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| Very nice this episode! |
| An episode feels like a Movie. Megumi Ishitani cooked again |
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| WHAT A MASTERPIECE!!!! Seeing the events unravel from the perspective of other characters and especially civilians and marines is so freaking cool. The comedy, emotions, directing and cinema in this special episode were unreal, truly a beautiful work of art. |
| damn that was average and with trash animation, this is what i get from looking at the stupid score and connecting that to One Piece, if this had been made in the series would have been called just a filler episode that most would skip. |
| Lmao look at all those 1/10 given by losers who can't accept reality. Thankfully the general score won't be affected by them, so they're just gonna keep on losing. |
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@Xypheron OP fan without telling you I'm an OP fan? What does that even suppose to mean? I watch One Piece anime but I'm not a fan.
| @Azuchi Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh. I wouldn't worry about those comments if I were you. Just smile and walk away. I also thought the episode was a little bit too cartoonish, even going by regular OP standards. Not that it looked bad. It looked alright. It's just, it was far from some OP episodes that looked better and had better direction (and I'm not talking about the most hyped and polished ones, like the one with Luffy and Gear 5). Although, it's all a matter of taste, really. Overdynamic animation mixed with still frames is risky in general. It may not look as good as it was supposed to in the end, simply because the intention is one thing, and the execution is another. And in my opinion, this might be the biggest con of this special episode (apologies for not showing examples; Crunchyroll doesn't allow to take screenshots, but even if it did, I guess my laziness would've caused me to not bother to pick and share them, lol). Other people can find it alright or great, which is fine. But as for me, I'm not a fan of such technique as seen in the Love Letter But that's me. I'm glad that many people enjoyed that episode a lot. It's still a cool piece of anime. |
AdnashOct 21, 3:35 PM
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@Azuchi Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh.
I wouldn't worry about those comments if I were you. Just smile and walk away. I also thought the episode was a little bit too cartoonish, even going by regular OP standards. Not that it looked bad. It looked alright. It's just, it was far from some OP episodes that looked better and had better direction (and I'm not talking about the most hyped and polished ones, like the one with Luffy and Gear 5). Although, it's all a matter of taste, really.
Overdynamic animation mixed with still frames is risky in general. It may not look as good as it was supposed to in the end, simply because the intention is one thing, and the execution is another. And in my opinion, this might be the biggest con of this special episode (apologies for not showing examples; Crunchyroll doesn't allow to take screenshots, but even if it did, I guess my laziness would've caused me to not bother to pick and share them, lol). Other people can find it alright or great, which is fine. But as for me, I'm not a fan of such technique as seen in the Love Letter
But that's me. I'm glad that many people enjoyed that episode a lot. It's still a cool piece of anime.
I wouldn't worry about those comments if I were you. Just smile and walk away. I also thought the episode was a little bit too cartoonish, even going by regular OP standards. Not that it looked bad. It looked alright. It's just, it was far from some OP episodes that looked better and had better direction (and I'm not talking about the most hyped and polished ones, like the one with Luffy and Gear 5). Although, it's all a matter of taste, really.
Overdynamic animation mixed with still frames is risky in general. It may not look as good as it was supposed to in the end, simply because the intention is one thing, and the execution is another. And in my opinion, this might be the biggest con of this special episode (apologies for not showing examples; Crunchyroll doesn't allow to take screenshots, but even if it did, I guess my laziness would've caused me to not bother to pick and share them, lol). Other people can find it alright or great, which is fine. But as for me, I'm not a fan of such technique as seen in the Love Letter
But that's me. I'm glad that many people enjoyed that episode a lot. It's still a cool piece of anime.
Adnash said: I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode. This is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh. Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too? On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it. There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why? Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter. Adnash said: No need to be angry about my post or attack other animanga franchises because of it. |
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Adnash said:
Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh.
I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode. This is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh.
Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too?
On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it. There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why? Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter.
Adnash said:
No need to be angry about my post or attack other animanga franchises because of it.
No need to be angry about my post or attack other animanga franchises because of it.
| @ToG25thBaam there's no use talking sensibly to him because he'll just move the goalpost again. sugar-coat his words, then play the victim card. it's pretty easy to see he just googles and listens to outdated echo chambers, and repeats what they say on here. |
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Adnash said:
Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh.
I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode. This is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.Apparently, anyone who doesn't consider this special episode 10/10 isn't familiar with One Piece and only watched it out of anger due to its high score, lmao. At least according to some comments in this thread, filled with toxicity and stereotypical Gen Z attitude. Makes you wonder whether One Piece fandom is really as chilled and friendly as many of its members claim themselves to be, huh.
Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too?
On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it. There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why? Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter.
Adnash said:
No need to be angry about my post or attack other animanga franchises because of it.
No need to be angry about my post or attack other animanga franchises because of it.
| @ToG25thBaam ToG25thBaam said: Excuse me, but how blind someone needs to be to not get that a girl who is Nami's fangirl would look like Nami clone on purpose, just in child form, and have similar traits to her? Memes aside, this episode had a lot of that kind of stuff. She wasn't even the only character like that.I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode. We had a guy in the pub vouching for Zoro who had a super short haircut, just like his favorite master swordsman. On top of that, we could see him wearing a lot of green, as if, oh my oh my, it was intentional, to make a reference to Zoro's hair color. ;P Speaking about clothes, it might be a stretch and me overthinking it, but Benevolent King of the Waves, who is a Chopper fan, and a very devoted one, wears pink ones and somewhat looks like one of the transformations coming from eating Human-Human Fruit. I mean here, of course, Monster Point form. Well if it's not Chopper who used it, lol. The lady who appeared to be a huge Brook fan resembled Brook himself (black hair, curly haircut, dark skin). Heck, she was even relatively tall and skinny, just like Brook, if we can compare such design choices. But no, some folks couldn't handle me being witty about a meme I heard myself from One Piece fans and which I saw being used mostly by One Piece fans. Even an echo chamber like Reddit is rather chilled when discussing the "Nami clones" meme/phenomenon/whatever. At least it used to be back when my friend linked me a chart of Nami clones, with its main post being upvoted a lot, with nice and cultural discussion taking place below it. But nope, they must not be fans, eh? Pretty silly, isn't it? I don't have anything towards One Piece fandom in general, but some of people gatekeeping and crying over any non-glazing post or action reminded me of the part of One Piece fandom that was rather laughed at by fellow fans, rather than receiving positive reactions. Ironically, this special episode had several moments which reminded me of wholesome interactions between OP fans. Those people in the pub, talking about the Straw Hats, laughing and fooling around. Why don't go this way, when an already popular series has an episode that gets so much attention on MAL (due to its high mean score), instead of showing various people how One Piece fans are loud crybabies, and making others think that the most of its huge fanbase acts this way? If others are okay with that, then indeed, One Piece ain't that chilled as many of its members want it to be, apparently. While I get that we are texting with each other here and our intentions might be lost, from various reasons, it is not a reason to act like a kidult angry about a random user on the Internet disagreeing with them. ;D ToG25thBaam said: Yes, although I find it enjoyable to watch, when it's playing in the background to make me entertained while doing something else in the meantime, even though I find most of the arcs boring, even if entertaining at times (I don't plan to watch the remake, but hopefully they will be also covered by it; maybe I will give it a try by then, lol). My favorite ones are East Blue, Alabasta, and Wano. One Piece is not my favorite anime, not even close , so I don't like it that much, not as much as some other series. Same with having an urge to discuss it more than necessary. I don't discuss episodes or lore on the Internet, apart from my friends mentioning them in real life when we meet with each other. But it's fun to watch regardless. Do you really think that's enough to say I'm equal to folks who watch One Piece with passion and regularly, who read the manga, analyze its rich worldbuilding's nuances and details? Or that it is not enough to say that I have knowledge about this series enough to comment a special episode we're all talking about? ;pThis is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea. And no, it's not further backed by anything other than me addressing the fact I'm not a huge and dedicated One Piece fan, and you and @ryzxgum being too oversensitive when facing posts that are not regular "peak masterpiece best episode". No offense. ToG25thBaam said: Of course not. There are wholesome fans and toxic fans in every fandom. But when someone acts like an obnoxious jerk on the public forum, then why someone should stay silent about it, I wonder? @Azuchi met supposedly a salty One Piece fan using a stereotypical way of acting in a weird, clownish way, I commented on that situation. Don't turn 180 degrees this situation, because there was a context of it, not me randomly entering the thread to thrash One Piece enjoyers. I would have to thrash myself too, and I'm not into that kind of activities, lmao.Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too? ToG25thBaam said: Anyone with minimal knowledge about the manga industry, or even professional art, is aware of such things. It's normal. Design similarities, distinctive style... Claiming that noticing it it is anything close to a complex element that regular people can't notice is ridiculous. As if someone was happy from noticing that green grass is green. Lacking basic knowledge about the medium you're consuming is alright, but it shouldn't be anyone else's problem when participating in a discussion about technical nuances. Unless we want to bark at ourselves and use our delusions as weapons. Then, my friend, I'm out. I don't like that kind of "discussions" reeking of media illiteracy and arguing for the sake of arguing. :|On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it. ToG25thBaam said: You can see people fooling around about "Dragon Ball face template" or "typical Bleach face", by the way. Sousou no Frieren is one of the latest examples of said witty attitude ("their faces all look the same"). I heard about "Nami clones" meme first from One Piece fans and I rarely saw them making a big deal outta it. That's why I was surprised to see that kind of reaction in this thread. I guess "the One Piece is real" stuff is also awful, and One Piece fans who started the trend are fake fans dissing their presumably favorite series, eh? Or maybe the team working on One Pace also consists of fans "dissing One Piece", simply because they edit the animated adaptation to make it closer to the manga, mostly in terms of pacing? After all, many of us, me included, started their adventure with One Piece long ago by watching those sometimes dragged on episodes. It of course sounds dumb, but think about it: if most of people wanted to be oversensitive to what every random writes on the Internet, we would have a massive shitstorm over every little detail.There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why? ToG25thBaam said: So you're saying that crude and hostile behavior, mixed with a meme frequently used by One Piece fanatics to thrash other series, is better than me making a little joke in a polite way, referring to a meme that's popular both among OP fans and haters? Interesting. I should've read this part first before writing anything above, but whatever. I see your attitude is similar to the person whose behavior you've just commended, even if you are more polite in conveying your thoughts.Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter. That's it from me. I guess we won't convince each other in any way, so no need to further clog this thread with making a fuss over a totally insignificant thing. "We are not on Reddit", as some people would've said, lol. Have a nice day, both you and @ryzxgum. ;) We might have disagreed, but for sure One Piece is more or less special for us. Even if perhaps in different ways, hehe. |
AdnashOct 21, 11:13 PM
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Only haters would rate this 3 stars to 1 star. This is a masterpiece. Felt like a 23 min movie. Loved it. Megumi Ishitani needs to direct the next OP movie.
Kevin75004 said: Yeah, it felt more like a minimovie than a mere special episode, all thanks to its content. I wish it was longer, though. Perhaps I would've enjoyed it more.Felt like a 23 min movie. Loved it. Megumi Ishitani needs to direct the next OP movie. I also agree that Megumi Ishitani should be hired to work on a movie. One Piece movie or not, I would like to see a feature-length anime project with rather high budget directed by her. I saw some imperfections in the Fan Letter, but you could see and feel talent, skill, and dedication put into making it. All while watching the episode itself. edit: meh, the last sentence looked weird, so I improved it. ;p |
AdnashOct 22, 12:31 AM
| One Piece fans crying about scorebombing while pretending like they wouldn't do the same thing if the roles were reversed and aren't scorebombing everything in the top 10 is the funniest shit. They're already bigger animals on IMDb than FMAB fans on MAL ever were. Everyone knows damn well this doesn't belong anywhere near the top 10 or even top 100. "The One Pissant cries out in pain as it strikes you." |
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@ToG25thBaam
We had a guy in the pub vouching for Zoro who had a super short haircut, just like his favorite master swordsman. On top of that, we could see him wearing a lot of green, as if, oh my oh my, it was intentional, to make a reference to Zoro's hair color. ;P
Speaking about clothes, it might be a stretch and me overthinking it, but Benevolent King of the Waves, who is a Chopper fan, and a very devoted one, wears pink ones and somewhat looks like one of the transformations coming from eating Human-Human Fruit. I mean here, of course, Monster Point form. Well if it's not Chopper who used it, lol.
The lady who appeared to be a huge Brook fan resembled Brook himself (black hair, curly haircut, dark skin). Heck, she was even relatively tall and skinny, just like Brook, if we can compare such design choices.
But no, some folks couldn't handle me being witty about a meme I heard myself from One Piece fans and which I saw being used mostly by One Piece fans. Even an echo chamber like Reddit is rather chilled when discussing the "Nami clones" meme/phenomenon/whatever. At least it used to be back when my friend linked me a chart of Nami clones, with its main post being upvoted a lot, with nice and cultural discussion taking place below it. But nope, they must not be fans, eh? Pretty silly, isn't it?
I don't have anything towards One Piece fandom in general, but some of people gatekeeping and crying over any non-glazing post or action reminded me of the part of One Piece fandom that was rather laughed at by fellow fans, rather than receiving positive reactions. Ironically, this special episode had several moments which reminded me of wholesome interactions between OP fans. Those people in the pub, talking about the Straw Hats, laughing and fooling around. Why don't go this way, when an already popular series has an episode that gets so much attention on MAL (due to its high mean score), instead of showing various people how One Piece fans are loud crybabies, and making others think that the most of its huge fanbase acts this way? If others are okay with that, then indeed, One Piece ain't that chilled as many of its members want it to be, apparently.
While I get that we are texting with each other here and our intentions might be lost, from various reasons, it is not a reason to act like a kidult angry about a random user on the Internet disagreeing with them. ;D
And no, it's not further backed by anything other than me addressing the fact I'm not a huge and dedicated One Piece fan, and you and @ryzxgum being too oversensitive when facing posts that are not regular "peak masterpiece best episode". No offense.
That's it from me. I guess we won't convince each other in any way, so no need to further clog this thread with making a fuss over a totally insignificant thing. "We are not on Reddit", as some people would've said, lol.
Have a nice day, both you and @ryzxgum. ;) We might have disagreed, but for sure One Piece is more or less special for us. Even if perhaps in different ways, hehe.
ToG25thBaam said:
I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode.
Excuse me, but how blind someone needs to be to not get that a girl who is Nami's fangirl would look like Nami clone on purpose, just in child form, and have similar traits to her? Memes aside, this episode had a lot of that kind of stuff. She wasn't even the only character like that.I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode.
We had a guy in the pub vouching for Zoro who had a super short haircut, just like his favorite master swordsman. On top of that, we could see him wearing a lot of green, as if, oh my oh my, it was intentional, to make a reference to Zoro's hair color. ;P
Speaking about clothes, it might be a stretch and me overthinking it, but Benevolent King of the Waves, who is a Chopper fan, and a very devoted one, wears pink ones and somewhat looks like one of the transformations coming from eating Human-Human Fruit. I mean here, of course, Monster Point form. Well if it's not Chopper who used it, lol.
The lady who appeared to be a huge Brook fan resembled Brook himself (black hair, curly haircut, dark skin). Heck, she was even relatively tall and skinny, just like Brook, if we can compare such design choices.
But no, some folks couldn't handle me being witty about a meme I heard myself from One Piece fans and which I saw being used mostly by One Piece fans. Even an echo chamber like Reddit is rather chilled when discussing the "Nami clones" meme/phenomenon/whatever. At least it used to be back when my friend linked me a chart of Nami clones, with its main post being upvoted a lot, with nice and cultural discussion taking place below it. But nope, they must not be fans, eh? Pretty silly, isn't it?
I don't have anything towards One Piece fandom in general, but some of people gatekeeping and crying over any non-glazing post or action reminded me of the part of One Piece fandom that was rather laughed at by fellow fans, rather than receiving positive reactions. Ironically, this special episode had several moments which reminded me of wholesome interactions between OP fans. Those people in the pub, talking about the Straw Hats, laughing and fooling around. Why don't go this way, when an already popular series has an episode that gets so much attention on MAL (due to its high mean score), instead of showing various people how One Piece fans are loud crybabies, and making others think that the most of its huge fanbase acts this way? If others are okay with that, then indeed, One Piece ain't that chilled as many of its members want it to be, apparently.
While I get that we are texting with each other here and our intentions might be lost, from various reasons, it is not a reason to act like a kidult angry about a random user on the Internet disagreeing with them. ;D
ToG25thBaam said:
This is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.
Yes, although I find it enjoyable to watch, when it's playing in the background to make me entertained while doing something else in the meantime, even though I find most of the arcs boring, even if entertaining at times (I don't plan to watch the remake, but hopefully they will be also covered by it; maybe I will give it a try by then, lol). My favorite ones are East Blue, Alabasta, and Wano. One Piece is not my favorite anime, not even close , so I don't like it that much, not as much as some other series. Same with having an urge to discuss it more than necessary. I don't discuss episodes or lore on the Internet, apart from my friends mentioning them in real life when we meet with each other. But it's fun to watch regardless. Do you really think that's enough to say I'm equal to folks who watch One Piece with passion and regularly, who read the manga, analyze its rich worldbuilding's nuances and details? Or that it is not enough to say that I have knowledge about this series enough to comment a special episode we're all talking about? ;pThis is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.
And no, it's not further backed by anything other than me addressing the fact I'm not a huge and dedicated One Piece fan, and you and @ryzxgum being too oversensitive when facing posts that are not regular "peak masterpiece best episode". No offense.
ToG25thBaam said:
Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too?
Of course not. There are wholesome fans and toxic fans in every fandom. But when someone acts like an obnoxious jerk on the public forum, then why someone should stay silent about it, I wonder? @Azuchi met supposedly a salty One Piece fan using a stereotypical way of acting in a weird, clownish way, I commented on that situation. Don't turn 180 degrees this situation, because there was a context of it, not me randomly entering the thread to thrash One Piece enjoyers. I would have to thrash myself too, and I'm not into that kind of activities, lmao.Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too?
ToG25thBaam said:
On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it.
Anyone with minimal knowledge about the manga industry, or even professional art, is aware of such things. It's normal. Design similarities, distinctive style... Claiming that noticing it it is anything close to a complex element that regular people can't notice is ridiculous. As if someone was happy from noticing that green grass is green. Lacking basic knowledge about the medium you're consuming is alright, but it shouldn't be anyone else's problem when participating in a discussion about technical nuances. Unless we want to bark at ourselves and use our delusions as weapons. Then, my friend, I'm out. I don't like that kind of "discussions" reeking of media illiteracy and arguing for the sake of arguing. :|On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it.
ToG25thBaam said:
There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why?
You can see people fooling around about "Dragon Ball face template" or "typical Bleach face", by the way. Sousou no Frieren is one of the latest examples of said witty attitude ("their faces all look the same"). I heard about "Nami clones" meme first from One Piece fans and I rarely saw them making a big deal outta it. That's why I was surprised to see that kind of reaction in this thread. I guess "the One Piece is real" stuff is also awful, and One Piece fans who started the trend are fake fans dissing their presumably favorite series, eh? Or maybe the team working on One Pace also consists of fans "dissing One Piece", simply because they edit the animated adaptation to make it closer to the manga, mostly in terms of pacing? After all, many of us, me included, started their adventure with One Piece long ago by watching those sometimes dragged on episodes. It of course sounds dumb, but think about it: if most of people wanted to be oversensitive to what every random writes on the Internet, we would have a massive shitstorm over every little detail.There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why?
ToG25thBaam said:
Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter.
So you're saying that crude and hostile behavior, mixed with a meme frequently used by One Piece fanatics to thrash other series, is better than me making a little joke in a polite way, referring to a meme that's popular both among OP fans and haters? Interesting. I should've read this part first before writing anything above, but whatever. I see your attitude is similar to the person whose behavior you've just commended, even if you are more polite in conveying your thoughts.Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter.
That's it from me. I guess we won't convince each other in any way, so no need to further clog this thread with making a fuss over a totally insignificant thing. "We are not on Reddit", as some people would've said, lol.
Have a nice day, both you and @ryzxgum. ;) We might have disagreed, but for sure One Piece is more or less special for us. Even if perhaps in different ways, hehe.
| @Adnash there's a difference between being witty and a sugarcoated insult, yours was the latter. a lot of this text-wall is mostly worth ignoring so i'll just go at a few bits i'm curious about. Adnash said: no, because brainrot humor like that is actually funny and not an outdated insult.I guess "the One Piece is real" stuff is also awful, and One Piece fans who started the trend are fake fans dissing their presumably favorite series, eh? Adnash said: first of all, don't recommend that anyway because it cuts out the g-8 arc. secondly, even though i'm not a fan of one pace, i can acknowledge them trying to make it a quicker and easier-to-consume adaptation. in short; it is respectable but you calling the one piece female cast ''clones'' isn't nearly on the same level.One Pace also consists of fans "dissing One Piece", simply because they edit the animated adaptation to make it closer to the manga, mostly in terms of pacing? Adnash said: when did you watch wano arc? simple question.My favorite ones are East Blue, Alabasta, and Wano Adnash said: ''polite way'' xDis better than me making a little joke in a polite way Adnash said: how is it special to you?for sure One Piece is special for us |
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We had a guy in the pub vouching for Zoro who had a super short haircut, just like his favorite master swordsman. On top of that, we could see him wearing a lot of green, as if, oh my oh my, it was intentional, to make a reference to Zoro's hair color. ;P
Speaking about clothes, it might be a stretch and me overthinking it, but Benevolent King of the Waves, who is a Chopper fan, and a very devoted one, wears pink ones and somewhat looks like one of the transformations coming from eating Human-Human Fruit. I mean here, of course, Monster Point form. Well if it's not Chopper who used it, lol.
The lady who appeared to be a huge Brook fan resembled Brook himself (black hair, curly haircut, dark skin). Heck, she was even relatively tall and skinny, just like Brook, if we can compare such design choices.
But no, some folks couldn't handle me being witty about a meme I heard myself from One Piece fans and which I saw being used mostly by One Piece fans. Even an echo chamber like Reddit is rather chilled when discussing the "Nami clones" meme/phenomenon/whatever. At least it used to be back when my friend linked me a chart of Nami clones, with its main post being upvoted a lot, with nice and cultural discussion taking place below it. But nope, they must not be fans, eh? Pretty silly, isn't it?
I don't have anything towards One Piece fandom in general, but some of people gatekeeping and crying over any non-glazing post or action reminded me of the part of One Piece fandom that was rather laughed at by fellow fans, rather than receiving positive reactions. Ironically, this special episode had several moments which reminded me of wholesome interactions between OP fans. Those people in the pub, talking about the Straw Hats, laughing and fooling around. Why don't go this way, when an already popular series has an episode that gets so much attention on MAL (due to its high mean score), instead of showing various people how One Piece fans are loud crybabies, and making others think that the most of its huge fanbase acts this way? If others are okay with that, then indeed, One Piece ain't that chilled as many of its members want it to be, apparently.
While I get that we are texting with each other here and our intentions might be lost, from various reasons, it is not a reason to act like a kidult angry about a random user on the Internet disagreeing with them. ;D
And no, it's not further backed by anything other than me addressing the fact I'm not a huge and dedicated One Piece fan, and you and @ryzxgum being too oversensitive when facing posts that are not regular "peak masterpiece best episode". No offense.
That's it from me. I guess we won't convince each other in any way, so no need to further clog this thread with making a fuss over a totally insignificant thing. "We are not on Reddit", as some people would've said, lol.
Have a nice day, both you and @ryzxgum. ;) We might have disagreed, but for sure One Piece is more or less special for us. Even if perhaps in different ways, hehe.
ToG25thBaam said:
I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode.
Excuse me, but how blind someone needs to be to not get that a girl who is Nami's fangirl would look like Nami clone on purpose, just in child form, and have similar traits to her? Memes aside, this episode had a lot of that kind of stuff. She wasn't even the only character like that.I am going to be honest man, I've read basically every comments here and you seem to have something against One Piece fans. I initially wanted to respond to you making the claim that every females in One Piece are Nami clone, but I realized that if you couldn't tell that the main character in this special episode took a lot of inspiration from Nami and was actively trying to be like her, even dressed up and have hair color like her, you probably didn't pay that much attention to the special episode.
We had a guy in the pub vouching for Zoro who had a super short haircut, just like his favorite master swordsman. On top of that, we could see him wearing a lot of green, as if, oh my oh my, it was intentional, to make a reference to Zoro's hair color. ;P
Speaking about clothes, it might be a stretch and me overthinking it, but Benevolent King of the Waves, who is a Chopper fan, and a very devoted one, wears pink ones and somewhat looks like one of the transformations coming from eating Human-Human Fruit. I mean here, of course, Monster Point form. Well if it's not Chopper who used it, lol.
The lady who appeared to be a huge Brook fan resembled Brook himself (black hair, curly haircut, dark skin). Heck, she was even relatively tall and skinny, just like Brook, if we can compare such design choices.
But no, some folks couldn't handle me being witty about a meme I heard myself from One Piece fans and which I saw being used mostly by One Piece fans. Even an echo chamber like Reddit is rather chilled when discussing the "Nami clones" meme/phenomenon/whatever. At least it used to be back when my friend linked me a chart of Nami clones, with its main post being upvoted a lot, with nice and cultural discussion taking place below it. But nope, they must not be fans, eh? Pretty silly, isn't it?
I don't have anything towards One Piece fandom in general, but some of people gatekeeping and crying over any non-glazing post or action reminded me of the part of One Piece fandom that was rather laughed at by fellow fans, rather than receiving positive reactions. Ironically, this special episode had several moments which reminded me of wholesome interactions between OP fans. Those people in the pub, talking about the Straw Hats, laughing and fooling around. Why don't go this way, when an already popular series has an episode that gets so much attention on MAL (due to its high mean score), instead of showing various people how One Piece fans are loud crybabies, and making others think that the most of its huge fanbase acts this way? If others are okay with that, then indeed, One Piece ain't that chilled as many of its members want it to be, apparently.
While I get that we are texting with each other here and our intentions might be lost, from various reasons, it is not a reason to act like a kidult angry about a random user on the Internet disagreeing with them. ;D
ToG25thBaam said:
This is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.
Yes, although I find it enjoyable to watch, when it's playing in the background to make me entertained while doing something else in the meantime, even though I find most of the arcs boring, even if entertaining at times (I don't plan to watch the remake, but hopefully they will be also covered by it; maybe I will give it a try by then, lol). My favorite ones are East Blue, Alabasta, and Wano. One Piece is not my favorite anime, not even close , so I don't like it that much, not as much as some other series. Same with having an urge to discuss it more than necessary. I don't discuss episodes or lore on the Internet, apart from my friends mentioning them in real life when we meet with each other. But it's fun to watch regardless. Do you really think that's enough to say I'm equal to folks who watch One Piece with passion and regularly, who read the manga, analyze its rich worldbuilding's nuances and details? Or that it is not enough to say that I have knowledge about this series enough to comment a special episode we're all talking about? ;pThis is further backed by what you said about One Piece isn't your cup of tea.
And no, it's not further backed by anything other than me addressing the fact I'm not a huge and dedicated One Piece fan, and you and @ryzxgum being too oversensitive when facing posts that are not regular "peak masterpiece best episode". No offense.
ToG25thBaam said:
Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too?
Of course not. There are wholesome fans and toxic fans in every fandom. But when someone acts like an obnoxious jerk on the public forum, then why someone should stay silent about it, I wonder? @Azuchi met supposedly a salty One Piece fan using a stereotypical way of acting in a weird, clownish way, I commented on that situation. Don't turn 180 degrees this situation, because there was a context of it, not me randomly entering the thread to thrash One Piece enjoyers. I would have to thrash myself too, and I'm not into that kind of activities, lmao.Not to say that there aren't some One Piece fanaticism going around, but that is every fanbase, no? Do you go around calling them out too?
ToG25thBaam said:
On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it.
Anyone with minimal knowledge about the manga industry, or even professional art, is aware of such things. It's normal. Design similarities, distinctive style... Claiming that noticing it it is anything close to a complex element that regular people can't notice is ridiculous. As if someone was happy from noticing that green grass is green. Lacking basic knowledge about the medium you're consuming is alright, but it shouldn't be anyone else's problem when participating in a discussion about technical nuances. Unless we want to bark at ourselves and use our delusions as weapons. Then, my friend, I'm out. I don't like that kind of "discussions" reeking of media illiteracy and arguing for the sake of arguing. :|On the topic of character design, I agree with @ryzxgum response, it's just artstyle and most artists have an artstyle that they are very comfortable with. When I first started watching anime, Gintama and Bleach have a same face syndrome, yet a lot of people don't seem to take issue with that as much as the "Nami clones" of One Piece, which is just weird. This "Nami clone" argument is also frequently used by One Piece fans as a way to appear objective while criticizing the series, even though it is a non issue. This notion has gotten so popularly accepted nowadays that even yourself who do not associate with the One Piece fandom know about it.
ToG25thBaam said:
There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why?
You can see people fooling around about "Dragon Ball face template" or "typical Bleach face", by the way. Sousou no Frieren is one of the latest examples of said witty attitude ("their faces all look the same"). I heard about "Nami clones" meme first from One Piece fans and I rarely saw them making a big deal outta it. That's why I was surprised to see that kind of reaction in this thread. I guess "the One Piece is real" stuff is also awful, and One Piece fans who started the trend are fake fans dissing their presumably favorite series, eh? Or maybe the team working on One Pace also consists of fans "dissing One Piece", simply because they edit the animated adaptation to make it closer to the manga, mostly in terms of pacing? After all, many of us, me included, started their adventure with One Piece long ago by watching those sometimes dragged on episodes. It of course sounds dumb, but think about it: if most of people wanted to be oversensitive to what every random writes on the Internet, we would have a massive shitstorm over every little detail.There are some truth to it, but One Piece is a series where it has over a thousand characters, overlapping design is not that big of a problem, yet it is still a popular go-to for people to sneak diss One Piece, but the same people do not do it for any other series, why?
ToG25thBaam said:
Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter.
So you're saying that crude and hostile behavior, mixed with a meme frequently used by One Piece fanatics to thrash other series, is better than me making a little joke in a polite way, referring to a meme that's popular both among OP fans and haters? Interesting. I should've read this part first before writing anything above, but whatever. I see your attitude is similar to the person whose behavior you've just commended, even if you are more polite in conveying your thoughts.Ryzxgum also did not attack other series, he was pointing out a fact of the matter.
That's it from me. I guess we won't convince each other in any way, so no need to further clog this thread with making a fuss over a totally insignificant thing. "We are not on Reddit", as some people would've said, lol.
Have a nice day, both you and @ryzxgum. ;) We might have disagreed, but for sure One Piece is more or less special for us. Even if perhaps in different ways, hehe.
Adnash said: I am not so sure about the comment being witty, you did praise the episode while simultaneously said you didn't enjoy it, mainly because you don't like One Piece. I took it as just you being nitpicky towards a series that you didn't like.But no, some folks couldn't handle me being witty about a meme I heard myself from One Piece fans and which I saw being used mostly by One Piece fans. I was referring the One Piece subreddit when I said the fans try to appear to be objective by bringing up the "Nami clone" argument, there are certain things that become widely accepted as the truth when enough people perpetuate it, and One Piece female characters all being "Nami clone" is one of those that get treated like the truth, and you could imagine how annoying it is to read about it all the time for One Piece. Adnash said: No offense taken, but I don't believe I am being oversensitive. I am not the one who is offended that people didn't like this One Piece episode, it is very much within their right and they all have different taste. Some One Piece fans might feel some type of way, but I am cool with people having different opinion.And no, it's not further backed by anything other than me addressing the fact I'm not a huge and dedicated One Piece fan, and you and @ryzxgum being too oversensitive when facing posts that are not regular "peak masterpiece best episode". No offense. Adnash said: The context is Azuchi calling this cartoony (which I do not disagree with), and someone else responded by saying something along the line of "Did you not watch One Piece? It's always been cartoony", which is a take that make sense. I don't see a problem with it. He may have been too defensive about it, but the message of his response make sense, is he not?@Azuchi met supposedly a salty One Piece fan using a stereotypical way of acting in a weird, clownish way, I commented on that situation. Don't turn 180 degrees this situation, because there was a context of it, not me randomly entering the thread to thrash One Piece enjoyers. Adnash said: When or where did I ever claim that people couldn't notice the similarity in other series? I said people do not make it as big of a deal as people in the One Piece community do. Do you see Dragon Ball fans complain about the same face syndrome? Do you see Gintama fans complain about the same face syndrome? What about the Bleach fans? This is hardly anything to do with technical nuances lmao.Claiming that noticing it it is anything close to a complex element that regular people can't notice is ridiculous. Adnash said: I saw the Dragon Ball one on the Dragon Ball subreddit a while ago, nobody was saying it like it's a bad thing though. "Typical Bleach face" I don't see that as often. I did a quick search and this is the first one that pops up, just take a look at the comments, and the post was downvoted. Now do this with One Piece, most of the top results are posts about debunking the claim, this is the one where it's actually trying to make the claim. Even on the posts that are trying to debunk this narrative, you could still see comments that nitpick 3 to 4 characters that look alike and make a generalization about the entire cast, and those comments are getting upvoted.You can see people fooling around about "Dragon Ball face template" or "typical Bleach face" Adnash said: Not sure how are those the same. One Pace is actively trying to "fix" the problems that the One Piece anime has, what do people that talk about Nami clones do other than.. complaining about it? One is a passion project that people spend hundreds and thousands of hours to fix, the other is just whining about the 2 or 3 characters that look similar.Or maybe the team working on One Pace also consists of fans "dissing One Piece", simply because they edit the animated adaptation to make it closer to the manga, mostly in terms of pacing? Adnash said: It ain't about being oversensitive when people keep talking about something that does not have a strong leg to stand on. Out of the hundreds of characters, 3 characters look similar to each other, do you really think that justify calling most female characters a Nami clone?if most of people wanted to be oversensitive to what every random writes on the Internet, we would have a massive shitstorm over every little detail. This isn't just a problem with One Piece, but when I said there are things that become widely accepted as truth if enough people believe it, it happens far too often, in anime, in manga, in sports, in history, etc. and even as a joke, if enough people believe it, it might just become their reality. Adnash said: I still do not see how the meme "thrash other series". It only thrashes other series if it thrashes One Piece, because all the meme showed was similarity in character design across multiple works, INCLUDING ONE PIECE, mind you. It is interesting how that meme that showed same face syndrome in other series is considered "thrashing other series", but if it comes to jokes about "Nami clone", it's a silly little jokes with no intention of thrashing One Piece.So you're saying that crude and hostile behavior, mixed with a meme frequently used by One Piece fanatics to thrash other series, is better than me making a little joke in a polite way, referring to a meme that's popular both among OP fans and haters? Interesting. I should've read this part first before writing anything above, but whatever. I see your attitude is similar to the person whose behavior you've just commended, even if you are more polite in conveying your thoughts. Adnash said: I did not commend ryzxgum's behavior lol, all I said was he did not trash other series and I agree with the core points that he made. I said nothing about his tone.I see your attitude is similar to the person whose behavior you've just commended Sure, I believe we've both laid our beds and made our case. There's nothing more to go on, and I believe I've clarified my position on this matter. If you have anything that you want to expand on, like how that said meme "thrashes other series", I am all ears, because I still do not understand that point as you keep saying it is used to thrash on other series but never clarified how, when all it did was pointing out the similarity to One Piece character design. ryzxgum said: I don't know about sugarcoating, but he did threw some shots for no reason.there's no use talking sensibly to him because he'll just move the goalpost again. sugar-coat his words, then play the victim card. it's pretty easy to see he just googles and listens to outdated echo chambers, and repeats what they say on here. |
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WHAT A MASTERPIECE!!!!
Seeing the events unravel from the perspective of other characters and especially civilians and marines is so freaking cool.
The comedy, emotions, directing and cinema in this special episode were unreal, truly a beautiful work of art.
Seeing the events unravel from the perspective of other characters and especially civilians and marines is so freaking cool.
The comedy, emotions, directing and cinema in this special episode were unreal, truly a beautiful work of art.
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