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| meh it was an alright episode, wish there was a little more suspense. |
| The way Victorique pwned the fake Avril was amazingly cute. Her hiding place was damn obvious but also childish ... and it kinda suited her... |
| so basically we have two kinds of viewers here, those that like it "spoon fed" and those that can literally think for themselves and do their homework. and those spoon fed guys likes it to be a full narrative explanation where every part of the deduction need to be explained because they can't comprehend it and in the end saying it is far fetched, a lucky guess, and unbelievable. and seriously this guys have never seen Sherlock Holmes w/c is what GOSICK is famously based into. as for the book, this is the result of me doing some ''homework'' -Avril have found a book inside a crypt, basically she knows because Kujo told her Avril found it -then Kujo found Avril going out of the library, seriously ''books + library" there is no better connection, and let's see if Avril would like to read the book in the library, why would she? she can read it anywhere, so there is one more reason why Avril would go the library, and that is what Victorica had her vision fixed into, it is to hide the book, a library full of tons of books with be a perfect place to hide one -their school is famous for ''ghost stories'' and basically the people in there avoid places and things that fit in the conditions of those ''ghost stories''(Kujo). the library is indeed a perfect place to hide a book, but some student may accidentally take it out of curiosity so you need one place that literally no one would dare be so close for the book to be utterly invincible, and that's where "The 13th Step to Heaven" perfectly fits in since the people there actually believe in that ''ghost story". basically it's just ''pure logic'' and proper mindset and knowledge that Victorica pulled out that so called "lucky guess" by our viewers here. and about Maxim being the first Phantom Thief. -Maxim died eight years ago. -the first Phantom Thief vanished eight years ago. -Maxim would return every spring in the school even though he's graduated. -and the critical one, as Glaviel stated back in episode 4, "Rumors of swindling, blackmail and thievery followed him everywhere. He seemed to have disappeared in ''spring'' eight years ago." and now found dead in the crypts. -Avril found a book in the crypts in the place Maxim died. -Victorica found the book in the library and there found letter (a letter that has been supposed to be sent to Avril but not) and saw that ''stamp'', and that's when Victorica had a "grinny smile" in her face. because she knew that stamp costs a lot. (She already found out at that point that Avril is someone that is after that stamp.) -the stamp that costs a lot has been found on the letter that has been found in a book that is found in the crypts after eight years where Maxim died w/c is a person that have rumors of "thievery" following his name and with our first Phantom Thief disappearing eight years ago. perfect fit. and the part where Victorica stated that the reason Maxim is returning every spring in the school to hide the merchandises he stole is basically because it fits with the letter w/ stamp that instead of being hidden is has been found along with him as he died along with Millie Marl in the ''spring of eight years ago". Victorica needs not to explain such things. if you have watched BONES' Darker Than Black and finished it, it is a show where you have to do your homework because the show haven't got a habit of directly explaining things to it's viewers because the answers are already spread in the show in terms of symbolisms and conversations between characters. and i now i wish BONES would make a troll stunt out of nowhere and make Sherlock Holmes himself appear in the show. Iisan-kun said: well i remember that, i thought you were talking about this episode or the last, because we are in the middle of a new mini arc. anyways thanks for clearing that out and that part i've mentioned before definitely is "animation failure" ^^@AmberFebruary I know what a red hearing is... and I wasn't talking about this mystery in the first two paragraphs. I was talking about the theory I made in the second episode. I remember you even replying to it and saying that you thought it was an animation mistake. Memory loss much? EDIT: You didn't outright say it, but clearly it was an animation failure. Anyone who goes back and watches the scene will see it. |
desolatoFeb 7, 2011 9:07 AM
| Simplistic beauty can't be appreciated by someone who looks for something grand in everything he watch. |
| Well it looks like the real Avril will be the one sticking around. Agreed, it felt quick but i don't think the mystery was that bad. Victorique just solves them to quickly |
| The show's slipping a bit for me. It's not that the mystery is easy or hard, it's the way the solution to it was delivered. It lacks some kind of impact when it is being solved. This and Kujo is getting annoying with saying "Victorique" every few seconds. Victorique was adorable in the last parts with her blushing but overall, I feel myself getting bored with the show. Bumping down my score. |
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| I loved that scene with Victorique throwing books at fake Avril. The ending was very sweet. ^^ It took me by surprise that Avri (fake one)l wasn't the real one but instead pretended to be. |
Kenshin- said: I liked the arc, but I find it kind of impossible to discover the truth with the information provided. So I think this arc was a bad adaptation or just not "good enough" for the mystery genre. You've read too much Umineko, you silly Will fan. It's possible to uncover the truth without too many clues given. Just look at Bernkastel, she managed to give us the truth at the end of EP7. :> belatkuro said: The show's slipping a bit for me. It's not that the mystery is easy or hard, it's the way the solution to it was delivered. It lacks some kind of impact when it is being solved. This and Kujo is getting annoying with saying "Victorique" every few seconds. Victorique was adorable in the last parts with her blushing but overall, I feel myself getting bored with the show. Bumping down my score. Are you me? I feel exactly the same. |
Samu-tanFeb 5, 2011 12:51 PM
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| @Amber February - You may want to edit your posts together rather than constantly double/triple posting. Just a heads up before an actual mod says something. ;) Iisan-kun said: I thought this mystery was better than the first one.Iilia said: So who cares about the mysteries? Let's just have more scenes of Victorique throwing books on people! ...this anime is bad for that exact reason. Too bad I was expecting the mysteries to be interesting and actually matter, though it's obviously not like that. Hell, maybe they will get better in the future... but wake me up when we get there. The second mystery (is it considered the second mystery?) with the biker was pretty pathetic, yes, but it kind of clouded things up for me in the Avril mystery. I didn't see the imposter thing coming - I thought it was still somehow connected to the biker incident and that Avril was actually the twin sister of the apprehended girl, or something along those lines. Anyways, they're not the most impressive mysteries I've ever seen, but I think they are getting better. And I don't find this show unenjoyable at all, so it doesn't bother me that much. Edit: belatkuro said: I think this contributes to why people dislike the mysteries as well.It's not that the mystery is easy or hard, it's the way the solution to it was delivered. It lacks some kind of impact when it is being solved. |
IiliaFeb 5, 2011 1:52 PM
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| I don't even know how the hell that case could have been solved, there was hardly any evidence that could have lead to the right answer. But thank goodness it all ended with the Fake Avril getting crushed by books and the real Avril being rescued, Victorica's hideout is awesome and has everything you need not to be bored. |
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| Victorique and Kujo are so cute together <3 |
| I don't know about Kujo in this arc. Did he seriously questioned Victorique's existence for a minute there even though in the past other people interacted with her? But I guess he's kind of a gentleman since he'd deck an axe wielding manic across the face with brass knuckles but doesn't touch a woman threatening to throw him down a flight of stairs. Iilia said: Anyways, they're not the most impressive mysteries I've ever seen, but I think they are getting better. And I don't find this show unenjoyable at all, so it doesn't bother me that much. I think so too. To me, this show is entertaining and if I really want a good mystery I'd probably read a book. |
| Her French was pretty cute. Looks like Avril will be a recurring, if not supporting character. |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
| Well, it was obvious the girl was a bad guy but they did throw in some more twists that made it interesting. |
| i just luv victorique's, blushing face, its sooooo adorable c: |
| This was a great episode although a little simplistic for the mystery. I am very much ashamed to admit that was completely trolled about my last large theory. I was right in a sense but Avril would have to be replaced with “fake”. That being said I advise people to be careful of throw offs like the biker story and the MOE of Victorique such as in the spoiler That being said I find the real Avril very cute as seen from the following pic,  She is way more adorable than Kuiaran the second. Now to elaborate on this episode, I have to say that the culprit is a copycat of Kuiaran the 2nd. She was smart enough to use ghost stories as her own metaphors on her crime and hiding of the precious object. The Golden Fairy is just a analogy comparing to Victorique, it’s a throw off in this episode completely as was the biker last episode apart from what I mentioned it could be related to. From the very beginning I wondered how Grevil got word of a Phantom thief around the village less the culprit proclaimed herself of being proud of her copycat ideal. Regardless he sure was though of getting a large fortune but Grevil mentions he suddenly died or retired. Victorique pointed out quite well the whole story about him with a nice depiction of him. He was though of have caused a bad luck illness on Milli, perhaps why she fell in love with him apart from his beauty. The Academy was a ideal place to hide his things because everyone respected and knew him there. Following through I knew it was the culprit that hit Kujo when he lost conscious. That book was too obvious to be hidden. Coincidentally Kujo was found by the culprit herself, which easily asked assistance from a strong male. The sudden expression of the culprit regarding Kujo’s panic of searching for the book was the immediate obvious give away. I also knew that he ghost story was in fact a metaphor meaning something else like this, which insinuates that there is a person in there. I deducted by a changing meanings. Judging by another expression of Kuiaran the 2nd she is interested in the Golden Fairy book. It could be that with this the culprit knew of Victorique somehow but was not sure until Kujo proved her wrong and her expression changed. Comes the differentiation of both in the spoiler So being about the stamp back in the 1924s I think stamps were not invented that long ago thus why the first world stamp may have been stolen back in the 1916s. For that stamp to mean that much to the culprit for her going as far as choking Kujo to death by most likely trying to kill him through sending him on the stairs, it must be worth a lot. In the end Victorique saving Kujo’s ass by throwing all these books on the culprit made the day for me. That was a nice effort of her. Rest in spoiler |
Yumekichi11Feb 6, 2011 3:31 AM
| The crappiness of this season has left me in despair This show reminds me of death note in how illogical the characters deductions sometimes are. And by that I mean they come to conclusions that they couldn't have come to with the information they have on hand. |
| Pretty good episode.... But Victorique's some logics just don't make sense.... :P |
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belatkuro said: The show's slipping a bit for me. It's not that the mystery is easy or hard, it's the way the solution to it was delivered. It lacks some kind of impact when it is being solved. This and Kujo is getting annoying with saying "Victorique" every few seconds. Victorique was adorable in the last parts with her blushing but overall, I feel myself getting bored with the show. Bumping down my score. This... i was really bored when i finished this episode. the way victoriqa find that book. it lacks impact. also when she told kujo in episode 4, you saw a blond girl. i was like WTH, oh well. mystery is not my genre to begin with. i need more slice of life and comedy with victorica. who cares about mysteries. |
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| This episode was quite ok for Gosick standards and things actually made a little sense. But I agree with belatkuro, the impact was lacking and Kujou is getting annoying with his loli fetish. AmberFebruary said: so basically we have two kinds of viewers here, those that like it "spoon fed" and those that can literally think for themselves and do their homework. and those spoon fed guys likes it to be a full narrative explanation where every part of the deduction need to be explained because they can't comprehend it and in the end saying it is far fetched, a lucky guess, and unbelievable. and seriously this guys have never seen Sherlock Holmes w/c is what GOSICK is famously based into. Oh look, deduction based on...nothing. Why does it reminds me of this show? Seriously, the sole reason why Gosick isn't working for me most of the time is because I have read a lot of Doyle's works. Now, you explained two of her recent deductions but I really want to see your explanation of the wire-case last episode. Why did the murder had to be a woman or a child? How did seeing the blond murder lead Kujou to fantasize about his dream girl being blond? Those still make no sense whatsoever. |
| did she die? she got textbooks thrown on her and fell off the stairs |
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| Well, I guess most of the people here couldn't predict the outcome of this mystery. I certainly couldn't. Although some of the explanations are still a bit far fetched (the wire murder), I'm much more satisfied with the explanation overall. Kujo is indeed getting quite annoying wit his "Victorica!" every 5 seconds, but luckily this episode also provided lots of cool and cute scenes. Victorica with her candy and the hiding place she has were great, but the way she scowled and blushed in the end was the best. Like how she owned the impostor as well! Still wonder what happened to the Avril impostor in the end though. Looking forward to the next mystery, although the preview doesn't bode well with Victorica saying "It's over between us"! =O |
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| The mystery wasn't all too enticing, but the episode was alright. Looking forward to the next arc coming up. |
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| Kujou was quite annoying... seriously why is he so stupid + a pussy? The previous "arc" i guess he was like this but he made up for in the hand to hand combat, but here all that got reduced to nothing as well. Where did his pride suddenly disappear to? I mean he got thrown down a staircase by a woman, and got confused just because someone said he's a lonely little boy... and he had to be saved by a little girl? I mean seriously. Kujou, you disappoint me. You are not a man in my eyes. Grow some fucking balls. Oh yeah and Victorica was counting in French... Hm... she probably learned French because she lives in the library, which could mean she knows other languages. And yeah those mysteries aren't really mysteries... I'm not sure why Kujou seems to think she's remarkably intelligent... >.> Actually I am... it's because he's quite stupid and anyone smarter than him will seem like a genius to him. *sigh* |
CRAZEH247Feb 6, 2011 4:26 PM
| dam........ i got my ass kicked on this one...well i was wrong T T totally didn't see the "i kidnapped avril and took her place" thing. i felt like i got sacked on that one. the hiding the book was kind of far fetched for me but i don't really care. the phantom thief(or whatnot) was maxim LOL. whats the fake avril's name? and victorique said the theif hid everything in the school, i wanna see them +.+ LOVE THE TEACHER i like how maxim use the mysteries to cover up his deeds. after this episode i'm even more curious about victoique, but seeing where this animess is going; not much will be explained. this anime is not going well on my part. i was hoping things would get deeper by this episode but T T |
| Hide behind the mighty wall of internet, i shall |
| Counting in French was awesome :P Anyways ... this mystery was all right I suppose ... didn't expect Avril to be merely an impersonator though :O Oh and lol at the sensei, she's hilarious XD Kind of wish Kujo would get a grip and stop depending on Victorica for like EVERY SINGLE THING -_-" Then again, can she solve every single mystery? I mean ... they're not really mysteries right? :P Oh well ... so I guess real Avril is staying? :O |
| The mysteries are good so far, but they lack the impact upon solving :/ Will still be watching coz i <3 tsunderes |
| オタクなんじゃねぃよ I'm not an otaku. |
| Good twist there. Real Avril seems likeable and Sensei still is amusing. xD Ending blush = WIN!! |
| Victorique was just too great this episode. She ate sweets that looked like dog feces, dropped books on someone's head, and we got a cute blushing scene in the end. Something did seem wrong with "Avril" but I didn't even think it was an imposter. |
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| Wow that was a really quick end to that arc, was there any reason for that biker guy dying at the beginning? |
| Fun ep, though as mentioned earlier, the way Victorique pulls the answers out of her sleeve, without any deduction is kinda meh. Seeing I was right about (fake)Avril not being the murderer, only to find she was a thief instead was lol. Trolled indeed. I was just wondering: given Victrique's height, wouldn't she have to stand on the 14th step to reach the book? CookieMonstah said: Wow that was a really quick end to that arc, was there any reason for that biker guy dying at the beginning? Yep, that case was the red herring. But it was a bit disappointing we never got to hear what the reason behind that murder was. All we know is that the girl captured in ep 4 killed him, without giving a motivation for it. |
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| Explain to me how a lady like Avril(fake) can overpower Kujo. Especially the part where she strangles him. Dude not cool. |
| check out the 2 main seiyuus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scT4wQBexQY |
| Ｇeso -----:D |
darkerealm said: Explain to me how a lady like Avril(fake) can overpower Kujo. Especially the part where she strangles him. Dude not cool. Hahaha. A true gentleman never touches a lady in that manner, I suppose. He was lucky that Victorique's there to save him. |
twonline said: Pretty good episode.... But Victorique's some logics just don't make sense.... :P http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
| wow look at all these difficult mysteries victorique is solving no plot holes at all |
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| Ending part made me fly~~~>w< |
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| another few mysteries solved... I STILL don't trust the brunette teacher for some reason. How did she procure the book? hmmm. Love this show. |
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wheresthehandle said: twonline said: Pretty good episode.... But Victorique's some logics just don't make sense.... :P http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic i lol'd. "By the time you figure out what was wrong with that, it won't matter anymore!" Half an hour after the show is over, A. Random Viewer is staring into his refrigerator, vaguely bemused by the fact that his six-pack of beer has somehow become a two-pack of beer. Rather than work out how this might have happened, it occurs to him to wonder how in the hell Sydney Bristow went from Hungary to Melbourne, Australia, then to LA, all within 24 hours. |
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| Those in question of the stamp "Postage stamps have been carrying the mails of the world to their destinations since the 1840s. Before this time, ink and hand-stamps (hence the word 'stamp'), usually made from wood or cork, were often used to frank the mail and confirm the payment of postage. The first adhesive postage stamp, commonly referred to as the "Penny Black", was issued in the United Kingdom in 1840. The invention of the stamp was a part of the attempt to reform and improve the postal system in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, which in the early 19th century was in disarray and rife with corruption.There are varying accounts of the inventor or inventors of the stamp." it existed since 1840. as for those in question of why the hell the Fake Avril did not just runaway with that expensive stamp, because it was not her "real target" she infiltrated the academy as Avril Bradley because of Sir Bradley's Legacy that is said to have been left in the academy, that's why she hid the book first in a place no one would dare look but she found out Kujo found the book that's why she started looking for the stamp because it cannot be found when she check the book Kujo had taken. as for the reason on why Victorica deducted that Kujo saw the criminal not knowing he did back in episode 4 "Sexually speaking, men in particular 'may be driven to nurse their fantasies by looking at films and strip-tease shows, or by day-dreaming over pornographic material" - Fantasy (psychology) so basically, Kujo is fantasizing to find a girlfriend in that country (any will do) and now that morning she is tasked to buy some goods and is walking by the roadside,and now, not knowing he did (since humans are visually conscious of his surroundings, you might think we really just see straight ahead but our field of vision is almost at 180 degrees) he saw a "blonde haired girl", this drive his fantasizing to activate resulting in his daydreaming state, where is wishing to find a girlfriend in that country, and now for a noticeable feature this girl "might" have, she unconsciously remembered "the blonde hair" of the girl that drive his daydreaming. that's why as Victorica stated, "It has to do with your shameful daydream. Human are visual creatures. They react to stimuli that the eye can see. so why did you, of all people, begin lusting and daydreaming on the roadside this morning? You saw a girl with a blonde hair from the corner of your eye. That's why it showed up in your daydream. You saw the murderer without knowing you did." it's pure "psychological reasoning" and if not satisfied with it, go deeper to the realm of psychology w/c i have no plan to do. A girl like Victorica knowing it puts me to shame. ^^ as for the capture of the culprit, it's just one factor that Victorica have spouted. you still have that "wounded fingers" and "surgical hospital"(as shown in the blood at the end of the wire, it's not just a wound but a "cut") so tying the three things up, you have your murderer. and as for the criminal's method and unto why Glaviel skipped that possibility it is because as Victorica stated is a "elaborate method" i mean who would dare cut of a head of a moving bike's rider with a wire tying the wire across the road is simple but the wire to reach the proper height for the most vulnerable part of the body upon such velocity, "the neck" for instant kill reaching that point of height requires a lot of tries or elaborate planning (she may have tried it on other passersby). |
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DenjaX said: Completely right. How could it have been obvious when the phantom thief was first mentioned in this episode? WHY the heck people point that the "Fake" Avril is the culprit at the start of this arc? SHE is only a thief... The injury on her hand was caused by the real Avril as she bit her not from the wire... Predictable my ASS... I wasn't even expecting of a double until they introduce the thief in this episode... Reminds me of Kaito Kid that's why someone should be in disguise xDD Can you guys tell me which part is easy or obvious to you? The only obvious thing, was that she was a suspicious person. Basically the show never gave us much of a chance to solve the mystery ourselves so i guess that is it's problem. I don't like it when a mystery makes certain that the viewer never had a chance. Some guesses could have been made during the episode but a complete solution was impossible. I think now the show needs to focus on a bigger story. The whole prediction of the winners in WWII on that ship, still has elements that can be explored leading to one bigger plot. This was very very cute.  |
desolatoFeb 10, 2011 3:53 AM
| That was some fine twists there. First you thought then, a what then, wow. Maybe they really just want to start of with something simple. Though one of my guesses was the ghost was a live person. Despite mentioning that it looks like fecal matter she still ate it. lol She finally mentioned it. "He is my servant". Now she really reminds me of Shinku. OK maybe not. She need more attitude. darkerealm said: Explain to me how a lady like Avril(fake) can overpower Kujo. Especially the part where she strangles him. Dude not cool. He is a gentleman. A gentleman never hits a lady. Though she was not acting like one when she did that. |
AmberFebruary said: Nice explanation for the stamp! So it means that first world stamp was around 84 years old and making it the first, I would not imagine any less its immense fortune and how much would it be worth in the currency of that time, whatever may be that currency of the factious country. I concur your psychology statement, having been in College, you reminded me of some of my courses. Anyways I will be looking at you for some interesting analyzing and will try to focus some replies towards you. I think your stuff is good for this series. Thumbs up man! Keep it up! |
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Cenedess said: To have epic centric Sherlock Homes feeling. I kind of do but with MOE since Victorica is MOE. Real Sherlock Holmes is opposite, he is bad ass, serious and fights with his fist....what is the purpose of that smoking pipe if it's never actually smoked? -.- |
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