| Moe I want your honest thoughts and opinions on this.There seems to be differences found in Japanese people and non-Japanese (American otakus at least) From reading from this: http://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/articles/2009/Galbraith.html Moe is that feeling you get when you see something that is irresistibly pure and innocent... to the point of wanting to protect it. To the fujoshi (female otaku) however, it's a phase of fantasizing two (mostly) male human representations in a romantic and sometimes even sexual situation. This is moe in Japan though, but ya know that's its origins Yes, this post has been changed. I'm done with my paper. |
KinoDabblesApr 30, 2010 5:13 PM
| Like ten years? Though only srsly like a year so ago The greatest thing ever made by mankind I HNNNNNNNNGGGG For it Not sure what you mean Glasses moe? |
| well, do you think glasses characters are moe? |
bolei_cha said: well, do you think glasses characters are moe? Some of them are yes |
| got any examples? The obvious one would be Miyuki from Lucky Star~ Agreed? |
bolei_cha said: got any examples? The obvious one would be Miyuki from Lucky Star~ Agreed? Yes that's the only one I know |
| Hrm... Would you consider Yomiko Readman (Read of Die) as moe? http://karmaburn.com/files/screenshots/rod/yomiko0101.jpg |
| Since you look lonely talking to only one person I'll join you. - How long have you watched anime and read manga? Confusing question, are you asking how long have we been watching or something? If its that, I didn't really start streaming/downloading til around 6-7 years ago. - Define 'moe' in your own words Moe~ - What more archetypes have you identified? Do you have a moe preference? Did not understand question. Loli Moe. Tsundere Moe. Nekomimi Moe. Optional but: In addition, please describe your experiences and examples found in (which) anime pertaining to 'moe'. K-On. Title of thread. Angel Beats too lazy to look for more. Additional: Do you think Ayanami Rei (Evangelion series) and Hotaru Tomoe (Sailormoon series) are considered moe? Personally, I think so, though from other people otherwise. They're probably considered moe in terms of wiki definition, but I do not feel they are. Hrm... Would you consider Yomiko Readman (Read of Die) as moe? No. |
| 1. About a year or so. 2. For me it means over the top cuteness, like, if there was a cup of cute, filling it over the top with more cute... if that made any sense whatsoever. I think it also pertains to a character with this quality in them, Mikuru from haruhi being one of the better examples of a little too much moe. 3. Um, I don't know, like, umm, the... tsundere? Cat ears(neko)? creepy chick, who is going to kill you but for some strange reason you still like the character cause she's kinda cute but other than that your like WTF holy S**T that chick just sliced that guy in half? Megane (glasses)? Optional: A lot of ecchi's and harems, like in every single one there is bound to be at least one moe character in the bishoujo cast. To love ru is one of the better examples, every single character in that show is at least one example of a particular moe stereotype. |
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| thanks for the reply Paul and thanks Chiyo's Dad for indulging me. I'll fix my first post on what i mean. SO far, people have disagreed that Rei and Hotaru are not very moe? Any reasons? |
KinoDabblesApr 25, 2010 4:26 PM
bolei_cha said: Hrm... Would you consider Yomiko Readman (Read of Die) as moe? http://karmaburn.com/files/screenshots/rod/yomiko0101.jpg Defiantly no |
chiyos_Dad said: bolei_cha said: Hrm... Would you consider Yomiko Readman (Read of Die) as moe? http://karmaburn.com/files/screenshots/rod/yomiko0101.jpg Defiantly no Why's that Chiyos_dad? How about Chiyo-chan? Is she Moe? |
Racci said: Optional: A lot of ecchi's and harems, like in every single one there is bound to be at least one moe character in the bishoujo cast. To love ru is one of the better examples, every single character in that show is at least one example of a particular moe stereotype. Thanks for your reply Racci, I definately agreed with some stuff you had. It's true that a lot of moe seems to found in ecchi and harem anime. Can moe be found in nonharem and ecchi anime series? Or even better, can moe be found in nonhuman represented characters? |
bolei_cha said: chiyos_Dad said: bolei_cha said: Hrm... Would you consider Yomiko Readman (Read of Die) as moe? http://karmaburn.com/files/screenshots/rod/yomiko0101.jpg Defiantly no Why's that Chiyos_dad? How about Chiyo-chan? Is she Moe? Yes ♥♥ and loli |
| Moe 1. A very cute and small teenage or adult character that looks younger than the average anime character his or her age. The character can exhibit various cute and sometimes childish or childlike traits for example Aria's third person talk. Note: Some moe characters don't have a definite age in some cases (ex. Sister Princess which all 12 sisters have no definite age), for imaginative purposes. 2. A very sexy sometimes cute anime girl usually with large breasts and/or rear, who is the subject of fanservice or is designed solely for fanservice. Note: Some moe can be accidentally be percieved as lolis due to a lack of understanding and vice versa. Example (Aria and Shirayuki) |
HoppyApr 25, 2010 5:24 PM
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| 1. Moe has evolved from just a type of character seen in anime (like the girls of Evangelion) into a sort of sub-genre of anime. Now we have shows like K-On! and Lucky Star that revolve around the concept of moe. 2. The first anime I saw was Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland when I was little, but it wasn't until I watched YuYu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, and Dragonball GT on TV that I started to watch anime as an otaku. 3. Along with tsundere, there are yandere (the "crazy in love" types) and yangire (just plain crazy types) moe character archetypes. Although I'm not really into moe anime and characters with a few exceptions, my favorite of the three aforementioned character types is the yandere type. Those characters seem to be the most multi-dimensional; tsundere can be predictable and yangire characters don't leave enough room for development if the only attribute to them is going to be insanity. Other kinds of "moe" include maid moe, Zettai Ryouiki moe, anthropomorphic moe, and Lolicon. |
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| I hate moe, it's shit Pedo fags like that kind of shit, it's scary I like GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR all the way |
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seung_ri said: I hate moe, it's shit Pedo fags like that kind of shit, it's scary I like GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR all the way Not quite correct, read my second definition, there is tons of moe of grown women if you don't like your anime chicks small and flat. |
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| so I guess we all agreed that moe is a sexualized representation in form of a young girl? Or do you suppose the sexual aspect as a separate thing of moe or part of it? |
bolei_cha said: so I guess we all agreed that moe is a sexualized representation in form of a young girl? Uh no it isn't |
chiyos_Dad said: bolei_cha said: so I guess we all agreed that moe is a sexualized representation in form of a young girl? Uh no it isn't do please enlighten me. (kinda playing devil's advocate) |
bolei_cha said: chiyos_Dad said: bolei_cha said: so I guess we all agreed that moe is a sexualized representation in form of a young girl? Uh no it isn't do please enlighten me. (kinda playing devil's advocate) It's a kind of feeling of protection for something also Google-ru is your friend http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=navclient-ff#hl=en&q=moe+anime&meta=&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=43750d86ae6e95f3 |
| yes, but i'm asking your opinion. It does seem like people don't seem to know without looking it up. At the same time, we do know in a way. Just not specifically. |
bolei_cha said: so I guess we all agreed that moe is a sexualized representation in form of a young girl? No, that's lolicon, which is basically a sort of fetish towards smaller girls, with the opposite gender being called shotacon. That loli stuff gets kinda creepy if you ask me, and mahou sensei negima is shotacon pumped to the max. (*cough* ten year old teacher in a classroom of thirty middle school girls *cough*) |
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| Define Moe in your own words. (In complete-sentence form please) I will admit, I've looked it up - not just now, but long before when I was introduced to this concept and could only come up with "WTF is that?" From my understanding of what I've read and what I've seen classified as "moe", I'm in agreement with ShadowbladeEdge above me. While I don't classify moe as a "feeling", per se, I think of it as a characteristic that brings about those feelings. These feelings are, more specifically, revolve around the "cute" factor, but it's more than just simple "cute" as we (Westerners; I'm Canadian, for the record) understand it. It's a feeling of innocence, endearment, etc., as if we must protect this character/person who is "moe" (or at the very least, give them a big hug). As a result, "moe" characters tend to be quite young since youthfulness is associated with these qualities (cute, innocent, naive, etc.) It is NOT a sexual thing - as noted above, that's more like lolicon. I will admit that I find the entire concept/definition of "moe" quite vague. I feel that it's a cultural phenomenon that may be difficult to completely understand for non-Japanese (are there layers of nuances within the language at work here, for example?). Can you identify the first anime you've seen? When did you started diving into watching anime more on a daily basis? I remember watching the likes of Samurai Pizza Cats, Dragonball, and Keroppi and Friends as a little kid (maybe 4 or 5-ish?) but the first series I watched where I started recognizing anime as a genre (animation from Japan) was Sailor Moon, which began airing when I was 6. That was my first real anime obsession. Yes, going by wikipedia, it claims that there are moe character types such as the glasses, the clumsy, the tsundere, etc. Do you think there are more than that? Can you name a few? Do you have a preference? I honestly don't know enough to say. I have difficulty enough understanding the term "moe", let alone trying to determine all the different types. Hell, I didn't even know there were types! Optional but: In addition, please describe your experiences and examples found in (which) anime pertaining to 'moe'. I've...uh...watched K-ON? You could probably name any series and there will be at least some "moe" in there somewhere. It's pretty pervasive, IMO. Additional: Do you think Ayanami Rei (Evangelion series) and Hotaru Tomoe (Sailormoon series) are considered moe? Personally, I think so, though from other people otherwise. Never seen Evangelion so I can't comment on Rei. Hotaru depends on how you interpret her. Then again, that could go for any character, to be honest. As previously mentioned, "moe" is simply a characteristic that brings about a feeling of endearment so it highly depends on both the character's presentation and the interpretation of the viewer. For example, the characters of K-ON! are often viewed as "moe" but I find them somewhat annoying. However, I can see why people see them as "moe" by the way they are presented. |
AeternaApr 25, 2010 9:55 PM
| That's some great stuff, thanks for answering shadowblade and aeterna (love your sig. watching list btw; Yuko-san is awesome :]). |
| It's extremely difficult to explain what Moe is. You can't put a single definition on it. It's just one of those things that you can explain and understand in your head but impossible to explain it to someone else. |
Hipster said: It's extremely difficult to explain what Moe is. You can't put a single definition on it. It's just one of those things that you can explain and understand in your head but impossible to explain it to someone else. I agree. You probably cannot pin it down into one sentence, but say a friend of yours (that happens to know next to nothing about anime) were to ask you. How would you explain it to him/her? Would you then just go and show 'em demonstrations like K-on! for example? |
bolei_cha said: Hipster said: It's extremely difficult to explain what Moe is. You can't put a single definition on it. It's just one of those things that you can explain and understand in your head but impossible to explain it to someone else. I agree. You probably cannot pin it down into one sentence, but say a friend of yours (that happens to know next to nothing about anime) were to ask you. How would you explain it to him/her? Would you then just go and show 'em demonstrations like K-on! for example? Yeah. The only way you can "explain" it is by showing them examples. Like Mikuru from TMoHS for example. |
| 1. Moe is the term that defines a prototype of cuteness or cute acting. Someway along evolution it got to an "ideal" of woman. 2. No I can't, I've watched anime on a daily basis since I can remember. The first time I actually paid attention to the word "moe" was on a completely different occasion non-related to anime and only since then I started to identify it on anime. 3. I don't really have a preference, because for me moe is irrelevant. 4. Never happened. Boys are not Moe, but sometimes I can't help to say "awwwww" or something. But the cuteness of a male character is completely divergent of the one of a female character. Basically because their design matters less and their actions more. Also because childish depictions are always admitted as blatant service and their "moeness" is so intentional that it loses its meaning. 5. No and No, essentially. They may have "moe portrayals" here and there, and due to their nature those seem even more "moe". Note: I'm a girl. |
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| First and foremost moe is the feeling of being overwhelmed by cuteness as a form of high. One could argue people get it when they look at cat videos on the internet and feel like they're going to burst from the cuteness. That's right, if you feel overwhelmed by the cuteness of cat videos on the internet, you are a pedo fag and need to prefer manly shows like Gurren Lagann that feature 14 year old giggling tits, because at least she isn't a moeblob like all slice of life characters and the Hetalia Boys! Even better, couple that with meaning GAR is impossibly masculine that you are demoted to feminine inferiority in comparison, explicitly stating that men are superior to women and masculinity is superior to femininity. Masculinity is something you work to strive to the top of so that people are "women" and inferior in comparison. GAR is a lot more forward than cute, cute is for pedos, while blood and guts are for mature male supremacists. And the world is in more need of people who strangle tigers with bare hands after all than people who adore their wuvvable kitty.^_^ Moe is not weakness, but the expansion than just "cute overload" is the idea of having a void to fill. Like for instance in the "cooldere" it's about cool, strong, smart, even "cold" characters who fill the 'moe' of "defrosting ice queen". If you don't have even a semblance of moe, the character gives off the impression of being romantically unfulfillable and impossible aloofness. Moe is the feeling that you can become closer to someone emotionally or such because of some opening they have left. Sometimes there's a "pure moe" where they just seem all moeblob and open. With other characters, it's all about the contrast. With Tsundere, one has to move past the Tsun exterior to get to the dere interior. With Cooldere/Kuudere and Dandere, one has to get past their stoicism and "warm them up". With Yandere, one must work past mental illness to get to experience the proper romance. More types have a contrast of strength and availability than just availability. Another one I can mention, is "bokukko". Which means or implies some insecurity about gender roles in a female who does not conform to gender roles. Making a person feel like they could fill an emotional need is a single person who isn't consider the "top" by someone because they would prefer a more feminine girl and she is still single. So you know, if you can make a person feel more awesome for being a tomboy and not being a girly girl, you are filling a moe. Nobody has mentioned this yet, but this could also exist for things often considered unpretty by society, such as insecurity about overweightness. In an in real life context, if you find a fat woman or man adorable and more interesting personality wise because you think that making her/him feel like a beautiful person and fill something emotionally in their heart, and feel like appealing to this insecurity will help you fill a niche in their heart and become closer to them, you are feeling moe. This form of moe also I think plays a role in "Katawa Shoujo". A person often feels insecurity from having disability, and also has a physical "moe" to fill if they are physically disabled. A person might feel moe for a person with leg paralysis because they feel like they could help them in life with some things leaving an emotional niche about something physical to fill. Or one could feel moe for a person with burnscars because they feel burnscars are pretty when other people don't, and that they could make the person feel beautiful for something other people don't. The big eyes small nose thing is just part of the typical anime aesthetic. One can say that if this is moe, pretty well all anime is influenced by the moe aesthetic. Some of them overlap with "young looking" or acting, but others do not. One could see it as a specific type and genre of the Osamu aesthetic, which focuses more on circular, curvy drawing styles instead of straight lines. So to put it simply or repeat or whatever, moe is the tendency to avoid straight lines in drawing at all costs while tending to drawing almost every single object in a show or part of a person as rather circular. The effect has a name on TvTropes and it's called "Puni Plush". http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PuniPlush There clearly a lot more I could go into, but I think I've gone into the more obvious ones. To put it in bullet summary: - Feeling of being "overwhelmed by cute". - Feeling of some emotional niche that appeals to you. - A few forms of anime that overlaps with the general Osama style and has a few several unique characteristics. -- An art style that avoids straight lines. Expressing agenda, not conforming to the form request of the thread. lololol |
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| May I quote you on all that Ukonkivi-san? |
| All my japanese stereotype book conains are things like 'the cool', 'the idiot, 'the badass', 'the bitchy' and 'the fucking annoying one with the squeaky voice (moe? loli? w/e/ it is you call it) |
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bolei_cha said: May I quote you on all that Ukonkivi-san? Sure. |
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| I'll keep it simple.. Moe translate to cute by my definition. Anything that has a hint of cuteness has a hint of moe. |
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emashu said: I'll keep it simple.. Moe translate to cute by my definition. Anything that has a hint of cuteness has a hint of moe. You are so wrong |
chiyos_Dad said: emashu said: I'll keep it simple.. Moe translate to cute by my definition. Anything that has a hint of cuteness has a hint of moe. You are so wrong Now, now. Let us not go trolling. We're entitled to our own opinions. I thought that's what it meant at first as well. And in some ways, this person could be right. Great stuff guys fyi. |
| according to me... Moe is literally "burning" emotions, when a scene actually brings forth some form of "burning" emotion be it something to do with your heart, love, cuteness, etc. Basically any positive emotional response in a short period of time. If you don't admit to having positive emotional response to anime then why the hell are you watching it? Are you going to be depressed and angry every time you watch anime? I mean seriously. Lets put this in a comparable real life perspective. Moe is comparable to when people see babies, kittens, puppies, and other infantile animal. Unless you're a sick sadistic bastard that would rather kill or maim the items mentioned or the baby is ugly, you would naturally have a feeling of happiness or some form of positive emotional response. Almost like an emotion that you want to protect something that is weaker or lesser than you (or something) If you think its something sexual its obvious you don't understand what moe moe is. |
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chiyos_Dad said: emashu said: I'll keep it simple.. Moe translate to cute by my definition. Anything that has a hint of cuteness has a hint of moe. You are so wrong I'll give you a call when I care. |
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| Moe is those characters that either are little girls or look like little girls, cute, and innocent, albeit either idiotic or naive. First anime is likely to be Detective Conan in China. Really dug into anime in middle school, probably. Dunno why, dunno how. I think it was this initial urge to get YTV to watch DBZ. Then I noticed there were other shows that's similar in art style to DBZ, and accidentally got interested. It definitely wasn't Pokemon, or Digimon which I watched before that impacted me to anime. I think Nagisa in Clannad is moe. Kyon's sister moe. The entire cast of K-ON, probably. I always just associate moe with cute innocent kids or look-alike cute innocent kids, I've no idea what loli is though. I guess they're just little kids. On the other hand, I've never associated characters like Shana as moe. I dunno whether she's actually like 1000 year old or something or she doesn't seem innocent or whatever. It just never occurred when I saw the show. I've got relatively no impact when I watch moe-related stuff. Was never too excited about it. Rei Ayanami didn't seem moe (probably because she lacked cuteness and didn't look like a kid), and I forgot who that girl in Sailor Moon was. Overall, deciding whoever is moe or not seemed like a trivial thought to me when I watch a show, thus if I were to name moe characters, I'm unlikely to name a lot. Simply because I don't take notice or consciously group them under one lump or something when I watch. |
| Aww crap, hate it when my post is the last one on the page... actually put some thought into what i said. Also I should note, Rei Ayanami isn't moe for me, but girls like Mio Akiyama, Yuki Nagato, Marina Wulfstram, Angol Mol, and Nagomi Shirashi are moe to me. I'm just a fan of character types, i'm sure im not the only one. Usually anime stories/plotlines are typically off the wall or uninsteresting in my opinion. The heart and soul of anime that I watch are based on the character cast and how the chemistry between them are what makes a lame story into a great story. |
| "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
| Im I the only one who wanna strangle myself whenever a moe character pops up ? I guess I would be dead if I ever whatched K-ON. |
glassbil said: Im I the only one who wanna strangle myself whenever a moe character pops up ? I guess I would be dead if I ever whatched K-ON. Nah, I wouldn't think you're the only one. Though I feel like I'm the only one that didn't find Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu as the best show in the galaxy. There was def emphasis in the moe factor which i found too excessive and therefore a turn off for me. (I mean seriously, do you really have to harass the big-breasted naive one in every other episode?) But I just might be nit-picky. |
KinoDabblesApr 26, 2010 8:35 PM
| " (I mean seriously, do you really have to harass the big-breasted naive one in every other episode? " Thats the punishment one gets for being moe. |
bolei_cha said: glassbil said: Im I the only one who wanna strangle myself whenever a moe character pops up ? I guess I would be dead if I ever whatched K-ON. Nah, I wouldn't think you're the only one. Though I feel like I'm the only one that didn't find Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu as the best show in the galaxy. There was def emphasis in the moe factor which i found too excessive and therefore a turn off for me. (I mean seriously, do you really have to harass the big-breasted naive one in every other episode?) But I just might be nit-picky. I like moe but I hate Haruhi, she's annoying, whiny, bratty excuse of a girl, and no she isn't God like most people say. Her bouts of harassment doesn't amuse me, Haruka is better at it while being cute and sort of creepy. |
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Hoppy said: bolei_cha said: glassbil said: Im I the only one who wanna strangle myself whenever a moe character pops up ? I guess I would be dead if I ever whatched K-ON. Nah, I wouldn't think you're the only one. Though I feel like I'm the only one that didn't find Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu as the best show in the galaxy. There was def emphasis in the moe factor which i found too excessive and therefore a turn off for me. (I mean seriously, do you really have to harass the big-breasted naive one in every other episode?) But I just might be nit-picky. I like moe but I hate Haruhi, she's annoying, whiny, bratty excuse of a girl, and no she isn't God like most people say. Her bouts of harassment doesn't amuse me, Haruka is better at it while being cute and sort of creepy. Haruhi isn't moe though |
| - Define Moe in your own words. Essentially a specific character trait which is percieved as being attractive. Obviously varies between different people as everyone is attracted by different things - Can you identify the first anime you've seen? When did you started diving into watching anime more on a daily basis? Started with a few films and picking up random shows now and then about 4 or 5 years ago, but didn't really go out of my way to find new shows to watch or really think of myself as an anime fan until about 2 years ago after seeing Gunslinger Girl and Wolf's Rain. - Yes, going by wikipedia, it claims that there are moe character types such as the glasses, the clumsy, the tsundere, etc. Do you think there are more than that? Can you name a few? Do you have a preference? There are literally tons of different types of moe and it can be used in reference to practically any trait. This includes physical features, hair colour, the way they dress, their personalities, everything. In regards to preferences, I'd go with a pink-haired yandere character, possibly adding glasses and thigh-highs. The closest character I can think of to my personal 'perfect moe' character as such would probably be Yuno Gasai. Optional but: In addition, please describe your experiences and examples found in (which) anime pertaining to 'moe'. The obvious examples of moe here are Lucky Star and K-ON!, both of which use the moe phenominon to extreme levels. I also found both of them to be utterly terrible and bland, lacking in any depth, character development or comedy for the majority of the running time despite being supposed comedy shows. |
Seasonreaper said: The closest character I can think of to my personal 'perfect moe' character as such would probably be Yuno Gasai. Ugh, I hated how they girlified her in the theme park chapter(s?) and even turned her into a damsel in distress. Other than that, she is moe~. |
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