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Aug 19, 2024 9:14 AM
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The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡 |
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Aug 19, 2024 9:35 AM
#2
There already are plenty of psychological anime that focus on depression or suicide. |
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Aug 19, 2024 9:55 AM
#3
There are already anime that focus a lot on that. Problem with this type of psychological themes, is that they're not as easy to market, as most people would not want to watch sth as psychologically and emotionally heavy. |
Aug 19, 2024 11:13 AM
#4
There are already a lot of anime focusing on mental health Just a few examples for this particular topic Gundam (especially char's counterattack, other are more on trauma) Evangelion Madoka magica Digimon Dead dead demon's dededede destruction (the two main characters are obviously depressed) Jujutsu kaisen kind of 3-getsu no lion And this is only on depression that I can think of from the top of my head, anime has a lot of psychological anime |
Guilmon1Aug 19, 2024 11:20 AM
Aug 19, 2024 11:15 AM
#5
Everything would be better with psychological aspects. |
Aug 19, 2024 2:52 PM
#6
Peeti said: The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡 Not sure what you mean by help, but there's already a good number of anime which have quite indepth focus on depression and other mental health struggles (even suicide, though it's depiction is rarer) even though they aren't always outright stated but are presented thru more subtle character writing, and having someone on screen you can relate to in that way can def help, at least that's my experience Anime that have great psychological depictions in these aspects imo
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Aug 19, 2024 3:40 PM
#7
Sure. But only when the writer feels like it. |
Aug 19, 2024 3:43 PM
#8
Peeti said: The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡 I am not sure if Japanese Anime is a very good medium to seriously address suicide let alone address depression in a meaningful way. I even remember back in the late 80s and very early 90s they use to have afterschool programing on western TV before cartoon programing would air that would specifically touch on sensitive issues like teen pregnancy to criminal delinquency. All of which were seen as complete jokes because the atrocious acting just made such programing more humorously cringe to watch than anything else. Where the demo it was actually trying to target never took any of these programs anywhere close to serious. They were seen as complete jokes by almost everyone I knew at least. Video media in general is never a good way to address sensitive issues when it's primary goal is to entertain the audience. Because any real serious messaging just comes across as perverse, insincere, and a completely gratuitous exercise. It's just a completely insincere way to try to meaningfully address serious issues and problems by thinking such programing can actually help fix anything. The closest Japanese Anime I have ever watched that tries to deal with real life depression and suicide is "Welcome to the N.H.K.". Sure some people who might watch something like "Welcome to the N.H.K." might randomly think twice about trying to go down such a life path, but it certainly doesn't help anyone who is already suffering from serious depression or one already on the verge of suicidal tendencies or even people who are already suffering from hikikomori disease. "Welcome to the N.H.K." is simply just not a true deterrent to curb hikikomori disease, fix severe social withdrawal, depression, or even suicide. Trying to seriously address real life problems that can't be fixed easily and actually thinking consuming media entertainment can meaningfully address them is like thinking the best way to address a serious injury or even a broken leg is to simply just walk it off. If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have. Specifically if one is already a shut-in who spends their entire life just consuming Anime every day and all day long. |
ColourWheelAug 19, 2024 4:25 PM
Aug 19, 2024 3:44 PM
#9
I don't wanna see depressing things in anime it's my happy place to run away from reality |
Aug 19, 2024 4:36 PM
#10
There is a whole genre/theme of psychological anime here. A lot of anime that aren't tagged as psychological focus on various psychological issues. |
Aug 20, 2024 5:33 AM
#11
There's even an anime entirely dedicated to explaining several existing mental illnesses: Anime de Wakaru Shinryounaika also another one if you want a bit of a twist: Kuuchuu Buranko |
Aug 20, 2024 6:59 AM
#12
Reply to ColourWheel
Peeti said:
The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡
The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡
I am not sure if Japanese Anime is a very good medium to seriously address suicide let alone address depression in a meaningful way. I even remember back in the late 80s and very early 90s they use to have afterschool programing on western TV before cartoon programing would air that would specifically touch on sensitive issues like teen pregnancy to criminal delinquency. All of which were seen as complete jokes because the atrocious acting just made such programing more humorously cringe to watch than anything else. Where the demo it was actually trying to target never took any of these programs anywhere close to serious. They were seen as complete jokes by almost everyone I knew at least. Video media in general is never a good way to address sensitive issues when it's primary goal is to entertain the audience. Because any real serious messaging just comes across as perverse, insincere, and a completely gratuitous exercise. It's just a completely insincere way to try to meaningfully address serious issues and problems by thinking such programing can actually help fix anything.
The closest Japanese Anime I have ever watched that tries to deal with real life depression and suicide is "Welcome to the N.H.K.". Sure some people who might watch something like "Welcome to the N.H.K." might randomly think twice about trying to go down such a life path, but it certainly doesn't help anyone who is already suffering from serious depression or one already on the verge of suicidal tendencies or even people who are already suffering from hikikomori disease. "Welcome to the N.H.K." is simply just not a true deterrent to curb hikikomori disease, fix severe social withdrawal, depression, or even suicide.
Trying to seriously address real life problems that can't be fixed easily and actually thinking consuming media entertainment can meaningfully address them is like thinking the best way to address a serious injury or even a broken leg is to simply just walk it off.
If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have. Specifically if one is already a shut-in who spends their entire life just consuming Anime every day and all day long.
@ColourWheel That programme you describe does sound terrible and i'm not surprised it got laughed at But, that's the thing, it's when people try too hard to touch on sensitive issues that it turns into something ridiculous, there are anime though that include these issues as a story element in ways that it developes naturally without trying to be virtuos, and those are the shows that resonate with people, of course they can't cure things like depression, but they can help people identify what and why they're feeling, they can teach people how to tell what the warning signs are if the people close to them are experiencing such things without being taken as a joke, if the people watching pay attention to these details As for this "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it", i'm sorry but i'm gonna call BS It's not anime that conrtibutes to depression, but it's things like you're surroundings, upbringing, toxic relationships, those are things that contribute to depression, taking anime away form someone who's depressed isn't going to magically get them to seek help, in fact it'll likely make them spiral and lose even more control, adressing the latter toxic elements in their life will however start to get them on the right track to recovery |
Aug 20, 2024 7:43 AM
#13
Reply to DigiCat
@ColourWheel That programme you describe does sound terrible and i'm not surprised it got laughed at
But, that's the thing, it's when people try too hard to touch on sensitive issues that it turns into something ridiculous, there are anime though that include these issues as a story element in ways that it developes naturally without trying to be virtuos, and those are the shows that resonate with people, of course they can't cure things like depression, but they can help people identify what and why they're feeling, they can teach people how to tell what the warning signs are if the people close to them are experiencing such things without being taken as a joke, if the people watching pay attention to these details
As for this "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it", i'm sorry but i'm gonna call BS
It's not anime that conrtibutes to depression, but it's things like you're surroundings, upbringing, toxic relationships, those are things that contribute to depression, taking anime away form someone who's depressed isn't going to magically get them to seek help, in fact it'll likely make them spiral and lose even more control, adressing the latter toxic elements in their life will however start to get them on the right track to recovery
But, that's the thing, it's when people try too hard to touch on sensitive issues that it turns into something ridiculous, there are anime though that include these issues as a story element in ways that it developes naturally without trying to be virtuos, and those are the shows that resonate with people, of course they can't cure things like depression, but they can help people identify what and why they're feeling, they can teach people how to tell what the warning signs are if the people close to them are experiencing such things without being taken as a joke, if the people watching pay attention to these details
As for this "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it", i'm sorry but i'm gonna call BS
It's not anime that conrtibutes to depression, but it's things like you're surroundings, upbringing, toxic relationships, those are things that contribute to depression, taking anime away form someone who's depressed isn't going to magically get them to seek help, in fact it'll likely make them spiral and lose even more control, adressing the latter toxic elements in their life will however start to get them on the right track to recovery
DigiCat said: As for this "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it", i'm sorry but i'm gonna call BS It's not anime that conrtibutes to depression, but it's things like you're surroundings, upbringing, toxic relationships, those are things that contribute to depression, taking anime away form someone who's depressed isn't going to magically get them to seek help, in fact it'll likely make them spiral and lose even more control, adressing the latter toxic elements in their life will however start to get them on the right track to recovery I never said Anime specifically contributes to depression. You took my words completely out of context completely ignoring the rest of what I had to say. I really don't see how you don't understand the point I was getting at here calling it BS. So I will try to explain myself better for you to understand. If this doesn't help then just keeping thinking what I have to say is BS and that will be the end of it... Escapism is only a positive thing when dealing with depression when one is filling their life consumed with themes that will offer a source of emotional support or motivation. Otherwise it's just exercise in futility. When most people reach an appropriate age of being able to consume vast amounts of Anime (Early to late teens). Most modern seasonal Anime is usually not always flooded with the most positive things to specifically help with depression. Because even light hearted Anime is not always truly light hearted 100% of the time. Any exposure of depictions of intense or even slight emotional distress or even trauma can easily exacerbate feelings of sadness and hopelessness for anyone who is truly depressed. In fact it's more than likely for these things to be present in seasonal Anime if one is consuming something they have yet to experience watching. Sure taking Anime completely away from someone who is suffering from depression might not solve their issues, but unless someone is getting real professional help Anime isn't going to help fix anything for them other than temporary relief at most. The longer someone is suffering from true depression the harder it becomes to meaningfully address it and even complicate things. As an example someone with a severe case of depression trying to watch "Welcome to the N.H.K." for the 1st time will likely not help them in the slightest. Also as a Parent who has a daughter in her early 20s now, I would have not let my daughter consume her life with Anime when she was in her teens if she was to ever really suffering from severe Depression. Since she has been living in Japan with relatives, I would have tried to advise my Wife's parents to have cut her off from such things and try filling her life with more positive forms of Escapism if anything and also help to seek for professional help for her. I remember when she came home one year from one of her 3 school breaks, She was extremely depressed about a boy she had a crush on. Sure it was not a severe case of depression but she was still emotionally destressed because she tried to open her feeling to the guy right before she came home to visit and was badly rejected. Sure I could have left her alone but instead I spent as much time with her as possible and even taught her how to play Upright bass. We even went out to buy her own Upright Bass together and we played music together almost every day during that time period in December to January till she left for school again that year (I literally bought her one of the most expensive Yamaha Upright Bass they had). She still plays Upright Bass to this day and she has told me how therapeutic it has been for her in her life even as recent as a few months ago when she was really stressed out over something that I won't get into personal details about. |
ColourWheelAug 20, 2024 8:49 AM
Aug 20, 2024 7:46 AM
#14
"Psychology" as a genre is such a shitty idea to begin with. Unless a show's selling point is fanservice or comedy, I think psychological changes are kinda expected to be shown. It's not a defining feature per se, there can only be slightly more or slightly less focus on the inside workings. So, anime is effectively already "focused on the psychology", it's just the approach to depicting psychological changes and tribulations that differ. |
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Aug 20, 2024 8:58 AM
#15
Reply to ColourWheel
DigiCat said:
As for this "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it", i'm sorry but i'm gonna call BS
It's not anime that conrtibutes to depression, but it's things like you're surroundings, upbringing, toxic relationships, those are things that contribute to depression, taking anime away form someone who's depressed isn't going to magically get them to seek help, in fact it'll likely make them spiral and lose even more control, adressing the latter toxic elements in their life will however start to get them on the right track to recovery
As for this "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it", i'm sorry but i'm gonna call BS
It's not anime that conrtibutes to depression, but it's things like you're surroundings, upbringing, toxic relationships, those are things that contribute to depression, taking anime away form someone who's depressed isn't going to magically get them to seek help, in fact it'll likely make them spiral and lose even more control, adressing the latter toxic elements in their life will however start to get them on the right track to recovery
I never said Anime specifically contributes to depression. You took my words completely out of context completely ignoring the rest of what I had to say. I really don't see how you don't understand the point I was getting at here calling it BS. So I will try to explain myself better for you to understand. If this doesn't help then just keeping thinking what I have to say is BS and that will be the end of it...
Escapism is only a positive thing when dealing with depression when one is filling their life consumed with themes that will offer a source of emotional support or motivation. Otherwise it's just exercise in futility.
When most people reach an appropriate age of being able to consume vast amounts of Anime (Early to late teens). Most modern seasonal Anime is usually not always flooded with the most positive things to specifically help with depression. Because even light hearted Anime is not always truly light hearted 100% of the time. Any exposure of depictions of intense or even slight emotional distress or even trauma can easily exacerbate feelings of sadness and hopelessness for anyone who is truly depressed. In fact it's more than likely for these things to be present in seasonal Anime if one is consuming something they have yet to experience watching.
Sure taking Anime completely away from someone who is suffering from depression might not solve their issues, but unless someone is getting real professional help Anime isn't going to help fix anything for them other than temporary relief at most. The longer someone is suffering from true depression the harder it becomes to meaningfully address it and even complicate things.
As an example someone with a severe case of depression trying to watch "Welcome to the N.H.K." for the 1st time will likely not help them in the slightest.
Also as a Parent who has a daughter in her early 20s now, I would have not let my daughter consume her life with Anime when she was in her teens if she was to ever really suffering from severe Depression. Since she has been living in Japan with relatives, I would have tried to advise my Wife's parents to have cut her off from such things and try filling her life with more positive forms of Escapism if anything and also help to seek for professional help for her. I remember when she came home one year from one of her 3 school breaks, She was extremely depressed about a boy she had a crush on. Sure it was not a severe case of depression but she was still emotionally destressed because she tried to open her feeling to the guy right before she came home to visit and was badly rejected. Sure I could have left her alone but instead I spent as much time with her as possible and even taught her how to play Upright bass. We even went out to buy her own Upright Bass together and we played music together almost every day during that time period in December to January till she left for school again that year (I literally bought her one of the most expensive Yamaha Upright Bass they had). She still plays Upright Bass to this day and she has told me how therapeutic it has been for her in her life even as recent as a few months ago when she was really stressed out over something that I won't get into personal details about.
@ColourWheel ColourWheel said: I never said Anime specifically contributes to depression. You took my words completely out of context completely ignoring the rest of what I had to say ColourWheel said: If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have. Specifically if one is already a shut-in who spends their entire life just consuming Anime every day and all day long If by out of context you mean i didn't quote the entire paragraph here it is, i read the whole thing before replying and my answer on the matter doesn't change ColourWheel said: Escapism is only a positive thing when dealing with depression when one is filling their life consumed with themes that will offer a source of emotional support or motivation. Otherwise it's just exercise in futility Yes, i agree with this point, which is very different from what you said in your previous post "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have" And anime can in fact give that emotional support/motivation, it's not a cure, and it doesn't work for everyone, and yes, if it's used souly as a distraction it is futile, but futile means useless, it does nothing, it does nothing good, and it also does nothing bad, it's not contributing to depression, it's not making it worse ColourWheel said: When most people reach an appropriate age of being able to consume vast amounts of Anime (Early to late teens). Most seasonal Anime is usually not always flooded with the most positive things to specifically help with depression. Because even light hearted Anime is not always truly light hearted 100% of the time. Any exposure of depictions of intense or even slight emotional distress or even trauma can easily exacerbate feelings of sadness and hopelessness for anyone who is truly depressed. In fact it's more than likely for these things to be present in seasonal Anime if one is consuming something they have yet to experience watching ... ... i'm sorry but i think some of my braincells just died reading that I'm not sure if you realize this, but human psychology is so much more complicated than "oh you're depressed? you need positive vibes to help you get out of it" You don't seem to take into account that different people will have different personalities, different things that trigger them, different causes to their trauma, depression, or other mental health issues You can have two people with depression, and one will be drawn to all the positive kawaii fluffy comedies as a way to escape the darkness, while the other will be drawn to the very darkness they're experiencing, maybe it's carthartic, maybe they want to feel a connection to those characters so similar to them, maybe they're just finding ways to feel at all, and a 3rd person might seek a mix of both as a way to feel those emotions but with a lighthearted goofiness to soften the blow I'm sorry but who are you to say what will exarcebate those feeling and what will help let them out in a healthy way? Who are you to say what "truely depressed" is? I know it might not look like it with how i behave on MAL, but i'm traumatized as fuck, i've had some very shitty experiences, my brain feels like it's been shattered and glued back together over and over again, that's not exactly a recipe for being all happy and cheerful So if i'm depressed and should be (by your logic) seeking out things that are flooded with positivity... then why am i so drawn to the dark explorations of the human mind? Why am i drawn to anime with characters who've had the same shitty upbringing as me? Why am i drawn to stories that'll rip your heart out? ColourWheel said: Sure taking Anime completely away from someone who is suffering from depression might not solve their issues, but unless someone is getting real professional help Anime isn't going to help fix anything for them other than temporary relief at most Wow, now where did i hear that before? DigiCat said: there are anime though that include these issues as a story element in ways that it developes naturally without trying to be virtuos, and those are the shows that resonate with people, of course they can't cure things like depression, but they can help people identify what and why they're feeling |
DigiCatAug 20, 2024 9:02 AM
Aug 20, 2024 9:39 AM
#16
I don't think watching anime is the way to go. If someone needs help, they should seek professional assistance. Peeti said: The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas |
Aug 20, 2024 9:53 AM
#17
its impossible to stay a miserable depressed piece of shit if you've watched evangelion at the lowest point of your life or at any low point of your life. if someone still is after that then it simply means they have given up completely and don't even care about being normal again. |
The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama. Feeling half happy, half sad. Kawaii waifus and precious best girls <3333 |
Aug 20, 2024 10:00 AM
#18
Reply to DigiCat
@ColourWheel
If by out of context you mean i didn't quote the entire paragraph here it is, i read the whole thing before replying and my answer on the matter doesn't change
Yes, i agree with this point, which is very different from what you said in your previous post "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have"
And anime can in fact give that emotional support/motivation, it's not a cure, and it doesn't work for everyone, and yes, if it's used souly as a distraction it is futile, but futile means useless, it does nothing, it does nothing good, and it also does nothing bad, it's not contributing to depression, it's not making it worse
... ... i'm sorry but i think some of my braincells just died reading that
I'm not sure if you realize this, but human psychology is so much more complicated than "oh you're depressed? you need positive vibes to help you get out of it"
You don't seem to take into account that different people will have different personalities, different things that trigger them, different causes to their trauma, depression, or other mental health issues
You can have two people with depression, and one will be drawn to all the positive kawaii fluffy comedies as a way to escape the darkness, while the other will be drawn to the very darkness they're experiencing, maybe it's carthartic, maybe they want to feel a connection to those characters so similar to them, maybe they're just finding ways to feel at all, and a 3rd person might seek a mix of both as a way to feel those emotions but with a lighthearted goofiness to soften the blow
I'm sorry but who are you to say what will exarcebate those feeling and what will help let them out in a healthy way? Who are you to say what "truely depressed" is?
I know it might not look like it with how i behave on MAL, but i'm traumatized as fuck, i've had some very shitty experiences, my brain feels like it's been shattered and glued back together over and over again, that's not exactly a recipe for being all happy and cheerful
So if i'm depressed and should be (by your logic) seeking out things that are flooded with positivity... then why am i so drawn to the dark explorations of the human mind? Why am i drawn to anime with characters who've had the same shitty upbringing as me? Why am i drawn to stories that'll rip your heart out?
Wow, now where did i hear that before?
ColourWheel said:
I never said Anime specifically contributes to depression. You took my words completely out of context completely ignoring the rest of what I had to say
I never said Anime specifically contributes to depression. You took my words completely out of context completely ignoring the rest of what I had to say
ColourWheel said:
If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have. Specifically if one is already a shut-in who spends their entire life just consuming Anime every day and all day long
If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have. Specifically if one is already a shut-in who spends their entire life just consuming Anime every day and all day long
If by out of context you mean i didn't quote the entire paragraph here it is, i read the whole thing before replying and my answer on the matter doesn't change
ColourWheel said:
Escapism is only a positive thing when dealing with depression when one is filling their life consumed with themes that will offer a source of emotional support or motivation. Otherwise it's just exercise in futility
Escapism is only a positive thing when dealing with depression when one is filling their life consumed with themes that will offer a source of emotional support or motivation. Otherwise it's just exercise in futility
Yes, i agree with this point, which is very different from what you said in your previous post "If anything Japanese Anime mainly perpetually contributes to such things as depression if one is already suffering from a severe case of it. Giving it's audience temporary relief of escapism without addressing the real underlining issues they might have"
And anime can in fact give that emotional support/motivation, it's not a cure, and it doesn't work for everyone, and yes, if it's used souly as a distraction it is futile, but futile means useless, it does nothing, it does nothing good, and it also does nothing bad, it's not contributing to depression, it's not making it worse
ColourWheel said:
When most people reach an appropriate age of being able to consume vast amounts of Anime (Early to late teens). Most seasonal Anime is usually not always flooded with the most positive things to specifically help with depression. Because even light hearted Anime is not always truly light hearted 100% of the time. Any exposure of depictions of intense or even slight emotional distress or even trauma can easily exacerbate feelings of sadness and hopelessness for anyone who is truly depressed. In fact it's more than likely for these things to be present in seasonal Anime if one is consuming something they have yet to experience watching
When most people reach an appropriate age of being able to consume vast amounts of Anime (Early to late teens). Most seasonal Anime is usually not always flooded with the most positive things to specifically help with depression. Because even light hearted Anime is not always truly light hearted 100% of the time. Any exposure of depictions of intense or even slight emotional distress or even trauma can easily exacerbate feelings of sadness and hopelessness for anyone who is truly depressed. In fact it's more than likely for these things to be present in seasonal Anime if one is consuming something they have yet to experience watching
... ... i'm sorry but i think some of my braincells just died reading that
I'm not sure if you realize this, but human psychology is so much more complicated than "oh you're depressed? you need positive vibes to help you get out of it"
You don't seem to take into account that different people will have different personalities, different things that trigger them, different causes to their trauma, depression, or other mental health issues
You can have two people with depression, and one will be drawn to all the positive kawaii fluffy comedies as a way to escape the darkness, while the other will be drawn to the very darkness they're experiencing, maybe it's carthartic, maybe they want to feel a connection to those characters so similar to them, maybe they're just finding ways to feel at all, and a 3rd person might seek a mix of both as a way to feel those emotions but with a lighthearted goofiness to soften the blow
I'm sorry but who are you to say what will exarcebate those feeling and what will help let them out in a healthy way? Who are you to say what "truely depressed" is?
I know it might not look like it with how i behave on MAL, but i'm traumatized as fuck, i've had some very shitty experiences, my brain feels like it's been shattered and glued back together over and over again, that's not exactly a recipe for being all happy and cheerful
So if i'm depressed and should be (by your logic) seeking out things that are flooded with positivity... then why am i so drawn to the dark explorations of the human mind? Why am i drawn to anime with characters who've had the same shitty upbringing as me? Why am i drawn to stories that'll rip your heart out?
ColourWheel said:
Sure taking Anime completely away from someone who is suffering from depression might not solve their issues, but unless someone is getting real professional help Anime isn't going to help fix anything for them other than temporary relief at most
Sure taking Anime completely away from someone who is suffering from depression might not solve their issues, but unless someone is getting real professional help Anime isn't going to help fix anything for them other than temporary relief at most
Wow, now where did i hear that before?
DigiCat said:
there are anime though that include these issues as a story element in ways that it developes naturally without trying to be virtuos, and those are the shows that resonate with people, of course they can't cure things like depression, but they can help people identify what and why they're feeling
there are anime though that include these issues as a story element in ways that it developes naturally without trying to be virtuos, and those are the shows that resonate with people, of course they can't cure things like depression, but they can help people identify what and why they're feeling
DigiCat said: I know it might not look like it with how i behave on MAL, but i'm traumatized as fuck, i've had some very shitty experiences, my brain feels like it's been shattered and glued back together over and over again, that's not exactly a recipe for being all happy and cheerful I get you don't agree with what I have to say but I have a very small violin to play for you here when you say something like this. When I was in my early teens I was random beaten-up half to death by a group of 12 guys being targeted by some local gang as a gang initiation when I was simply just walking down the street alone minding my own business. I just happened to be picked on because I was Asian (today it would have been considered a hate crime) being at the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't know how you would feel being literally beaten-up half to death while being called racial slurs but I could imagine it wouldn't be fun for anyone. I literally have a titanium metal plate in my head, had to have my entire jaw restructured, and was completely traumatized by the entire incident for quite a while after. To this day I still have to see an endodontist occasionally due to complications to my teeth and mouth having almost bi-yearly Surgery to my mouth. My head was literally shattered and glued back together again and even suffered multiple severe concussions that effected my thought process in early high school. I won't even get into how expensive it has been for me to for over the past 2 decades to keep privately covering my own dental and health insurance where on average it has cost me almost 3 time more than the average premium plans most people can get due to my own health complications. The effects of this one incident of dramatic brain injury has caused my thought process to start fading even in my early 40s where I have forgotten things in my past as early as late childhood and early teen memories I once held dear being able to use to clearly remember even just less than a decade ago. DigiCat said: I'm sorry but who are you to say what will exarcebate those feeling and what will help let them out in a healthy way? Who are you to say what "truely depressed" is? As one who has experienced true depression at an early age I think I am entitled to my own opinion on the matter. With that said you are entitled to your own opinion too. |
ColourWheelAug 20, 2024 10:42 AM
Aug 20, 2024 11:34 AM
#19
Reply to ColourWheel
DigiCat said:
I know it might not look like it with how i behave on MAL, but i'm traumatized as fuck, i've had some very shitty experiences, my brain feels like it's been shattered and glued back together over and over again, that's not exactly a recipe for being all happy and cheerful
I know it might not look like it with how i behave on MAL, but i'm traumatized as fuck, i've had some very shitty experiences, my brain feels like it's been shattered and glued back together over and over again, that's not exactly a recipe for being all happy and cheerful
I get you don't agree with what I have to say but I have a very small violin to play for you here when you say something like this.
When I was in my early teens I was random beaten-up half to death by a group of 12 guys being targeted by some local gang as a gang initiation when I was simply just walking down the street alone minding my own business. I just happened to be picked on because I was Asian (today it would have been considered a hate crime) being at the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't know how you would feel being literally beaten-up half to death while being called racial slurs but I could imagine it wouldn't be fun for anyone.
I literally have a titanium metal plate in my head, had to have my entire jaw restructured, and was completely traumatized by the entire incident for quite a while after. To this day I still have to see an endodontist occasionally due to complications to my teeth and mouth having almost bi-yearly Surgery to my mouth. My head was literally shattered and glued back together again and even suffered multiple severe concussions that effected my thought process in early high school. I won't even get into how expensive it has been for me to for over the past 2 decades to keep privately covering my own dental and health insurance where on average it has cost me almost 3 time more than the average premium plans most people can get due to my own health complications.
The effects of this one incident of dramatic brain injury has caused my thought process to start fading even in my early 40s where I have forgotten things in my past as early as late childhood and early teen memories I once held dear being able to use to clearly remember even just less than a decade ago.
DigiCat said:
I'm sorry but who are you to say what will exarcebate those feeling and what will help let them out in a healthy way? Who are you to say what "truely depressed" is?
I'm sorry but who are you to say what will exarcebate those feeling and what will help let them out in a healthy way? Who are you to say what "truely depressed" is?
As one who has experienced true depression at an early age I think I am entitled to my own opinion on the matter.
With that said you are entitled to your own opinion too.
@ColourWheel I'm sorry you went thru that On the depression part, yes, we are both entitled to our opinions, that's why the "truely" part didn't sit well with me as everyone is going to experience it differently |
Aug 20, 2024 11:45 AM
#20
No mentions of Haibane Renmei, so uh... go watch it guys. Edit: You can also watch: NHK ni Youkoso Colorful A Silent Voice Kuuchuu Buranko is literally about psychology altough it doesn't cover heavy topics Paranoia agent Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei ... I'm sure there are plenty more out there. |
SupChocoAug 20, 2024 11:54 AM
Aug 20, 2024 11:55 AM
#21
It is rather naive to believe that anime can fix the problems of depression and suicide. Hint, hint it is capitalism that is at the root of the world's problems. Thinking that capitalism can fix the world's problems is downright silly. |
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Aug 20, 2024 12:21 PM
#22
Reply to DesuMaiden
It is rather naive to believe that anime can fix the problems of depression and suicide. Hint, hint it is capitalism that is at the root of the world's problems. Thinking that capitalism can fix the world's problems is downright silly.
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Aug 20, 2024 1:38 PM
#23
Reply to DigiCat
@ColourWheel I'm sorry you went thru that
On the depression part, yes, we are both entitled to our opinions, that's why the "truely" part didn't sit well with me as everyone is going to experience it differently
On the depression part, yes, we are both entitled to our opinions, that's why the "truely" part didn't sit well with me as everyone is going to experience it differently
DigiCat said: @ColourWheel I'm sorry you went thru that On the depression part, yes, we are both entitled to our opinions, that's why the "truely" part didn't sit well with me as everyone is going to experience it differently No need for you to apologize. It happened along time ago and I just think of it as just a learning experience. For the record, I will apologize to you too for getting you so worked up. At least I grew up healthy, otherwise. Lived so far an extremely successful life. Grew to being 6'2" by the time high school ended with an actual fit body and muscle mass because I still ate healthy foods and exercised everyday even as a kid and today I look pretty intimidating with a large scar across my eyebrow. Basically people have never tired to mess me like that since. I have even been told I even come across these days looking like a seasoned Yakuza thug by my friends whenever I am wearing a plain black suit. Even my Wife thinks I look intimidating (sexy) these days ever since my hair has partly gone grey. She is always trying to compare me with the Korean Drama actors she has celebrity crushes on. lol Though, I get that didn't sit well with you when I said "truly". Maybe I should have opened with my personal traumatic story to begin with. Japanese Anime still in general just doesn't seem to me like a good means to address real depression and suicide for all the reason I have previously expressed. Though, it's completely ok if you disagree with my opinion. I have learned it's good to agree to disagree. |
ColourWheelAug 20, 2024 1:48 PM
Aug 20, 2024 2:24 PM
#24
nope. manga exists for that purpose. |
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Aug 20, 2024 9:17 PM
#25
OK, I've been through a Major depression before, but it was before I really started watching Anime'. I have some P TSD these days from having dealt with my Mother dying of Dementia during the worst 2 years of Covid. That is kind of up & down. As for the effects of watching Anime' on this, only the Cafe' Terrace has had an episode that touched my pain directly, but it didn't last that long. It won't make me give up on a show that still makes me laugh. And that is the best therapy for me right now, a good chuckle or a belly laugh. Oh, I've watched a lot of psychological Anime's like Psychopass. Pretty good stuff, actually ( well some seasons are, anyway.). |
Aug 21, 2024 1:19 AM
#26
Reply to tanjiromybaby
I don't think watching anime is the way to go. If someone needs help, they should seek professional assistance.
Peeti said:
The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas
The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas
@JustMaya I am the one who's taking professional help since June. It helps but it's still not easy. I still got numbness attacks. I am pathetic. |
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Aug 21, 2024 5:10 AM
#27
Reply to Peeti
@JustMaya I am the one who's taking professional help since June. It helps but it's still not easy. I still got numbness attacks. I am pathetic.
@Peeti It's great that you're seeking help, and that's a strong step forward. Healing takes time, and you're not pathetic for feeling this way. Keep going, you’re doing your best. |
Aug 21, 2024 10:32 AM
#28
Reply to tanjiromybaby
@Peeti It's great that you're seeking help, and that's a strong step forward. Healing takes time, and you're not pathetic for feeling this way. Keep going, you’re doing your best.
@JustMaya I visited mind care centre today. Doctor was happy with my progress but unfortunately the amount of medicine given by him is still a lot. I have lost a part of love for myself. I never asked or made friends online before but during this hard time, I have reached almost a thousand people online. Thanks for encouragement by the way. Thanks 🙏 |
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Aug 22, 2024 10:19 AM
#29
Everyone goes through life and experiences differently. Media like anime are usually for entertainment purposes. Though some shows may relate to us in one way or another, they should be taken as a form of reference rather than a medium for treatment. If a person is facing mental health issues, he/she should consider professional help. In our current society where we are facing lots of wars and turmoil, diseases, and in micro scale like home, work and/or study demands, people are getting more stressful in life. There are also some who have reached the level of burnouts or are already in the state of depression to suicide ideation and attempts. It is therefore essential to recognise the warning signs of mental health issues and seek help from a mental health specialist. Early intervention is critical in preventing more severe mental health problems that may interfere with an individual’s daily activities. Appropriate care and support are necessary to improve the mental health and quality of life in the long run. Other ways of non-pharmacological interventions that may help to relieve stress can be self-help strategies (eg. exercising, eating healthy, stress-relieving techniques, having a hobby, socialising with friends who can "lift you up"), or going for psychotherapy if life stressors get too overwhelming for us to handle. Don't wait till it is too late to seek help. |
Jan 13, 9:47 PM
#30
Reply to DigiCat
Peeti said:
The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡
The number of suicide cases, depression are not a small thing. Do you think that anime medium can assist to help with this problem? What do you think? Any ideas 💡
Not sure what you mean by help, but there's already a good number of anime which have quite indepth focus on depression and other mental health struggles (even suicide, though it's depiction is rarer) even though they aren't always outright stated but are presented thru more subtle character writing, and having someone on screen you can relate to in that way can def help, at least that's my experience
Anime that have great psychological depictions in these aspects imo
- Oshi no Ko
- Banana Fish
- Black Clover
- Erased
- My Hero Academia
- Buddy Daddies
- Code Geass
- Digimon
- Full Metal Panic
- Fullmetal Alchemist
- Given
- Hunter x Hunter (1999)
- The Apothecary Diaries
- Noragami
- Orange
- Perfect Blue
- Psycho-Pass
- Rainbow
- Re:zero
- Attack On Titan
- Soul Eater
- Spy x Family
- Sword Art Online
- Tokyo Revengers
- Versailles no Bara
- Vinland Saga
@DigiCat by help, I meant I was in trouble so I just made a post regarding this. I was holding onto wooden sticks floating in the river while I was drowning in it. Could have ended myself but didn't. Still I don't want to live but it has gotten better thankfully |
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Jan 13, 9:53 PM
#31
Reply to ProGoddess
Everyone goes through life and experiences differently. Media like anime are usually for entertainment purposes. Though some shows may relate to us in one way or another, they should be taken as a form of reference rather than a medium for treatment. If a person is facing mental health issues, he/she should consider professional help.
In our current society where we are facing lots of wars and turmoil, diseases, and in micro scale like home, work and/or study demands, people are getting more stressful in life. There are also some who have reached the level of burnouts or are already in the state of depression to suicide ideation and attempts. It is therefore essential to recognise the warning signs of mental health issues and seek help from a mental health specialist. Early intervention is critical in preventing more severe mental health problems that may interfere with an individual’s daily activities. Appropriate care and support are necessary to improve the mental health and quality of life in the long run.
Other ways of non-pharmacological interventions that may help to relieve stress can be self-help strategies (eg. exercising, eating healthy, stress-relieving techniques, having a hobby, socialising with friends who can "lift you up"), or going for psychotherapy if life stressors get too overwhelming for us to handle.
Don't wait till it is too late to seek help.
In our current society where we are facing lots of wars and turmoil, diseases, and in micro scale like home, work and/or study demands, people are getting more stressful in life. There are also some who have reached the level of burnouts or are already in the state of depression to suicide ideation and attempts. It is therefore essential to recognise the warning signs of mental health issues and seek help from a mental health specialist. Early intervention is critical in preventing more severe mental health problems that may interfere with an individual’s daily activities. Appropriate care and support are necessary to improve the mental health and quality of life in the long run.
Other ways of non-pharmacological interventions that may help to relieve stress can be self-help strategies (eg. exercising, eating healthy, stress-relieving techniques, having a hobby, socialising with friends who can "lift you up"), or going for psychotherapy if life stressors get too overwhelming for us to handle.
Don't wait till it is too late to seek help.
@ProGoddess I am taking professional help. 1500+ medicines in less than an year. I am surviving. |
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Jan 14, 3:40 AM
#33
"on psychological spectrum" To quote the show Captain Scarlet - "S.I.G." (which comes from "The spectrum is green") - https://gerryanderson.fandom.com/wiki/S.I.G. |
Jan 14, 4:34 AM
#34
Reply to Peeti
@ProGoddess I am taking professional help. 1500+ medicines in less than an year. I am surviving.
@Peeti It's good to know that you are coping and managing well with the help of a healthcare professional. Counseling helps too. Take care! |
Jan 14, 8:28 AM
#35
Reply to ProGoddess
@Peeti
It's good to know that you are coping and managing well with the help of a healthcare professional. Counseling helps too.
Take care!
It's good to know that you are coping and managing well with the help of a healthcare professional. Counseling helps too.
Take care!
@ProGoddess I hope that I don't quit. Not gonna say much but it's hard ya know 😭 |
"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Jan 14, 8:29 AM
#36
Reply to alshu
"on psychological spectrum"
To quote the show Captain Scarlet - "S.I.G." (which comes from "The spectrum is green") - https://gerryanderson.fandom.com/wiki/S.I.G.
To quote the show Captain Scarlet - "S.I.G." (which comes from "The spectrum is green") - https://gerryanderson.fandom.com/wiki/S.I.G.
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"I think I wanted to attack something. Like betraying people or hurting people. And, well, it's not exactly nice, but hurting the readers too... In all honestly, I feel that's what I really wanted to do. For me, as a reader, when I think, "this manga will remain in my heart," it means, for example, it phenomenally hurt me: It's those kinds of experiences I'm after." - Pajime Hisayama (My favourite hurting author). |
Jan 19, 3:03 AM
#37
Yes, because I want to see sanity deteriorate, it is part of the whole like tactics. |
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