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Aug 24, 9:30 AM
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Hmmmm so Atri's memories are still in pieces, and she hasn't gotten all of them back. Even so, it's clear that Atri was the woman in Natsuki's memories.

Found it really funny how Natsuki tried so hard to deny Atri as his first love lols. The two got closer, but some shady people showed up... because ofc they did.


Aug 24, 9:58 AM
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I did not expect a kiss this episode! That was a fantastic ending!

The only problem is I know tragedy is about to hit us like a freaking truck.
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Aug 24, 10:02 AM
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This one is really starting to heat up. Been pretty good over the last few episodes and this one paid off big! Really enjoyed this one.
Aug 24, 10:04 AM
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Bro was in denial the entire episode about it not being atri he met as a kid, atri not having emotions blah blah. That last scene shut all that shit up lmao. Your first love was a loli, it’s ok man accept it 😂 that kiss was so cute and it was as much a confirmation of Atri’s feelings and true love for Natsuki as it was of Natsuki’s character growth. He’s come along way since the moody guy we saw in episode 1 who wanted to sell her.

Now things get interesting. They’ve kissed, been on a cute date together.. where do Natsuki and Atri go from here? Seems like trouble is unfortunately brewing in paradise with those dudes watching over Natsuki and Atri today. Of course they wait until we get some romantic progress to pull this bs lol.
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Aug 24, 10:23 AM
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Brilliant episode was not expecting to see Atri and Natsuki kiss at the end.
Aug 24, 10:38 AM
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Those sounds Atri made after tripping had me dying, and whether she has a heart aside, I hope she wasn't programmed with pain receptors for her sake. That ankle twist was brutal, even for a robot.

As sweet as that final scene was, it'd be funny if Atri learned to associate kissing with being underwater
Aug 24, 11:13 AM
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Certain Japanese story telling continues to frustrate me, on one hand this episode was full of sweetness and in some ways felt very satisfying...but on the other hand - how am I supposed to not feel in anyway conflicted about this romance when up until now MC has acted like a guardian figure to ATRI and then we get frames like this:



This is how an adult interacts with a child. I am sure this won't be a popular opinion but when has anyone every seen a real life couple who have romantic connections act in this way? Then to make matters worse ATRI stands talking about all of it to a bunch of 10 year olds and doesn't look out of place in that group - all while the guardian/ authority figures look on.



I just don't know how to feel about this show, there is so much I love about it and with a few details tweaked I could have seen it being my favourite of the season....but at the same time I think ATRI looking so much like a child is utterly dumb, in terms of maturity she should be closer to Minamo and there would be no issue.

I also think all the side characters spending so much time talking about the MCs romantics interests is lazy story telling, those characters should be getting their own development, but instead they just exist now to talk about MC and ATRI's possible romance, can we have some agency for these characters?

Rant over lol

Aug 24, 11:19 AM
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This feels.....weird.
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Aug 24, 11:24 AM
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Stuff out of a VN, of course it's going to be a little... Weird, I guess. Kissing underwater??
Aug 24, 11:29 AM
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Good episode, this anime for me is being one of the best of the season
Aug 24, 11:45 AM
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YordaTrico said:
Certain Japanese story telling continues to frustrate me, on one hand this episode was full of sweetness and in some ways felt very satisfying...but on the other hand - how am I supposed to not feel in anyway conflicted about this romance when up until now MC has acted like a guardian figure to ATRI and then we get frames like this:



This is how an adult interacts with a child. I am sure this won't be a popular opinion but when has anyone every seen a real life couple who have romantic connections act in this way? Then to make matters worse ATRI stands talking about all of it to a bunch of 10 year olds and doesn't look out of place in that group - all while the guardian/ authority figures look on.



I just don't know how to feel about this show, there is so much I love about it and with a few details tweaked I could have seen it being my favourite of the season....but at the same time I think ATRI looking so much like a child is utterly dumb, in terms of maturity she should be closer to Minamo and there would be no issue.

I also think all the side characters spending so much time talking about the MCs romantics interests is lazy story telling, those characters should be getting their own development, but instead they just exist now to talk about MC and ATRI's possible romance, can we have some agency for these characters?

Rant over lol


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YordaTrico said:
I just don't know how to feel about this show, there is so much I love about it and with a few details tweaked I could have seen it being my favourite of the season....but at the same time I think ATRI looking so much like a child is utterly dumb, in terms of maturity she should be closer to Minamo and there would be no issue.


Her look is a design choice anyway. She looks like a 13 - 14 years-old. Natsuki is 17 and looks 17 - 18. Just if I had to guess the characters' ages without knowing them in advance, at least in line with the way people of these ages are often depicted in anime. But in reality, I don't see how her exact look is even relevant or consequential. She's a robot. She doesn't have a biological age and doesn't physically and mentally age biologically like humans anyway. She has a manufacture date. Ergo, she could be made to look like a newborn or a 100 year-old and she would still be the same person/entity undergoing and experiencing all the same things in terms of development. Because her physical attributes are clearly in no way indicative of her internal experience in a way that they sometimes can partially be so for humans. This barely even qualifies as age gap romance (gets points from me for a nice interspecies pairing though).

And as for the teaching her things in an almost parental or guardian-esque manner, look, even humans' lives and relationships aren't all identical and resembling one another. There are intellectually challenged and emotionally and developmentally regressed or stunted people, people who were sheltered their whole lives, those with other disabilities, war refugees and other survivors with trauma, etc. People who never attended a school or don't know how to dress and talk and act in public so as to not draw attention to themselves. Or, alternatively, a robot with theoretically high computing capacity and cognitive ability hardwired into them but who didn't grow up in an average human social context or society, and weren't seen or treated by humans as a person and part of society necessarily, but more as a tool/product. Of course their relationship won't resemble the norm. Why should it? But I don't think that means they should be deprived of love and affection - familial, romantic, or otherwise, if they so desire it and can come to understand and appreciate it.

Nor that either party involved has any negative or nefarious intentions simply for doing what comes naturally and trying to establish a relationship with the other person in terms comprehensible to them. Honestly, what it may "look" like to some is a superficial consideration. We can see from the way the story plays out and how everything is written that the two are only slowly coming to understand both themselves and each other, and possibly in the long-term developing genuine care for the other, and that is what actually matters.
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I honestly didn't expect a kiss right at that moment, but hey that's the story. The director probably isn't just as good as setting the mood. That moment could have been better.
Aug 24, 12:59 PM

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At least they are having a good time...for now. Shady dude and co likely pull their move soon.
Aug 24, 1:12 PM
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Okay, that definitely literally came out of nowhere, lol. It happened so quickly that I don’t really know how to feel about it yet, but good for him that she seems to have a heart. For viewers, I think it’s more than obvious that it’s the case though…

Looks like the bad guys about to make their move, god damn. I know this show about to wreck my tear glands, ffs. For the time being, the show‘a comedic moments are up there. Him trying to deny the possibility was hilarious and it was nice to see Sensei’s support on the matter too.

Given how the date transpired, I suppose it’s a massive success? Well, unless, there’s more to the date from here on where some lads looking for mayhem come around, I’m guessing.
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Aug 24, 1:13 PM

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Omg these two are so god dam adorable together. I need to buy the visual novel and play this. The development between them so far has been great.
Aug 24, 1:18 PM

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Oh I like how Atri turned on those sultry woman eyes at the end

Didn't like the creepy spies at the market
Aug 24, 2:04 PM

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From denial to kiss in one episode, that sure progressed fast. Sweet stuff with the two this episode and while this kind of feels sudden but also makes sense with just 6 episodes left as there are prolly other things to focus on.
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YordaTrico said:
Certain Japanese story telling continues to frustrate me, on one hand this episode was full of sweetness and in some ways felt very satisfying...but on the other hand - how am I supposed to not feel in anyway conflicted about this romance when up until now MC has acted like a guardian figure to ATRI and then we get frames like this:



This is how an adult interacts with a child. I am sure this won't be a popular opinion but when has anyone every seen a real life couple who have romantic connections act in this way? Then to make matters worse ATRI stands talking about all of it to a bunch of 10 year olds and doesn't look out of place in that group - all while the guardian/ authority figures look on.



I just don't know how to feel about this show, there is so much I love about it and with a few details tweaked I could have seen it being my favourite of the season....but at the same time I think ATRI looking so much like a child is utterly dumb, in terms of maturity she should be closer to Minamo and there would be no issue.

I also think all the side characters spending so much time talking about the MCs romantics interests is lazy story telling, those characters should be getting their own development, but instead they just exist now to talk about MC and ATRI's possible romance, can we have some agency for these characters?

Rant over lol


This. I couldn’t have said it better myself
Aug 24, 3:58 PM

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What could I say...

Aug 24, 4:06 PM
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This episode was absolutely amazing. Oh How I just know that whatever will happen over the next couple episodes with those bad guys showing up might break my heart. I can't help but feel sad lol we've had so many good hearted episodes so far that it'll really hurt if it takes a turn for the worst. I could honestly watch 1000 episodes of ATRI if it was just them having fun
Aug 24, 5:58 PM

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The mystery was explained in full length here. A date, eh... These scenes in visual novels always give me that chilling feeling.

They aren't alone there, however.

Good episode as always.

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PEAAAAAK FICTION LETS GET READY FOR THE NEXT EPISODES BRUH IM FEELIN THE FEEL TRIP ONCE AGAIN. PLASTIC MEMORIES V2 ):
Aug 24, 7:30 PM

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I can't deny that I like the characters in this show, but the writing is slow, sloppy, and the plot has no anchor to keep it grounded. It seems to be wallowing in it's own drama. Atri was cute again, but if that's the only thing here, then what the hell am I watching? We get little bits here and there but after over 2 hours of story, longer than a full length movie, we have little to no answers about anything. I'm not trying to disparage interpersonal development but it cannot carry a show or a story. I also feel like there's some creepy stuff going on here, and it's hard to watch.
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wasn't expecting this ending
Aug 24, 9:25 PM

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Pretty nice and somewhat chill date and the heels that Natsuki originally picked out were nice unlike the stripper style ones that Atri twisted her ankle on lol.

I too was surprised by the ending as I thought with Atri tripping that it would end like that but instead it still ended with a kiss. Unfortunately there's a couple of bad guys tailing them and therefore I think something sad/tragic will happen soon.
Aug 24, 10:13 PM
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MEU DEUS, a ultima cena veio no silencio total, não esperava tal coisa acontecer por aqui
Mas toda essa historia da robô ter um coração parece meio estranho pra mim, considerando o avanço tecnológico da ciência, é difícil uma maquina carregar um sistema nervoso humano com sentimentos
Meu hype so aumentou agora
Aug 24, 11:01 PM
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Man, the plot’s all over the place. There’s 0 progression on Atri’s memory or her purpose, which I thought was going to be the overarching story. But then that’s forgotten, and we just moved to the school trying to get electricity, which they succeeded. Now we’ve pivoted into a love story all of a sudden?

And yeah, the romance is weird. Not just because she’s a robot with AI, and not even because she looks like a 14 year old child, but because she has the emotional maturity of one too. She didn’t even know what love was at the beginning of this episode…

It’s too bad, because the animation is great. I don’t know what the VA is like, but if it somehow was the source for this mess of a story, it can’t be very good.
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Aug 24, 11:45 PM

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Natsuki was very excited to meet a beautiful and mature Onee-san, but it turned out to be ATRI in the end.

I didn't expect the kiss and now I feel conflicted. On one hand, it seemed sweet since it implies that ATRI might have emotions (and maybe that's one of the reasons her production was cancelled) and that she might actually be in love with Natsuki. On the other hand, with her appearance and behavior resembling that of a 13-year-old girl, the kiss scene feels a bit odd. However, being a humanoid, her actual age is unknown and there isn't much of an age gap between her and Natsuki (maybe I'm just justifying things that don't matter).

Either way, it was a lovely moment, but I'm worried about what those suspicious people who showed up might do.
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Man, the plot’s all over the place. There’s 0 progression on Atri’s memory or her purpose, which I thought was going to be the overarching story. But then that’s forgotten, and we just moved to the school trying to get electricity, which they succeeded. Now we’ve pivoted into a love story all of a sudden?

And yeah, the romance is weird. Not just because she’s a robot with AI, and not even because she looks like a 14 year old child, but because she has the emotional maturity of one too. She didn’t even know what love was at the beginning of this episode…

It’s too bad, because the animation is great. I don’t know what the VA is like, but if it somehow was the source for this mess of a story, it can’t be very good.
@stevejawbs

I understand your concerns and this might be a overused saying, but it gets better at the latter parts. The pacing of the story right now is fast compared to the VN which leads to many altered or cut parts which may be for the better or worse which is to be expected since the anime can only cover so much with 13 episodes.

As for the progression on Atri's memory, I can only say without spoiling too much is that for the last few episodes and the current episode, the overarching question of Atri's emotional capabilities is the setup into Atri's past and purpose. By the next episode I'm sure that we will see this get expanded upon (hopefully).

For the school getting electricity part, that chapter is supposed to illustrate the reality and struggles of the school and students in such an isolated town. Moreover, the character development is the main highlight of this part, as it further illustrates Natsuki's past and background in the Academy, Ririka's curiosity into learning despite the sorry state of the school, Ryuuji's and Natsuki's friendship development. The VN did a better job of illustrating this chapter compared to the anime.

Lastly, the romance with Atri is questionable and debatable, but that said Atri's inquisitive nature regarding those emotions and her not understanding some emotions is crucial to the overall story believe it or not.

I strongly recommend you to pick up the VN after the anime, as ATRI is a good story it's just a shame that the anime is lacking in certain parts. Anyways, happy watching!
Aug 25, 3:07 AM

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The revelation of Atri being Natsuki's love is quite hard for the latter to accept that reality, even with the headpats that prove that is is actually her.

Even Ryuuji finds the description to be quite solid, and both Minamo and Yoko find the semblance as well. It all wounds up to the capsule that Grandma Nonka encased her in, but trying to remember the past is a pain, despite her having feelings and emotions similar to that of humans. Getting Atri to confirm that she is a Humanoid with emotions is a whole task in and of itself, she just looked the same as she always does. Catherine helping Natsuki to bridge the gap for Atri to understand romance the way humans do, and the latter is quite enthusiastic about it.

Atri bringing Natsuki out on a simplistic date, and as sweet as it looks, Atri has her nuances, like preparing homemade lunch of Hamburg steak sandwich with too much mustard, at least she has the heart to prepare them, and Atri even feels that she has a heart of her own as well, even if by chance that she really has or not.

The significance of the kiss (that is a parallel to Episode 1), and the shady guys looking onward, will Atri be able to be preserved?
Aug 25, 5:04 AM

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Things escalated a bit fast. Natsuki tried to suppress his feeling. But after hearing Atri (maybe) having a heart & emotions he thought fuck it, this Loli piece of crap ain't a bad option. Atri was so cute to make a list for their date and it was very enjoyable for Natsuki too.Kiss was kinda unexpected but still very cute and they have developed a underwater fetish too. Don't think they be able to have peace with those shaddy folks around, hopefully these two and their questionable love prevails.
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IT WAS ROMANTIC AS HELL I LOVED IT
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Man, the plot’s all over the place. There’s 0 progression on Atri’s memory or her purpose, which I thought was going to be the overarching story. But then that’s forgotten, and we just moved to the school trying to get electricity, which they succeeded. Now we’ve pivoted into a love story all of a sudden?

And yeah, the romance is weird. Not just because she’s a robot with AI, and not even because she looks like a 14 year old child, but because she has the emotional maturity of one too. She didn’t even know what love was at the beginning of this episode…

It’s too bad, because the animation is great. I don’t know what the VA is like, but if it somehow was the source for this mess of a story, it can’t be very good.
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I agree, this romance did not feel at all like a pay off or something properly earned by the events that proceeded it.

I think a great example of how it is done right is Plastic Memories. They really built the relationship of the MCs and take them slowly from one dynamic to the other. The two are also not framed as being far apart in maturity, sure Isla looks young and can act silly but her character is also very well developed to show some mature sides of her personality too like


In this show we have a robot looking and acting like a kid being talked down to by an older guy twice her height for 6 episodes then suddenly BOOM romance.

And the other characters now just existing to talk about this romance is terrible. The electricity plot times were so much better.
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YordaTrico said:
Certain Japanese story telling continues to frustrate me, on one hand this episode was full of sweetness and in some ways felt very satisfying...but on the other hand - how am I supposed to not feel in anyway conflicted about this romance when up until now MC has acted like a guardian figure to ATRI and then we get frames like this:



This is how an adult interacts with a child. I am sure this won't be a popular opinion but when has anyone every seen a real life couple who have romantic connections act in this way? Then to make matters worse ATRI stands talking about all of it to a bunch of 10 year olds and doesn't look out of place in that group - all while the guardian/ authority figures look on.



I just don't know how to feel about this show, there is so much I love about it and with a few details tweaked I could have seen it being my favourite of the season....but at the same time I think ATRI looking so much like a child is utterly dumb, in terms of maturity she should be closer to Minamo and there would be no issue.

I also think all the side characters spending so much time talking about the MCs romantics interests is lazy story telling, those characters should be getting their own development, but instead they just exist now to talk about MC and ATRI's possible romance, can we have some agency for these characters?

Rant over lol


Literally my whole feelings about this show. I started watching it because I thought the post-apocalyptic setting was really interesting because it felt very grounded to how the world might actually adapt to an event like this and I thought the characters were interesting. I still feel this way and the mysteries of the show have started to really come together but the romance between Atri and Natsuki just isn't satisfying because it's super uncomfortable. Making Atri less of a literal child by aging her up and having her act less like a child would make this show really easy to recommend as a low-vibe chill type of show but right now it's too weird for me to bring up enjoying without people giving me side-eye for it.
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YordaTrico said:
Certain Japanese story telling continues to frustrate me, on one hand this episode was full of sweetness and in some ways felt very satisfying...but on the other hand - how am I supposed to not feel in anyway conflicted about this romance when up until now MC has acted like a guardian figure to ATRI and then we get frames like this:



This is how an adult interacts with a child. I am sure this won't be a popular opinion but when has anyone every seen a real life couple who have romantic connections act in this way? Then to make matters worse ATRI stands talking about all of it to a bunch of 10 year olds and doesn't look out of place in that group - all while the guardian/ authority figures look on.



I just don't know how to feel about this show, there is so much I love about it and with a few details tweaked I could have seen it being my favourite of the season....but at the same time I think ATRI looking so much like a child is utterly dumb, in terms of maturity she should be closer to Minamo and there would be no issue.

I also think all the side characters spending so much time talking about the MCs romantics interests is lazy story telling, those characters should be getting their own development, but instead they just exist now to talk about MC and ATRI's possible romance, can we have some agency for these characters?

Rant over lol


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PEAK FUKIN APEX EVEN!

I'm honestly getting everything that I wanted out of a romance anime that I've been feigning for years not gonna lie. These build ups the slight tension and uncertainty this pure yet moving romantic plotline it's so great omg I'm glad I found this anime fr probably the best next to monogatari ngl.

Even the little things reminding me that this is a post apocalyptic world yet they go on a date anyone (love post apocalyptic worlds) LIKE DUDE IT COULDNT GET ANY MORE LEGENDARY.
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@stevejawbs

I agree, this romance did not feel at all like a pay off or something properly earned by the events that proceeded it.

I think a great example of how it is done right is Plastic Memories. They really built the relationship of the MCs and take them slowly from one dynamic to the other. The two are also not framed as being far apart in maturity, sure Isla looks young and can act silly but her character is also very well developed to show some mature sides of her personality too like


In this show we have a robot looking and acting like a kid being talked down to by an older guy twice her height for 6 episodes then suddenly BOOM romance.

And the other characters now just existing to talk about this romance is terrible. The electricity plot times were so much better.

IM SO LOST ITS BEEN ROMANCE WHY IS EVERYONE SO CONFUSED BY THIS AND WHY IS IT A ISSUE 😭
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@CobaltEpsilon

Making Atri less of a literal child by aging her up and having her act less like a child would make this show really easy to recommend as a low-vibe chill type of show but right now it's too weird for me to bring up enjoying without people giving me side-eye for it.


I am quite new to anime and this is now a constant frustration for me, ideally any anime I enjoy I would love to recommend to friends without any "but let me explain" caveats, but in too many cases there will be something questionable that would get me "side eye" as you well put it.

When I first watched the trailer I knew ATRI had some chance of falling into that category but after this last episode I now know that it has, in fact it is probably now in the category of anime that I just would not recommend to any friends even if I do end up finishing it with positive feelings myself. I can't sit explaining to friends for 20minutes the plot is ok and not creepy when I don't even believe that myself.

A great example of a visual novel adaptation that I could recommend to absolutely anyone is Planetarian: The Reverie of a Little Planet there are no "but let me explain" precursors needed with this anime, it is simply just a very touching story.
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Peak episode! It's so nice to see Natsuki changing so much from EP1 to this current episode and being way more casual about Atri.

We also advanced more knowing Atri met Natsuki in the past and saved him from suicide, we got to see the bad guy, and that Atri had other type of personality back then apperantly.

Just like in the VN, I love how this story slowly throws a piece of informatiom for the viewer to connect everything.
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Also. What's up with the comments moral panicking over Atri's appereance? This romance has been set up since episode 1 with that underwater kiss, and since then we've had characters teasing up this relationship. Not to mention that Natsuki is still a teenager too.

At this point of the story, it's kind your fault watching this just to get uncomfortable despite all the foreshadowing we've had (ep 1 underwater kiss, Atri teasing Natsuki and they hugging at night, Minamo not confessing for noticing how Natsuki thinks about Atri).

Didn't that gatekeep you enough? These anime tourists I swear. I guess I knew this would happen when I played this beautiful VN in 2023. Now I understand other readers not eanting their to works get an anime adaptation and getting popular.
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This just feels... weird. Did that really need to happen? What about the pink haired girl? Also, does this anime really need a villain? I mean, for me the story has a good vibe as it is.
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Wait Natsuki is 17? All this time I had the impression he was at least in his early to mid 20s just from his design and serious behavior and knowledge level. There not being many male characters made it so i couldnt guess.

That was sweet the kiss in the end but it also feels like I dont know how to feel about it since it isnt quite clear how Atri feels since she herself cant quite fully grasp emotions (but who can?) or why she does feel how she does about Natsuki since her memories are missing and likewise while Natsuki did deny Atri was who he fell for when he was younger id think it would have logically taken a bit more time for it to really sink in more. So feels slightly premature for a kiss.


YordaTrico said:
Certain Japanese story telling continues to frustrate me, on one hand this episode was full of sweetness and in some ways felt very satisfying...but on the other hand - how am I supposed to not feel in anyway conflicted about this romance when up until now MC has acted like a guardian figure to ATRI and then we get frames like this:

This is how an adult interacts with a child. I am sure this won't be a popular opinion but when has anyone every seen a real life couple who have romantic connections act in this way? Then to make matters worse ATRI stands talking about all of it to a bunch of 10 year olds and doesn't look out of place in that group - all while the guardian/ authority figures look on.

Atri has been as much if not more a guardian to Natsuki. She comforts him, she saved his life multiple times and physically fought to protect him and gave him a new outlook on life. It is a double standard bias over perceived gender and appearances.

That is how someone that is taller than another person may act when they want to be on level with another. It just happens to be kids are usually shorter so some people start associating when that isnt the basis of the behaviour. What about people getting on their knee or otherwise crouched down to propose? What about how Japanese people bow lower than another to show more respect to them as a way of suggesting they see them as higher status? You're also overlooking Japan is a different culture where they have some different body language and different ways of expressing themselves. He was just trying to get a good look at her face to watch her reactions though.

YordaTrico said:
I also think all the side characters spending so much time talking about the MCs romantics interests is lazy story telling, those characters should be getting their own development, but instead they just exist now to talk about MC and ATRI's possible romance, can we have some agency for these characters?

It is only a single cour series, there is probably lots of little stuff being cut out so cant be sure on that.

WatchTillTandava said:
And as for the teaching her things in an almost parental or guardian-esque manner, look, even humans' lives and relationships aren't all identical and resembling one another. There are intellectually challenged and emotionally and developmentally regressed or stunted people, people who were sheltered their whole lives, those with other disabilities, war refugees and other survivors with trauma, etc. People who never attended a school or don't know how to dress and talk and act in public so as to not draw attention to themselves. Or, alternatively, a robot with theoretically high computing capacity and cognitive ability hardwired into them but who didn't grow up in an average human social context or society, and weren't seen or treated by humans as a person and part of society necessarily, but more as a tool/product. Of course their relationship won't resemble the norm. Why should it? But I don't think that means they should be deprived of love and affection - familial, romantic, or otherwise, if they so desire it and can come to understand and appreciate it.

Nor that either party involved has any negative or nefarious intentions simply for doing what comes naturally and trying to establish a relationship with the other person in terms comprehensible to them. Honestly, what it may "look" like to some is a superficial consideration. We can see from the way the story plays out and how everything is written that the two are only slowly coming to understand both themselves and each other, and possibly in the long-term developing genuine care for the other, and that is what actually matters.

Social isolation does it too but yeah there is a lot of ways people will act completely different. That does seem to be the case people wanting to deny others of love for weird reasons like because of how they look or because they arent confident to a cocky degree or because they have a mental illness or disability.
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traed said:
Social isolation does it too but yeah there is a lot of ways people will act completely different. That does seem to be the case people wanting to deny others of love for weird reasons like because of how they look or because they arent confident to a cocky degree or because they have a mental illness or disability.


And neurodivergence, also sometimes coyly represented with non-human humanoid entities like androids and certain alien species in fiction (which could alternatively be classified as mental illness, but in each and every case it's straying into a heavy medical science, political and ideological, and philosophical debate), in general or in parallel to or as a cause of social separation/isolation.

Romance, sexual attraction, and sexual relations are always the big inflammatory red button issues, but even for familial and platonic relationships with family and friends this mindset is applied. It just gets tiresome hearing that because one's relationship with their close friends, parents, girlfriend, sister, neighbor, uncle, second cousin, dog, goldfish, or whatever isn't like 95% or 98%+ of other people's that it's therefore automatically inherently wrong and broken and something that needs to be corrected and fixed.

Right now there is seemingly a particular, what seems to me as just an observer, Gen Z-driven moral panic about imagining groomers and every other person around every corner being a predator if the relationship doesn't fit or conform to a standardized ideal and preconception worked out in their heads. I think this is just a rehashed more secular-liberal version of the Satanic Panic 1980s and 90s-era moral panic and groupthink. But even outside of the context of romantic relationships, I notice it can be applied to all manner of relationships and human experiences, and I'm just saying that it's ultimately a very rigid, intolerant, binary black-and-white view of the world which is being pushed. The real world is messy and uncertain and every individual and individual relationship should be evaluated with the unique particularities of their own situations in mind and on their own merits, not generalized.
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WatchTillTandava said:
And neurodivergence, also sometimes coyly represented with non-human humanoid entities like androids and certain alien species in fiction (which could alternatively be classified as mental illness, but in each and every case it's straying into a heavy medical science, political and ideological, and philosophical debate), in general or in parallel to or as a cause of social separation/isolation.

Romance, sexual attraction, and sexual relations are always the big inflammatory red button issues, but even for familial and platonic relationships with family and friends this mindset is applied. It just gets tiresome hearing that because one's relationship with their close friends, parents, girlfriend, sister, neighbor, uncle, second cousin, dog, goldfish, or whatever isn't like 95% or 98%+ of other people's that it's therefore automatically inherently wrong and broken and something that needs to be corrected and fixed.

Right now there is seemingly a particular, what seems to me as just an observer, Gen Z-driven moral panic about imagining groomers and every other person around every corner being a predator if the relationship doesn't fit or conform to a standardized ideal and preconception worked out in their heads. I think this is just a rehashed more secular-liberal version of the Satanic Panic 1980s and 90s-era moral panic and groupthink. But even outside of the context of romantic relationships, I notice it can be applied to all manner of relationships and human experiences, and I'm just saying that it's ultimately a very rigid, intolerant, binary black-and-white view of the world which is being pushed. The real world is messy and uncertain and every individual and individual relationship should be evaluated with the unique particularities of their own situations in mind and on their own merits, not generalized.

Goldfish? I dont know where that comes into play. But yeah. You could say that non human but human formed beings could represent any kind of different way of a person behaving,

Ive also noticed a huge bias in media where the viewer primarily focus on looks too though that is a bit different than where you were going.

People really should stop trying to use psychology terms they clearly dont understand and turning them into buzz words. I dont think it has a specific political lean it just appears different depending where it comes from. I dont think it is a generational thing it is mass brainwashing and societal decay from social media algorithms and design where hardly anyone actually thinks for themselves even remotely anymore just having everything spoon fed to them told what to think and how to act by the algorithms and operant conditioned with likes and reposts and forced engagement through negative emotions till billions of people all act the same setting up excuses for more government mass surveillance because that is the only way you can thought police people. We are getting at this level of crazy . We are living in a true dystopia, wont be long till our world looks like any dystopia anime but without the cool stuff.

It is like there is no effort for people to explore the world and different ideas anymore. It just happens to effect younger people more often because for many they didnt even get a chance to form their own identity to begin with with current state of things and they have been victimized by the increase of infantization breeding depression and identity problems in them so they try to justify it as a coping mechanism. It has actually gotten to a scary point of severe compliance where so many people dont even act human anymore.
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traed said:
WatchTillTandava said:
And neurodivergence, also sometimes coyly represented with non-human humanoid entities like androids and certain alien species in fiction (which could alternatively be classified as mental illness, but in each and every case it's straying into a heavy medical science, political and ideological, and philosophical debate), in general or in parallel to or as a cause of social separation/isolation.

Romance, sexual attraction, and sexual relations are always the big inflammatory red button issues, but even for familial and platonic relationships with family and friends this mindset is applied. It just gets tiresome hearing that because one's relationship with their close friends, parents, girlfriend, sister, neighbor, uncle, second cousin, dog, goldfish, or whatever isn't like 95% or 98%+ of other people's that it's therefore automatically inherently wrong and broken and something that needs to be corrected and fixed.

Right now there is seemingly a particular, what seems to me as just an observer, Gen Z-driven moral panic about imagining groomers and every other person around every corner being a predator if the relationship doesn't fit or conform to a standardized ideal and preconception worked out in their heads. I think this is just a rehashed more secular-liberal version of the Satanic Panic 1980s and 90s-era moral panic and groupthink. But even outside of the context of romantic relationships, I notice it can be applied to all manner of relationships and human experiences, and I'm just saying that it's ultimately a very rigid, intolerant, binary black-and-white view of the world which is being pushed. The real world is messy and uncertain and every individual and individual relationship should be evaluated with the unique particularities of their own situations in mind and on their own merits, not generalized.

Goldfish? I dont know where that comes into play. But yeah. You could say that non human but human formed beings could represent any kind of different way of a person behaving,

Ive also noticed a huge bias in media where the viewer primarily focus on looks too though that is a bit different than where you were going.

People really should stop trying to use psychology terms they clearly dont understand and turning them into buzz words. I dont think it has a specific political lean it just appears different depending where it comes from. I dont think it is a generational thing it is mass brainwashing and societal decay from social media algorithms and design where hardly anyone actually thinks for themselves even remotely anymore just having everything spoon fed to them told what to think and how to act by the algorithms and operant conditioned with likes and reposts and forced engagement through negative emotions till billions of people all act the same setting up excuses for more government mass surveillance because that is the only way you can thought police people. We are getting at this level of crazy . We are living in a true dystopia, wont be long till our world looks like any dystopia anime but without the cool stuff.

It is like there is no effort for people to explore the world and different ideas anymore. It just happens to effect younger people more often because for many they didnt even get a chance to form their own identity to begin with with current state of things and they have been victimized by the increase of infantization breeding depression and identity problems in them so they try to justify it as a coping mechanism. It has actually gotten to a scary point of severe compliance where so many people dont even act human anymore.

Yap Yap YAP

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EDIT: wait nvm I just read it yall good mb 😭
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Hazel_196 said:
Also. What's up with the comments moral panicking over Atri's appereance? This romance has been set up since episode 1 with that underwater kiss, and since then we've had characters teasing up this relationship. Not to mention that Natsuki is still a teenager too.

At this point of the story, it's kind your fault watching this just to get uncomfortable despite all the foreshadowing we've had (ep 1 underwater kiss, Atri teasing Natsuki and they hugging at night, Minamo not confessing for noticing how Natsuki thinks about Atri).

Didn't that gatekeep you enough? These anime tourists I swear. I guess I knew this would happen when I played this beautiful VN in 2023. Now I understand other readers not eanting their to works get an anime adaptation and getting popular.

ONG NIG LIKE TRIPPING OVER SOME SHI ON EP 7 BRO THERE IS A 3 EPISODE RULE FOR A REASON
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