| As my question states, why do they?? Is it cos of lack of budget? Or not enough time? or is the director/creator wanting to show us how brainy he/she can be, and just totally mindf**k us? Truthfully it totally spoils some really good anime out there and the only fans you have remain are the hardcore type either reveling that they know the meaning or arguing that they know. For example, you have an action/mecha anime which is great and people follow for at least 13 episodes, then it goes down hill because the other half is just talk and pondering about life....that shit pisses me off....you don't see a Hollywood blockbuster with a half hour action and the rest all talk become a box office hit....so why do it in anime? From an anime lover to another...would any of you guys know why? |
wouldn't you call that an anti-climax? you're getting yourself prepared for an excellent ending only to be let down because the rest of the story is about pondering why 'said protagonist' wanted to bust heads instead of just busting heads? Don't get me wrong, I like anime that get into your head and make you think, but when it starts to become a trend and all you get is talk, it makes you wonder if you were just better buying the book than watching the anime... |
| To seem smart or 'deep', I guess. Actually it's just pissworthy. |
| So people like me get happy. |
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| Sounds like a NGE discussion. Isn't it obvious? To get more viewers to watch the show. It's almost like tricking people into watching something that they wouldn't have given a chance otherwise. A heavy philosophical plot would be an immediate turn off to a wide range of audience and wouldn't get to the them if you show it to them right off the bat. Viewers need to get attached to the characters or get into the storyline to a certain degree to actually sympathize and start thinking. |
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| What's wrong with anime getting philosophical? It's better than end it with... "Alright, done, lets go home" ..... The above sentence could be viewed as philosophical too... perhaps one's acceptance of true calling ended... gah... |
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| but what good is it for fans to watch a beat'em up or romance type of anime where all of a sudden the pro or ant starts spouting shit thats totally off-story or out of place for that chara? I've seen some where the hero could crush boulders all f a sudden spout shit like Einstein at the very end to make things sound like there's a deeper meaning... |
For example, you have an action/mecha anime which is great and people follow for at least 13 episodes, then it goes down hill because the other half is just talk and pondering about life....that shit pisses me off....you don't see a Hollywood blockbuster with a half hour action and the rest all talk become a box office hit....so why do it in anime? That is why I PREFER Anime over Hollywood BS. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
obliviouz said: As my question states, why do they?? Is it cos of lack of budget? Or not enough time? or is the director/creator wanting to show us how brainy he/she can be, and just totally mindf**k us? Truthfully it totally spoils some really good anime out there and the only fans you have remain are the hardcore type either reveling that they know the meaning or arguing that they know. For example, you have an action/mecha anime which is great and people follow for at least 13 episodes, then it goes down hill because the other half is just talk and pondering about life....that shit pisses me off....you don't see a Hollywood blockbuster with a half hour action and the rest all talk become a box office hit....so why do it in anime? From an anime lover to another...would any of you guys know why? I like it when anime gets deep. Sure, it sometimes feels like it's out of place, but I like to think. Personally, if I watch continuous, non-stop action, I feel like my brain turns to mush. The occasional deep conversation in anime is my nice changeup to a great fastball. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: There's probably more anime BS than Hollywood BS. And you really can't compare them since movies are like 2.5 hours max, while anime could go as long as they liked.For example, you have an action/mecha anime which is great and people follow for at least 13 episodes, then it goes down hill because the other half is just talk and pondering about life....that shit pisses me off....you don't see a Hollywood blockbuster with a half hour action and the rest all talk become a box office hit....so why do it in anime? That is why I PREFER Anime over Hollywood BS. And yes, you do see Hollywood blockbusters do such things. Half-action half-talking is nothing new. teanut said: That's what I got from the impression of this thread, too. That last seemingly "mindfuck" was like, what the eff.Sounds like a NGE discussion. |
| In the context it didn't matter which side has more BS ^^. And Animes are not only series, there are tons of movies too. And I probably prefer a Miyazaki movie over most Hollywood Blockbusters. But I don't wanna hate Hollywood, many very enjoyable movies come from there, but it's just mostly not the right place to look for more philosophy/deepness than 8th graders can understand. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| And watching anime movies is? Pretty sure Hollywood movies has "deepness" 8th graders wouldn't understand. You're probably right in that most stuff doesn't have this "deepness", but Hollywood has plenty of movies that's totally unappealing to 8th graders and below, and plenty of them difficult for 8th graders to understand. |
| I just mentioned the movies because you said you can't compare them because animes can go on for however long they like. (But there are also hollywood(ish) series and anime movies) And that's why I say "mostly". There are sure extraordinary movies from Hollywood, I won't doubt that. In my experience, or maybe for my taste, I prefer comedy mostly american/real series but for thought-provoking series I find there to be more variety in animes. At last it takes me longer to research and find out about a potential Movie I like than about an anime series. But I guess there is no objectivity concerning this point. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Are you talking really about post-Evangelion anime? If so, it would explain a lot. I speculate since said series did what it did and made a lot of people go 'omg, wtf?' and so became a landmark in anime, it has become almost expected to take a philosophical bent to be taken seriously and to compete with other 'serious' anime. I personally think it's great, but really only when there is an actual meaning to that philosophy that can be intertwined with the rest of the series. Like, I think the first FMA anime adaptation did this sort of thing and did so extremely well, tying this philosophy through the various events, and so forth. I'm curious as to what titles in particular you think have suffered because of this sort of thing. That, and classic shounen anime ,which lacks a thing called Theme and so has a shallow plot, has been done to death so to still have that kind of show, unless you can add some sort of depth, illusionary or not, it holds the risk of falling on its nose in the market for reasons mentioned prior. |
aixelsydJun 3, 2010 9:38 AM
| Man, please tell me which anime you've been watching recently, because even though I search a lot, psychological is a hard genre to find. But then, I guess your definition of psychological must be really shallow if you see it in every anime you watch. |
| 90% of Anime is shit, but then, 90% of everything is shit. |
kurotera said: Man, please tell me which anime you've been watching recently, because even though I search a lot, psychological is a hard genre to find. well I can name a few without even having to say NGE(although I do appreciate NGE) once I've recently just rewatched where somethings they philosophized a bit too much: Raxephon Texhnolyze Kare Kano Martian Successor Nadesico Speed Grapher ...to name a few...that aren't psychological(or philosophical) animes but start spouting it |
ScryptJun 3, 2010 11:25 AM
| "most" anime? I've only come across a few who does this. obliviouz said: I'd say that was fairly psychological minded even from the start though. Not much in way of philosophy though.Texhnolyze In general, I notice it's most often philosophical ramblings towards the end if the conflict focus on the big themes like the fate of the world. But then it' pretty much warranted either way. It would be surprising to see this sort of stuff in your average harem romcom, and it would certainly feel amiss, so that's probably why this doesn't (?) happen. |
Baman said: it's most often philosophical ramblings is what it comes down to...which i've pointed out...is not needed when you wanna just sit down and unwind for a good half hour for a laugh or a beat down anime |
| Well I would say your average harem/comedy don't have a lesson at the end of them. Heck, their really isn't any character development or relationship development in them either. But if it did have one its probably a moral lesson to guide the youth down the right path kind of things. Which probably applies to most anime actually. |
KnightofOldJun 3, 2010 12:34 PM
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obliviouz said: Texhnolyze That's the worst example you could have come up with :P Texhnolyze was philosophical/psychological from the start, and it was quite obvious that it was the main intention. And as guys already mentioned. You don't see that kind of stuff in the majority of anime. |
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