Who do you think is the most disappointing heroic spirit?

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chickenonthepan said:
Definitely Saber.

I expect her to be more than a moe blob in FSN UBW 2014.

I'll agree with that since there's no other servant that's disappointed me.

Really hope they give her a character arc or some kind of resolution in the next cour.

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Dec 30, 2014 7:33 PM

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I don't think i've been disappointed by any servant so far.

I will never understand the complaints for Jack the Ripper at all.

Dec 30, 2014 7:36 PM

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GangstaPriest said:
I think the idea of the mother complex for a serial killer who's targetting female prostitutes perfectly fits, actuallly. Even moreso if said serial killer's basically trying to find back the warmth of the mother figure he's been missing in those prostitutes (while having sex with them and then killing them).

It's just that... Why did she need to be a scantily clad loli?

I suppose it wasn't the mother complex that bothered me the most.

Actually, when I first heard about her, I thought it would be something cool like a mother who hated the sins of whores decided to brainwash her own child into becoming a serial killer. The child only knew the mother and became extremely attached to the mother, hence, the mother complex. The mother only taught the daughter how to dissect the victims and would send the child out to search for prey. Then when Jack was summoned as a heroic spirit, she decided to make a contract with Reika because she reminded her of her own mother from when she was alive. That would've been cool.
But instead we just get some orphan girl who somehow knew enough human anatomy to skillfully kill in the way Jack the Ripper did.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 7:36 PM

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Kamipriest said:
I don't think i've been disappointed by any servant so far.

I will never understand the complaints for Jack the Ripper at all.

Her past just wasn't very realistic, so some find it insulting to the actual killer

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 7:38 PM

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Doesn't sound too great :/

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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Dec 30, 2014 7:39 PM

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GangstaPriest said:
Doesn't sound too great :/

meh, it made more sense than the other, so it seemed cooler in comparison

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 7:39 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

Kamipriest said:
I don't think i've been disappointed by any servant so far.

I will never understand the complaints for Jack the Ripper at all.

Her past just wasn't very realistic, so some find it insulting to the actual killer

Let it be an insult, why would I respect a serial killer?

Dec 30, 2014 7:43 PM

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Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

Her past just wasn't very realistic, so some find it insulting to the actual killer

Let it be an insult, why would I respect a serial killer?

lol good point.

Besides, these aren't actual historical figures, they're anime versions of historical figures. It's called creative expression people; nothing wrong if someone makes their own version of a past person. Besides, it might generate interest for people to research the actual history. I know I was eager to learn more about certain servants when I was going through FSN.

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Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

Her past just wasn't very realistic, so some find it insulting to the actual killer

Let it be an insult, why would I respect a serial killer?

Basically this.

But what my last post referred to was how Jack seems to be portrayed in Apocrypha, not your theory haha

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Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Dec 30, 2014 7:44 PM

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Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

Her past just wasn't very realistic, so some find it insulting to the actual killer

Let it be an insult, why would I respect a serial killer?

If that's the case, let's make Vlad iii into a tsundere neko girl with no good explanation. His character shouldn't have any dignity or realisticness because of all the killings he's done. Same could be said for Nero Clau-----Oh wait.

emobuttercupDec 30, 2014 7:49 PM

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 7:45 PM

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So this thread was just a method to vent?

I don't know much about apocrypha, so I don't have any input at all about Jack. But how good a character's design is is completely subjective

Dec 30, 2014 7:47 PM

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mickdrew_99 said:

Kamipriest said:

Let it be an insult, why would I respect a serial killer?

lol good point.

Besides, these aren't actual historical figures, they're anime versions of historical figures. It's called creative expression people; nothing wrong if someone makes their own version of a past person. Besides, it might generate interest for people to research the actual history. I know I was eager to learn more about certain servants when I was going through FSN.

I don't mind them making their own versions of the historical figures, but if you're gonna do it, have it make sense. When they did it with Arturia, they actually had some decent explanations to fill in some would-be-plotholes to the Arthur legend if he were to be a girl. (such as being able to impregnate her sister by merlin temporarily turning her into a boy.)

emobuttercupDec 30, 2014 7:51 PM

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

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emoblossom123 said:

I don't mind them making their own versions of the historical figures, but if you're gonna do it, have it make sense.

.....and if the writer doesn't want it to make sense?

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Dec 30, 2014 7:51 PM

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I bet the Einzberns were pretty disappointed with

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mickdrew_99 said:

emoblossom123 said:

I don't mind them making their own versions of the historical figures, but if you're gonna do it, have it make sense.

.....and if the writer doesn't want it to make sense?

Then it's just bad writing.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 7:53 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

mickdrew_99 said:

lol good point.

Besides, these aren't actual historical figures, they're anime versions of historical figures. It's called creative expression people; nothing wrong if someone makes their own version of a past person. Besides, it might generate interest for people to research the actual history. I know I was eager to learn more about certain servants when I was going through FSN.

I don't mind them making their own versions of the historical figures, but if you're gonna do it, have it make sense. When they did it with Arturia, they actually had some decent explanations to fill in some would-be-plotholes to the Arthur legend if he were to be a girl. (such as being able to impregnate her sister by merlin temporarily turning her into a boy.)

Wait... Arthur knocked up his sister?

I need a moment.

Dec 30, 2014 7:54 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

Kamipriest said:

Let it be an insult, why would I respect a serial killer?

If that's the case, let's make Vlad iii into a tsundere neko girl. His character shouldn't have any dignity because of all the killings he's done. Same thing for Nero Clau-----Oh wait.

Vlad iii did inspire dracula. I don't see how he has dignity there. Plus wasn't he a pretty big figure in the Ottoman Empire?

You are comparing a political figure to a nameless street killer who got away with it. I don't know much of Vlad the impaler but I bet he did some good for his empire. Name one good thing jack the ripper did that we know of?

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Then it's just bad writing.

There is no such thing as bad writing, writing is an art form and all art is subjective.

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SwordHand said:

emoblossom123 said:

I don't mind them making their own versions of the historical figures, but if you're gonna do it, have it make sense. When they did it with Arturia, they actually had some decent explanations to fill in some would-be-plotholes to the Arthur legend if he were to be a girl. (such as being able to impregnate her sister by merlin temporarily turning her into a boy.)

Wait... Arthur knocked up his sister?

I need a moment.

Wait you didn't know?

She raped him basically. In the version I know anyway.

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Kellhus said:

GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

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emoblossom123 said:

mickdrew_99 said:

.....and if the writer doesn't want it to make sense?

Then it's just bad writing.

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant by "have it make sense".

Thought you meant it had to make sense in the context of actual history. My bad!

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Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

If that's the case, let's make Vlad iii into a tsundere neko girl. His character shouldn't have any dignity because of all the killings he's done. Same thing for Nero Clau-----Oh wait.

Vlad iii did inspire dracula. I don't see how he has dignity there. Plus wasn't he a pretty big figure in the Ottoman Empire?

You are comparing a political figure to a nameless street killer who got away with it. I don't know much of Vlad the impaler but I bet he did some good for his empire. Name one good thing jack the ripper did that we know of?

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Then it's just bad writing.

There is no such thing as bad writing, writing is an art form and all art is subjective.

Vlad iii killed and tortured way more people then Jack ever did.
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Also, Aaron Kosminski (the most likely suspect) was a hairdresser, so we know that he may have helped make people look prettier, which could lead to more people getting laid, and therefore reproducing more children. That benefits humanity in my book.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

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Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

If that's the case, let's make Vlad iii into a tsundere neko girl. His character shouldn't have any dignity because of all the killings he's done. Same thing for Nero Clau-----Oh wait.

Vlad iii did inspire dracula. I don't see how he has dignity there. Plus wasn't he a pretty big figure in the Ottoman Empire?

You are comparing a political figure to a nameless street killer who got away with it. I don't know much of Vlad the impaler but I bet he did some good for his empire. Name one good thing jack the ripper did that we know of?

emoblossom123 said:
Then it's just bad writing.

There is no such thing as bad writing, writing is an art form and all art is subjective.

You clearly haven't read Twilight or seen The Last Airbender

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 8:05 PM

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emoblossom123 said:

Vlad iii killed and tortured way more people then Jack ever did.
SP:
Also, Aaron Kosminski (the most likely suspect) was a hairdresser, so we know that he may have helped make people look prettier, which could lead to more people getting laid, and therefore reproducing more children. That benefits humanity in my book.

Vlad was still depicted as a monster being the inspiration for Dracula.

That's called a slippery slope -_-
For all we know his haircuts could have been horrible, that is if it was even him.

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You clearly haven't read Twilight or seen The Last Airbender

Why do I have to keep explaining what subjective means -_-

Don't give examples of what you believe is bad writing, it's still subjective. Yes I don't like them either, still subjective.

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mickdrew_99 said:

emoblossom123 said:

Then it's just bad writing.

Oh sorry, I misunderstood what you meant by "have it make sense".

Thought you meant it had to make sense in the context of actual history. My bad!

Whoops. Yeah, I meant just cover any plotholes or whatever.

Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

Vlad iii killed and tortured way more people then Jack ever did.
SP:
Also, Aaron Kosminski (the most likely suspect) was a hairdresser, so we know that he may have helped make people look prettier, which could lead to more people getting laid, and therefore reproducing more children. That benefits humanity in my book.

Vlad was still depicted as a monster being the inspiration for Dracula.

That's called a slippery slope -_-
For all we know his haircuts could have been horrible, that is if it was even him.

emoblossom123 said:

You clearly haven't read Twilight or seen The Last Airbender

Why do I have to keep explaining what subjective means -_-

Don't give examples of what you believe is bad writing, it's still subjective. Yes I don't like them either, still subjective.

It was kinda a joke. But imo, bad writing is in the eye of the beholder. And in my eyes, not making sense can be very distracting for me and I can't help but to dislike it at times.(such as for Jack in Apocrypha). I know what subjective is. I'm just stating that not making sense is bad writing in my opinion. You may think otherwise, and I will strongly disagree with you if you do.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 8:27 PM

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Kamipriest said:

emoblossom123 said:

SP:
Also, Aaron Kosminski (the most likely suspect) was a hairdresser, so we know that he may have helped make people look prettier, which could lead to more people getting laid, and therefore reproducing more children. That benefits humanity in my book.

That's called a slippery slope -_-
For all we know his haircuts could have been horrible, that is if it was even him.

That was a joke.

I'd go with emobubbles, but someone else already had it, damn bastard.

Dec 30, 2014 8:56 PM

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SwordHand said:

emoblossom123 said:

I don't mind them making their own versions of the historical figures, but if you're gonna do it, have it make sense. When they did it with Arturia, they actually had some decent explanations to fill in some would-be-plotholes to the Arthur legend if he were to be a girl. (such as being able to impregnate her sister by merlin temporarily turning her into a boy.)

Wait... Arthur knocked up his sister?

I need a moment.

yes yes he did from what i understand it was during a pagan ritual and he didnt realise it was his sister til after the fact

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Assassin by far. They never get their chance to shine and when they do it's for a very short moment..

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Assassin by far. They never get their chance to shine and when they do it's for a very short moment..

You mean FZ Assassin?

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chickenonthepan said:

StrawberryRain said:
Assassin by far. They never get their chance to shine and when they do it's for a very short moment..

You mean FZ Assassin?

F/Z Assassin(s) had no personality at all. Basically brainless agents who did whatever the plot demanded.

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mickdrew_99 said:

chickenonthepan said:

You mean FZ Assassin?

F/Z Assassin(s) had no personality at all. Basically brainless agents who did whatever the plot demanded.

uhm, there is a character like that in FSN UBW 2014 you know...

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chickenonthepan said:

mickdrew_99 said:

F/Z Assassin(s) had no personality at all. Basically brainless agents who did whatever the plot demanded.

uhm, there is a character like that in FSN UBW 2014 you know...

Do tell.....

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chickenonthepan said:

mickdrew_99 said:

F/Z Assassin(s) had no personality at all. Basically brainless agents who did whatever the plot demanded.

uhm, there is a character like that in FSN UBW 2014 you know...

Yeah, Saber.

Ohohohohohohoho

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chickenonthepan said:

uhm, there is a character like that in FSN UBW 2014 you know...

Yeah, Saber.

Ohohohohohohoho

u dun it noa wrong...

you'd gone and said it...

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