| watching Nana, literally pulled me out of my year long slump !!!! and wondered how much i missed watching the classic shoujos so i ask what are the big three of shoujos that shaped the genre and still stand timeless ?? |
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| Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon are the two really famous ones and you can still find people talking about their love for those shows. Neurotic/ultra niche youtubers in the 2010s might have said Utena was "important", but I have never seen a lot of people discussing how they watched it. |
| 1. fruits basket 2. chihayafuru tho technically it is a josei but well 3. ao haru ride and i haven't watched nana yet but i know i'll love it. honourble mentions: say i love you. its just incredibly entertaining and has shoujo written all over it. has the doki doki legs in the air eeeee energy to it lmao orange was incredibly well written. these are all new so can't say about shaping the genre or about staying timeless. |
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| Cardcaptor Sakura, Sailor Moon, Madoka Magica. |
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| Sailor Moon definitely should be there. Known worldwide even by people who aren't fans of anime - people who seen it as the typical cartoons when they are younger. I cannot think of any other shoujo with similar impact.. but if I have to add another 2 then probably Cardcaptor Sakura and Fruits Basket. |
| • Kaichou wa Maid-sama! • Kimi ni Todoke • Fruits Basket |
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| Not a demographic I checked out that much, and not one I know much about, but if I had to guess, the most important titles would be: 60s Mahoutsukai Sally Ribbon no Kishi 70s Natsu e no Tobira (manga) Terra e (manga) Onii-sama e (manga) Ace o Nerae Rose of Versalles (both) Not clue about the 80s 90s Sailor Moon Sakura Card Captor Shoujo Kakumei Utena Onii-sama e Escaflowne 00s Nana Ouran High School Host Club (surprisingly it wasn't mentioned so far) Paradise Kiss Fruits Basket 10s Chihayafuru (though it's josei) Akatsuki no Yona (manga) Fruits Basket (remake) And Idk Akagami no Shirayuki hime maybe? And I have no clue about the 20s |
CaptainKenshiroApr 10, 2:12 PM
| Purely in the context of nostalgia and/or lingering cultural impact in the 2020s, I would imagine: Sailor Moon Fruits Basket Nana (I confess I've only seen one of them) |
| Sailor Moon is the big 1 of shoujo by a huge margin, the big 3 might be Natsume Yuujinchou, Fruits Basket and Kimi ni Todoke. |
| "the BIG 3" Notto dettu shittu agen! Here some shoujo and josei I like, not sure how BIG they are or should be: Ayashi no Ceres Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Ghost Hunt Kaichou wa Maid-sama! Lovely★Complex Natsume Yuujinchou Princess Tutu Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun Hachimitsu to Clover Nodame Cantabile Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu Usagi Drop Wasurenagumo Oooku |
| I'm definitely far from a shoujo aficionado, but if I had to choose three for a shoujo Big 3, it would probably be these three: Cardcaptor Sakura Sailor Moon Fruits Basket If it was a shoujo Big 4, I might include Nana in there as well. |
| Seconding Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura. Fruits Basket and Nana (that's technically 4...) are must watches for shoujo fans too imho. Madoka isn't shoujo btw @ whoever said that. |
| The moonlight is the messenger of love ♥ |
| I don't know about a third one, but Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura were for girls basically what Dragon Ball and Saint Seiya were for boys of its era. |
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| I'd say Fruits Basket, Sailor Moon, CardCaptor Sakura |
| I could not name 3 shoujo I liked to begin with. |
| Call me biased but I don't see how Ouran High School Host Club is any less popular or influential than Fruits Basket. (though I suppose I should actually get around to Fruits Basket in the first place lol) (also though I suppose Fruits Basket has a second anime and Ouran doesn't) (also also though just let me cope) |
TheMAMApr 10, 5:50 AM
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| Shoujo is as diverse as any other demographic, so let's narrow it down to the best "like Nana" romances. 1. Fruits Basket 2. Kimi ni Todoke 3. Nodame Cantabile 4. Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou 5. Honey and Clover If you are ready for the full width: Rose of Versailles (the rock it all builds on), Oniisama E... (dark shoujo), Sailor Moon (mega-mainstream), Cardcaptor Sakura (pure magical girl without deconstruction and parody), Revolutionary Girl Utena (the most intelligent anime ever made), Usagi Drop (wholesome af), Princess Tutu (2nd most intelligent anime ever made), Full Moon wo Sagashite (tragic-comedy which looks like a kids show, but isn't), Natsume Yuujinchou (Mushishi's lighter sibling). |
inimApr 10, 6:14 AM
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| This is a hard, but fun questions. I feel objectively speaking you probably have to have Sailor Moon and Fruits Basket on the list. The hard part comes down to picking the third. There are a number where I could honestly be talked into: Hana Yori Dango, Card Captor Sakura, Nana, Ouran HS Host Club or Revolutionary Girl Utena. Any of these 5 could round out the big 3. Maybe Kimi ni Todoke, but that one would probably more likely be one of the first honorable mentions. Me personally I'd want to include His and Her Circumstances, but if I'm being honest with myself it wouldn't rate above the ones I just mentioned. |
| Okay, for a shortlist, considering a combination of quality, popularity and influence, let's say: Mahoutsukai Sally Attack No.1 Ace wo Nerae Candy Candy Rose of Versailles Minky Momo Sailor Moon Kodoma no Ochoma Fushigi Yuugi Revolutionary Girl Utena Cardcaptor Sakura Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou Fruits Basket Princess Tutu A shame that every single thing I wanted to list there is from more than 20 years ago. If I had to pick the best three of those, it would be Utena, Kodocha and Princess Tutu. Though all three of them are perhaps too good to have influenced the medium much, because who is going to try to emulate one of those three? |
| Some users mention Utena and Princess Tutu, but these technically aren't shoujo, even though they probably have much in common. |
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Some users mention Utena and Princess Tutu, but these technically aren't shoujo, even though they probably have much in common.
| @Zarutaku Revolutionary Girl Utena is a Shoujo. Though Princess Tutu isn't. |
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Some users mention Utena and Princess Tutu, but these technically aren't shoujo, even though they probably have much in common.
| @Zarutaku If by "technically" you mean "according to a crazy definition which nobody should actually want to use in a real-life conversation". If you want to talk specifically about adaptions of shoujo manga, I suggest "shoujo adaptions" as a term, instead of trying to make everyone ask "but is it a manga adaption? I'm not talking about it unless it's a manga adaption" whenever they talk about shoujo anime. |
logopolisApr 10, 6:58 AM
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@Zarutaku If by "technically" you mean "according to a crazy definition which nobody should actually want to use in a real-life conversation".
If you want to talk specifically about adaptions of shoujo manga, I suggest "shoujo adaptions" as a term, instead of trying to make everyone ask "but is it a manga adaption? I'm not talking about it unless it's a manga adaption" whenever they talk about shoujo anime.
If you want to talk specifically about adaptions of shoujo manga, I suggest "shoujo adaptions" as a term, instead of trying to make everyone ask "but is it a manga adaption? I'm not talking about it unless it's a manga adaption" whenever they talk about shoujo anime.
| @logopolis I don't know if it's crazy, but it has the benefit of not being open to personal interpretation (other than the magazine editors) |
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@Zarutaku If by "technically" you mean "according to a crazy definition which nobody should actually want to use in a real-life conversation".
If you want to talk specifically about adaptions of shoujo manga, I suggest "shoujo adaptions" as a term, instead of trying to make everyone ask "but is it a manga adaption? I'm not talking about it unless it's a manga adaption" whenever they talk about shoujo anime.
If you want to talk specifically about adaptions of shoujo manga, I suggest "shoujo adaptions" as a term, instead of trying to make everyone ask "but is it a manga adaption? I'm not talking about it unless it's a manga adaption" whenever they talk about shoujo anime.
| @logopolis It's not really crazy, just narrow to the point it becomes useless. To qualify to MAL's definition, it has to be based on a manga. So novel based (Anne of Green Gables) or original (Kaleido Star, Princess Tutu) shows can't be "shoujo" on MAL. anidb gives fuck and correctly tags them shoujo as per "intended target audience". And so do I. |
inimApr 10, 7:02 AM
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@logopolis It's not really crazy, just narrow to the point it becomes useless. To qualify to MAL's definition, it has to be based on a manga. So novel based (Anne of Green Gables) or original (Kaleido Star, Princess Tutu) shows can't be "shoujo" on MAL. anidb gives fuck and correctly tags them shoujo as per "intended target audience". And so do I.
| @inim How does anidb determine the "intended target audience" though? |
| This is hard to answer. It's not just sales, but time frame as well. Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece not only had high sales, but they were airing in Shounen Jump at the same time. CaptainKenshiro said: Not a demography I checked out that much, and not one I know much about, but if I had to guess, the most important titles would be: This comment here has the right idea with the time frames. So I'll pivot off of this poster. 70s "Big 3" would be: - Glass Mask - Rose of Versailles - Crest of the Family 80 "Big 3" would be: - Tokimeki Tonight - Chibi Maruko-chan - Please Save My Earth 90s can be broken down into 2 categories. 90s romance "Big 3": - Boys Over Flowers - Itazura na Kiss - Fruits Basket 90s magical girl "Big 3": - Sailor Moon - Cardcaptor Sakura - Revolutionary Girl Utena 2000s "Big 3": - Nana - Kimi ni Todoke - Ouran High School Host Club On down presents a big problem. Shoujo wasn't adapted as fast or as often as Shounen. Honey Lemon Soda released in 2015, the 2010s. Yet because the anime just released, it doesn't feel like a 2010s series. It feels like a 2020s series. |
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@logopolis I don't know if it's crazy, but it has the benefit of not being open to personal interpretation (other than the magazine editors)
| @Zarutaku Revolutionary Girl Utena released in Ciao, a Shoujo magazine. Yes, the anime original aired alongside it, however it was intended as a Shoujo because they approached Chiho Saito to make the manga and that manga released in a Shoujo magazine. That wasn't an accident. |
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@Zarutaku Revolutionary Girl Utena released in Ciao, a Shoujo magazine. Yes, the anime original aired alongside it, however it was intended as a Shoujo because they approached Chiho Saito to make the manga and that manga released in a Shoujo magazine. That wasn't an accident.
| @LuxuriousHeart I wouldn't rely on this logic, because that would make Code Geass a shoujo as well. |
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@inim How does anidb determine the "intended target audience" though?
| @Zarutaku Do you ask this question about all of their tags? Like "romance" or "mahou shoujo" or "half star of nudity"? It's perfectly normal for terms which describe media to be subject to argument, trying to be "objective" is a fruitless endeavour. |
| Hana Yori Dango is the bestselling shoujo manga of all time. https://www.reddit.com/r/shoujo/comments/mn6qvb/ever_wondered_what_the_top_10_bestselling_shoujo |
| その目だれの目？ |
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Not a demographic I checked out that much, and not one I know much about, but if I had to guess, the most important titles would be:
60s
Mahoutsukai Sally
Ribbon no Kishi
70s
Natsu e no Tobira (manga)
Terra e (manga)
Onii-sama e (manga)
Ace o Nerae
Rose of Versalles (both)
Not clue about the 80s
90s
Sailor Moon
Sakura Card Captor
Shoujo Kakumei Utena
Onii-sama e
Escaflowne
00s
Nana
Ouran High School Host Club (surprisingly it wasn't mentioned so far)
Paradise Kiss
Fruits Basket
10s
Chihayafuru (though it's josei)
Akatsuki no Yona (manga)
Fruits Basket (remake)
And Idk Akagami no Shirayuki hime maybe?
And I have no clue about the 20s
60s
Mahoutsukai Sally
Ribbon no Kishi
70s
Natsu e no Tobira (manga)
Terra e (manga)
Onii-sama e (manga)
Ace o Nerae
Rose of Versalles (both)
Not clue about the 80s
90s
Sailor Moon
Sakura Card Captor
Shoujo Kakumei Utena
Onii-sama e
Escaflowne
00s
Nana
Ouran High School Host Club (surprisingly it wasn't mentioned so far)
Paradise Kiss
Fruits Basket
10s
Chihayafuru (though it's josei)
Akatsuki no Yona (manga)
Fruits Basket (remake)
And Idk Akagami no Shirayuki hime maybe?
And I have no clue about the 20s
Terra e is shounen. You know Natsu e no Tobira is a one-shot, right? Kaze to Ki no Uta is the bigger Takemiya shoujo. Candy Candy is another big 70s series. CaptainKenshiro said: Not clue about the 80s Patalliro Tokimeki Tonight Sukeban Deka (live action) |
LucifrostApr 10, 7:49 PM
| その目だれの目？ |
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@Zarutaku Do you ask this question about all of their tags? Like "romance" or "mahou shoujo" or "half star of nudity"? It's perfectly normal for terms which describe media to be subject to argument, trying to be "objective" is a fruitless endeavour.
| @logopolis Depends on the tag, if it's possible to determine it unambiguously, then it seems reasonable to do so. |
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@logopolis Depends on the tag, if it's possible to determine it unambiguously, then it seems reasonable to do so.
| @Zarutaku It isn't possible to determine objectively the tag which will almost invariably be clicked on by people who aren't asking for anything which isn't a manga adaption to be filtered out. |
that is such a child like reply....... |
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| Cardcaptor Sakura, Sailor Moon and Revolutionary Girl Utena imo. |
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@Zarutaku It isn't possible to determine objectively the tag which will almost invariably be clicked on by people who aren't asking for anything which isn't a manga adaption to be filtered out.
| @logopolis It's true that it's less effective for users to find what they're looking for, but the intended target audience of a work is something the creator(s) had in mind, and it seems reasonable that their intent shouldn't be presumed by others. |
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@LuxuriousHeart I wouldn't rely on this logic, because that would make Code Geass a shoujo as well.
| @Zarutaku the manga is a Shoujo. However, there's different manga adaptations. With Revolutionary Girl Utena, the only manga is a Shoujo. The sequel is a Josei, but the sequel is separate from the anime. |
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Not a demographic I checked out that much, and not one I know much about, but if I had to guess, the most important titles would be:
60s
Mahoutsukai Sally
Ribbon no Kishi
70s
Natsu e no Tobira (manga)
Terra e (manga)
Onii-sama e (manga)
Ace o Nerae
Rose of Versalles (both)
Not clue about the 80s
90s
Sailor Moon
Sakura Card Captor
Shoujo Kakumei Utena
Onii-sama e
Escaflowne
00s
Nana
Ouran High School Host Club (surprisingly it wasn't mentioned so far)
Paradise Kiss
Fruits Basket
10s
Chihayafuru (though it's josei)
Akatsuki no Yona (manga)
Fruits Basket (remake)
And Idk Akagami no Shirayuki hime maybe?
And I have no clue about the 20s
60s
Mahoutsukai Sally
Ribbon no Kishi
70s
Natsu e no Tobira (manga)
Terra e (manga)
Onii-sama e (manga)
Ace o Nerae
Rose of Versalles (both)
Not clue about the 80s
90s
Sailor Moon
Sakura Card Captor
Shoujo Kakumei Utena
Onii-sama e
Escaflowne
00s
Nana
Ouran High School Host Club (surprisingly it wasn't mentioned so far)
Paradise Kiss
Fruits Basket
10s
Chihayafuru (though it's josei)
Akatsuki no Yona (manga)
Fruits Basket (remake)
And Idk Akagami no Shirayuki hime maybe?
And I have no clue about the 20s
| @CaptainKenshiro Terra e... and Escaflowne are shounen, not shoujo. And it should be demographic, not demography. |
| Sailor Moon, Cardcaptors and Madoka Magica |
| Madoka Magica is an original anime, so it does not have a demographic. If anything it's closer to seinen than shoujo. |
| Trying to filter (by members) through 1995-2010 to make it comparable to the classic Big 3. I kinda expected Nana and Fruits Basket, then Cardcaptor Sakura... surprisingly not. Seems Ouran Koukou is the shoujo One Piece here lol...  |
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