| Well, it's not the greatest anime of all time in my book, but I'm happy that you like it so much. Good for you. :3 |
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| This is one of the worst threads I have ever seen. |
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| Nah, it was good but I have enjoyed other shows more 🐧👍 |
| You obviously haven't been around a long time if you think AoT is the GOAT, While the first two seasons were peak, 3rd season sucked so bad I only made it half way through before I had to kick it to the curb. Never mind the 4th season, which way too many people criiticize, for it to have been much good, either. |
| The greatest of all time depends on what you look for in anime. I can see the appeal, but my goat would be Mashle s2. That aside, DragonBall, Naruto, OP, and Bleach are the generic branding of anime. Nowhere near goat at anything. Kind of like pokemon where the value of it stems on nostalgia. |
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| If by "best" you mean "most widely appealing" then I can agree. |
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| Sorry but I don't watch AoT. It seems too edgy. |
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| It was like pretty okay, until MAPPA took over, then it went downhill. Not entirely their fault, the author also tried to do too much with the story, that he didn't have the talent for. It's not only not the best, because of the bad finale it's hard to call it even good. |
| If Aot is "the best anime OAT" why do you have CSM in your favorites in front of it? |
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Well, it's not the greatest anime of all time in my book, but I'm happy that you like it so much. Good for you. :3
@Serafos ^^^^^^ exactly my thoughts |
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| No. The only notable thing it did is managing to grab the attention of people who would have never watched Japanese animation otherwise. |
| it certainly is one of the best ones and best oat for many. its top 1 for me. |
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| There's other animes outside battle shounen yk. |
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There's other animes outside battle shounen yk.
| @WaterMage I wouldn't categorize AoT as battle shounen though. |
| it stopped being goat when it stopped being survival horror. |
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| I love Shingeki no Kyojin, I personally wouldn't call it "best anime of all time", but I wouldn't call any anime that. - still I'm happy you like it enough to call it the best of all time. |
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| "Can we all agree that Attack on Titan is the best anime" Nope! Even between stuff mentioned here like One Piece, Dragon Ball, Baruto and Bleach it's not the best. The OP is a demonstration of indoctrinated taste in anime. |
alshuApr 10, 2:25 PM
| Aot, hmmm you've shared your opinion with some points, up untill the end of season 3 I don't think it is actually that deep [in terms of psychology and politics, maybe in season 3 a little bit cause of coup d'etat, as I think it happened in s3?], music up until the end of S3 was great as usually with Sawano Hiroyuki but the Final seasons no longer have it [as the composer was changed if I remember correctly it was Kohta?] and the only ost from later which I am familiar with is the remake/reuse of Blauklotze on Zoe final scene. And as you've expected I prefer Bleach over aot, as I simply dislike highly almost everything after the rumbling, cause I like the Zoe scene, outside that there is no longer anything I would like in it, which is why my rating on manga and final movie [the very end] is as harsh as it is. And the credits stuff which were the additional pages for finale in manga, were even worse than the ending itself. Additionally but that's a nitpick, despite being a good voice actor I am not liking that much of Yuki Kaiji [or however his name is] the voice of Eren, just not hitting my spot. Maybe later if I don't forget I'll take a look at Aot Requiem if the manga fan "remake" will make a proper fixing for ending, as it's been a while since I last checked on it. |
| I never even watched Attack on Titan. What is it about? |
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| Imo I think Steins Gate, Sailor Moon, and Major are much better anime than Attack on Titan. |
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| The best (and only good) anime is Malice@Doll. |
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| Oh you alerted the horde and the elitist that will claim that AoT it is shit compared to these other absolute goat animes (it just so happens to be the ones that they like a lot, it is just a coincidence). AoT is easy one of the best to introduce or share with a friend that not regularly watch anime, i mean it was a whole phenomenon that heavily contributed with anime being more common (for better and worse). It is a great anime, dont get me wrong, but personally my GOAT is 86. And in cases like this there is nothing else to add, no anime will be the absolute GOAT because everyone like or dislike certain things. |
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Reply to KenaiPhoenix
Oh you alerted the horde and the elitist that will claim that AoT it is shit compared to these other absolute goat animes (it just so happens to be the ones that they like a lot, it is just a coincidence).
AoT is easy one of the best to introduce or share with a friend that not regularly watch anime, i mean it was a whole phenomenon that heavily contributed with anime being more common (for better and worse).
It is a great anime, dont get me wrong, but personally my GOAT is 86. And in cases like this there is nothing else to add, no anime will be the absolute GOAT because everyone like or dislike certain things.
AoT is easy one of the best to introduce or share with a friend that not regularly watch anime, i mean it was a whole phenomenon that heavily contributed with anime being more common (for better and worse).
It is a great anime, dont get me wrong, but personally my GOAT is 86. And in cases like this there is nothing else to add, no anime will be the absolute GOAT because everyone like or dislike certain things.
KenaiPhoenix said: OP basically argued DB is inferior to AOT because it's "too simple". That's a pretty "elitist" argument. While I may be irritated by "elitists" in retro anime fan communities, battle shonen fanbases are by far the worst when it comes to "elitism". DB's simplicity, isn't the problem with that anime and frankly I think it doesn't crucify its characters, to the degree AOT does (granted I have yet to watch Super). Oh you alerted the horde and the elitist that will claim that AoT it is shit compared to these other absolute goat animes (it just so happens to be the ones that they like a lot, it is just a coincidence). Also sure, it's mainstream show, that introduces a lot of people to anime, doesn't mean that I as veteran fan would agree it's the best anime. It has a very illogical ending, character writing problems throughout the show, and in retrospect, I think when Isayama went harder into the politics angle, the story suffered, even if I liked Marley, on a first read. There are far better manga/anime at handling politics than AOT like Legend of the Galactic Heroes or Kingdom. It will be a memorable anime....probably, though with the current media environment who knows. It's going to be an EVA like series, where it's divisive however, popular and still well liked. Unlike EVA though, I didn't like where AOT went, in the end. Maybe I actually need to review the series again. Still, even if I have a better reception, yeah this show is nowhere near a work like LOTGH, I felt that way even when I was a big fanboy for it, and I think that is a fair show to compare it to, if that is the argument you are going to go with. I don't get why people need to state absolutes of, this show is the best of all time, no comparison. Like what if you hate action shows? I mean I will say that I find LOTGH my personal favourite show, however that has to do with my own personal interests/preferences. A lot of people will hate that anime. |
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| @JoeChip It is a shonen by demography? Yes. Are there battles in it? Also yes. AoT is heavily inspired by tokusatsu and giant monster films and also by the Muv-Luv franchise of visual novels, but the tokusatsu category is a japanese word for special effects so AoT definitely can't enter in that category being a manga and anime show, unless you're talking about the live action films that came later than can maybe be considered tokusatsu (And whose director went on to work alongside Hideaki Anno in Shin Godzilla.) You can also call it a military and survival series but honestly that wouldn't make it less of a battle shonen because as I said, it is a shonen and there are many one-on-one battles in the series even if they are not your typical battles with the usual power systems and level ups. What it wouldn't be then is a Dragon Ball-esque battle shonen. |
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| Greatest of all time is not something you can just bestow to a work willy nilly. I believe that currently, among everything I have seen, nothing even comes close to such a status. Of course it depends how you define it, but to me greatest of all time implies, its not just that its the anime you have enjoyed the most, but somehow critically, it stands above everything, and I simply don't think that it does. Nothing does, everything has strengths and weaknesses. There may be some areas (e.g. genres, classifications) where something is so groundbreaking and influential, well made and well thought out, that it deserves the title of greatest, but in an arena of all anime, I don't think there is a clear winner like that. At most, you could say that SnK is a highly influential masterpiece, that sounds more reasonable. Something something only a Sith deals in absolutes. If you asked me, Ginga eiyuu densetsu is way closer to being it, but whether we are talking about the old anime or the new one, it is marred by flaws that are hard to overlook (such as the robotic, 1 frame per second animation of the old anime, or the simplified, more generic designs of the the new). Narratively also, there are some things I don't think very highly of, but what it does well it does so well that few other anime can compete. The fact that the OP considers only highly popular shounen anime also reveals something about the discussion I think. Not because a shounen couldn't take the title, but because it does at least seemingly reveal that the search space was quite narrow. |
Ah, here we go again. Anyway, good for you dude. |
KenaiPhoenix said: Oh you alerted the horde and the elitist that will claim that AoT it is shit compared to these other absolute goat animes (it just so happens to be the ones that they like a lot, it is just a coincidence). Don't worry, there are plenty of anime I respect way more than AoT even if I rated them equally low or sometimes even lower. Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, Lain, Gundam, Mushishi to name a few. |
| To be honest I really don't care GOAT because sometimes is not my type rather go with my favorites than a goat that doesn't go with my type. |
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| Glad that you enjoyed it more than the other ten or so anime that you watched and took the time to let us know that it's the best of all time. As for me, overall, it was an enjoyable watch but there's many I thought were much better at what they set out to do. |
Reply to Atromentina
@JoeChip It is a shonen by demography? Yes.
Are there battles in it? Also yes.
AoT is heavily inspired by tokusatsu and giant monster films and also by the Muv-Luv franchise of visual novels, but the tokusatsu category is a japanese word for special effects so AoT definitely can't enter in that category being a manga and anime show, unless you're talking about the live action films that came later than can maybe be considered tokusatsu (And whose director went on to work alongside Hideaki Anno in Shin Godzilla.)
You can also call it a military and survival series but honestly that wouldn't make it less of a battle shonen because as I said, it is a shonen and there are many one-on-one battles in the series even if they are not your typical battles with the usual power systems and level ups. What it wouldn't be then is a Dragon Ball-esque battle shonen.
Are there battles in it? Also yes.
AoT is heavily inspired by tokusatsu and giant monster films and also by the Muv-Luv franchise of visual novels, but the tokusatsu category is a japanese word for special effects so AoT definitely can't enter in that category being a manga and anime show, unless you're talking about the live action films that came later than can maybe be considered tokusatsu (And whose director went on to work alongside Hideaki Anno in Shin Godzilla.)
You can also call it a military and survival series but honestly that wouldn't make it less of a battle shonen because as I said, it is a shonen and there are many one-on-one battles in the series even if they are not your typical battles with the usual power systems and level ups. What it wouldn't be then is a Dragon Ball-esque battle shonen.
| @Atromentina Thanks for telling us you don't know the difference between demographic and demography, no wonder you are using the word wrongly . If I knew my simple sentence would trigger you that much I would have added some more words. By this superior logic of yours, it is shounen and it has battles so it must be battle shounen, I guess you would call FMA a battle shounen as well, hell, Death Note has mind battles in it so it's a battle shounen by your definition, even though most people would disagree with these, here is the fun fact, there is no clear definition of battle shounen since it's an arbitrary term coined by the fans, not an official genre, so what you claim is not necessarily true and what I claim is not necessarily false, I simply stated my opinion by saying "I wouldn't categorize AoT as battle shounen" and you just couldn't accept it because of your ego. |
Reply to JoeChip
@Atromentina
Thanks for telling us you don't know the difference between demographic and demography, no wonder you are using the word wrongly .
If I knew my simple sentence would trigger you that much I would have added some more words. By this superior logic of yours, it is shounen and it has battles so it must be battle shounen, I guess you would call FMA a battle shounen as well, hell, Death Note has mind battles in it so it's a battle shounen by your definition, even though most people would disagree with these, here is the fun fact, there is no clear definition of battle shounen since it's an arbitrary term coined by the fans, not an official genre, so what you claim is not necessarily true and what I claim is not necessarily false, I simply stated my opinion by saying "I wouldn't categorize AoT as battle shounen" and you just couldn't accept it because of your ego.
Thanks for telling us you don't know the difference between demographic and demography, no wonder you are using the word wrongly .
If I knew my simple sentence would trigger you that much I would have added some more words. By this superior logic of yours, it is shounen and it has battles so it must be battle shounen, I guess you would call FMA a battle shounen as well, hell, Death Note has mind battles in it so it's a battle shounen by your definition, even though most people would disagree with these, here is the fun fact, there is no clear definition of battle shounen since it's an arbitrary term coined by the fans, not an official genre, so what you claim is not necessarily true and what I claim is not necessarily false, I simply stated my opinion by saying "I wouldn't categorize AoT as battle shounen" and you just couldn't accept it because of your ego.
| @JoeChip Yes exactly, FMA and Death Note are battle shounen also. Thanks for agreeing with me on this. Also, thanks for the linguistic explanation on the use of demographic against demography. I'll apply it from now on. |
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| No we all cant agree that its the best anime. |
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| I do think Attack on Titan has a strong case for being the greatest anime of all time. If you asked me I would say that it is. It is certainly not my favorite, as I would rank it 6th in my all time anime/manga (behind Steins;Gate, Mushoku Tensei, One Piece, Frieren and Kingdom (manga)), but Attack on Titan is definitely the whole package when it comes to anime in general. First of all, it is insanely popular because it is an anime that appeal to the great majority of people. The complexity of the story and amazing progression of characters and the plot as a whole is practically unrivaled in my eyes. Eren transformed from a mid mc to one of the best written characters oat. It is a finished story, that completes every plot point and character arc in a satisfying way (and I will not hear any manga readers that thought the ending was bad because of some stupid theories that they hold unto from months, literally the great majority of anime only watchers loved the ending), has some of the highest peaks in all of media and left a stupidly big impact on the community and outside of it. I would actually say that AOT is the main reason why anime is mainstream nowadays. Of the 5 aniems I mentioned before the only 2 I could think have a shot at it are Frieren and OP, but OP is indeed too inconsistent sometimes (although I would argue the peaks and complexity of the story are even greater than AOT) and Frieren is barely starting as a story and I doubt that it could someday reach even close to AOT's overall popularity and impact. |
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I do think Attack on Titan has a strong case for being the greatest anime of all time. If you asked me I would say that it is. It is certainly not my favorite, as I would rank it 6th in my all time anime/manga (behind Steins;Gate, Mushoku Tensei, One Piece, Frieren and Kingdom (manga)), but Attack on Titan is definitely the whole package when it comes to anime in general. First of all, it is insanely popular because it is an anime that appeal to the great majority of people. The complexity of the story and amazing progression of characters and the plot as a whole is practically unrivaled in my eyes. Eren transformed from a mid mc to one of the best written characters oat. It is a finished story, that completes every plot point and character arc in a satisfying way (and I will not hear any manga readers that thought the ending was bad because of some stupid theories that they hold unto from months, literally the great majority of anime only watchers loved the ending), has some of the highest peaks in all of media and left a stupidly big impact on the community and outside of it. I would actually say that AOT is the main reason why anime is mainstream nowadays. Of the 5 aniems I mentioned before the only 2 I could think have a shot at it are Frieren and OP, but OP is indeed too inconsistent sometimes (although I would argue the peaks and complexity of the story are even greater than AOT) and Frieren is barely starting as a story and I doubt that it could someday reach even close to AOT's overall popularity and impact.
| @DarkFirefly72 DarkFirefly72 said: literally the great majority of anime only watchers loved the ending Do you have any reliable source to prove that claim or it only exists in your head? |
Reply to JoeChip
@DarkFirefly72
Do you have any reliable source to prove that claim or it only exists in your head?
DarkFirefly72 said:
literally the great majority of anime only watchers loved the ending
literally the great majority of anime only watchers loved the ending
Do you have any reliable source to prove that claim or it only exists in your head?
| @JoeChip I know like 20 people irl that have watched AOT. Evey single one of them was anime only and all of them either loved or liked the ending. In every major anime site the 2 special ending episodes are really highly rated and simply the way that every person online talks about it is in a positive way. Reactors, people uploading videos in YouTube, the general reaction of the community in social media, etc. It is actually unbelievable, you would think they were 2 different things by the way people's reaction changed from the manga to the anime. But I've already talked about this in several forums and even created a forum myself about this topic. |
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