| Sachi > Kazuki > Yumiko > Amane > Makina >> Michiru. I'm surprised by the amount of love Michiru's getting in this forum. O__O |
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| ^ why so? Some people like funny excentric characters, is that so strange? |
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| Michiru is essentially a female Okabe...and you know how much people love him. |
| I think the part that makes the girls of Grisaia so top-tier in general is that they have extremely memorable, unique and entertaining personalities. Amane is the overly sexualized older sister character, but in a very likable way. Sacchi has the complete obedience syndrome and obsession with maid outfits and can do essentially anything when asked, while also having some great humorous dialogue, especially with Michiru. Speaking of which, Michiru's personality is kind of unheard of, I mean where the hell do you find a fake Tsundere who keeps up that kind of act just for fun, only because she wants to make her friends laugh? And Makina is just crazy and one of the funniest characters I've ever seen with the completely vulgar jokes, excentric behaviour and dat fkn accent :3 It's pretty much just about taking your pick regarding which characteristic floats your boat the best out of them, but for the same reason there's something I never really understood, and that's exactly why anyone would like Yumiko when compared to the other four. I mean if there's one thing I do not connect with the terms "memorable, unique and entertaining", it's being a cold antisocial loner who literally never adds anything to the conversations. She literally either hides away from the scene doing whatever on her own, or if she's actually there she'll just sit there emotionlessly and say nothing. There is effectively nothing drawing any attention to her whatsoever. Now, this isn't really her fault but rather I don't really think it was a very good idea to give her a Kuudere setting when placed with four other upbeat, lively and funny characters, so I mostly blame the writers on that part. It is true that once you crack open the shell and get into her Dere mode, there isn't much to complain about anymore, it's quite powerful after all, but the whole process up to that point just made me ask myself why in the fuck anyone would come this far if they were in Yuuji's shoes. /end rant |
HaXXspettenDec 14, 2013 3:42 AM
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| Well I think in an established setting that basically is full of "problem children" a character like Yumiko is probably the one you would most expect. Plus Yuuji is not a judging person at all, so something like that would never bother him in the first place (I mean he will judge in a humerous manner. But he would never actually belittle any of them seriously). Why like Yumiko though? Well mainly...the same reason all Kuudere's are appealing. Because they don't get all in your face at once with their personality, and it's something you can warm up slowly too. She's needed for balance if you ask me, because the other 4 are so bombastic all the time. Having her character reveal her endearing traits slowly in comparison almost seems like a necessity (and boy does she have a ton). Basically Yumiko is a cat and the rest of them are dogs. Though like said, it's all about our own preferences. At first I had the same concern you did, but she quickly became my favorite because I felt more rewarded for getting to know her character then the others. While Amane is probably my least favorite character wise (but still good). This is because she's just too pushy and whiny for my tastes (but I get the reasons behind that, and I still respect her character). Though like you said, Grisaia girls are top tier. Probably the most well rounded cast of girls in any VN ever. |
hyperknees91Dec 14, 2013 8:43 AM
| michiru has to be the worst for me. i get that she is supposed to be the tsundere character, but maybe that split personality thing doesnt rub off on me the right way. with that said, kazuki is my fav purely because of how smart and how much she can think ahead of other people. if it has to be one of the 5, so far amane is my fav. dat backstory... |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| im a little curious now... whats the big appeal of makina and michirus routes and story? makina to me is just a sex driven girl who has some bad family history, something about the father not being there and the mother just tossing money her way, and michiru is overtly annoying with the whole tsundere thing. i think i said it before somewhere, but the whole tsundere thing doesnt rub off on me well. its annoying most of the time. that one scene when michiru went by the ocean with the cat thing kinda showed a different side to her that piqued my interest. im all ears for anything that could spark the curiourity even more. honestly, the only thing that is saving michiru for me is the fact that i have almost cemented the thought of emi and lemons from KS onto michiru. thats the only thing saving her lol. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| Makina's story is basically mostly about Yuuji is the main appeal. As a character she's rather underdeveloped and dry compared to the rest of the girls though. Also her story has a lot more action in it then the other routes mainly. Michiru has a very odd story, it's not very believable but it's very entertaining. It's paced really well and has no slow parts if you ask me (it's also the shortest). But quite honestly I loved it even though I was expecting nothing like you were. It's a very psychological route. Prepare to feel incredibly bad for her if you play it. |
hyperknees91 said: Makina's story is basically mostly about Yuuji is the main appeal. As a character she's rather underdeveloped and dry compared to the rest of the girls though. Also her story has a lot more action in it then the other routes mainly. Michiru has a very odd story, it's not very believable but it's very entertaining. It's paced really well and has no slow parts if you ask me (it's also the shortest). But quite honestly I loved it even though I was expecting nothing like you were. It's a very psychological route. Prepare to feel incredibly bad for her if you play it. about makina: if by action you mean h-scenes, i believe amane has the most, that is, according to that gallery option. about michiru: sometimes, the shortest routes tend to be the best one. similar to KS, hanakos route is the shortest and hits pretty hard on the good ending. rins route was the longest (and dam full of metaphors and details about abstract stuff) but it was rewarding from its bad end. according to a chart, its actually neutral ending. rins route wasnt too pleasing until it hits you later on. my route plan for GnK is amane, sachi, sakaki, and either makina or michiru. still debating on it. if michirus route is the shortest, then i might save that for last. currently on sachis route. still cant believe she waited... that was kinda sad. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| By action I mean straight up...action. Like fights and stuff. Makina has the fewest h-scenes. Sachi's route is superb in every regard. Might be a little slow at times but overall its really good. |
hyperknees91 said: By action I mean straight up...action. Like fights and stuff. Makina has the fewest h-scenes. Sachi's route is superb in every regard. Might be a little slow at times but overall its really good. hmmm, i can kinda see where the fights might take place. there was that one thing about mao that never came up after the scene where makina goes to get ice cream. and i think he did teach makina a "super-defense technique" or another. im at sachis past right now. PTSD is no joke for some people. this should be good. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| When I mean "fights" I mean more like hollywood action. They involve Yuuji, not Makina. Hence why I said it's more Yuuji's route than Makina's haha. |
| @hitman THIS KIND OF ACTION get it now? :3 |
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| ...makina is now a sniper? seriously? makina jumps to the top 3 on my fav list. holy fuck XD |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
hitman555z said: ...makina is now a sniper? seriously? makina jumps to the top 3 on my fav list. holy fuck XD Dont be fooled. That might be, but Michiru is still master race. |
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Hidden_Joker said: tsunderes are a race separate from humanshitman555z said: ...makina is now a sniper? seriously? makina jumps to the top 3 on my fav list. holy fuck XD Dont be fooled. That might be, but Michiru is still master race. |
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| hyperknees did say michiru has a psychological route, so im still debating if i should play that before or after makinas route. im goin to take a gamble here. michiru got bullied plenty in school, and she only had anime and manga to comfort her, so she developed a split personality when she was in school (trying to be more popular and more eccentric) and then at home she would continue to be very quiet and reserved around her (possibly) abusive family. if not, then i atleast made a valiant attempt at something it could be, and it turned out pretty well. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| don't think about it too hard, just pick whatever you gut tells you to first, then do the other, not any more complicated than that |
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| yea, my gut is telling me to finish sachi route, then sakaki. whichever has a more lasting appeal, ill go for that one last. since you guys say michiru is master race, ill save it for last. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| well... I can't say Joker is completely unbiased in that regard so take that with a grain of salt :P they're extremely different in theme, style and even length anyway so it's pretty weird to compare directly, although from a pure entertainment point of view I'd say Makina's was the best route of the game, but it's mostly subjective (like almost everything is in the end) |
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| I'll just say I am shocked so many people like Michiru (she's my gf's favorite too). I thought she would annoy most people is all haha. But yeah she's a really good character. |
| Michiru is not your regular tsundere, her entire character setting is completely unique and has a lot of depth to it, don't really see what's not to like? Also even her pretend-tsun side is almost entirely in a humorous way (which is the whole point of it) rather than the more annoying beat-the-crap-out-of-the-MC-for-no-reason-24/7 like certain others do. Definitely one of the most unique characters I've ever seen, hence why I love her. On the other hand I could say the same but even more so for Makina ^_^ |
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| I didn't say she wasn't going to be not likable, just I'm shocked that she's the fan favorite here. I guess I didn't know who to expect really. I thought it would be Amane for some reason. |
hyperknees91 said: I didn't say she wasn't going to be not likable, just I'm shocked that she's the fan favorite here. I guess I didn't know who to expect really. I thought it would be Amane for some reason. would amane be considered canon route? if she is, thats possibly why she would appear to be the more popular one. but in terms of the story itself, apparently everyone likes michiru. i still think she is a bit too annoying at times. that may be subject to change of course. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| Amane...does feel like the most canon route, because I think her route has the most relevance to Yuuji's past, and therefore the overarching plot over the 3 games... Also, I disliked Michiru's personality at first too, but still, as I got to know the reasoning behind all that, she became absolutely lovable. |
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| well I haven't seen any real poll about it yet so I don't know who the most popular one is, but they all definitely are popular at least |
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HaXXspetten said: well I haven't seen any real poll about it yet so I don't know who the most popular one is, but they all definitely are popular at least this needs to be fixed. now. im not the best at handling forum polls, so if you can, please do attempt at one either here or at the VN petition club. or anywhere that would be packed with people who have played each route. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| There is no canon route. No I'm serious there is no canon route, the sequels don't take place after any of them. |
hitman555z said: there'd be way too few people voting for the results to mean anything whatsoever, I meant like a survey on Grisaia's official JP site or similar, you know like Key has done with their gamesHaXXspetten said: well I haven't seen any real poll about it yet so I don't know who the most popular one is, but they all definitely are popular at least this needs to be fixed. now. im not the best at handling forum polls, so if you can, please do attempt at one either here or at the VN petition club. or anywhere that would be packed with people who have played each route. and yeah I don't understand why some people are so obsessed with the whole idea of any route being the "canon route" when there quite clearly isn't one |
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| People want a canon route because either A: They are shippers or B: They want the story to have a logical buildup and conclusion. Unfortunately neither Grisaia and WA2 have either. They are probably the only 2 complicated VN's I've read where this is the case. |
| Just off the top of my head; Dracu-riot, IkiKoi, Katawa Shoujo, If My Heart Had Wings, My Girlfriend is the President, Yume Miru Kusiri, none of these have canon routes. HoshiMemo technically does have one (more like two really) but they honestly never felt any more canon than the others even if they were supposed to be. Generally it's mostly slice-of-life VNs that let it end like so. ...or what do you mean by "complicated" ? :P |
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| I guess I mean more..."lengthy" then actually complicated. You could say I find it odd that Grisaia didn't include a true route. Unless I have to accept Rakuen is the true route which I would find very sad. WA2 is an odd case where it has 3 parts of the game but still has no real true end. I guess you could say since I invested so much time into them I expected a logical conclusion to wrap everything up that the story built up to. |
hyperknees91 said: They want the story to have a logical buildup and conclusion. pretty much this in my case. if all games had multiple routes without a single route that leads to some sort of conclusion, that would be somewhat aggravating. take drakengard for instance: the first game has about 6 endings, with 2 of them leading to a split. it either goes into drakengard 2, or the other will go into NieR. drakengard 3 though may be an entirely different story. i hope it connects though. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| In Grisaia it's not a big deal though as there really isn't much of a story anyway. In WA2 it was a huge cop out to have no true ending in which case I'll agree...it's annoying as hell. |
| Big time Makina fan. Love everything about her, her eccentricity, her talents...everything lol. Her route was really good as well, only one that trumped it was Amane's which was simply god-tier. |
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Riptos said: Big time Makina fan. Love everything about her, her eccentricity, her talents...everything lol. Her route was really good as well, only one that trumped it was Amane's which was simply god-tier. http://oi44.tinypic.com/2ebthqq.jpg so far, amanes route has the impact of the story there. sachi has the... wonderful way with words lol. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
hyperknees91 said: In Grisaia it's not a big deal though as there really isn't much of a story anyway. In WA2 it was a huge cop out to have no true ending in which case I'll agree...it's annoying as hell. Ehhh? But i like the fact that WA2 has no true end. Or more like...well it feels like each heroine has a true end with the main. Everyone can be satisfied. |
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| that's not what a True end means though :3 |
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| true end typically means when all routes are either pushed aside and a new route opens up that leads to a conclusion that satisfies all characters, more or less, or it means that there is one specific character that is the canon route for the main character. basically, that route is available for those who want to see the way the game is supposed to end if no other route is something you want to see. |
| i feel as if i am ignored most of the time on here. well fuck you too then! |
| Meh you know what i mean. >_> this is getting so derailed though >_> SETSUNA MASTER RACE IN WA2 |
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| Well I wouldn't mind if WA2 was structured like Grisaia. That way, truly everyone can be satisfied. However with WA2 it made the entire story build up kind of meaningless as it just lead to random choices by the player. It kinda defeats the purpose of some of the foreshadowing and character development if you know what I mean. I'm fine with it in VN's that aren't so story based though. I'm also fine with it in FSN because it was pretty much 3 seperate stories that branched off really early on. |
hyperknees91Dec 19, 2013 3:39 PM
| Kazuki > Amane > Makina (used to think she was annoying, but then the feels came) > Sachi > Yumiko > Michiru (I don't know what I was expecting from her, but good god. My ears hurt) It's quite difficult to beat Kazuki's glorious hair, stoic expression, and brocon-ness. |
| I personally think Sachi = best girl... Her route, while sometimes slow paced was very good, the only one to make me shed manly tears of both joy and sadness. I actually liked how they went back and forth from H scene to feelz instead of getting the H scenes at one time and then the story afterwards. Funny story the choices somehow glitched out on me and the choice meant to send me to the good ending sent me to the bad one and it left an emotional scar on me for a long time.... I still cry about it. |
| One look at my anime list will tell you the kind of person I am... Is that good? |
| Can't we all just agree on Chizuru being the best girl and let that be the end of it? |
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| I'm not even ad the part where the plot is taring yet. But i like Makina the most. Design, character, the kind of flat chested you would do. Very cute very cute. Best figure go's to Sachi hands down. Michiru is like one of the most annoying VN characters i have ever seen. |
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| Say that after you've played her route, Michiru's "annoying" side is nowhere near as annoying when you know the reason behind it. |
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HaXXspetten said: The fact that she thought it would provoke a positive response from everyone is what bothers me. Granted, it might have worked the first time when she was younger, but at high school age? It's not like the students were that shallow.Say that after you've played her route, Michiru's "annoying" side is nowhere near as annoying when you know the reason behind it. |
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| On the topic of Michiru... After I playing everyone's route except her's and Yumiko's I was seriously debating if I even wanted to play hers. I decided to because I wanted to get 100% completion. And while she is still my least favorite, her route made me like her. |
| One look at my anime list will tell you the kind of person I am... Is that good? |
gamer2710 said: HaXXspetten said: The fact that she thought it would provoke a positive response from everyone is what bothers me. Granted, it might have worked the first time when she was younger, but at high school age? It's not like the students were that shallow.Say that after you've played her route, Michiru's "annoying" side is nowhere near as annoying when you know the reason behind it. It provoked a positive response from me. She literally chose to be the comedy relief, and I don't hate her for it. |
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