Do you believe piracy is a real problem for the anime/manga industry?
Absolutely, it's killing off companies
6.4%
7
Yes, it's a very serious problem
19.3%
21
Somewhat, but the numbers are exaggerated
36.7%
40
Not really, they're still making billions
21.1%
23
Not one bit, piracy actually makes them more money
16.5%
18
109 votes
| my is:Not really, they're still making billions |
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| How can they make money if they just pirate it? |
| There's no who cares option. Sad. |
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| Iz not problem for me. |
| These days, I think piracy does have an impact (as majority opinion here on MAL shows; why pay for what you can get free?) however I don't think it's nearly as much of an issue as the industry likes to cry. They still make profits (certainly not billions in the anime world) but they do seem to be losing money as time goes by, which is what leads to us getting so much of the same crap moe and ecchi stuff -- it sells. |
| Yes, it is. It causes loss of money to the anime industry. Although it may seem like the industry still garners a lot of profit, they are definitely losing some due to piracy as well. |
| I don't really want to comment on the industry as a whole, since I can't say for certain how the majority reacts to piracy, but for me personally, If there weren't fan subbers out there putting this stuff on the internet for free, I never would have gotten interested in anime to begin with. Granted I haven't spent loads of money, and I do watch most stuff for free, but I have spent a few bucks here or there. Without piracy, I wouldn't have spent a cent, so at least in this case it's (minimally) increased their profits, not harmed them. Also, word of mouth advertising can go a long way. I may not have purchased much, but through my recommendations to friends, they have. It's a chain reaction that never would have started without piracy. |
| I do not think it is a real problem for the anime industry.Most the people downloading anime download anime because they can't afford to go the store and buy dozens of brand new Box sets,4-6 episode and movies. So regardless of whether or you you cut the internet connection of everyone who downloads free anime they are not going to suddenly start running to the stores and internet sites buying dozens of box sets and moves. In other words these people are not potential costumers. At most they might save for months and buy a box set and put it on lay-a-way(where a store holds its for you and you make payments on it and get it when it is fully paid for). They might occasionally once in a blue moon buy some brand new movies. But often times they wait until the anime gets on sale of they buy it used from a used video store. |
| Of course it's a problem because anime companies are losing potential profits. However, I will say that it has helped. If I hadn't watched Death Note on a streaming site, I would have never thought to buy the box set. I'm not gonna buy every single thing I watch because I'm not wealthy. But I'll try to support as much as I can if the show is good. |
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| It is a problem in that, some people will just download content and never pay for it. However espiecially with Anime and Manga, Content is not always legally available so if I download an Anime or read a Manga that I can't buy in my county then no one has lost any money. Its a problem for sure but I don't think a massive one. |
Onibokusu said: ITT: People mistaking downloading fansubs for buying bootlegged anime off of Ebay. The reason the industry doesn't like fansubs is mostly due to the fact that bootleggers download fansubs, then proceed to burn them to DVDs and sell them. Besides, "making billions". You make it seem like they don't also have to invest those billions back into what they do. The business world isn't a one way street, the money your business makes goes pretty much right back into the company. Your profit is a much smaller fraction of what you actually make. This really depends on the amount of money you make, though. I'm pretty sure that a large company like Microsoft has plenty of money to use outside of what they use for business. Hence why many wealthy businessmen donate to charities or some other non-business related purchase. |
| Price is a huge problem for the Anime industry i dont see it that much for the Manga industry i can spare 10-14 bucks for a volume of Manga as suppose to 25-30 bucks for 3-4 episodes. another reason is that by the time it gets dubbed it is old news. there are newer animes out there by the time it is made available. If they could find a way to release a subbed version of the japanese release at the same time then make the dubs for broadcast later im sure they will be able to pick up some more money. Of course it would have to be high quality video and good subs. of course it is still flawed because we download cause we have no money. now if they found out a way to make the release ten dollars less im sure we can spare the money. |
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| I think it does hurt the industry, but I also think it helps. To ask me to pay $50+ for a boxed set I haven't seen is ridiculous. I wouldn't buy something I haven't already watched/read and know I like. Same with movies and other TV shows. I definitely support the official releases of series I enjoy. |
| Actually, now that I think about, the animu industry probably makes more profit off of the merchandise moreso than the actual content it's based off of. Though, personally, I can't really make any real legitimate opinions in this topic without any sort of statistics. |
| Where's the 'I don't give a damn' option? Yay for ignorance! lol |
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| I believe that it makes them more money. Japanese people watch anime on the TV anyway, they don't have anything to do with piracy. And piracy makes anime gather more fans in the western countries and those fans pay money for the merchandise and dvds. |
| Yes...it is quite a serious problem. Too bad I can't watch anything else otherwise. I have no income!!!!! |
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No-Cha said: Where's the 'I don't give a damn' option? Yay for ignorance! lol that. |
| somewhat. if things are cheaper, then more people would but them, but people still rather pirate it than buy it. I am guessing this topic was made because of the Manga issue recently. |
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| I think piracy hurts... but I don't believe anime and manga is really mainstream so I think overall it will help with exposure. |
screambloodygore said: I believe that it makes them more money. Japanese people watch anime on the TV anyway, they don't have anything to do with piracy. Where do you think the raws come from that are then fansubbed, which in turn are bootlegged for cheap DVD sales? Japanese file sharing (IP infringement, sometimes erringly called piracy) is rife. So it's certainly not like they have no part in the whole matter. The vast majority of fansubs are made with illegally shared raw video distributed on Japanese file sharing networks . . . by Japanese people. |
ezikialrage said: I do not think it is a real problem for the anime industry.Most the people downloading anime download anime because they can't afford to go the store and buy dozens of brand new Box sets,4-6 episode and movies. So regardless of whether or you you cut the internet connection of everyone who downloads free anime they are not going to suddenly start running to the stores and internet sites buying dozens of box sets and moves. In other words these people are not potential costumers. At most they might save for months and buy a box set and put it on lay-a-way(where a store holds its for you and you make payments on it and get it when it is fully paid for). They might occasionally once in a blue moon buy some brand new movies. But often times they wait until the anime gets on sale of they buy it used from a used video store. Exactly. This is what companies don't get. Just because your shitty movie got downloaded 300000 times, it does not mean you lost 300000 customers. They just download it because they can. But if they couldn't they certainly won't pay for your stinky DVD. And you know why? Because we don't have fucking money to throw around. We are poor and we don't throw our money on every movie/series/manga that comes out. Hell in our case the pirate copy may even make us sacrifice a little money if we thought what we saw was awesome. But i ain't spending anything with out knowing from before how awesome that shit really is. Rich fucks don't care. They don't need to download anyway. They just sent there battler to go and buy shit for them even if half of them suck ass, they don't care because they are fucking rich. Piracy is the revolution of the poor. Companies might cry there eyes out but you know what, nobody cries about me not having enough money to pay the rent next month. So yeah. Fuck you! Am gonna pirate shit and if i can't maybe am gonna start fucking my cat to entertain my time but i certainly won't be in a store throwing money your way. Go find my boss and tell him to give me 10000 a month and i will buy all the shit you like. I'm gonna be your freaking customer of the year. You will have photos in the corridors with my face on them and customer of the year stamps on them. |
MonadJun 9, 2010 3:10 PM
nmanguy said: HOWEVER, I think that the media as a whole should try to capitalize on streaming, much like American broadcasting companies have been doing in recent years. If they could work everything out and have Hulu have entire libraries of episodes with subs/dubs of a multitude of anime, they could easily get a large amount of those one million illegal downloaders to watch it on their site, and make money off of the ads. They obviously won't get everyone, since there's always those assholes who nitpick about every little detail, like the OP/ED not having flashy karaoke, or there not being TL notes or honorifics. I think the problem with streaming anime is that there isn't a certain way to market it where it can get millions of people's attention. With American shows, it's easy stream Family Guy and expect a big amount of viewers because everyone in America knows about that show. And if you don't mind I'm wanna drop a quote that Justin Sevakis of ANN said, which is based on anime being mainstream. And while what he said was really referred to DVD sales and not streaming, I think it can be referred to that as well, espeically when you mentioned about the people who nitpick over the minimal features in an anime. Justin Sevakis said: What one has to remember is that if you're going to do significant numbers in the anime market, you have to reach so far beyond the people that be us (people at ANN), and Anime on DVD (forum), and Anime World Order and all that good stuff. You have to reach so far beyond that market, that people who you are really selling it to are peopel who don't even know we exist. And in large degrees (and this is a shame, but it's true), the people that are the hardcore don't buy DVDs in numbers sufficient enough to really have a vote. The audience that complains is probably big enough to support a small, sub-only release. |
Onibokusu said: Monad said: Exactly. This is what companies don't get. Just because your shitty movie got downloaded 300000 times, it does not mean you lost 300000 customers. No, it was just 300,000 potential customers, which is the equivalent of several hundred thousand dollars potentially lost. Get it? Surely I shan't have to teach you the basics about the business world? The business world is full of shitty theories and words that mean nothing. The whole economic science is a nothing but shit explanations of common sense and bullshit theories. "Potential customers" is nothing more that "we have no idea what they could do". They have no problem putting those "potential customers" in there numbers when they speak about how many customers they lost to piracy and hiding the fact that they were never really customers in the first place. And the whole "potential customers" phrase is nothing more that a phrase invented with the word "customers" in it so they can fool naive people in thinking that they are talking about real customers when they speak about them. |
MonadJun 9, 2010 3:30 PM
nmanguy said: Honestly, paying $30 for a set of 13 22-minute long episodes, or $50 for 26 is not a sane asking price. Wow, really? I'd love to see those sort of shelf prices. I only get box sets that cheap through a wholesale contact. Retail is rarely under $80 for 24-26 eps here. I am displeased with the recent trend of releasing two sets for double cours series, though; I want a series in a single box, not split in half. But I'd probably buy a fair bit more anime than I do (and I already spent more than most sans the past year or so) if I could get it that cheap. |
Onibokusu said: Monad said: Onibokusu said: Monad said: Exactly. This is what companies don't get. Just because your shitty movie got downloaded 300000 times, it does not mean you lost 300000 customers. No, it was just 300,000 potential customers, which is the equivalent of several hundred thousand dollars potentially lost. Get it? Surely I shan't have to teach you the basics about the business world? The business world is full of shitty theories and words that mean nothing. The whole economic science is a nothing but shit explanations of common sense and things that can't happen. "Potential customers" is nothing more that "we have no idea what they could do". They have no problem putting those "potential customers" in there numbers when they speak about how many customers they lost to piracy and hiding the fact that they were never really customers in the first place. And the whole "potential customers" phrase is nothing more that a phrase invented with the word "customers" in it so they can fool naive people in thinking that they are talking about real customers when they speak about them. Your swearing seems to be simply covering up the fact that you honestly have no idea what you're talking about. A "potential customer" is that guy who walks past your store. If he walks past, he is still a lost customer as you were not able to interest him enough from the store front to have him want your services. You most obviously had no idea about this, as you passed the meaning of "potential customer" off as something completely irrelevant. Now stop talking out of your ass and say something that isn't complete and utter bullshit. The one talking out of your ass is you who just tries to quote a book just like a nice little robot with out the ability of free thinking. I don't need you to make a quote of the fucking theory to me. I know what they mean when they say potential customer. What you don't get is that i doubt the whole theory along with the science that invented it in the first place. Not to mention that your theory is wrong even in marketing sense. I did studies on marketing and economics and i think i know what am talking about. Because i experience this things first hand is exactly why i say they are full of bullshit that have no practice in reality. On the other hand i know when i read a book that it was also written by a person and not an omnipotent God. |
Iisan-kun said: Its only a serious problem for American industries, and who really cares about them? Me for one. |
| You need to be able to try something out before you even consider buying it. Even though I would never buy any of it. It has introduced many people to the 'genre', who would otherwise not see such media in their country, and has turned some of the stupid ones into buyers of the merchandise, and has contributed to the tourism industry when these retards go and visit Nihon ^_^~ |
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| The real sad thing is: Seeing the dwindling anime DVDs @ Best Buy and other stores. |
| Click on this. I dare you. | MAL Fantasy Football League | Currently Watching List RWBY Club. RWBY is anime. Deal with it. |
| No shit, why would best buy not attempt to make any profit from the object they are selling? Anyway, Monad is right. Just because an episode has been downloaded 300,000 times does not mean that the company has lost 300,000 potential costumers, or even 300,000 potential costumers. A couple of things. First off, downloading the first episode of the series does not guarantee that the rest of the series will be downloaded and viewed. Secondly, many of these potential buyers would never had been introduced to the market had they never seen or heard of the anime, or had they not been able to understand the language which piracy made possible. |
kitkatbarJun 9, 2010 5:53 PM
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Onibokusu said: Monad said: Onibokusu said: Monad said: Onibokusu said: Monad said: Exactly. This is what companies don't get. Just because your shitty movie got downloaded 300000 times, it does not mean you lost 300000 customers. No, it was just 300,000 potential customers, which is the equivalent of several hundred thousand dollars potentially lost. Get it? Surely I shan't have to teach you the basics about the business world? The business world is full of shitty theories and words that mean nothing. The whole economic science is a nothing but shit explanations of common sense and things that can't happen. "Potential customers" is nothing more that "we have no idea what they could do". They have no problem putting those "potential customers" in there numbers when they speak about how many customers they lost to piracy and hiding the fact that they were never really customers in the first place. And the whole "potential customers" phrase is nothing more that a phrase invented with the word "customers" in it so they can fool naive people in thinking that they are talking about real customers when they speak about them. Your swearing seems to be simply covering up the fact that you honestly have no idea what you're talking about. A "potential customer" is that guy who walks past your store. If he walks past, he is still a lost customer as you were not able to interest him enough from the store front to have him want your services. You most obviously had no idea about this, as you passed the meaning of "potential customer" off as something completely irrelevant. Now stop talking out of your ass and say something that isn't complete and utter bullshit. The one talking out of your ass is you who just tries to quote a book just like a nice little robot with out the ability of free thinking. I don't need you to make a quote of the fucking theory to me. I know what they mean when they say potential customer. What you don't get is that i doubt the whole theory along with the science that invented it in the first place. Not to mention that your theory is wrong even in marketing sense. I did studies on marketing and economics and i think i know what am talking about. Because i experience this things first hand is exactly why i say they are full of bullshit that have no practice in reality. On the other hand i know when i read a book that it was also written by a person and not an omnipotent God. It seems you do, otherwise you wouldn't of bothered recognising it. But, it's "wrong" is it? You doubt it, thus it is "wrong". All because you don't wish to buy anime? I see. Nonsensical time is here, guess it's time to justify not purchasing anything by saying the entire concept of the potential customer is wrong. I have also done study on marketing and economics. You think you're the only one on MAL who has? You also think you're the only one to experience these things first hand? Oh boy. All I see is you trying to justify not purchasing anime by trying to, what? Say everything is wrong and that you are right simply because you doubt the value of the potential customer? Go and get a job, boy. First am not a boy. Am quite older than you and i have a job. I actually had many jobs. And when i said studies i meant like university classes not just study with a book. Not that i think less of self study. Second am starting to think that your brain is shut while reading. I only said doubt it, ONLY, as my personal view. The phrase " is wrong" was used in a completely different sentence were i was simply explaining to you that your example was a mistake even according to the theory in marketing that you were trying to be loyal to and not as my personal view since i disagree with the whole science of economics in general. So now am even wondering how the fuck can we have a dialog when you don't even understand what you read, or maybe you purposely paraphrase it to fit your agenda. |
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