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| The complicated relationship between Hikaru and Yoshiki continues...now even Hikaru is curious about his own identity. The mood this episode was nice though. Festival with fun, food, and high spirits. Still the same vibes as usual though. I guess Yoshiki has reached the acceptance phase where Hikaru is who he is now. |
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| The story is finally getting going! All this talk about what’s on the mountain coming down and how bad it is, I’m starting to think the villagers are the real bad guys. Would very much be in line with the whole homophobia theme that this series is providing commentary on. Plus, we now know why “it” latched onto Hikaru and wants to be with Yoshiki thanks to that post-credits scene! The fact they’re being so secretive with Tanaka and the lack of churches in the village compared to the other surrounding communities makes me think there’s some dark shit at play in this village. What that is I couldn’t begin to speculate on, but why invite someone in to help you and not give them the full context of the place? Seems sus. As for our two leads, it was nice to see them get a chance to enjoy the festival, if only for a little. This village is so damn messy though. Talking shit about Kaoru and she and Yoshiki’s mom is so nasty. You don’t even know the circumstances WHY she’s homeschooled and why does it matter to you in the first place 🤦🏽♂️ that and the flashback where Yoshiki talks about how people say Yasuke’s “diseased” because he’s gay reflects the closed minded mentality of small backwoods places like this. Anything that goes against the established societal norms is seen as bad or an illness. You can see the pain on Yoshiki’s face when OG Hikaru brought it up too because Yoshiki himself is struggling with his sexual identity. Yoshiki was due for a breakdown too. Between losing his best friend and slowly realizing he’s falling in love with this “fake” Hikaru, not to mention his internal conflict over his sexuality.. he’s going thru a lot and everyone needs a good cry once in a while. The way he grabs Hikaru’s shirt so he doesn’t leave him alone is soo cute I love them sm. Speaking of being left alone, that post credits scene where we finally see how OG Hikaru died and why the spirit latched onto him is interesting. For one, it’s CRAZY that he died after getting distracted by some titties, for two, the fact his last thoughts were of Yoshiki and how he didn’t want him left alone 😭 “it” inherited his will. Even after death, Hikaru continues protecting and staying with Yoshiki ❤️ I still can’t quite get a read on the spirit medium Rie and what she’s up to.. also, the school girl who can hear spirits.. I thought she might be involved with Tanaka, but now I’m not sure anymore lol. This story is so interesting |
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DON'T FORGET TO WATCH POST-CREDITS SCENE Y'ALL!!! It's like, really, really important |
FireSalamanderJul 26, 10:38 AM
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Very interesting when Yoshi said Hikaru corpse is in a better condition than he thought, that could imply so many things...
| @phantomfandom Personally, i think he was just coping by trying to rationalize the sight he was seeing. It was a terrifying experience, and he was trying to just focus on something. But that just kinda traumatized him even more. |
Ngl the anime was so crazy for putting like, the most important scene in the show (the truth about the inciting incident) in the post-credits xD It's so bold I almost respect it. But also, I am terrified of people misinterpreting stuff for the next few weeks because they missed it xD |
| Another great episode |
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| Hikaru really slipped and died cause he got distracted by the titty tree 😔 |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
| This episode has a translation issue in the captions. When Yoshiki finds Hikaru's body in the woods he says the phrase "死体って案外キレイだよ" which mostly means "Dead bodies are surprisingly beautiful" but the English (and other languages ad well) translated it as "His body is less damaged than I'd expect" The issue here lies in the word キレイ(Kirei) which can mean both beautiful and clean in japanese. Given the context of Yoshiki's feelings for Hikaru and his body being obviously dirty and bloody (therefore not clean) I think the better translation would be "beautiful" and the Netflix one seemed like a stretch. |
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This episode has a translation issue in the captions. When Yoshiki finds Hikaru's body in the woods he says the phrase "死体って案外キレイだよ" which mostly means "Dead bodies are surprisingly beautiful" but the English (and other languages ad well) translated it as "His body is less damaged than I'd expect"
The issue here lies in the word キレイ(Kirei) which can mean both beautiful and clean in japanese. Given the context of Yoshiki's feelings for Hikaru and his body being obviously dirty and bloody (therefore not clean) I think the better translation would be "beautiful" and the Netflix one seemed like a stretch.
The issue here lies in the word キレイ(Kirei) which can mean both beautiful and clean in japanese. Given the context of Yoshiki's feelings for Hikaru and his body being obviously dirty and bloody (therefore not clean) I think the better translation would be "beautiful" and the Netflix one seemed like a stretch.
| @LunaLov I don't know Japanese, but in translation that line is followed with "I wonder why. Ah, that's right. Must be 'cause it's winter" Perhaps that's why they went with the other translation? It implies that Yoshiki meant that the corpse was well preserved because it's winter. And it was mentioned by Takeda this episode that Hikaru was missing for a whole week. But then again that line could be a translation error too and I wouldn't know, so I wanted to ask if that's the case and I'm missing something? |
| All Yoshiki and Hikaru's scenes have so much feeling. Seeing Yoshiki crying broke me 😢😢. He is the only one who knows the true Hikaru, therefore only he knows he's not the real one... I'm gonna keep reading the manga and the anime, and hope that the anime keeps doing a great job by animating the scenes. Not thanks to Netflix awful and censored translation of course 🙄 |
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| There are many churches in the surrounding villages and this one only has the shrine. "What exactly are you worshipping here?" Very interesting. I feel so bad for yoshiki's sister with these gossiping townspeople... Leave. Her. Alone. Now that I've started reading the manga I feel like the anime is spoiling it for me. Post credit scene... the consensual posession. the "me and the bestie both consent to this entity puppeteering his corpse so I won't have to be without him." I thought the entity might have caused what happened to Yoshiki when and after he found the body but I guess it was just shock.. Weird Yoshiki isn't suspicious of that in retrospect |
| Did he just got distracted by a… seductive tree and fell to his death? 😭 😂Everyone be sure to watch the post credit scene since it’s very important. |
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FireSalamander said: @LunaLov I don't know Japanese, but in translation that line is followed with "I wonder why. Ah, that's right. Must be 'cause it's winter" Perhaps that's why they went with the other translation? It implies that Yoshiki meant that the corpse was well preserved because it's winter. And it was mentioned by Takeda this episode that Hikaru was missing for a whole week. But then again that line could be a translation error too and I wouldn't know, so I wanted to ask if that's the case and I'm missing something? That does make sense, but I've seen some oficial manga translations using the "beautiful" meaning so that got me thinking. I wouldn't doubt that was just netflix playing safe and not showing gay undertones since that has happened in portuguese/spanish subtitles in episode 1. |
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| So is that lady just like Hikaru? She's acting weird and is also able to see the weird stuff. Hikaru wanted to go to the festival, but was it really just the "thing" inside of him? Plus, even past Hikaru was worried about Toshiki, so he basically allowed the "thing" to get into him. |
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@LunaLov I don't know Japanese, but in translation that line is followed with "I wonder why. Ah, that's right. Must be 'cause it's winter"
Perhaps that's why they went with the other translation? It implies that Yoshiki meant that the corpse was well preserved because it's winter. And it was mentioned by Takeda this episode that Hikaru was missing for a whole week.
But then again that line could be a translation error too and I wouldn't know, so I wanted to ask if that's the case and I'm missing something?
Perhaps that's why they went with the other translation? It implies that Yoshiki meant that the corpse was well preserved because it's winter. And it was mentioned by Takeda this episode that Hikaru was missing for a whole week.
But then again that line could be a translation error too and I wouldn't know, so I wanted to ask if that's the case and I'm missing something?
| @FireSalamander @LunaLov I think maybe the intention was a word play, and the original audience would've gotten both meanings, while the intended meaning was likely that the body was in a surprisingly good condition - later in the episode we find out that 'Hikaru' took a few days to fix Hikaru's body, but they met when Hikaru was still alive. So by the time Yoshiki found him, the body likely would've been in a surprisingly good condition, since it was actively being fixed in that moment |
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@FireSalamander @LunaLov
I think maybe the intention was a word play, and the original audience would've gotten both meanings, while the intended meaning was likely that the body was in a surprisingly good condition - later in the episode we find out that 'Hikaru' took a few days to fix Hikaru's body, but they met when Hikaru was still alive. So by the time Yoshiki found him, the body likely would've been in a surprisingly good condition, since it was actively being fixed in that moment
I think maybe the intention was a word play, and the original audience would've gotten both meanings, while the intended meaning was likely that the body was in a surprisingly good condition - later in the episode we find out that 'Hikaru' took a few days to fix Hikaru's body, but they met when Hikaru was still alive. So by the time Yoshiki found him, the body likely would've been in a surprisingly good condition, since it was actively being fixed in that moment
| @elany That's a very interesting perspective, if that was the intention there would be no right translation that would fully encapsulate the double meaning I guess Honestly when reading this series there were a lot of times when I though "damn, I wish I knew Japanese", especially after reading in depth analysis by people who know the language and realizing how much I'm missing. I do love reading them and I am grateful for every single analysis, but it does make me a bit jealous, I'm definitely missing out on part of the experience haha |
| Not the suspicious tree being the culprit for Hikaru's death. For real though, even if they showed he tripped after seeing the tree, he feel backwards, so it doesn't make much sense his left eye got damaged (you can even notice it wasn't even moving, like the right eye when he was in his last moments), so there's something else to this. But this scene is really important, as it seems to show that the Monster Hikaru inherited Hikaru's will of not letting Yoshiki alone. Honestly, this episode was super depressing. First we have the fact that Hikaru was left all alone dealing with whatever that Ritual is, that even made him lose his life. Also, let's remember that Hikaru's dad said to him, in episode 2, that Inuki would drag to the mountain the person closest to him, as it can't drag Hikaru's family members, since it was really "lonely" (oddly similar to what Monster Hikaru has been shown to be so far). And then Yoshiki actually discovered Hikaru's dead body in the mountain... That must have been traumatizing, to the point he just collapsed 3 days after he discovered Hikaru. Not only that, but we can clearly see he basically got a panic attack when he discovered Hikaru dead. So from the get go he knew Hikaru was dead, and explains why, in a way, he was expecting the Monster Hikaru, to not be the real Hikaru. This is just depressing, especially after the scenes they have shown us, how Yoshiki feels suffocated in that town, living with what seems to be an abusive family, and everyone in town likes to put even more pressure on him. This episode they straight up brought the theme of homossexuality, which just further shows this is going to be an important topic for the show. It's clear that town isn't very friendly to the LGBT community, as it declared a person deceased only because he was gay. Knowing this, we can conclude this is something else adding to the pressure of Yoshiki of being isolated from the town. Hikaru was his only breath of fresh air, his "city", and now he's gone :( Monster Hikaru can't replace him, even if it's intentions are good. I don't know, I ended this episode really depressed. I'm just feeling so bad for Yoshiki... Also, what's the matter with his sister? What did his mom/father do to her sister, that the townspeople are talking about? Also, I just noticed, but in the ending, we can see Yoshiki still has the scar Monster Hikaru left on him last episode, on the arm. So much to say about this anime, but I'll leave it to another time. This is really being so good so far. I'm really excited for the next episode! |
| another great episode i don't know if i want them to catch him or not... |
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| It sure is one of the more unusual ways to go but can you really blame Hikaru for getting distracted? Those were some impressive curves for a tree |
| Festivals rock! Small town gossip sucks! The only thing worse is casting a barrier that requires the use of an internal organ, like yikes! To think the reason that thing is by him is because Hikaru slipped, fell, and made a dying wish. |
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| this is so incredibly well done |
| 🌈 i just want gintama back |
| Interesting to see the moment Hikaru died and combined with the creature This guy from the company is pretty cool too |
| Honestly, if I died because I got distracted by a tree with boobies, I wouldn’t even be mad lol, but wow that is not how I thought the real Hikaru bit the dust, it’s funny but tragic at the same time, this along with Yoshiki discovering the body are two important bits of lore that I’m glad we finally got to see. And it’s pretty beautiful that the last thing Hikaru thought of was not wanting to leave Yoshiki all alone, I wonder if that influenced the goopy entity or not. I also really liked the scene by the creek between Yoshiki and Hikaru, I’m glad Yoshiki can be more open now about his feelings for the current situation, of course Hikaru is still slightly creepy but I like the progression of their relationship. We got some more Mr. Grave Encounters/Tanaka content here too, we’re still pretty much getting bread crumbs here but the mention of there being no churches in this town was pretty interesting, so this village has been worshipping something for a very long time, ain’t that just like a remote Japanese village lol. And hey bro actually caught something in his force field, but damn those things take organs to make? You don’t get infinite of those so I hope Tanaka is doing okay lol, but I’m liking that he’s getting closer to discovering where the imposter is. And Kurebayashi is out here dealing with ghosts too? Well I guess it’s good we have people trying to stop what’s going on at least. Also, Asako really embarrassed a fella in an arm wrestling match lol, he will never recover from this loss. |
| Honestly Hikaru, what a dumb way to die. But then now I know that even with your last breathe, your true wish was to keep Yoshiki always safe. You will be remembered, hero. LOL |
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This episode has a translation issue in the captions. When Yoshiki finds Hikaru's body in the woods he says the phrase "死体って案外キレイだよ" which mostly means "Dead bodies are surprisingly beautiful" but the English (and other languages ad well) translated it as "His body is less damaged than I'd expect"
The issue here lies in the word キレイ(Kirei) which can mean both beautiful and clean in japanese. Given the context of Yoshiki's feelings for Hikaru and his body being obviously dirty and bloody (therefore not clean) I think the better translation would be "beautiful" and the Netflix one seemed like a stretch.
The issue here lies in the word キレイ(Kirei) which can mean both beautiful and clean in japanese. Given the context of Yoshiki's feelings for Hikaru and his body being obviously dirty and bloody (therefore not clean) I think the better translation would be "beautiful" and the Netflix one seemed like a stretch.
This episode has a translation issue in the captions. When Yoshiki finds Hikaru's body in the woods he says the phrase "死体って案外キレイだよ" which mostly means "Dead bodies are surprisingly beautiful" but the English (and other languages ad well) translated it as "His body is less damaged than I'd expect" The issue here lies in the word キレイ(Kirei) which can mean both beautiful and clean in japanese. Given the context of Yoshiki's feelings for Hikaru and his body being obviously dirty and bloody (therefore not clean) I think the better translation would be "beautiful" and the Netflix one seemed like a stretch. @LunaLov THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO, like that scene could've been interpreted as Yoshiki being unable to get over/cope with the fact that Hikaru was dead, or he was fapping to a dead body |
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| This show works best when the old plot isn't getting in the way of the weird, unsettling mystery with the main two. Even with the story being sped up, it's still pretty good. |
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@elany That's a very interesting perspective, if that was the intention there would be no right translation that would fully encapsulate the double meaning I guess
Honestly when reading this series there were a lot of times when I though "damn, I wish I knew Japanese", especially after reading in depth analysis by people who know the language and realizing how much I'm missing. I do love reading them and I am grateful for every single analysis, but it does make me a bit jealous, I'm definitely missing out on part of the experience haha
Honestly when reading this series there were a lot of times when I though "damn, I wish I knew Japanese", especially after reading in depth analysis by people who know the language and realizing how much I'm missing. I do love reading them and I am grateful for every single analysis, but it does make me a bit jealous, I'm definitely missing out on part of the experience haha
| @FireSalamander Right? Back when the fan translators first dropped the series I tried reading the raws myself, figured it'd be good practice if nothing else and was immediately hit with that whole ship of Theseus discussion the kids have at some point. And lemme just say, my Japanese? NOT at that level lmao If you have any of those analyses on hand tho, I'd love to read them! But no need to get out of your way if you don't haha On a completely unrelated note, this episode made me think about the ell-jee-bee-tea scene, because the anime, at least as it was translated, makes Hikaru seem far more with it than the manga, where he appears a bit lost, like maybe he's talking about something he heard on the TV once but doesn't really know anything more about than that. Which got me thinking - why did Yoshiki know about the neighbour's son being gay, but Hikaru only knew the rumours? I've always figured it's because well, Yoshiki being gay himself would obviously be more sensitive to that kinda thing - and that probably is part of it. But I think it might actually have less to so with what the rumour is about and more with just the fact that it's a rumour? If there's somebody who's unlikely to believe rumours at face value, it's be the Tsujinaka kids, right? And I feel some of that refusal to believe rumours reflects in how he deals with the supernatural, and especially 'Hikaru' as well. Hmm time to bring out my tankobon and check if any of this holds water haha |
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@FireSalamander
Right? Back when the fan translators first dropped the series I tried reading the raws myself, figured it'd be good practice if nothing else and was immediately hit with that whole ship of Theseus discussion the kids have at some point. And lemme just say, my Japanese? NOT at that level lmao
If you have any of those analyses on hand tho, I'd love to read them! But no need to get out of your way if you don't haha
On a completely unrelated note, this episode made me think about the ell-jee-bee-tea scene, because the anime, at least as it was translated, makes Hikaru seem far more with it than the manga, where he appears a bit lost, like maybe he's talking about something he heard on the TV once but doesn't really know anything more about than that.
Which got me thinking - why did Yoshiki know about the neighbour's son being gay, but Hikaru only knew the rumours? I've always figured it's because well, Yoshiki being gay himself would obviously be more sensitive to that kinda thing - and that probably is part of it. But I think it might actually have less to so with what the rumour is about and more with just the fact that it's a rumour? If there's somebody who's unlikely to believe rumours at face value, it's be the Tsujinaka kids, right? And I feel some of that refusal to believe rumours reflects in how he deals with the supernatural, and especially 'Hikaru' as well.
Hmm time to bring out my tankobon and check if any of this holds water haha
Right? Back when the fan translators first dropped the series I tried reading the raws myself, figured it'd be good practice if nothing else and was immediately hit with that whole ship of Theseus discussion the kids have at some point. And lemme just say, my Japanese? NOT at that level lmao
If you have any of those analyses on hand tho, I'd love to read them! But no need to get out of your way if you don't haha
On a completely unrelated note, this episode made me think about the ell-jee-bee-tea scene, because the anime, at least as it was translated, makes Hikaru seem far more with it than the manga, where he appears a bit lost, like maybe he's talking about something he heard on the TV once but doesn't really know anything more about than that.
Which got me thinking - why did Yoshiki know about the neighbour's son being gay, but Hikaru only knew the rumours? I've always figured it's because well, Yoshiki being gay himself would obviously be more sensitive to that kinda thing - and that probably is part of it. But I think it might actually have less to so with what the rumour is about and more with just the fact that it's a rumour? If there's somebody who's unlikely to believe rumours at face value, it's be the Tsujinaka kids, right? And I feel some of that refusal to believe rumours reflects in how he deals with the supernatural, and especially 'Hikaru' as well.
Hmm time to bring out my tankobon and check if any of this holds water haha
elany said: If you have any of those analyses on hand tho, I'd love to read them! But no need to get out of your way if you don't haha Sure, I sent you analysis from Chapter 21 that stuck with me the most on priv |
| these episodes aren't long enough aaaa |
| Putting the story and the horror elements aside I am still in awe after four episodes how well this anime put together in that sense how skillfully and tastefully tells whatever it is about at any moment. The name of the guy who made the storyboard and directed it doesn't ring a bell, but he is really a master of his craft. |
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