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Dec 5, 2016 7:02 PM
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First of all, if you have S;G or S;G0-related questions, please refer to the threads below: Q&A: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1574542 We also strongly recommend those who haven't watched/read the original Steins;Gate anime/VN to do so before watching/reading Steins;Gate 0 and partaking in any discussion on this board due to the possibility of unmarked S;G True End spoilers. The Steins;Gate board is this way. As you all know, these rules must be followed in the episode discussion threads: MAL-chan said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION THREAD. DO NOT DISCUSS THE VISUAL NOVEL BEYOND THIS EPISODE. - If you want to discuss (future) events in the VN, compare the anime with the VN, etc. please use a separate thread. This thread is only about this episode / this anime. This is the thread where you can do all of the above listed things that you can't do. In other words, this thread is for those who wish to talk about the anime and speculate or compare it to the VN, the original S;G VN or other S;G-related works. Of course you can also discuss the episodes here, without any limitations. You don't need to tag anything here, so for those who only have anime knowledge, be warned: There will be unmarked Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 spoilers; if you haven't played both games, approach this thread at your own peril. There are still rules that apply to the thread: - Do not spam in this thread. This isn't a chat thread or your twitter. - No piracy talk. - Trolling/baiting will not be tolerated. - Negative and differing opinions are of course welcome, but watch your language. - No waifu/shipping wars here. We have other threads for this. - That should be obvious, but this is a S;G discussion thread. If it doesn't have anything to do with S;G, don't talk about it here. That includes other SciAdv works, if they are not related to S;G and/or S;G 0. - For more rules/information see also the Anime Series Episode Discussion Rules and Site & Forum Guidelines. Please use the spoiler tags if you post a few pictures. Tag large pics in general too, please. Please use the report function to contact the mods if the derails get out of hand or if someone here is overly rude and/or starts insulting others or breaks the rules otherwise. Misc stuff: Steins;Gate fav character thread is now up...! |
OneTrueEmiyaDec 8, 2016 1:34 PM
Dec 5, 2016 7:04 PM
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Good good Just like every other VN adaption this will be a thread to talk about VN |
Dec 5, 2016 7:07 PM
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And waifu wars, don't forget the waifu wars :^) |
Dec 5, 2016 7:07 PM
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Gensan said: Good good Just like every other VN adaption this will be a thread to talk about VN We source material-fags need a place to convene when it comes to these matters, Gen. ;D How White Fox will handle it should be an interesting point of discussion futuristically for sure. |
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Dec 5, 2016 7:09 PM
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But what about Maho tan? do we have any HD Maho tan reaction? |
Dec 5, 2016 7:09 PM
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Shiza-sennin said: Gensan said: Good good Just like every other VN adaption this will be a thread to talk about VN We source material-fags need a place to convene when it comes to these matters, Gen. ;D How White Fox will handle it should be an interesting point of discussion futuristically for sure. This. As you guys know, S;G 0 isn't anywhere as linear as the original, it'd be interesting to see how/whether then can adapt both the "Near Side" and "Far Side" routes in one go. Gensan said: But what about Maho tan? do we have any HD Maho tan reaction? HD Maho for sale :3 |
Dec 5, 2016 7:10 PM
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Shiza-sennin said: How White Fox will handle it should be an interesting point of discussion futuristically for sure. I'll quote myself from other thread for this matter Gensan said: HaXXspetten said: I think Kagari would be fine.Gensan said: HaXXspetten said: The most logical adaption would be adapting Kurisu route and then jump to Mayuri route at shrine scene when okabe sent the "deceive yourselves/the world message"OneTrueEmiya said: Well I just finished it a few minutes ago so yeah I'm kinda wondering this too. I mean it's obvious how it'll end but the thing is the game is like split into two general branches, each of them having quite drastically different events and having 3 of the 6 endings each. On one side you have Twin Automata, Recursive Mother Goose and The Promised Rinascimento, and on the other side you have Gehenna's Stigma, Vega and Altair, and Milky-way Crossing. Since the True ending is only on one of those sides, I'm not sure how you could fit even the general events of the other side into one coherent storyline in anime format, and skipping that entirely would be a huge loss. They might have to do some rewriting to try to tie some of the key plot points from that side together with the other one somehowI'm...not entirely sure how they plan to adapt 0 after playing halfway through it. Don't get me wrong, it's 11/10 but a lot of its charm lies in its visual novel format. Regardless, I'll still be patiently waiting for this. After all, is this not the choice of Steins Gate? ;) Side route will be skipped which will be a disappointed, while they're not that relevant to the entire s;g 0 plot point, those routes fleshed out a lot of character development and characterization. *sighs* But original s;g also skip side route and work fine, so there's that. They must adapt entire kurisu route and entire Mayuri route(from shrine scene to true end). So while Kagari route will be skipped, Kurisu and mayuri route would be fine for kagari's characterization and development. What i'm worry about is actually Maho's character, because i think we will get 3 routes adapt Kurisu > Mayuri > True end Kagari, Maho and stigma will be skipped. 2 of the skip routes have big relation to Maho. I'm afraid anime will portray her as nothing more than meaningless kurisu replacement. now discuss |
Dec 5, 2016 7:15 PM
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OneTrueEmiya said: Shiza-sennin said: Gensan said: Good good Just like every other VN adaption this will be a thread to talk about VN We source material-fags need a place to convene when it comes to these matters, Gen. ;D How White Fox will handle it should be an interesting point of discussion futuristically for sure. This. As you guys know, S;G 0 isn't anywhere as linear as the original, it'd be interesting to see how/whether then can adapt both the "Near Side" and "Far Side" routes in one go. Gensan said: But what about Maho tan? do we have any HD Maho tan reaction? HD Maho for sale :3 Poor Maho-tan is tired of all this VN talk. Quick, turn on some Mozart! |
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Dec 5, 2016 7:17 PM
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OneTrueEmiya said: WORSHIP THE LEGAL RORIShiza-sennin said: Gensan said: Good good Just like every other VN adaption this will be a thread to talk about VN We source material-fags need a place to convene when it comes to these matters, Gen. ;D How White Fox will handle it should be an interesting point of discussion futuristically for sure. This. As you guys know, S;G 0 isn't anywhere as linear as the original, it'd be interesting to see how/whether then can adapt both the "Near Side" and "Far Side" routes in one go. Gensan said: But what about Maho tan? do we have any HD Maho tan reaction? HD Maho for sale :3 MAHO MEME SHALL RISE |
Dec 5, 2016 7:18 PM
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Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end |
Dec 5, 2016 7:25 PM
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OneTrueEmiya said: Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route? nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. EIDT: I would love them to include maho's interlude about Amadeus and Salieri somewhere in kurisu route though That would add a bit to her character and relationship with Kurisu. |
Dec 5, 2016 7:29 PM
#12
Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route?Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end |
Dec 5, 2016 7:34 PM
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OneTrueEmiya said: YeahGensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end But what i'm worried about is Maho character 2 routes that has big relevance to her will be skipped (Bad end and Maho end) ;____; lots of her characterization and development won't appear in anime RIP Maho tan well shall make her meme live forever |
GensanDec 5, 2016 7:39 PM
Dec 5, 2016 7:47 PM
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Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: YeahGensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route?Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end But what i'm worried about is Maho character 2 routes that has big relevance to her will be skipped (Bad end and Maho end) ;____; lots of her characterization and development won't appear in anime RIP Maho tan well shall make her meme live forever True, but then what they can do is make the Maho x Okabe scene in Faris' bedroom include the Amadeus-Salieri talk. Or maybe on Kurisu's route when Okabe reveals everything to Maho (pre-Kyouma revival). It might be a bit awkward to slot it in but these scenes imo are about the only times they can do that. Anime-only ppl potentially missing out on this too ;___; |
Dec 5, 2016 7:52 PM
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Tell us your most memorable experience in S;G 0 Ok i think i'm a bit diferent from everyone regarding this since i cleared "Nears side" first and "Far side" later. The most different thing about my experience here would be Kagari twist and red herring So yeah to me i see Yuki as kagari Even the real one In "Far side" when the real kagari appeared tbh i still doubt her existence of whether she's a real one or not. Remember when Rounder attacked the lab in Stray sheep chapter? yeah Yuki was out Rounder attacked Suzuha attacked one rounder Okabe confirm that it wasn't moeka that attacked the lab Yuki has bruise mark on the same place as where Suzuha attacked the rounder And with the info that Yuki was actually Kagari with plastic surgery in Mayuri route I must say author successfully make me doubt the entire Kurisu route plot point. Doubt what is real and what isn't. well played S;G 0 fucking red herring GG OneTrueEmiya said: Yea the song hunting will be skipped too ;____;Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route?Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end But what i'm worried about is Maho character 2 routes that has big relevance to her will be skipped (Bad end and Maho end) ;____; lots of her characterization and development won't appear in anime RIP Maho tan well shall make her meme live forever True, but then what they can do is make the Maho x Okabe scene in Faris' bedroom include the Amadeus-Salieri talk. Or maybe on Kurisu's route when Okabe reveals everything to Maho (pre-Kyouma revival). It might be a bit awkward to slot it in but these scenes imo are about the only times they can do that. Anime-only ppl potentially missing out on this too ;___; I think when Amadeus is calling for help and then time line jump at that place rather than immediately jump to alpha they should show the divergence meter hit alpha Attractor Field and end the episode right there next episode start with Maho interlude about Amadeus and Salieri then OP and continue the story as normal. That interlude is where Maho metaphorically compares and talk about her relationship with Kurisu. (though we still miss the part where Moeka gives Maho a final push and get over her complexity) ;___; |
GensanDec 6, 2016 6:11 PM
Dec 5, 2016 8:07 PM
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All I know about the eventual anime adaptation is that i'm going to be a little disappointed when they don't adapt the fun Moeka stuff from the Maho ending, x.x |
Dec 6, 2016 3:57 PM
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If they are smart they'll just adapt Mayuri's route with some stuff from other routes. It's the only route worth doing and I'd probably prefer it to my game experience if they do that. |
Dec 6, 2016 5:54 PM
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hyperknees91 said: If they are smart they'll just adapt Mayuri's route with some stuff from other routes. It's the only route worth doing and I'd probably prefer it to my game experience if they do that. They'd still have to have Kurisu's route before Mayuri's though. Even in VN gameplay terms we had to beat Promised Rinascimento to get to True End. |
Dec 6, 2016 6:10 PM
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Takamura-sama said: Damn you hit bad end. how many ending have you cleared already?Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: Gensan said: Takamura-sama said: ............................................................Gensan said: Well, the pc patch is out. there's that. It's out for over a week lmao And? Vita master race :3 D: D: D: D: well the text in PC version had some glitch when i played You already finished the game? Im at the point where: that guy tried to kill Okabe, that legal loli and professor. And that suzuha is sick |
Dec 6, 2016 9:03 PM
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Most memorable experience in S;G 0? Damn, there's tons of stuff but because I cleared Maho route and then continued onto Kagari route, it's got to be Okabe getting shifted back to the alpha world line where he meets Kurisu one last time. They didn't kiss or say "I love you" or anything like that, but it's obvious from how they acted in that scene that they're well aware of their lingering affection with each other. It's also breathtaking to see Alpha Kurisu interact with Okabe again; as characters they just work off each other so well. Keep in mind she's also the only character in 0 who realised instantly that Okabe jumped worlds, and also deduced the general circumstance around the jump. This is how in-tune she is with Okabe. And if Okabe didn't leap into that world, Kurisu would've seen Alpha Okabe off by herself, without anyone to lean on. Sure, the world line didn't "exist" before Okabe leapt into it, but the very implication that Kurisu could be erasing herself without even a single person realising she did it hit me hard. And of course, Kurisu asking Okabe to forget her and treat this meeting as a dream. The exact opposite of what she requested Okabe to do back in S;G. She'd face her greatest fear and allow herself to be erased from everyone's memory just to see Okabe smile again. It took one scene and less than 30 mins for Kurisu to cement her role as best girl once again. CurseGoddess said: All I know about the eventual anime adaptation is that i'm going to be a little disappointed when they don't adapt the fun Moeka stuff from the Maho ending, x.x Faris sleepover scene, Moeka+Maho unbrella scene and Moeka vs Professor COME INTO ME KURISU RIP Twin Automata ;___; |
OneTrueEmiyaDec 6, 2016 9:09 PM
Dec 7, 2016 5:37 AM
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OneTrueEmiya said: hyperknees91 said: If they are smart they'll just adapt Mayuri's route with some stuff from other routes. It's the only route worth doing and I'd probably prefer it to my game experience if they do that. They'd still have to have Kurisu's route before Mayuri's though. Even in VN gameplay terms we had to beat Promised Rinascimento to get to True End. Unless they make dramatic changes I'd rather it just be implied. Everything about that route was just boring. |
Dec 7, 2016 8:51 PM
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OneTrueEmiya said: Most memorable experience in S;G 0? Damn, there's tons of stuff but because I cleared Maho route and then continued onto Kagari route, it's got to be Okabe getting shifted back to the alpha world line where he meets Kurisu one last time. They didn't kiss or say "I love you" or anything like that, but it's obvious from how they acted in that scene that they're well aware of their lingering affection with each other. It's also breathtaking to see Alpha Kurisu interact with Okabe again; as characters they just work off each other so well. Keep in mind she's also the only character in 0 who realised instantly that Okabe jumped worlds, and also deduced the general circumstance around the jump. This is how in-tune she is with Okabe. And if Okabe didn't leap into that world, Kurisu would've seen Alpha Okabe off by herself, without anyone to lean on. Sure, the world line didn't "exist" before Okabe leapt into it, but the very implication that Kurisu could be erasing herself without even a single person realising she did it hit me hard. And of course, Kurisu asking Okabe to forget her and treat this meeting as a dream. The exact opposite of what she requested Okabe to do back in S;G. She'd face her greatest fear and allow herself to be erased from everyone's memory just to see Okabe smile again. It took one scene and less than 30 mins for Kurisu to cement her role as best girl once again. Dem feel ;___; what if whitefox fucked up that scene? |
Dec 8, 2016 12:13 PM
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oh shit,you guys already finished it? i guess it's time to binge read |
Dec 9, 2016 2:36 AM
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Gensan said: Tell us your most memorable experience in S;G 0 Ok i think i'm a bit diferent from everyone regarding this since i cleared "Nears side" first and "Far side" later. The most different thing about my experience here would be Kagari twist and red herring So yeah to me i see Yuki as kagari Even the real one In "Far side" when the real kagari appeared tbh i still doubt her existence of whether she's a real one or not. Remember when Rounder attacked the lab in Stray sheep chapter? yeah Yuki was out Rounder attacked Suzuha attacked one rounder Okabe confirm that it wasn't moeka that attacked the lab Yuki has bruise mark on the same place as where Suzuha attacked the rounder And with the info that Yuki was actually Kagari with plastic surgery in Mayuri route I must say author successfully make me doubt the entire Kurisu route plot point. Doubt what is real and what isn't. well played S;G 0 fucking red herring GG OneTrueEmiya said: Yea the song hunting will be skipped too ;____;Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: YeahGensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route?Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end But what i'm worried about is Maho character 2 routes that has big relevance to her will be skipped (Bad end and Maho end) ;____; lots of her characterization and development won't appear in anime RIP Maho tan well shall make her meme live forever True, but then what they can do is make the Maho x Okabe scene in Faris' bedroom include the Amadeus-Salieri talk. Or maybe on Kurisu's route when Okabe reveals everything to Maho (pre-Kyouma revival). It might be a bit awkward to slot it in but these scenes imo are about the only times they can do that. Anime-only ppl potentially missing out on this too ;___; I think when Amadeus is calling for help and then time line jump at that place rather than immediately jump to alpha they should show the divergence meter hit alpha Attractor Field and end the episode right there next episode start with Maho interlude about Amadeus and Salieri then OP and continue the story as normal. That interlude is where Maho metaphorically compares and talk about her relationship with Kurisu. (though we still miss the part where Moeka gives Maho a final push and get over her complexity) ;___; I ended up taking @OneTrueEmiya 's suggested path, and I feel like it worked perfectly, with the exception of the Gajin End (would be sudden no matter when you play it. xD) Kurisu -> Mayuri -> True just felt beyond perfect to me. As for the my most memorable experience... I would easily have to say that the final stretch of the Mayuri route really hit me hard. Okabe's insistence on avoiding to use the time machine rears its head in the ugliest way imaginable to the point he attacks Maho's character by accusing her of trying to return to the Alpha Worldline. Daru's anger and subsequent punch just blew me away. Unlike with Suzuha in Kurisu route, I did not expect this. To me, it highlighted just how frustrated he had become with his friend and could not bear to deal with him like this. His heated conversation with Maho afterwards was showing the cracks... She was pushing him to realize that failure isn't the end, and of course this is important when the climax of the route comes. Mayuri overhearing this conversation of course leads into the spiral of events surrounding the beginning of the Third World War. Okabe is caught up in the midst of all this and discovers important truths that will come into play just hours later. Again, he is brought to the valley of despair in seeing the apparent death of Mayuri and Suzuha with the time machine's destruction. Taking Mayuri's phone, he reads her final message she had given him, bringing him to tears. And unironically, just as he had become Hououin Kyouma for her in the past, he was going to do it again. He finally came to the point where he refused to keep over and accept the despair he was facing, which is very unlike the conclusion he reaches in the Gajin End. He leaps back to the past once again, arriving to warn everyone of the events that are about to occur. His face-to-face conversation with Mayuri this time makes him realize an important fact -- he is not alone. He had friends that were willing to help him shoulder the burden every step of the way. His lab members were the reason he could keep on going, no matter the despair. The time machine escapes. The little time he bought was unable to stop the war, but Mayuri and Suzuha were saved. And saved to complete their mission, of course. The mission to reach Steins Gate. And when facing the forces that would bring the world to its knees... Hououin Kyouma laughed. "--Madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Einsten had once said that, when he despaired of human folly. But now, I would gladly give myself over to that madness and folly. I would use every bit of dedication and obsession within me to seek the lone different outcome, which the laws of God could not reach." |
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Dec 9, 2016 3:54 AM
#25
Shiza-sennin said: Gensan said: Tell us your most memorable experience in S;G 0 Ok i think i'm a bit diferent from everyone regarding this since i cleared "Nears side" first and "Far side" later. The most different thing about my experience here would be Kagari twist and red herring So yeah to me i see Yuki as kagari Even the real one In "Far side" when the real kagari appeared tbh i still doubt her existence of whether she's a real one or not. Remember when Rounder attacked the lab in Stray sheep chapter? yeah Yuki was out Rounder attacked Suzuha attacked one rounder Okabe confirm that it wasn't moeka that attacked the lab Yuki has bruise mark on the same place as where Suzuha attacked the rounder And with the info that Yuki was actually Kagari with plastic surgery in Mayuri route I must say author successfully make me doubt the entire Kurisu route plot point. Doubt what is real and what isn't. well played S;G 0 fucking red herring GG OneTrueEmiya said: Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: YeahGensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route?Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end But what i'm worried about is Maho character 2 routes that has big relevance to her will be skipped (Bad end and Maho end) ;____; lots of her characterization and development won't appear in anime RIP Maho tan well shall make her meme live forever True, but then what they can do is make the Maho x Okabe scene in Faris' bedroom include the Amadeus-Salieri talk. Or maybe on Kurisu's route when Okabe reveals everything to Maho (pre-Kyouma revival). It might be a bit awkward to slot it in but these scenes imo are about the only times they can do that. Anime-only ppl potentially missing out on this too ;___; I think when Amadeus is calling for help and then time line jump at that place rather than immediately jump to alpha they should show the divergence meter hit alpha Attractor Field and end the episode right there next episode start with Maho interlude about Amadeus and Salieri then OP and continue the story as normal. That interlude is where Maho metaphorically compares and talk about her relationship with Kurisu. (though we still miss the part where Moeka gives Maho a final push and get over her complexity) ;___; I ended up taking @OneTrueEmiya 's suggested path, and I feel like it worked perfectly, with the exception of the Gajin End (would be sudden no matter when you play it. xD) Kurisu -> Mayuri -> True just felt beyond perfect to me. As for the my most memorable experience... I would easily have to say that the final stretch of the Mayuri route really hit me hard. Okabe's insistence on avoiding to use the time machine rears its head in the ugliest way imaginable to the point he attacks Maho's character by accusing her of trying to return to the Alpha Worldline. Daru's anger and subsequent punch just blew me away. Unlike with Suzuha in Kurisu route, I did not expect this. To me, it highlighted just how frustrated he had become with his friend and could not bear to deal with him like this. His heated conversation with Maho afterwards was showing the cracks... She was pushing him to realize that failure isn't the end, and of course this is important when the climax of the route comes. Mayuri overhearing this conversation of course leads into the spiral of events surrounding the beginning of the Third World War. Okabe is caught up in the midst of all this and discovers important truths that will come into play just hours later. Again, he is brought to the valley of despair in seeing the apparent death of Mayuri and Suzuha with the time machine's destruction. Taking Mayuri's phone, he reads her final message she had given him, bringing him to tears. And unironically, just as he had become Hououin Kyouma for her in the past, he was going to do it again. He finally came to the point where he refused to keep over and accept the despair he was facing, which is very unlike the conclusion he reaches in the Gajin End. He leaps back to the past once again, arriving to warn everyone of the events that are about to occur. His face-to-face conversation with Mayuri this time makes him realize an important fact -- he is not alone. He had friends that were willing to help him shoulder the burden every step of the way. His lab members were the reason he could keep on going, no matter the despair. The time machine escapes. The little time he bought was unable to stop the war, but Mayuri and Suzuha were saved. And saved to complete their mission, of course. The mission to reach Steins Gate. And when facing the forces that would bring the world to its knees... Hououin Kyouma laughed. "--Madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Einsten had once said that, when he despaired of human folly. But now, I would gladly give myself over to that madness and folly. I would use every bit of dedication and obsession within me to seek the lone different outcome, which the laws of God could not reach." Gaijin end lmao, tfw every other end is a girl and then suddenly LINTAROOO~ And yeah, agreed that that part of Mayuri route was breathtaking. Goddamn seeing Daru finally snap and Okabe hurt Maho like that...that was something I could've never predicted. And Mayuri actually making a move to help Okabe (thus explaining why she was so OOC back in S;G when she slapped him)? The story's come full-circle! For me though, it was still Okabe's revival in the Kurisu route that stuck with me the most. He'd been depressed for more than 15 gameplay hours, and seeing him finally find the resolve needed to defy fate was fantastic ;) |
Dec 9, 2016 4:24 AM
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OneTrueEmiya said: Shiza-sennin said: Gensan said: Tell us your most memorable experience in S;G 0 Ok i think i'm a bit diferent from everyone regarding this since i cleared "Nears side" first and "Far side" later. The most different thing about my experience here would be Kagari twist and red herring So yeah to me i see Yuki as kagari Even the real one In "Far side" when the real kagari appeared tbh i still doubt her existence of whether she's a real one or not. Remember when Rounder attacked the lab in Stray sheep chapter? yeah Yuki was out Rounder attacked Suzuha attacked one rounder Okabe confirm that it wasn't moeka that attacked the lab Yuki has bruise mark on the same place as where Suzuha attacked the rounder And with the info that Yuki was actually Kagari with plastic surgery in Mayuri route I must say author successfully make me doubt the entire Kurisu route plot point. Doubt what is real and what isn't. well played S;G 0 fucking red herring GG OneTrueEmiya said: Yea the song hunting will be skipped too ;____;Gensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: YeahGensan said: OneTrueEmiya said: But how can Faris Maho and Moeka fun fit with Kurisu route?Agreed @Gensan mostly. I'd love it if they incorporated part of Maho and Kagari routes in Kurisu route though. It'd be like: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route until Okabe returns to Jan 31, 2011 -> Maho, Faris and Moeka fun + Kyouma fun -> Kurisu route climax + revival -> D-mail sent -> Mayuri route -> True end nothing can trigger that event i think unless maho apartment got attacked but that would mean there won't be any rounder attack on lab which is part of Kurisu plot. Ah you're right, rip girls' sleepover ;__; So it'd just be: S;G True End pre-Operation Skuld -> Shrine branch -> Kurisu route -> flashback to Kagari's past as Kurisu's memories are deleted (1 ep?) -> Kurisu route all the way until D-Mail is sent -> D-mail sent -> Back to Shrine branch -> Mayuri route -> True end But what i'm worried about is Maho character 2 routes that has big relevance to her will be skipped (Bad end and Maho end) ;____; lots of her characterization and development won't appear in anime RIP Maho tan well shall make her meme live forever True, but then what they can do is make the Maho x Okabe scene in Faris' bedroom include the Amadeus-Salieri talk. Or maybe on Kurisu's route when Okabe reveals everything to Maho (pre-Kyouma revival). It might be a bit awkward to slot it in but these scenes imo are about the only times they can do that. Anime-only ppl potentially missing out on this too ;___; I think when Amadeus is calling for help and then time line jump at that place rather than immediately jump to alpha they should show the divergence meter hit alpha Attractor Field and end the episode right there next episode start with Maho interlude about Amadeus and Salieri then OP and continue the story as normal. That interlude is where Maho metaphorically compares and talk about her relationship with Kurisu. (though we still miss the part where Moeka gives Maho a final push and get over her complexity) ;___; I ended up taking @OneTrueEmiya 's suggested path, and I feel like it worked perfectly, with the exception of the Gajin End (would be sudden no matter when you play it. xD) Kurisu -> Mayuri -> True just felt beyond perfect to me. As for the my most memorable experience... I would easily have to say that the final stretch of the Mayuri route really hit me hard. Okabe's insistence on avoiding to use the time machine rears its head in the ugliest way imaginable to the point he attacks Maho's character by accusing her of trying to return to the Alpha Worldline. Daru's anger and subsequent punch just blew me away. Unlike with Suzuha in Kurisu route, I did not expect this. To me, it highlighted just how frustrated he had become with his friend and could not bear to deal with him like this. His heated conversation with Maho afterwards was showing the cracks... She was pushing him to realize that failure isn't the end, and of course this is important when the climax of the route comes. Mayuri overhearing this conversation of course leads into the spiral of events surrounding the beginning of the Third World War. Okabe is caught up in the midst of all this and discovers important truths that will come into play just hours later. Again, he is brought to the valley of despair in seeing the apparent death of Mayuri and Suzuha with the time machine's destruction. Taking Mayuri's phone, he reads her final message she had given him, bringing him to tears. And unironically, just as he had become Hououin Kyouma for her in the past, he was going to do it again. He finally came to the point where he refused to keep over and accept the despair he was facing, which is very unlike the conclusion he reaches in the Gajin End. He leaps back to the past once again, arriving to warn everyone of the events that are about to occur. His face-to-face conversation with Mayuri this time makes him realize an important fact -- he is not alone. He had friends that were willing to help him shoulder the burden every step of the way. His lab members were the reason he could keep on going, no matter the despair. The time machine escapes. The little time he bought was unable to stop the war, but Mayuri and Suzuha were saved. And saved to complete their mission, of course. The mission to reach Steins Gate. And when facing the forces that would bring the world to its knees... Hououin Kyouma laughed. "--Madness is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Einsten had once said that, when he despaired of human folly. But now, I would gladly give myself over to that madness and folly. I would use every bit of dedication and obsession within me to seek the lone different outcome, which the laws of God could not reach." Gaijin end lmao, tfw every other end is a girl and then suddenly LINTAROOO~ And yeah, agreed that that part of Mayuri route was breathtaking. Goddamn seeing Daru finally snap and Okabe hurt Maho like that...that was something I could've never predicted. And Mayuri actually making a move to help Okabe (thus explaining why she was so OOC back in S;G when she slapped him)? The story's come full-circle! For me though, it was still Okabe's revival in the Kurisu route that stuck with me the most. He'd been depressed for more than 15 gameplay hours, and seeing him finally find the resolve needed to defy fate was fantastic ;) Gaijin-chan did well to introduce a new nickname for Okabe. It's what all the girls do! ;D Tbh, I still can't even choose between the Kurisu and Mayuri routes. They both essentially bring Okabe to the same realizations (the importance of the other lab mems, not giving up, Steins Gate needing to be reached over several worldlines, etc). The main difference is that the climax of each routes (at least to me) were different in that it was more of a gradual build in the Kurisu route and a sudden burst in the Mayuri route. That Mayuri message killed me though, in all honesty ;___; But hey, this is what happens when a Kurisufag and a Mayurifag discuss the routes. :v |
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Dec 10, 2016 9:16 PM
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There's one bad thing about S;G 0. It doesn't have Braun tube ending. smfh instant 1/10 |
Dec 10, 2016 9:29 PM
#28
Gensan said: There's one bad thing about S;G 0. It doesn't have Braun tube ending. smfh instant 1/10 No one can resist the appeal of Mista Braun-nyan~ |
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Dec 10, 2016 9:33 PM
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Shiza-sennin said: He's still GAR in that kawaii maid outfit though.Gensan said: There's one bad thing about S;G 0. It doesn't have Braun tube ending. smfh instant 1/10 No one can resist the appeal of Mista Braun-nyan~ |
Dec 11, 2016 12:01 AM
#30
Oh, I have a question regarding the Kurisu route, @Gensan. When Okabe sends the D-Rine, wouldn't the worldline shift to a worldline where Okabe indeed does connect the possibilities to deceive the world? The worldline changes in general are pretty fuzzy, but the whole point of the D-Rine was to encourage himself to come up with the route to Steins Gate. So wouldn't it shift him to True End Okabe's worldline? Or am I missing something here? |
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Dec 11, 2016 12:29 AM
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Shiza-sennin said: No, it doesn't give us information about which worldline K.Okabe (Kurisu route Okabe) shifts too. But I'm sure Oh, I have a question regarding the Kurisu route, @Gensan. When Okabe sends the D-Rine, wouldn't the worldline shift to a worldline where Okabe indeed does connect the possibilities to deceive the world? The worldline changes in general are pretty fuzzy, but the whole point of the D-Rine was to encourage himself to come up with the route to Steins Gate. So wouldn't it shift him to True End Okabe's worldline? Or am I missing something here? it's not true end. First at the end of true end, he mentions about the message his future self sent him. By this, he was implying that he doesn't have the memories of sending it. If True end okabe was K.Okabe, he wouldn't have "receiving memories" but "sending memories". Also True end worldline isn't exactly the same as Mayuri's worldline, notice the appearance of kagari at end. |
Dec 11, 2016 12:35 AM
#32
Gensan said: Shiza-sennin said: No, it doesn't give us information about which worldline K.Okabe (Kurisu route Okabe) shifts too. But I'm sure Oh, I have a question regarding the Kurisu route, @Gensan. When Okabe sends the D-Rine, wouldn't the worldline shift to a worldline where Okabe indeed does connect the possibilities to deceive the world? The worldline changes in general are pretty fuzzy, but the whole point of the D-Rine was to encourage himself to come up with the route to Steins Gate. So wouldn't it shift him to True End Okabe's worldline? Or am I missing something here? it's not true end. First at the end of true end, he mentions about the message his future self sent him. By this, he was implying that he doesn't have the memories of sending it. If True end okabe was K.Okabe, he wouldn't have "receiving memories" but "sending memories". Also True end worldline isn't exactly the same as Mayuri's worldline, notice the appearance of kagari at end. Ye, I know all that. But It would seem logical for it to send him to that worldline based on the contents of the message. The True End makes it clear that this isn't the case, but not knowing what that D-Mail does to K. Okabe is frustrating me. >_> Also, is it ever explained what Kagari goes to the past for in her route? |
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Dec 11, 2016 12:54 AM
#33
Shiza-sennin said: It never explained but i thinkGensan said: Shiza-sennin said: Oh, I have a question regarding the Kurisu route, @Gensan. When Okabe sends the D-Rine, wouldn't the worldline shift to a worldline where Okabe indeed does connect the possibilities to deceive the world? The worldline changes in general are pretty fuzzy, but the whole point of the D-Rine was to encourage himself to come up with the route to Steins Gate. So wouldn't it shift him to True End Okabe's worldline? Or am I missing something here? it's not true end. First at the end of true end, he mentions about the message his future self sent him. By this, he was implying that he doesn't have the memories of sending it. If True end okabe was K.Okabe, he wouldn't have "receiving memories" but "sending memories". Also True end worldline isn't exactly the same as Mayuri's worldline, notice the appearance of kagari at end. Ye, I know all that. But It would seem logical for it to send him to that worldline based on the contents of the message. The True End makes it clear that this isn't the case, but not knowing what that D-Mail does to K. Okabe is frustrating me. >_> Also, is it ever explained what Kagari goes to the past for in her route? She goes to the past for the same reason as Mayuri, iirc it implied that she goes in Mayuri's place after all. and it probably work for other wordline okabe. In some other worldline okabe, Instead of Mayuri, Kagari probably the one that gives Okabe another push on saving Kurisu. |
Dec 15, 2016 6:15 AM
#34
just finish the vn and i understand all but one thing. unless i misunderstood things, in mayuri's route it was revealed that the motorcycle chick is kagari with yuki's face. If that's true then who is that chick in kurisu's route? If she was yuki then how can suzuha was born? Did they cure her or something? In kurisu's route when okabe was shoved into the hell that is the future and then come back to the present with enough resolve to unseal hououin kyouma and take revange to fate itself. |
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Dec 15, 2016 12:09 PM
#35
I'm honestly confused about what happened in the ending with Moeka. What ever came of this? I don't feel like this was ever elaborated on, so i'm still not sure what she wanted with her... http://i.imgur.com/ha11FVv.jpg |
Dec 16, 2016 4:34 PM
#36
Ok, i finished the game right now, and i'n way, i like it the narration and characters very much, but in the other, i think that the game is not finished or something like that, or at least i not understand much thing... - Who is Yuki? A clon of Yuki or Suzuha with Kagari memories? - Kagari is not the daughter of Okabe and Kurisu in any world line? I think that i read that when novels come out, but in the game they don't say nothing about it. Then, why Kagari is like Kurisu? - Time machine C024 or whatever, at the end of true end, the time machine is another, Future Okabe in anime/original vs dont say that he names time machine c024 for cristina? - Kagari end, like in deja vu movie, is Kagari instead of Kurisu who saves Okabe telling the song, what it's the meaning of that? Why se recover her memories and why the guy that almost hit her with the car is the same? - Data Okabe in Kurisu router. He is the normal Okabe incarnated in the data backup that Maho did, right? I mean, he is not another Okabe, is the same Okabe that in the beginning of the game, and because the time leap, this time instead going to past or future Okabe brain, he goes to the data backup and overwrite it. Sorry for my english and thank you very much. |
Dec 17, 2016 6:17 AM
#37
Done with the game last night, this one sentence made me feel like a horrible human being. I hate myself I'm sorry we made you feel that way, Mayuri (I'm not even a Mayurifag but still) |
Dec 18, 2016 2:01 AM
#38
Anyone knows my questions? |
Dec 18, 2016 6:55 PM
#39
Moli_Malone said: Anyone knows my questions? 1. Depends on which branch. If you decide to answer the phone, which leads to the Leskinen end or Mayuri end, Yuki is Kagari who used plastic surgery to infiltrate the lab. If you turn off the phone, all the ends show Kagari in her normal appearance, so Yuki is Yuki. Yuki's arm injury is a red herring and is meant to throw off those who finished the Mayuri route before playing the "far side routes." The one in the motorcycle outfit is Judy Reyes. 2. S;G0 only borrows some elements from the novels, from what I have read. Her looking similar to Kurisu I think is just to further torture Okabe imo. 3. He most likely mentions it, just we weren't shown him mentioning it. We only were shown a small bit of the phone call to past!Okabe in Zero. 4. Yeah, this was conflicting with the Deja Vu movie. But if I had to choose between which was more accurate, it most likely is Zero. As for the truck, I read it as she had lost her memories to begin with because she was hit by a truck as a little girl, so facing a similar situation triggered her memories to return. 5. Yep. In that specific route, Okabe's memory data was backed up on 1/31/11. After Valkyrie recovered the data, they uploaded into the now broken Okabe's mind in the year 2036. Every time he time leaps from then on, it is these same memories that overwrite Okabe until he reaches 1/31/11 again. The main strange thing about the entire affair was that Okabe lost his memories between 1/15 and 1/31, with the last thing he remembered being wiping Kurisu's memory data from Kagari's mind. EDIT: In regards to 4, I thought about it and crafted my own little theory. Perhaps Kurisu influenced Okabe to help Mayuri specifically in the Steins Gate Worldline, considering the Deja Vu movie occurs after the events of Operation Skuld. Recall that in the SG worldline, Kagari has no reason to go back to the past w/ Suzuha as WWIII never happens. |
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Dec 19, 2016 11:35 AM
#40
Thank you very much, Shiza-sennin, i have any things more clear now. The only thing about 1 There is said in the game in any moment that Judy Reyes is the woman in the motorcycle outfit or it is jointed? I don't remember well. |
Dec 20, 2016 12:12 AM
#41
Moli_Malone said: Thank you very much, Shiza-sennin, i have any things more clear now. The only thing about 1 There is said in the game in any moment that Judy Reyes is the woman in the motorcycle outfit or it is jointed? I don't remember well. @Moli_Malone You're welcome, mate. Anything I can do to help. :D It is never explicitly stated, but I think it is heavily implied. First you have Okabe himself connecting the dots that it couldn't be Yuki in the Kurisu route iirc. Second, Suzuha and Okabe both make notes about Reyes' military experience, which clearly fits the skills needed to be the woman in the motorcycle outfit. Third, Reyes is shown to be working with the military in the Maho route. And finally, very few women have the proportions possessed by the woman in the motorcycle outfit. It can't be Yuki or Kagari for reasons I have explained, so it'd have to be Reyes. |
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Dec 20, 2016 9:08 AM
#42
Also finished yesterday. My only thought right now - Anime adaptation is the only hope now to wrap up this mess. I mean they didn't even showed Mayuri when she time traveled (Drama CD β - The Arc of Light of Infinity). Also story was focused on 2 routes (not that story in them is not important, but it was not exactly what we were looking from S;G0) and then like time skip where all things that needed to be showed in order to receive answers for main questions and we see true ending and that's all. They gave us major clues about everything but they just didn't show it explicitly. I know that many people will say that it was left to our own interpretation, but why? They did perfect with S;G, why didn't they do this with S;G0? S;G is not that kind of story where things left to our own interpretation is okay (Except true ending of original S;G, that was the whole point of the series). My main problems: They didn't explain Reading Steiner ability. Again, so many clues but they never explained it explicitly. Yes there are much more people than only Okabe with similar ability and it is understandable, but why Okabe has "Perfect Reading Steiner"? It's still pretty different from others. There was a lot of foreshadowing that it's just like overwriting memories that was discussed on conference and with maho. But what it actually was? Was it some very complicated machine that was created by someone from the (very distant) future that existed on every world line and somehow saved Okabe's memories right before WL change and overwrited it in new WL after? We never knew this. They didn't explain mechanic of locked video message. This is probably the biggest problem, they just send it, The end. Why in that particular time span? How it was working? The whole "time skip" between A&V end and MWC. Cmon, at least some flashbacks or fast/forward scenes of how it all leaded to MWC. I heard somewhere here that there is some "Amadeus script" but I don't see any opportunity to read it. They left so many things out of VN. This also involves why there was Kagari in MWC, they send locked message and message that we saw in V&A ending where in both cases (before and after time leap) kagari was dead. Or if there were much more jumping from WL to WL after V&A ending, again, why didn't they even told us about that? Kurisu in Twin Automata ending again this was never explained what actually was happening when amadeus was almost deleted. Also the whole theme of Amadeus Kurisu was not elaborated enough. There are a few other things that I wanted to discuss but I forgot them :( Nice things that I really liked: Song from Recursive mother Goose. While some people will call this paradox, this is just nice that "fate" created some song to make meeting of all of the characters through so many different times. (but if I remember right the origin melody of this song was Maho's music box gift?). Weird nightmares "70 million years ago" from original S;G HA! I fucking called it a long long time ago that it was not just nightmares and they will have actual value some day! But again, this makes full sense only if you watch Drama CD β - The Arc of Light of Infinity after S;G0. So it was "real" Mayuri (and probably Okarin when he found them) 70m years in the past, and they most likely really died there and memories become part of them from original S;G. It was really nice. Same goes for nightmare with "Okarin falling into blacklohe", this is more for our interpretation but it is certainly connected to zero. --------- So overall, was it good? I would probably say yes, but definitely not better than original(at least for now, maybe I still missing some important things). The main problem was that they focused mostly on "side" stories and less on event's that was supposed to be directly answered in Zero. And it's not like because of bad writing, for some reason they just didn't. They had all preparations, foreshadowing and different clues, but when it was time to get everything together and answer questions and show the most important events... they just skipped that part and jumped to obvious true end most of which was already known from original S;G. I really hope that anime adaptation will add more explanation from official side materials and wrap up and answer all (or at least some most important) questions. Until then... Good luck, mad scientist. El. Psy. Kongroo. |
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Dec 20, 2016 1:33 PM
#43
Yes, that have sense, althoug in Milky way, another stange thing is Kagari red hair is still alive. Another thing that i don't undertand it's than in original Steins Gate, future Suzuha knows about the future Okabe video, but in this, she don't know nothing about it, how it's that? Thanks again! |
Dec 21, 2016 5:59 AM
#44
Just finished it earlier. I wouldn't say there is a whole lot of plot "holes", but i do feel like some places were especially lazy with the explanations, and things that probably should have been explained was open to interpretation. My absolute biggest complaint is the D-RINE. Its kind of an asspully thing considering the D-RINE was supposed to by-pass ECHELON's detection, and in terms of continuity, while it supposed to have been the trigger for the True end AKA the path to Steins;Gate, there is no way that it could have triggered a reading steiner, so unless there are some more complex mechanics of S;G time manipulation that i'm unaware of, there is no consistant way to tie in the continuity of those two routes without committing a giant asspull. But the problem is, you need the content of both of those routes in order to faithfully depict the events of the VN, at minimum. I honestly have no idea how they would do it, and if they settle for some kind of reading steiner shift to bring it from the Kurisu world line to the Mayuri one, It'll hurt my impression of the series. I suppose they can do something original, but whatever they do, I hope they do it tastefully But nitpicky things aside, I still rather enjoyed S;G 0. Okabe's issues made him seem more human. The new characters were alright. Mayuri's Friends weren't all that useful plotwise imo, but Maho was a nice contrast to Kurisu. Was it as good as the original? Definitely not. But was it still good overall? I'd say so. |
Dec 27, 2016 5:05 AM
#45
i think the only issue with Zero is they left things that should be explained open to interpretation. For example one of the most confusing thing is Rinascimento case, they can easily avoid questions by making maho upload Okabe's memory by 15 January but they decide to make it 31 January explicitly instead. Other than that, i'm pretty satisfied with it The plot is good and interesting The character developments were better in Zero (especially mayuri, daru, suzuha, maho, and of course okabe himself) The soundtracks, animations, and CGs were great Too bad they just spreading clues everywhere while not directly explain some things, i hope they can do justice to the anime adaptation. |
Jan 9, 2017 9:46 AM
#46
Moli_Malone said: Yes, that have sense, althoug in Milky way, another stange thing is Kagari red hair is still alive. Another thing that i don't undertand it's than in original Steins Gate, future Suzuha knows about the future Okabe video, but in this, she don't know nothing about it, how it's that? Thanks again! Answers to your second question :) As far as I know this would explain it. After the first failed attempt all the different world lines in Steins;Gate 0 help come up with the operation skuld to send the message to another version of himself in a world line where he failed the first time. Also, Mayuri had to go back to actually convince herself from an earlier time to not protect Okabe, to slap him in the face and encourage him to try again. As we saw in the beginning of Steins;Gate 0 she was kind and wanted Suzuha to leave him be. That was one of the key components for reaching the steins;gate line. In between Okabe gone for the first time and before he came back, Mayuri received a phone call from a mysterious voice telling her what will happen and what to do when Okabe comes back. The mysterious voice was future Mayuri. Another thing, Suzuha and Mayuri where stuck since their time machine did not go all the way back. That is why at the end of the true ending Okabe had to go find them in the time machine built in 2025 so he could give them a battery. So there was many key components from different worldlines that put all the pieces in place to make sure that another version of Okabe and the gang to reach steins;gate. If none of this happened in Steins;Gate 0 then the original anime ending would never happen and they would not reach setins;gate. As for how Suzuha in this world line knew of the plan before seeing the video, the only thing I can think of is she also received the video or she got a text message of what to do before hand. As the plan needed Okabe to fail once. This was not explained as far as I remember. I guess it is more left to speculation. |
Shad0w77Jan 9, 2017 10:14 AM
Jan 9, 2017 11:46 AM
#47
Yes, i think it's something like that. Thanks. |
Jan 10, 2017 5:44 AM
#48
Shad0w77 said: As for how Suzuha in this world line knew of the plan before seeing the video, the only thing I can think of is she also received the video or she got a text message of what to do before hand. As the plan needed Okabe to fail once. This was not explained as far as I remember. I guess it is more left to speculation. I'm pretty sure Suzuha knew of the video because future Daru had sent her a video just before she went back in time with Mayuri. |
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Jan 11, 2017 10:30 AM
#49
HistoricGamer46 said: Shad0w77 said: As for how Suzuha in this world line knew of the plan before seeing the video, the only thing I can think of is she also received the video or she got a text message of what to do before hand. As the plan needed Okabe to fail once. This was not explained as far as I remember. I guess it is more left to speculation. I'm pretty sure Suzuha knew of the video because future Daru had sent her a video just before she went back in time with Mayuri. I came to more logical explanation. Suzuha knew about the video and everything else because it's Suzuha that will come from 2036 from WL of true ending of S;G0, so she knew that they were sending video message and rest of the plan. This leads that in original S;G we saw already event's that were after S;G0 (because it was deleted from existence, so it's right from that perspective) and Suzuha was suzuha from 2036 S;G0 true ending (this is not Suzuha that went back in time with Mayuri and from the start of S;G0) |
Jan 11, 2017 1:24 PM
#50
I have questions about some possible problems in the Steins;Gate worldline, considering 0-s plot. I don't think there are clear clues about these, so I am asking for sensible theories. 1. Is Leskinen evil in the S;G worldline? In 0 it is apparent that the playful, childish persona is nothing but a misdirection. I don't think it is mentioned, but it is sensible to assume he is still the professor of Kurisu and Maho in the S;G worldline. However, in the S;G worldline the information war for the time machine never happens. So, can it be that he simply is not involved with any shady stuff, and he is just a professor? Or is he still an undercover operative? 2. Does Amadeus exist in the S;G worldline? If yes, is it still that sophisticated that Judy Reyes and many other factions may still be after it, wanting to use it for military purposes? 3. It is now apparent that in the ß attractor field, Tennouji and Moeka are still Rounders. Are they in the S;G worldline? Plus, any other theories you have about anything might be the case in the S;G worldline now that we know the plot of 0, I would welcome to hear them. |
Mandrake10Jan 11, 2017 2:14 PM
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