watched the first two episodes with the subs that came out the earliest and I didn't understand a thing. Now I just watch it on Crunchyroll. Their subs are much better though they're only subbed up to episode 4 so far.l |
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| The show is bad. The plot and characters are just complete rubbish. The only reason to watch it is for the boobs, there is literally nothing going for it. Honestly I'm surprised it has a score as high as it does. |
Sakura_jp said: The show is bad. The plot and characters are just complete rubbish. The only reason to watch it is for the boobs, there is literally nothing going for it. Honestly I'm surprised it has a score as high as it does. Actually, it's far from being bad if you are familiar with the setting. The exposition was bad but once you get into it it's quite decent. Not for the newcomers. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Always love to see detailed explanation as to why some people don't like a certain series which I quite enjoy. There are a lot of people who drop it after ep3, which is like the lowest stage of the score in my book. The show since then has been getting better and better each week to the point that it's my 2nd most anticipated series this season. However, since they dropped it at ep3, they didn't get to see them, hence the score still down. Heck, if I didn't know that ep4 will feature a great battle sequence I probably would've had missed out altogether as well :P Not helped by the fact that this story has tonnes of content that has to be paced out slowly. I wonder how many people didn't know that the first 5 episodes are all taken within the same day. The fact that they didn't know that the story won't be closing out within this first volume of the LN is probably detrimental to their enjoyment because they wanted high action high bounce every episode. just my 2c |
| Imo, I think the viewers are just confusing with the bombardment of setting information and the very direct approach of the show. After all this is a novel adaption, a HUGE novel at that (1 book is about 800 pages average, contrast to the normal standard of 2, 300~). And it seems that Sunrise dedicates the show to novel readers. That explains why the anime seems to be all over the place. To me, it wasn't that difficult though... I started watching this show when I had about 4 episodes with GOOD SUBTITLES (Hadena or Hatena are just plain awful, seriously). After episode 5, things clicked perfectly. I think it's still very early to judge the show for being good or bad. I believe Horizon will be a very memorable one when you can look at it as a whole picture, aka 13 episodes. After all, watching 13 episodes that describe what happened for only 2 days can be pretty confusing weekly. |
Because it was based off something called a 'light novel' that was actually ... a picture should tell you more: |
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| Was one of the persons who hated the convoluted, badly paced exposition and story telling at first but past, I think, 5-6 episodes I start to get it and like it overall. I blame partly Hadena for not getting it at first but I can't disregard that it has too much infodump in the first few episodes with bad execution. So even with decent subs like Commie, it's still confusing as fuck. I was planning to drop this on 3-4 episode but I'm glad I didn't. Certainly one of the better shows this season who started off horribly. |
| When I first read the Light novel , I felt very confused and its badly executed ,but to be honest, I simply just bad at handling history stuff. Since this Anime is based on history, Its very hard to start the story from ground zero.Unless the Light novel really want to start it from ground zero, I think they should start from year 1492(the ending of reconquista) For people who are interested in History(excluding me), the following event I mention are already finish history reproduction.The country relation and history development in Horizon are based on the event below. There is the Japaneses history part.... but its too long.The Japaneses part start at Ōnin War at 1467 and end at Shimabara rebellion(1637–1638 ).If you are interested, you can start reading from there. I get the source from niconico encyclopedia Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon .Read it only if you are serious, I am only half serious when reading this ... T.T |
MorningGloryDec 3, 2011 6:33 AM
MorningGlory said: When I first read the Light novel , I felt very confused and its badly executed ,but to be honest, I simply just bad at handling history stuff. Since this Anime is based on history, Its very hard to start the story from ground zero.Unless the Light novel really want to start it from ground zero, I think they should start from year 1492(the ending of reconquista) For people who are interested in History(excluding me), the following event I mention are already finish history reproduction.The country relation and history development in Horizon are based on the event below. That is a a lot for what the anime will cover this season lol... For the current anime season, with a bit of understanding about Peace of Wesphalia and the Old Testament of Christian (Book of Genesis), and you can grasp the anime lol. Heck, the anime has already passed that difficult part. Just watch it carefully again with good sub and I would say you will get the picture. Those stuff above are just for reference lol... |
rific said: I'm enjoying this show quite a bit, certainly not a masterpiece but there are definitely worse shows ranked higher. Just wondering why all the... dislikenment. The low rating is because it's shit. As about worse shows. Well maybe you can find a few but no the anime scene is not full of worst shows than this. Most are better than this. As for the fact that you are enjoying it...well what can i say. Nobody's perfect. |
Zavie said: ya, those are just reference for people who like history.I was shock when I found this reference in niconico(I guess they are serious about this lol).Heck, the anime has already passed that difficult part. Just watch it carefully again with good sub and I would say you will get the picture. Those stuff above are just for reference lol... I am still quite unsatisfied when the Anime omitted the explanation on Sovereignty during ep8 ...Well, everything will be over after the vesfalen meeting =P |
MorningGloryDec 3, 2011 8:41 AM
Monad said: The low rating is because it's shit. As about worse shows. Well maybe you can find a few but no the anime scene is not full of worst shows than this. Most are better than this. As for the fact that you are enjoying it...well what can i say. Nobody's perfect. curious, which ep are you up to? |
MorningGlory said: Zavie said: ya, those are just reference for people who like history.I was shock when I found this reference in niconico(I guess they are serious about this lol).Heck, the anime has already passed that difficult part. Just watch it carefully again with good sub and I would say you will get the picture. Those stuff above are just for reference lol... I am still quite unsatisfied when the Anime omitted the explanation on Sovereignty during ep8 ...Well, everything will be over after the vesfalen meeting =P If this show ever make it to season 3, you would be amazed by how heavy concentrated this is on the history references... |
| I thought it started out with a lot of promise but I ended up dropping it because I got annoyed that it wasn't actually going anywhere... and this comes from someone that doesn't drop things often. |
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IshokuOsero said: I thought it started out with a lot of promise but I ended up dropping it because I got annoyed that it wasn't actually going anywhere... and this comes from someone that doesn't drop things often. It just had a longer than usual prologue so in the early episodes it seemed that it wasn't going anywhere but that has passed and is now beginning to seem like one of the better anime of this season. |
| This is not a worst anime ..you can say that this anime is not that bad probably 5-6 as the lowest Story is good... after that prologue... Their mission is simple and that is to collect all the "weapon" or emotion of horizon Settings is quite big and you will see a lot of "remake" battle from "old" history Music is catchy The only problem I have is the "Big bobbies" ... well it's part of the LN now.. and I dun really care :/ |
FlavoryFantasy said: I think...too many fans are too used to being spoon-fed information. I'm well aware of the source material. (how on earth it gets away being a light novel is still a mystery to me lol) I haven't read any of the novels, but I'm still heavily enjoying horizon. I for one like the world presented, and like the fact I need to pay extra attention to the dialogue along with the scenes. I was a little lost for episode 1 and the first half of episode 2, after paying a bit more attention though my enjoyment has skyrocketed for this show. The goal of the characters are simple too at this point, they simply want to save a friend that they all treasure for one thing. - For the Low score people sure like to be extreme with a low or high number it seems. Also people don't seem even want to do a small amount of research. Like checking if the anime is being adapted from a light novel, visual novel, game, or manga. That can help some people identify how they probably should adjust their expectations upon entering the show.. Considering for example that most Light novel adaptions due tend to skip quite a bit of things probably due to the time constraints they have in a episode. As well as that a fair amount of LN/VN adaptions are mediocre or just plain outright bad. Anyway...from what i've seen/read a lot of people seem to be turned off by the light novel / visual novel adaptions. Especially if there is a lot of exposition, which they seem to take in a negative light for some odd reason. ...Also I keep seeing the complaints of big breast characters, errm...there seems to be as many flat/small chested characters as there are large, unlike other shows where one of those sizes rules the scale lol. Well aside from all that people have their own preferences and what not. So you can always just ignore the scores people give without too much of a good reason as well... Let's compaire this anime to, say, Higurashi... In Higurashi, you have no idea wtf is going on a and why... and the show isn't going anywhere for almost 30 episodes... Now, the majority of viewers (well, until most of us dropped it) agreed that it was impossible to understand wtf is going on... and the show was going nowhere (obviously for much less than Higurashi) Yet, Higurashi is considered a classic while this... is considered crap. Let me tell you something: a visual adaptation of anything must make some decent sense without having to resort to stuff like wikis or the source material... sure, some tthings will be omitted and some may be hard to understand, but not EVERYTHING... take the Fate franchise for example - there's a ton of stuff in the wiki that the anime never touches, but the story is still perfectly comprehensible... and if the source material is too much, you gotta take one of two routes: The LOTR route: stretch the adaptation as much as possible - 40, 60, over 9000 hours of stuff if possible. The Harry Potter route: cut off everything except the introduction and the final chapters and find some short filler to link the two... Cramming everything in a few episodes just doesn't work... also, I don't know what they even did with the backstory presentation, but it doesn't work anyway, because the majority didn't understand s***... PS. I still had faith in Horizon up to ep4... then the battle in ep5 was SO FREAKING CHEEZY with the profesor and the way he appeared that I had to drop it asap... |
Pan151Dec 7, 2011 1:53 AM
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MorningGlory said: now I reading Vol2 and The first chapter made me hit the wall while looking at wiki.（sｒy、I am suck when comes to history) they teach me how Spain is created from Iberian Peninsula.They mention about Celt,Roman,Germanic,Visigothic,Umayyad army fucking each other and reach Reconquista and Spain is created.They also mention how 2 king fuck to each other and created Joanna of Castile and somehow this and that, Spain got high authority till 16th century.There alot of name from the history mention in the Novel but looking back in the wiki would make me even more confuse. Well, and you have to be careful as well as Horizon big-ass setting is still centered as the Sengoku Period of Japan. I caught myself extreme confused when dealing with the bombarding of event when I have to distinguish which part is which... And my Japanese is not that great yet (my Kanji vocab is only like 1000~, had to get help from translator machine and my Japanses friend as well). And all that katakana names for history figures just makes the history homework more painful. I'm like half way through 2B book now, haven't got the time recently, so I was just like skimming the stuff to get as much info as I can. Well, I personally liked the Spanish Amarda, so volume 2 was quite enjoyable to me though. MorningGlory said: In vol1,they also mention the history of Europe and Holy Roman empire.They also mentioned Amaterasu's story which have something to do which Toori and Kimi.Thank GOD, that the Anime omitted that part because I don't understand that as well. I watched episode 9 with official subtitle, it had notes about the Amaterasu's story. @Pan151: while I personally love Higurashi lots. I found myself watching the 1st season of it again and felt horrible most of the time I saw a bad execution and low production value. Being a suspended series with some very serious demographic simply saved it, I loved the series but now I wouldn't say Higurashi anime did justice for me. The better one for me was Kai, not the first one... It's hard to compare the two, really. One takes a very serious part and the other being very mainstream. Also, while Higurashi was trying to animate everything from the game. With the mystery factor (and those gore scenes), it was easy to draw the watchers attention. Unlike that, the whole season of Horizon is just for the prologue of the main story, and like novel, they have to faithful o the material, it explains the confusion the first couple of episodes (not to mention Horizon is meant for the novel readers to begin with anw). If you are reading a novel, you don't expect the prologue to play out everything for you, right? You have to have boring parts and the good parts in a book. Same thing with Horizon... tl;dr: while Higurashi tried to fuck your mind on purpose for the plot. Horizon has just been simply faithful to the material, and until the picture is displayed, I would keep myself from making premature comments. |
| ^ I found my statement is a bit rude that why i deleted it lol If people don't like this Anime even after watching ep5, then I have no idea to convince them into liking the Anime anymore. Zavie said: Westfalen conference is at 1648 and spanish armada is at 1588. lolWell, I personally liked the Spanish Amarda, so volume 2 was quite enjoyable to me though. So ,you are reading the LN as well. Bless you =P |
MorningGloryDec 7, 2011 3:37 AM
MorningGlory said: ^ I found my statement is a bit rude that why i deleted it lol If people don't like this Anime even after watching ep5, then I have no idea to convince them into liking the Anime anymore. Zavie said: Westfalen conference is at 1648 and spanish armada is at 1588. lolWell, I personally liked the Spanish Amarda, so volume 2 was quite enjoyable to me though. So ,you are reading the LN as well. Bless you =P More like nearing begging my friend to translate it for me every 10 sentences lol... But even then, getting the reference right for all the history stuff was painful for him also. So I try to do the homework myself now and hasn't gotten much with it. So reading now is just like learning the scope of the story and confirming all the spoiler I've read before... |
| Anyone saying this show is shit lacks either: a) taste b) brains c) both of the above I haven't read the novels but I can see the anime staff are doing they best (and mostly, succeed) at trying to convey this juggernaut of a storyline and setting without losing much of the substance and without overloading the viewers with overly complex and difficult to understand stuff at the same time. It's really sad that so many people refuse to look beyond the lightheartedness of some scenes and characters and label something that is actually a pretty deep and exceptionally well written show as a confusing mindless fanservice galore series. |
Yanoflies said: Because it was based off something called a 'light novel' that was actually ... a picture should tell you more: Is Owari no Chronicle really related to Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon (the row of light novels above Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon)? |
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tsubasalover said: Yanoflies said: Because it was based off something called a 'light novel' that was actually ... a picture should tell you more: Is Owari no Chronicle really related to Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon (the row of light novels above Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon)? Owari no Chronicle is like a prequel of Horizon. While, they are not related characters and plot-wise. Both of the novels are in the same universe created by Kawakami Minoru. Owari no Chronicle is in the AHEAD period, while Horizon is in GENESIS period. About the picture, the top row is Owari books and the bottom is Horizon books... |
ZavieDec 7, 2011 4:16 AM
| I just about dropped this show after the first episode or two, but I decided to give it the usual 3. The 3rd piqued my curiosity when I worked out a little of what was going on, and I've been having a blast ever since. I think the sheer density of the show, plus the extremely confusing first few episodes (and the really dumb first episode, I still can't forgive them for introducting an entire cast in 5 min, that's just baaaaad) put a lot of people off it early on, and left bad impressions. |
Thank you, I was curious. Interesting graph. So Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon happens before Owari no Chronicle. And seems like there's "Rensha Ou", which happens in Present time. T hank you both for answering. |
tsubasaloverDec 7, 2011 4:29 AM
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| ok in terms of comparison between Higurashi and Horizon Higurashi - mainstream anime watcher loves it, the fans for VN dislikes it. Horizon - mainstream anime watchers hates it, the fans for the LN likes it. so it's a choice between which type of demograph you want to target. While Higurashi executes the thriller aspect nicely since the source material is quite good, the anime lacks the most important aspect : the emotional attachments. It's easy to say which one out of those two is better for me when I constantly laughed at the bad music choice in higurashi while I almost cried at the end of Horizon ep5 and pumped up at the end of ep9. When a single removed prologue in the VN is 10x better emotionally than the whole series combine, you know something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the Higurashi anime. (bear in mind I come into both series without experiencing the original material first) In higurashi you feel like you are obliged to be confused since "it's suppose to be a mystery", when in fact it's because the questions and tips were delivered so poorly. Go back to the question arcs and you can spot little to no hints whatsoever that was suppose to be there. Heck, the writer had to come up with an original arc in the beginning of second season just to fill in the gap. In contrary, going back to Horizon early episodes and you would realise that all the clues are there in the very beginning. All the character traits/powers, different factions, character relationships etc are all there but most people kind of glanced past them in the first go. Granted showing off the massive cast in one go is probably too much for the anime audience to handle, but personally I prefer it than having random previously unknown classmates pop up when the situation required. It just feels better to have someone you know stepping up to the challenge than to have a DEM. |
jerozDec 7, 2011 6:22 AM
tsubasalover said: You mean Horizon happens after Owari? Modern -> Near future -> Space -> Fantasy? They reversed the the title to illustrate the cyclic nature of their universe, a bit like in the Wheel of Time with the Ages. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
jeroz said: ok in terms of comparison between Higurashi and Horizon Higurashi - mainstream anime watcher loves it, the fans for VN dislikes it. Horizon - mainstream anime watchers hates it, the fans for the LN likes it. so it's a choice between which type of demograph you want to target. While Higurashi executes the thriller aspect nicely since the source material is quite good, the anime lacks the most important aspect : the emotional attachments. It's easy to say which one out of those two is better for me when I constantly laughed at the bad music choice in higurashi while I almost cried at the end of Horizon ep5 and pumped up at the end of ep9. When a single removed prologue in the VN is 10x better emotionally than the whole series combine, you know something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the Higurashi anime. (bear in mind I come into both series without experiencing the original material first) In higurashi you feel like you are obliged to be confused since "it's suppose to be a mystery", when in fact it's because the questions and tips were delivered so poorly. Go back to the question arcs and you can spot little to no hints whatsoever that was suppose to be there. Heck, the writer had to come up with an original arc in the beginning of second season just to fill in the gap. In contrary, going back to Horizon early episodes and you would realise that all the clues are there in the very beginning. All the character traits/powers, different factions, character relationships etc are all there but most people kind of glanced past them in the first go. Granted showing off the massive cast in one go is probably too much for the anime audience to handle, but personally I prefer it than having random previously unknown classmates pop up when the situation required. It just feels better to have someone you know stepping up to the challenge than to have a DEM. VN readers/Anime watchers aside: look how much each is rated... guess that says something as to which was excecuted well and which not... Lets leave aside the fact that I disagree with most of what you said for higurashi, but I will pick on something. If in Higurashi you say you felt obliged to be confused because it's a mystery, in KSNH I felt obliged to NOT be confused by EVERYTHING, because it wasn't supposed to be a mystery... I've seen a lot of anime and I believe I have seen casts at least as big as KSNH's and stories at least as complex... and even if some of them were introduced pretty fast, I never recalled being really confused about anything in particular... While if you search the 1st few episode discussions you'll see that the majority of viewers (along with which I am myself) understood almost NOTHING about what was going on... which means that either this show has somehow attracted 100x more ppl wanting to be spoon-fed than the average series, or something is seriously wrong in the adaptation. And the most annoying thing was that it was obvious that there was some good story behind all this, but I just couldn't understand anything of it... So I satyed just for the fights and the boobs. Then boobs got old and fights got cheesy, so I quit for series that at least know how to tell a story without having the viewer do 5 hours of research before and after each episode... |
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Pan151 said: VN readers/Anime watchers aside: look how much each is rated... guess that says something as to which was excecuted well and which not... Hardly a good indicator of the quality due to the reasons I already stated. Pan151 said: Lets leave aside the fact that I disagree with most of what you said for higurashi, but I will pick on something. If in Higurashi you say you felt obliged to be confused because it's a mystery, in KSNH I felt obliged to NOT be confused by EVERYTHING, because it wasn't supposed to be a mystery... That point is just to show you why higurashi has an inflated score, instead of trying to defend why KSNH has a low score. Also you really need to stop watching HadenaSub if you get confused by EVERYTHING. Even if it took a while to get my head around the world setting at least I got some ideas of how the world works by ep2. Pan151 said: I've seen a lot of anime and I believe I have seen casts at least as big as KSNH's and stories at least as complex... and even if some of them were introduced pretty fast, I never recalled being really confused about anything in particular... Then again, this series is probably not helped by being like the 4th series in the universe, with plenty of history to start out the story. It's not like the story is from the very beginning, which doesn't help its cause. Pan151 said: While if you search the 1st few episode discussions you'll see that the majority of viewers (along with which I am myself) understood almost NOTHING about what was going on... which means that either this show has somehow attracted 100x more ppl wanting to be spoon-fed than the average series, or something is seriously wrong in the adaptation. And the most annoying thing was that it was obvious that there was some good story behind all this, but I just couldn't understand anything of it... So I satyed just for the fights and the boobs. Then boobs got old and fights got cheesy, so I quit for series that at least know how to tell a story without having the viewer do 5 hours of research before and after each episode... so....which episode did you get up to? If you go back to the first episode now you would realise that everything actually makes sense with all those hints drops around. Also seriously, is your reading skill that slow to have to take up 5hours to read up the Q&A of the minor details that the anime had to skim over? Anyway, guess you are not the right demograph for this series if you only come for the fights and boobs. |
| @pan151: if you truly did watch the whole 1st 5 episodes and still didn't like it, then I have nothing else to say, that's too bad. My principle is not to judge a show until it's finished, if I drop a series before that, I would say the show just wasn't my cup of tea. The complexity of the show is not a reason for you to blame the entire series while it's still on-going. Each series has difference kind of approach in term of plotting and un-plotting. Imagine Higurashi without Kai lol, I would say the popularity of Higurashi spyrocketted after Kai, not the 1st one lol. |
| Just to note something: I watched all 5 episodes on Commie subs... still, I couldn't understand a flipping thing... maybe at ep5 I started understanding what was going on, but I still had no idea why, how, who etc... Even the explanations in the forum sometimes made no sense to me tbh, because I couldn't even see where how they were connected to what I had just watched... Oh, and I didn't come for boobs and fights, but unfortunately it was the only part of the show that was watchable... I usually do try to finish series that I start, and if I do drop them due to lack of interest then I don't rate them... however, if I drop them because they are awful/unwatchable, I do... |
Pan151Dec 8, 2011 1:52 AM
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Pan151 said: list them out and let me read.I couldn't even see where how they were connected to what I had just watched... I think the important fact were well presented in Anime. |
MorningGloryDec 8, 2011 4:45 AM
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I watched all 5 episodes on Commie subs... still, I couldn't understand a flipping thing... I watched 10 episodes on Commie Subs. Everything is crystal clear. You just need to be really interested with the series. Although I'm the admin of Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon Wiki. Though that shouldn't be a concern. |
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