Do the WANT to kill Gundam? :/

the thing Is that this is what I mean that it's a way of ending the arc that has an appeal that isn't for everyone, if you see Suletta doing this as the writers saying this Is the Morally correct thing to do then it is of course very problematic, but G-witch is wrote in a way where it's inspired by the Tempest, where evil characters don't have a propper punishment, if you take this into consideration then g-witch to me becomes a More interesting and relatable work than most because every arc is full of a selfish idea of parental love that can be harmful in the long Run but at the same time it's just incredibly human to me

i don't remember any "arrange marriages are good" dialogue in S2, but that's pretty much the angle I mention that is problematic depending on what way you want to see the show. it's just something I think has it's own value once you understand this isn't supposed to be seen as the show telling you "this Is good" but a story where people just follow their humanity

I GENUINELY DON'T REMEMBER THIS SCENE AND I REWATCHED THE SHOW LAST MONTH-. Though I don't think this specifically hurts the themes of the show, what does is the poor planning of the plot in relation to the episode count imo

@Jeevasnt

It's really hard for me to discuss this, because I found Miorine really insufferable.

Only outshined by Suletta, who I made a thread about here on MAL just to shout in the void how bad she was :/

I'm just disappointed that this new anime VISUALLY looks like another "children good, adults bad" story. I hope I'm wrong. Not a fan of the new character designs anyway.


Fake-edit: Oh, as for older Gundam: I'm still in the midst of the FIRST Gundam-anime and I really disagree about adults being portrayed as stupid there. You have teenager Amuro who is a prodigy (and has the background to explain this), but most the adults he fights with or against are portrayed as quite capable, too. Even enemies that he defeats and kills would often be presented as soldiers of honor, sometimes even Char grieving for a moment when he loses his men. Adults are being potrayed as capable, feeling beings here that are not lesser to the younger characters. And that's what makes it so engaging to watch.

Heck, I loved watching "Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu", a scifi-story dominated by adults of varying ages, and it makes for such a great story. This doesn't mean child characters always make a story inherently worse. "Bokurano" or "Noein" show what you can do with an all-children cast. It doesn't need to be "dumb" and adults don't need to be dumb/evil either.

Having concerns purely based on visuals we barely have any context for and then making the thread based on those concerns “Do they WANT to kill Gundam?” feels just a tad melodramatic ngl



This confuses me in terms of your comparison to G-Witch. It feels like you’re centering a lot of your point here on the idea that adults aren’t portrayed as particularly capable in G-Witch, even though the single most competent and empowered character in the show is Lady Prospera, who runs circles around the younger cast for most of the series’s run, and most of the other most prominent adult characters aren’t really shown as “lesser” either. Whether it be in terms of competence (where most of the big slip-ups in their respective plans comes from getting undercut by the schemes of other adults using children as proxies) or in terms of empathy ()

Like, I guess one could argue that the younger characters in G-Witch get a larger portion of the story’s focus & narrative priorities than in 0079, but that honestly is mostly owed to the fact that they occupy a larger part of the named cast in general.

i don't think that adults in the first Gundam are specially portrayed as idiots, I think it's something that keeps evolving to the point that (minor spoilers of CCA) the earth federation sells a giant asteroid to a person that Is throwing asteroids to earth because said person promised that if they sold the asteroid to him he would stop for example.Though, different type of adults are still being portrayed, althought I will Also say that I don't think that g-witch portrays adults as specially stupid, but it portrays them as people who often lack propper morals.

THOUGH THAT SAID it's fine if you dislike suletta and miorine, I'm just saying that I don't think g-witch Is as anti adult as most of Gundam is

@Infamous_Empire Prospera is that one shadowy, mysterious adult character, her existing has no bearing on how most adults in this anime are being portrayed as. Plus, she's the main characters mother, so she doesn't count double.

All the other adults are being portrayed as tripping over each other, while the winners are child-characters. Heck, what's that boy's name who got his own harem? He's playing top-level politics despite being, what, 17 or so? There are so many instances of this and it was hard to bear.

No matter how many times you dismiss it, but other Gundam-anime have more varied, better portrayals of adults ("better" not in the sense of "morally good").

This isn’t the adult characters being inferior to the youth, it’s the two of them being shown as being on the same level. The likes of the Peil CEOs and Delling aren’t framed as being less capable or intelligent than Shaddiq, to use your example, & most of the youth cast are pawns in the adults’ games anyway, and I honestly don’t see what’s so Suspension of Disbelief-breaking about that dynamic when that’s basically the level most anime (or, honestly, works of fiction), especially ones aimed at teenagers, operate under in general? It feels like a completely arbitrary angle of critique, is what I’m saying.

It also feels more than a little telling how all of the examples you’ve provided have focused more on the younger characters being supposedly too competent, rather than the supposed diminishment of the older cast, which is the actual point of your argument.

I don't understand why people on talking about the new show have some sort of hate-boner for G-Witch. It was well-received and reached new audiences, which is important for a franchise as old as Gundam.

Besides, Gundam shows are always doing new things. Being butthurt that they aren't re-skinning the Original series plot points for the seventh time is weird.

@Timeline_man you do realize UC has a massive amount of manga and light novel content that has never been adapted, or even released in the west? Instead of releasing spin-offs and stories that don’t contribute to the UC chronology, most long time fans want adaptations of things like Char’s Deleted Affair, Moon Gundam, Beltorchikas children, Crossbone, and a continuation of Hathaway.

Sunrise trying to appeal to new audiences is fine, but abandoning the core audience and making them wait years for continuations and adaptations is not. If they cannot do both, then they should obviously choose to adapt the existing UC content.

You have barely watched any Gundam series, and now you are preaching about what is going to kill or support Gundam? Really dude? If anything thanks to Witch From Mercury and Hathaway's Flash, Gundam has been doing better than ever before.

Witch From Mercury was huge in Japan (the main market, especially for this genre as the West won't care either way), and again this is being made by Anno, him doing mecha anime featuring cute girls isn't an unheard of thing for him, as seen in Gunbuster.

This is literally a staple of Gundam shows. There aren't many where they aren't kids. Thunderbolt, MS Team, G-Fighter, Hathaway's Flash, CCA (which also features annoying teens regardless) are some of the only ones. Uso in Victory Gumdam was like 13. Witch From Mercury if anything featured one of the more older Gundam MCs.

Adults sucking and causing problems is literally another major theme of Gundam lol. The whole idea of having Gundam battle competitions isn't a new thing either, and has been featured in mainline Gundam entries like G-Fighter, which is more over the top than whatever this will do.

Because that is what made it popular lol.

Then go watch Armored Trooper Votoms or Blue Gender. Gundam the series where child soldiers often commit military insubordination is not that realistic. It never has been.

Like I prefer when mecha shows, go harder on the military side of things (partially why Votoms is one of my favorite mecha anime); however, you are trying to make Gundam something it never was. It was always full of teen angst, adults suck, and the MCs doing things they would never get away with in a real mitliary. Japan largely doesn't care about mecha that much these days, and even less so mecha that is "gritty". You would be better off getting into something like Battletech or 40k books that feature the Titan legions.

Like if you are going to complain about Gundam not having enough grounded "realism" and you can't deal with camp (which I bet this series won't have much of) just wait until you get to ZZ, a mainline entry in the franchise.


Yeah Gundam isn't Legend of the Galactic Heroes. The Origin is literally the only time you could kinda compare them. Largely they are very different kinds of shows.



Are you just trolling dude....WTF are you talking about lol? We don't need your weird rape doujin premise.

That reply shows how unable you are to comprehend an argument.

That's the most Gundam thing ever though.
Y'know the franchise created by Yoshiyuki "adults suck and are the source of all problems" Tomino.

then you haven't watched seed stargazer!

then you haven't watched seed stargazer!

actually stargazer has a different Tone to seed because it's done by a different director and writer, so uf you disliked seed there's the chance you like it!

I'm on the side that LIKED seed so stargazer not having any of SEED's common appeal Made it not work as much as it could for me, though they're onas I have in my mind from Time to time since the main theme Is interesting lmao

it was planned with the intent of being a Gundam for newcommers so yeahhhhh Bandai was just trying to test if it would work out or not, it ended up being succesful so I hope Gquuuuuux actually gets a nice amount of episodes

@MyllerPhiem I'm with you on this. I'd like to see a Gundam anime with the same type of atmosphere that Zeta gundam brought to the table.. it's been way too long since we had something like that.

gundam witch was good, I have no idea what you’re talking about

@SleepingNinja15 me patiently waiting for Hathaway's Flash pt.2

@Bravely2nd

MAL in general is where media literacy goes to die. It is very, very weird to look at a lot of the reviews on this site which appear to have been written by people who have no apparent interest in interrogating why the creators of an anime made the decisions about a work they did, what message they were trying to send, what the cultural context it was made in was, how it might be in conversation with other works in the same franchise or genre etc etc etc

Like, regardless of whatever structural problems Witch from Mercury might have had, and I certainly think it was too short and didn't give enough space for the characters to simply exist a bit more, it's clearly intended to be a Gundam series that reflects the experience of war in our times. In all probability, if you've seen Witch from Mercury you have never been in a warzone, and on the off chance that you have the warzone was probably not your home. War for us is largely something that is done elsewhere, to and by other people. However it is propagated and profited from by political and industrial interests in our own countries. This system must be broken but those in power do not want it to be broken and will try to ensure that the will to maintain it is passed on to their children. Regardless of how successful you think Witch from Mercury was at exploring those ideas, it is clearly of a piece with what Gundam has always been from the start, which is children experiencing war, and not idealised miniature adults but actual children who are stupid and vulnerable and not really equipped to deal with the scale and brutal nature of conflict. (Or at least an attempt to write them that way.)

With all that in mind, I don't see anything in the trailer for GQuuuuuuX that looks like it violates the idea of what Gundam is in any way. It might be a more radical reinterpretation than some other instalments but it's a franchise that already contains multitudes, and the right series can make the whole thing click for someone. I tried to get into Gundam a couple of times and didn't gel with it, and then I saw Witch from Mercury and decided to hard commit to watching all of it because I want more of that. I've only seen Witch from Mercury, the original series, Zeta, and a few episodes of ZZ so far (Not counting previous failed attempts to watch a couple of other things)/ I thought MSG was alright, Zeta was a miserable chore, and I'm quite enjoying ZZ so far, but even with Zeta I didn't think "well this isn't what Gundam should be like".

And here I thought this wasn't popular enough to attract any grifters. But what do you know it's the same guy that was making 8 threads a day about WfM. And what do you know Roberts here to fan the flames of the culture war narrative yet again, acting as a "neutral" third party, to get guys like the ones above me to think that whining about a series having a female protagonist is somehow a sane thing to complain about. It gives me immense pleasure to know that the people whose free time is entirely consumed by calling people tourists, haven't even the barest understanding of the messages of the original. But I don't even have to look at the profiles of half the people on this thread to see, that these people supposedly gatekeeping a 40 year old franchise like their masculinity depends on the sales of the plastic kits; haven't even watched the original series, at best they've probably seen the movie trilogy version, say its bad and then claim that Unicorns the best thing ever made. But no, go blame imaginary queer teenagers, women with dyed hair (who you might also imagine as being oveweight) while you go make your sad sigma male Char videos for fifteen views.

Its so over for media literacy that it's not even funny. What do any of you people think the dark parts of any Gundam series are there for, Tomino's writing in particular has always been soap opera drama, why does this character die? because we needed to keep the show from getting axed, nobody cares for love and understanding, so you need to put your moral teachings at the end so that the warmachine toys sell better. "Boo Hoo, all I care about are dark stories about sweaty men getting it on with each other in a non gay way". "The only way I can ever find women tolerable nevertheless attractive is when they're in a relationship with a character or even feign interest in a character I have an unhealthily sexual attachment to". Has it ever come across any of these culture warriors heads, that the series has had a target audience of teenagers to young adults for the past forty years. Before acting all high and mighty about those you deem sociallly lesser than yourself being in the limeligh, how about you look in the mirror and stop playing with childrens toys. I myself have undying love for this franchise, it holds a place near and dear to me, but it sure is hard to talk about it with anyone because online discourse has become infatuated with a bunch of manchildren. Any person nowadays think that just because they can get their two cents in their worth a damn. Half of these people are willingly disingenuous and the other half are just too uneducated to understand, that the other guys are just trying to sell them stupid ex Star Wars theory channel youtuber merch.

Yeah the series is about war but more importantly might you have even a modicum of an idea what war itself is about? Human conflict, now who is to say that this human conflict can't be explored in say a high school setting, which as other people have pointed out was done in Witch from Mercury. Petty aesthetics will always triumph over meaning. Hell most of the people complaining about WfM were so enamored with Guel that they made accounts to inflate the number of favorites the character had, and in spite of having a problem with the setting, would have been perfectly happy had he been the protagonist, and if he had ended up with the protagonist.

Everyone on this websites forums is either lethargic, or trying to sell snake oil, its hard to count who on this website is worth talking to, but what do you know, most of those people get constantly harassed for having "wrong opinions". I just hope, so sincerely hope that those two main characters are gay, so that you people can go have an existential crisis, or at the very least have something new to hate other than yourselves. Cause I can't even begin to imagine how miserable I'd have to be to go argue that people can't ship two female or male characters (or even like media featuring two character of the same sex in a relationship) because class S is some sort of peak of Japanese culture every four months and men loving in each other in a romantic way is threatening to me. Yay Platonic love, there's never enough of that in media unless we
re speaking of a relationship between a man and a woman, "because I can only have deep meaningful relationships with other men, and it's threatening when people imply I might be gay, and I don't actually form meaningful relationships with women, but who am I actually kidding, I've never had a relationship with a woman so all I do is post on Myanimelist forums everyday, looking for things to whine about". you know what I just dislike Platon as a philosophist on so many levels. I'm glad Diogenes burned him so hard with the featherless bipedal thing.

I'm not going to go into painstaking examples of hypocritical statements made, which can easily be countered by examples referencing past shows. Because I'm sure that no one mad about any of this actually cares about what happened in Turn A Gundam or any show made in between Gundam 79 and Seed. It's so utterly baffling to see the poster above say that you needn't worry about forced high school drama when this is like the holy trio of adolescence angst from the 90's, with Tsurumaki, Enokido and Anno on board. You know what I'll just say it out loud NewestPersonHere I just don't like you. You'll probably come around to seeing this even if I don't quote you. Nothing personal.

There was no controversy regarding WfM, outside of your echo chamber original poster and main agitator, Bobert, and no matter how neutral you'd like to seem, people would have to be stupid not to notice that you have a personal vendetta regarding the series, you probably have me blocked but, I'm sure one of those flies that gather around you will probably buzz in your ear, seeing as how you were so committed to calling me some kind of Gatekeeper while Gundam Witch from Mercury was airing. You know there's really no reason for me to entertain those addicted to attention but this isn't even about op.

Edit; I guess It's always been about moral superiority to you though Robert, I'm sure that's why you're making that arranged marriage argument, whose twitter post did you get that one from.

@Kumiveneella

God, I'm so tired of you culturual war activists. Can we really not ONCE have fun anymore? Must everything be about "presentation"?

Eff off with you "grifter"-talk, what meaningless, dumb word this is.

Talk about anime or don't, but spare us your political manifesto. People like you keep ruining the entertainment industry, applying censorship everywhere, and the result is shit like Naughty Dog's "Intergalactic" with its ugly, skinhead female lead. Fuck DEI. Fuck censorship. And fuck this whole discourse.

I've always been watching anime to have fun. That's all.

@Kumiveneella

God, I'm so tired of you culturual war activists. Can we really not ONCE have fun anymore? Must everything be about "presentation"?

Eff off with you "grifter"-talk, what meaningless, dumb word this is.

Talk about anime or don't, but spare us your political manifesto. People like you keep ruining the entertainment industry, applying censorship everywhere, and the result is shit like Naughty Dog's "Intergalactic" with its ugly, skinhead female lead. Fuck DEI. Fuck censorship. And fuck this whole discourse.

I've always been watching anime to have fun. That's all.

lol...illegal underground gundam duelling battle

basically BOYKA with yuri bait under the name of gundam

the character design looks like it's coming from a half ass cartoon network studio