| Knowing that the 1986 saint seiya anime was cut short in april 1989 during the Poseidon arc and before even the manga ended in 1990, my theory is that it was done so free up additional staff and resources at Toei Animation to focus more on Dragon Ball Z, my reasoning for this thinking is the suspiciously coincidental time frame between when saint seiya ended on Apr 1st, 1989 and DBZ started on Apr 26th, 1989 which leads me to believe the cancellation was done to move the saint seiya staff into the production of dbz. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1254/Saint_Seiya https://myanimelist.net/anime/813/Dragon_Ball_Z   |
tchitchouanAug 21, 1:32 AM
| No original Dragon Ball was. https://myanimelist.net/anime/223/Dragon_Ball Aired: Feb 26, 1986 to Apr 12, 1989 |
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| No, they just simply ran out of source material because the manga was monthly. |
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| and also within the studio(building) there are multiple teams dedicated to work on that said series they were attached to no matter if there is other high profile anime or not this won't be affected because once again different team works on that project, also production schedule matters the most as well in which most older era anime what I like to call serialized era anime had very healthy production schedule even when not airing with limited run like current anime. |
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| No. The anime was cancelled for two main reasons, as far as I am aware of. 1. The anime's popularity in Japan fell off after the 12 Temples Arc. If they were to produce more Saint Seiya, it would most likely only succeed in Latin America and Europe. 2. The anime was outpacing the manga. This is partially why I think Toei approached One Piece differently. I also heard that the author was getting tired. |
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| no, obviously not. first off, the two shows had completely different staff working on them. the only meaningful overlap was one of the writers, but he had already switched to DB halfway through the series long before the discontinuation. secondly, Dragon Ball Z is a direct continuation of Dragon Ball, and I don't just mean in terms of story. it's made by the same staff, for the same channel, in the same time slot. DBZ started airing the week after DB's last episode. for all intents and purposes, it's the same show. they just decided to put a Z at the end for one reason or another. |
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No. The anime was cancelled for two main reasons, as far as I am aware of.
1. The anime's popularity in Japan fell off after the 12 Temples Arc. If they were to produce more Saint Seiya, it would most likely only succeed in Latin America and Europe.
2. The anime was outpacing the manga. This is partially why I think Toei approached One Piece differently.
I also heard that the author was getting tired.
1. The anime's popularity in Japan fell off after the 12 Temples Arc. If they were to produce more Saint Seiya, it would most likely only succeed in Latin America and Europe.
2. The anime was outpacing the manga. This is partially why I think Toei approached One Piece differently.
I also heard that the author was getting tired.
| @Fukoku toei in order not to outpace the manga when adapting one piece manga while not creating filler due to risks associated with it they decided to implement in most episodes recap that last 4 to 5 minutes long to make actual episodes 4 to 5 minutes shorter in duration to not overpace the manga while still having very natural flow/pacing. 1 and 3 is non existend, the manga was monthly and the anime of saint seiya just simply ran out of source material hence they continued it with sequel via ova 2 decades later. |
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tchitchouan said: leads me to believe the cancellation was done to move the saint seiya staff into the production of dbz. That would explain why DBZ is so different from earlier Dragon Ball. |
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How could Saint Seiya have been serialized monthly if it ran in a weekly magazine?
How could Saint Seiya have been serialized monthly if it ran in a weekly magazine?
| @Lucifrost sometimes back then wsj allowed manga tu run monthly, look at the page count of every chapter it is 44 pages than usual weeklt 17 to 21 |
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| I think Saint Seiya was a good anime. I enjoyed it on YTV. |
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| It wss Different Staff Teams according to production insiders, Saint Seiya and DBZ had largely separate teams. Saint Seiya was catching up to the manga, which was monthly. Toei had already created filler arcs (like Asgard) to buy time, After the 12 Temples arc, Saint Seiya’s domestic ratings dipped. It remained huge in south America and Europe, but Toei prioritized Japanese viewers and TV ratings. Remember that there was no internet back then. |
| this is the worst reasoning I have ever read on mal |
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| From what I know, the reason Saint Seiya got canceled after the Poseidon arc was less spectacular and was something that could be called "the humdrum of life," heh. The Asgard arc is one of the main reasons. Even though it's popular outside of Japan (although I wasn't a huge fan of it when I was a kid, lol), it was not popular in Japan back then. It must have been disappointing for many people working on it that a filler arc with relatively high production quality and care, designed to feel like more than just a typical filler, didn't resonate with the local audience. This led to a decline in viewership and popularity that surely affected the merchandise's condition in a negative way - a clear sign of trouble for the franchise. It's not that the manga sales went dramatically downhill, however. The manga sold fairly well back then, but the Poseidon arc was simply way less popular than the iconic Sanctuary arc. Combined with the anime's decreasing popularity and the fact that the show itself had outpaced the manga, it led to a serious discussion about putting the series on a hiatus or even canceling the anime entirely after the Poseidon arc. The studio was faced with a tough choice: continue the anime with another filler arc, risking a further decrease in popularity regardless of the quality, or take a safer route by trying something else, like focusing on a different and more popular franchise. This is where Dragon Ball Z comes in. DBZ was a big hit and its popularity was gradually increasing, not decreasing like in Saint Seiya's case. DBZ also faced a similar situation with the anime outpacing the manga at one point. And yet, those filler moments, like the ones that happened during the intense Goku vs. Frieza fight, didn't negatively affect viewership, even if they made the whole fight dragged out and objectively less dynamic. As time passed and more Dragon Ball manga chapters were released and ready to be adapted, the Saint Seiya anime had kinda become obsolete and had to move along to make way for the new hit series. That meant the Saint Seiya anime entering an indefinite hiatus. It also affected the movie franchise, as the last movie, Saint Seiya: Warriors of the Final Holy Battle, was released in the same year the TV series ended, and no new films were produced until 2004's Saint Seiya: Heaven Chapter - Overture. That being said, it's not like the Saint Seiya anime was forgotten. There were concrete plans to adapt the Hades arc in the 1990s, most likely in an OVA format. An official announcement in V-Jump signaled the possibility of the anime's continuation, and in 1990, a drama album dedicated to the Hades arc was released with high-quality tracks, including the famous "Dead or Dead" tune, which is widely believed to be the planned opening theme for the Hades OVA. The existence of such an announcement and professional pre-production material surely indicated that the first steps were taken to make the Hades arc a reality. And yet, it didn't happen. Many fans, including me, blame the crash from the early 1990s (the collapse of the "Bubble Economy" in Japan) for negatively affecting the production and eventually canceling the whole project. Personally, though, I don't blame anyone for it. It would have been difficult to produce an anime in such tough circumstances, especially when the company's focus had clearly shifted to another popular series (DBZ). Reviving a series from a long hiatus would have been a huge gamble. Luckily, the topic of this arc's anime adaptation returned in the 2000s and resulted in it being entirely adapted into the OVA format. Anyway, to answer your question @tchitchouan, the Saint Seiya anime was not canceled because of DBZ in my opinion. DBZ's success simply made it a decision to take a longer break from the Saint Seiya anime, or even step away from continuing its story in the animated format, easier. It wasn't the cause, but rather solidified a decision that had already been made. |
AdnashAug 21, 1:52 AM
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No, they just simply ran out of source material because the manga was monthly.
| @jacobPOL It's true that the anime outpaced the manga in terms of completed arcs. However, the manga was serialized in Weekly Shounen Jump, so it was published on a weekly basis, not monthly. If it were a monthly series, it certainly wouldn't have been completed in just under five years, lol. From what I've read, the weekly chapters were later rearranged and combined for the volume releases. This is a common practice that helps achieve a more cinematic feel and better flow, especially during long action sequences. It also explains why a single volume could contain just four exceptionally long chapters. This re-editing also allowed for corrections to be made. For example, in the magazine version, the shadow of Hyoga's master looked like Scorpio Milo, but it was corrected to look like Aquarius Camus in the final volume release. It makes you wonder if Scorpio Milo was at first intended to be Hyoga's master, eh? Either way, it's a fact that Masami Kurumada changed his mind at some point. In my opinion, this change was great, haha. ;) |
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From what I know, the reason Saint Seiya got canceled after the Poseidon arc was less spectacular and was something that could be called "the humdrum of life," heh.
The Asgard arc is one of the main reasons. Even though it's popular outside of Japan (although I wasn't a huge fan of it when I was a kid, lol), it was not popular in Japan back then. It must have been disappointing for many people working on it that a filler arc with relatively high production quality and care, designed to feel like more than just a typical filler, didn't resonate with the local audience. This led to a decline in viewership and popularity that surely affected the merchandise's condition in a negative way - a clear sign of trouble for the franchise.
It's not that the manga sales went dramatically downhill, however. The manga sold fairly well back then, but the Poseidon arc was simply way less popular than the iconic Sanctuary arc. Combined with the anime's decreasing popularity and the fact that the show itself had outpaced the manga, it led to a serious discussion about putting the series on a hiatus or even canceling the anime entirely after the Poseidon arc. The studio was faced with a tough choice: continue the anime with another filler arc, risking a further decrease in popularity regardless of the quality, or take a safer route by trying something else, like focusing on a different and more popular franchise.
This is where Dragon Ball Z comes in. DBZ was a big hit and its popularity was gradually increasing, not decreasing like in Saint Seiya's case. DBZ also faced a similar situation with the anime outpacing the manga at one point. And yet, those filler moments, like the ones that happened during the intense Goku vs. Frieza fight, didn't negatively affect viewership, even if they made the whole fight dragged out and objectively less dynamic. As time passed and more Dragon Ball manga chapters were released and ready to be adapted, the Saint Seiya anime had kinda become obsolete and had to move along to make way for the new hit series. That meant the Saint Seiya anime entering an indefinite hiatus. It also affected the movie franchise, as the last movie, Saint Seiya: Warriors of the Final Holy Battle, was released in the same year the TV series ended, and no new films were produced until 2004's Saint Seiya: Heaven Chapter - Overture.
That being said, it's not like the Saint Seiya anime was forgotten. There were concrete plans to adapt the Hades arc in the 1990s, most likely in an OVA format. An official announcement in V-Jump signaled the possibility of the anime's continuation, and in 1990, a drama album dedicated to the Hades arc was released with high-quality tracks, including the famous "Dead or Dead" tune, which is widely believed to be the planned opening theme for the Hades OVA. The existence of such an announcement and professional pre-production material surely indicated that the first steps were taken to make the Hades arc a reality. And yet, it didn't happen. Many fans, including me, blame the crash from the early 1990s (the collapse of the "Bubble Economy" in Japan) for negatively affecting the production and eventually canceling the whole project. Personally, though, I don't blame anyone for it. It would have been difficult to produce an anime in such tough circumstances, especially when the company's focus had clearly shifted to another popular series (DBZ). Reviving a series from a long hiatus would have been a huge gamble. Luckily, the topic of this arc's anime adaptation returned in the 2000s and resulted in it being entirely adapted into the OVA format.
Anyway, to answer your question @tchitchouan, the Saint Seiya anime was not canceled because of DBZ in my opinion. DBZ's success simply made it a decision to take a longer break from the Saint Seiya anime, or even step away from continuing its story in the animated format, easier. It wasn't the cause, but rather solidified a decision that had already been made.
The Asgard arc is one of the main reasons. Even though it's popular outside of Japan (although I wasn't a huge fan of it when I was a kid, lol), it was not popular in Japan back then. It must have been disappointing for many people working on it that a filler arc with relatively high production quality and care, designed to feel like more than just a typical filler, didn't resonate with the local audience. This led to a decline in viewership and popularity that surely affected the merchandise's condition in a negative way - a clear sign of trouble for the franchise.
It's not that the manga sales went dramatically downhill, however. The manga sold fairly well back then, but the Poseidon arc was simply way less popular than the iconic Sanctuary arc. Combined with the anime's decreasing popularity and the fact that the show itself had outpaced the manga, it led to a serious discussion about putting the series on a hiatus or even canceling the anime entirely after the Poseidon arc. The studio was faced with a tough choice: continue the anime with another filler arc, risking a further decrease in popularity regardless of the quality, or take a safer route by trying something else, like focusing on a different and more popular franchise.
This is where Dragon Ball Z comes in. DBZ was a big hit and its popularity was gradually increasing, not decreasing like in Saint Seiya's case. DBZ also faced a similar situation with the anime outpacing the manga at one point. And yet, those filler moments, like the ones that happened during the intense Goku vs. Frieza fight, didn't negatively affect viewership, even if they made the whole fight dragged out and objectively less dynamic. As time passed and more Dragon Ball manga chapters were released and ready to be adapted, the Saint Seiya anime had kinda become obsolete and had to move along to make way for the new hit series. That meant the Saint Seiya anime entering an indefinite hiatus. It also affected the movie franchise, as the last movie, Saint Seiya: Warriors of the Final Holy Battle, was released in the same year the TV series ended, and no new films were produced until 2004's Saint Seiya: Heaven Chapter - Overture.
That being said, it's not like the Saint Seiya anime was forgotten. There were concrete plans to adapt the Hades arc in the 1990s, most likely in an OVA format. An official announcement in V-Jump signaled the possibility of the anime's continuation, and in 1990, a drama album dedicated to the Hades arc was released with high-quality tracks, including the famous "Dead or Dead" tune, which is widely believed to be the planned opening theme for the Hades OVA. The existence of such an announcement and professional pre-production material surely indicated that the first steps were taken to make the Hades arc a reality. And yet, it didn't happen. Many fans, including me, blame the crash from the early 1990s (the collapse of the "Bubble Economy" in Japan) for negatively affecting the production and eventually canceling the whole project. Personally, though, I don't blame anyone for it. It would have been difficult to produce an anime in such tough circumstances, especially when the company's focus had clearly shifted to another popular series (DBZ). Reviving a series from a long hiatus would have been a huge gamble. Luckily, the topic of this arc's anime adaptation returned in the 2000s and resulted in it being entirely adapted into the OVA format.
Anyway, to answer your question @tchitchouan, the Saint Seiya anime was not canceled because of DBZ in my opinion. DBZ's success simply made it a decision to take a longer break from the Saint Seiya anime, or even step away from continuing its story in the animated format, easier. It wasn't the cause, but rather solidified a decision that had already been made.
| @Adnash Thank you for the detailed explanation. |
| Objectively they didn't make the fights less dynamic, otherwise I would have been bored during my last rewatch in japanese of DBZ. The only time I was bored was during the less-action packed part, the one with the failed Kamen Rider spoof going by the name of The Great Saiyaman, and precisely in the episode when the Great Saiyaman makes a movie about himself (if you want an excellent thing about superheroes producing a movie about themselves, check The Avataro Sentai Donbrothers First New Love Hero movie written by the Maestro/best toku writer of all times Toshiki Inoue). The fights also were CLEARLY taken from Hokuto No Ken, and again I don't remember being bored by the fights of HNK 1. On my they didn't continue it, I have no idea, maybe the Akira Toriyama syndrome of repeating yourself at nauseam wasn't as fruitful in the case of hack Masami Kurumada and they decided to diverge the money from Saint Seiya to DBZ, who knows. All I know is that, after those 109 episodes and linked OAVs, nothing was ever made period. Funny enough, even if it's not the best arc ever (that being the Asgard one), the only action figure I bought when they sold them regularly in supermarkets and they weren't an expensive collector's item from the line was Sea Horse from the Poseidon Arc. |
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@Adnash Thank you for the detailed explanation.
| @tchitchouan You're welcome! I'm happy that I could help, hehe. It's surely an interesting topic. After all, the whole manga had to wait for its anime adaptation's completion until 2008, when the final bit of Hades arc OVA was released. :P |
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@jacobPOL It's true that the anime outpaced the manga in terms of completed arcs. However, the manga was serialized in Weekly Shounen Jump, so it was published on a weekly basis, not monthly. If it were a monthly series, it certainly wouldn't have been completed in just under five years, lol.
From what I've read, the weekly chapters were later rearranged and combined for the volume releases. This is a common practice that helps achieve a more cinematic feel and better flow, especially during long action sequences. It also explains why a single volume could contain just four exceptionally long chapters.
This re-editing also allowed for corrections to be made. For example, in the magazine version, the shadow of Hyoga's master looked like Scorpio Milo, but it was corrected to look like Aquarius Camus in the final volume release. It makes you wonder if Scorpio Milo was at first intended to be Hyoga's master, eh? Either way, it's a fact that Masami Kurumada changed his mind at some point. In my opinion, this change was great, haha. ;)
From what I've read, the weekly chapters were later rearranged and combined for the volume releases. This is a common practice that helps achieve a more cinematic feel and better flow, especially during long action sequences. It also explains why a single volume could contain just four exceptionally long chapters.
This re-editing also allowed for corrections to be made. For example, in the magazine version, the shadow of Hyoga's master looked like Scorpio Milo, but it was corrected to look like Aquarius Camus in the final volume release. It makes you wonder if Scorpio Milo was at first intended to be Hyoga's master, eh? Either way, it's a fact that Masami Kurumada changed his mind at some point. In my opinion, this change was great, haha. ;)
| @Adnash oh now makes sense why these chapters were 44 pages per chapter consodering it was a weekly manga magazine, thanks for the info. |
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@tchitchouan You're welcome! I'm happy that I could help, hehe. It's surely an interesting topic. After all, the whole manga had to wait for its anime adaptation's completion until 2008, when the final bit of Hades arc OVA was released. :P
| @Adnash Yes indeed, the manga had to wait a long time to be fully adapted. |
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@Adnash oh now makes sense why these chapters were 44 pages per chapter consodering it was a weekly manga magazine, thanks for the info.
| @jacobPOL You're welcome! Yeah, a long time ago I also wondered why some chapters in the volume releases were so long, even though the series had been serialized in a weekly magazine. After doing some research, I came across an explanation. Is it the definitive answer about how it was in reality? No idea, but it does seem very likely, very logical and makes the most sense out of all the ones I've seen. When you also factor in the occasional re-edits done to the volume releases (i.e. the one I mentioned with Hyoga's master), it becomes even more plausible that weekly chapters were simply rearranged for the volume releases. ;) |
| No. The proximity of the dates was just a coincidence. |
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