| They translate from English to French, which is also translated by AI. Fortunately, in France, we have another streaming service, ADN, which streams this anime with translation MADE BY HUMAN. I watched the episode on ADN, so I can not confirm, but, apparently, there is no translator credited in the Prunchyfraud version. Not crediting translators is illegal in France. Therefore, there is no doubt they used AI. https://x.com/oecuf0/status/1809976150774382818 https://x.com/DeformerLua/status/1809971193400692814 Here are examples in the German & English sub:   PS: In case you didn't understand that I was talking about Crunchyroll : we love giving slander names to whatever or whoever we don't appreciate in the French Twitter community. We often call this company:
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KamenSentaiJul 7, 8:00 PM
| So? I wouldn't mind, as long as it's doing the job well. Some day it probably will. I speak german and these subs are fine. Trash them, but they're trying here. What do you want them to do? Hire a translator for EVERY LANGUAGE, and that for every new Anime that comes out? Always? While the majority of people is stealing the stuff anyways? AI is, at least, opening the possbility to do that, as a streaming company. It's just not that perfect, yet. Put on your big boy pants and watch english subs, like the rest of us. Problem solved. KamenSentai said: PS: In case you didn't understand that I was talking about Crunchyroll : we love giving slander names to whatever or whoever we don't appreciate in the French Twitter community. We often call this company: «Prunchyroll» «Crunchyfraude» «Prunchyfraude» «Crunchymerde» «Rouleau Croustillant» etc Also... Are you actually kinda proud to be a dick, whenever you can, and you attribute this to your nationality somehow? xD Weird thing to brag about^^ "Crunchymerde" - is basically "Crunchyshit" yeah? Damn, you french Twitter guys truly ARE witty, I give you that............ |
Merve2LoveJul 7, 5:57 PM
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Reply to Merve2Love
So? I wouldn't mind, as long as it's doing the job well. Some day it probably will.
I speak german and these subs are fine. Trash them, but they're trying here.
What do you want them to do? Hire a translator for EVERY LANGUAGE, and that for every new Anime that comes out? Always? While the majority of people is stealing the stuff anyways? AI is, at least, opening the possbility to do that, as a streaming company. It's just not that perfect, yet.
Put on your big boy pants and watch english subs, like the rest of us. Problem solved.
Also...
Are you actually kinda proud to be a dick, whenever you can, and you attribute this to your nationality somehow? xD
Weird thing to brag about^^
"Crunchymerde" - is basically "Crunchyshit" yeah?
Damn, you french Twitter guys truly ARE witty, I give you that............
I speak german and these subs are fine. Trash them, but they're trying here.
What do you want them to do? Hire a translator for EVERY LANGUAGE, and that for every new Anime that comes out? Always? While the majority of people is stealing the stuff anyways? AI is, at least, opening the possbility to do that, as a streaming company. It's just not that perfect, yet.
Put on your big boy pants and watch english subs, like the rest of us. Problem solved.
KamenSentai said:
PS:
In case you didn't understand that I was talking about Crunchyroll : we love giving slander names to whatever or whoever we don't appreciate in the French Twitter community. We often call this company:
«Prunchyroll»
«Crunchyfraude»
«Prunchyfraude»
«Crunchymerde»
«Rouleau Croustillant»
etc
PS:
In case you didn't understand that I was talking about Crunchyroll : we love giving slander names to whatever or whoever we don't appreciate in the French Twitter community. We often call this company:
«Prunchyroll»
«Crunchyfraude»
«Prunchyfraude»
«Crunchymerde»
«Rouleau Croustillant»
etc
Also...
Are you actually kinda proud to be a dick, whenever you can, and you attribute this to your nationality somehow? xD
Weird thing to brag about^^
"Crunchymerde" - is basically "Crunchyshit" yeah?
Damn, you french Twitter guys truly ARE witty, I give you that............
| @Merve2Love «As long as it's doing the job well» ?????????? Did you see the images I linked ? Even if most German are fluent in English, does it mean they can mix two languages in the subtitles?????????? I also did not link screenshots in French, since people might not be able to read, but the translation is HORRIBLE. The sentences in the French translation is nonsense. Insult me a «d*ck» if you want to, it doesn't alter the fact that their AI is not working and the French and the German communities are sick and tired of everything this company does, such as:
Shall I continue to list all the bad work from Crunchyroll? Do you need me to link sources? |
KamenSentaiJul 7, 7:47 PM
| Just one of the many reasons not to give money to Crunchyroll. They are not interested in making product, but making money. |
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@Merve2Love
«As long as it's doing the job well» ?????????? Did you see the images I linked ? Even if most German are fluent in English, does it mean they can mix two languages in the subtitles??????????
I also did not link screenshots in French, since people might not be able to read, but the translation is HORRIBLE. The sentences in the French translation is nonsense.
Insult me a «d*ck» if you want to, it doesn't alter the fact that their AI is not working and the French and the German communities are sick and tired of everything this company does, such as:
Shall I continue to list all the bad work from Crunchyroll? Do you need me to link sources?
«As long as it's doing the job well» ?????????? Did you see the images I linked ? Even if most German are fluent in English, does it mean they can mix two languages in the subtitles??????????
I also did not link screenshots in French, since people might not be able to read, but the translation is HORRIBLE. The sentences in the French translation is nonsense.
Insult me a «d*ck» if you want to, it doesn't alter the fact that their AI is not working and the French and the German communities are sick and tired of everything this company does, such as:
- not paying the translators
- informing their subscribers in the last minute that their pricing is increasing
- using a dark pattern in the unsubscribe page to make the user to feel culpability if they want to leave
- firing a US dub actor because he is a member of a union which goal is to improve the work condition for dub actors (Kyle McCarley)
- firing a French dub actress because she did a fan dub of a CSM trailer (Anna Lauzeray-Gishi)
- lying by saying they contribute to the anime industry, but actually, they are not often in the production committees
- merging with the brand Kaze in Europe to force the manga buyers to order the new book jackets, which is a real ecology issue
- etc
Shall I continue to list all the bad work from Crunchyroll? Do you need me to link sources?
| @KamenSentai Yes, I saw. The german looks fine. As I said: Give it time. What are you trashing them for? My dude they CANT pay a translator for every language thats out there. Good, they go and hire a french one but then the next guy comes on here, complaining that he wants to watch in his native language, but the subs suck. You know what I mean? They cant. They wont. They're trying. Has nothing to do with "not giving credit" AI could bring a lot of people to watching Anime, ones the technology is ready. It would solve that problem for you. How can you trash that^^ Who promised you that everything will be available and convenient ALL THE TIME, exactly how YOU want it??? That seems entitled to me. |
Merve2LoveJul 7, 6:08 PM
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| The Subs were not handle by Crunchyroll but given by Remow the JP licensor. Even though sometime Crunchyroll can be at fault, this time they are not responsible. They might get there own subs latter on like they did with "Yuzuki Family's Four Sons" where Remow also gave them bad subs that they change couples days later. |
MahoTenshiJul 7, 6:34 PM
| This is informative and unfortunate. |
| Hirsch can also be the general term for a deer irrespective of sex, it doesn't ALWAYS mean a male one. Not arguing with the rest of your point, just throwing it out there. |
Hello can you please watch Kitaku-bu Katsudou Kiroku |
Reply to Merve2Love
@KamenSentai
Yes, I saw. The german looks fine.
As I said: Give it time.
What are you trashing them for?
My dude they CANT pay a translator for every language thats out there. Good, they go and hire a french one but then the next guy comes on here, complaining that he wants to watch in his native language, but the subs suck. You know what I mean? They cant. They wont.
They're trying. Has nothing to do with "not giving credit"
AI could bring a lot of people to watching Anime, ones the technology is ready. It would solve that problem for you. How can you trash that^^
Who promised you that everything will be available and convenient ALL THE TIME, exactly how YOU want it???
That seems entitled to me.
Yes, I saw. The german looks fine.
As I said: Give it time.
What are you trashing them for?
My dude they CANT pay a translator for every language thats out there. Good, they go and hire a french one but then the next guy comes on here, complaining that he wants to watch in his native language, but the subs suck. You know what I mean? They cant. They wont.
They're trying. Has nothing to do with "not giving credit"
AI could bring a lot of people to watching Anime, ones the technology is ready. It would solve that problem for you. How can you trash that^^
Who promised you that everything will be available and convenient ALL THE TIME, exactly how YOU want it???
That seems entitled to me.
| @Merve2Love You defend the use of AI, fine. In France, we have been watching anime and reading manga since the 70s. We are really attached to our beloved voice actors and actress, and we appreciate very much the translators who are able to justify that translation is an art, not an assembly line work. Will the AI be able to make puns? Local jokes? (Indeed, local jokes. We were so satisfied to read that by a human translator when we saw one in a CSM episode.) No one is denying the use of AI in the future. They can come back with the perfect AI later if they want to, but people currently don't want to pay to read nonsense sentences. You want non-native English speakers to watch anime in English? Fine, fan sub pirated content will be back. Don't forget that the anime industry became popular when there was no legal streaming service, legal services then came to translate in all languages. The fans pay legal services to support people who work on the service to translate for THEIR language, and if they don't, I dare you bet whether fan subs will be back or not. They want to offer their service in France? OF COURSE, they have to hire a French translator. They want to offer their service in Italy? OF COURSE, they have to hire an Italian translator. They want to offer their service in Germany? OF COURSE, they have to hire a German translator. They want to offer their service in Spain? OF COURSE, they have to hire a Spanish translator. They want to offer their service in the Netherlands? OF COURSE, they have to hire a Dutch translator. They are a multinational company. If they can't offer anything that satisfies a local market, they should leave and the people will do the work themselves. I am ok if your viewpoint is positive about the future of AI, but suggesting me to stop reading in my language is totally disrespectful. You can debate on different opinion, but, don't you ever insult something that defines my identity. The English sub is so irritating since they keep using suffixes "-kun", "-chan", "-senpai", and so on, instead of translating these. French community will keep trash talking on this orange company until they stop disrespecting their customers who pay for their bad quality streaming and manga content. I am not going to discuss any longer. There are a lot of points to add, but, I am pretty sure we are not going to agree. |
KamenSentaiJul 7, 7:57 PM
| the only thing I've seen with AI subs before was front mission 2 and it is the single worst translation of any game ive ever seen. God forbid if they make this shit more common in anime. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Merve2Love said: @KamenSentai Yes, I saw. The german looks fine. As I said: Give it time. What are you trashing them for? My dude they CANT pay a translator for every language thats out there. Good, they go and hire a french one but then the next guy comes on here, complaining that he wants to watch in his native language, but the subs suck. You know what I mean? They cant. They wont. They're trying. Has nothing to do with "not giving credit" AI could bring a lot of people to watching Anime, ones the technology is ready. It would solve that problem for you. How can you trash that^^ Who promised you that everything will be available and convenient ALL THE TIME, exactly how YOU want it??? That seems entitled to me. Jesus, that's one of the most stupid take I have ever read. The translation is really bad, it makes sense, but it is so unnatural. And it can get better, sure, but it will ALWAYS lack the perfect context to translate it well. Of course they hive to hire a translator to every language they cater to, they are a multinational company making quite a lot of money... |
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| >localizers go out of jobs >fansubs are relevant again and can clean the translations I see it as an absolute win  |
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Reply to 1000-MAT
Merve2Love said:
So? I wouldn't mind, as long as it's doing the job well. Some day it probably will.
I speak german and these subs are fine. Trash them, but they're trying here.
What do you want them to do? Hire a translator for EVERY LANGUAGE, and that for every new Anime that comes out? Always? While the majority of people is stealing the stuff anyways? AI is, at least, opening the possbility to do that, as a streaming company. It's just not that perfect, yet.
Put on your big boy pants and watch english subs, like the rest of us. Problem solved.
Also...
Are you actually kinda proud to be a dick, whenever you can, and you attribute this to your nationality somehow? xD
Weird thing to brag about^^
"Crunchymerde" - is basically "Crunchyshit" yeah?
Damn, you french Twitter guys truly ARE witty, I give you that............
So? I wouldn't mind, as long as it's doing the job well. Some day it probably will.
I speak german and these subs are fine. Trash them, but they're trying here.
What do you want them to do? Hire a translator for EVERY LANGUAGE, and that for every new Anime that comes out? Always? While the majority of people is stealing the stuff anyways? AI is, at least, opening the possbility to do that, as a streaming company. It's just not that perfect, yet.
Put on your big boy pants and watch english subs, like the rest of us. Problem solved.
KamenSentai said:
PS:
In case you didn't understand that I was talking about Crunchyroll : we love giving slander names to whatever or whoever we don't appreciate in the French Twitter community. We often call this company:
«Prunchyroll»
«Crunchyfraude»
«Prunchyfraude»
«Crunchymerde»
«Rouleau Croustillant»
etc
PS:
In case you didn't understand that I was talking about Crunchyroll : we love giving slander names to whatever or whoever we don't appreciate in the French Twitter community. We often call this company:
«Prunchyroll»
«Crunchyfraude»
«Prunchyfraude»
«Crunchymerde»
«Rouleau Croustillant»
etc
Also...
Are you actually kinda proud to be a dick, whenever you can, and you attribute this to your nationality somehow? xD
Weird thing to brag about^^
"Crunchymerde" - is basically "Crunchyshit" yeah?
Damn, you french Twitter guys truly ARE witty, I give you that............
people are paying for their service, so they have to hire translators, an AI translation I do myself.
| @1000-MAT THey do? Where is that formulated/promised? In the terms of service? o.O I don't think so. |
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| @Senjian Senjian said: Hi, I'm french as well, and I'm here to tell you one thing: You do not get to speak on behalf of french people. I didn't. OP did. I was neither fighting for their approval, nor was I commenting on french people in general. Again: OP did. I commented. I was just questioning if beeing a dick is A) Cool....and B) Really a matter of nationality. You didn't read. |
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Merve2Love said: "Crunchymerde" - is basically "Crunchyshit" yeah? Damn, you french Twitter guys truly ARE witty, I give you that............ He's lying and alone, tho. I'm French as well, and 5 out of 6 of the slangs he listed are not even publicly known/used, even on Twitter... Only "Crunchymerde" is relatively popular, mostly used on Twitter and JVC (a very old forum, infamous for being used by minors to insult people). Truly devastating to realize how my community is seen in the world because of... that. |
Alexioos95Jul 8, 2:46 AM
 "Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Senjian said: Nope, you were, you're just backpedaling now because you woke up and realized how silly you were last night. I mean, he's not the one you quoted in your previous post either. |
"Genius lives only one storey above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
| That's just the future old pal. It has arrived. In a few years it'll all be AI and you'll be like 'Le computie horrible has replaced 100 translators! Sacrableue!' While I play the world's smallest violin. |
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| On the German example, AI wouldn't make observations like that. Rather it's human written, but probably as a note for dubbing (instead of subbing) This paragraph doesn't make sense and can be removed seems more than what AI could muster for a translation. AI wouldn't both translate something and also decide that the translation it made didn't make sense. |
Piromysl said: But I thought anime pirates wanted Japan itself to do the translation for their shows, instead of leaving it to the woke sjws at Cringyroll.Just one of the many reasons not to give money to Crunchyroll. They are not interested in making product, but making money. How ironic now that anime pirates are complaining about the exact same thing they were asking for... |
MadanielFLJul 8, 9:45 AM
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| saw the early stream ( Abema) and then later on elsewhere. |
| Looking at what's essentially a missplaced tl-note and saying "it's AI" is probably one of the funniest comments I've seem as far as localization discussions go, have you ever seem mtl adding notes like that? That being said we can spend months complaining on Twitter that Crunchyroll (the company known for bad subs) is giving us bad subs or we can stop paying for streaming services. The norm with Netflix and other services used to be non-English movies and series getting subbed into English and every other sub a translation of that, for some reason Crunchyroll doesn't seem to do that consistently, in fact some series (such as DeDeDeDe) have worse English subs than other languages, but then they look at a series that is getting multidub in various languages and decide to use AI? I do not wish to play devil's advocate but why would they bother subbing series that likely won't see a dub for at least a year but then use AI in Shikanoko which is getting dubbed episodes on-release? edit: I'd lost the link earlier but came accross it again, here's a thread explaining how it could not be MTL: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dy6mi6/why_the_official_subs_for_my_deer_friend/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button tl;dr rush-job and/or incompetence and/or lack of editors/proofreaders as opposed to MTL. |
infamousHeroicJul 8, 9:36 AM
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Reply to MadanielFL
Piromysl said:
Just one of the many reasons not to give money to Crunchyroll. They are not interested in making product, but making money.
But I thought anime pirates wanted Japan itself to do the translation for their shows, instead of leaving it to the woke sjws at Cringyroll.Just one of the many reasons not to give money to Crunchyroll. They are not interested in making product, but making money.
How ironic now that anime pirates are complaining about the exact same thing they were asking for...
| @MadanielFL what? XD |
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Senjian said: @Merve2Love Nope, you were, you're just backpedaling now because you woke up and realized how silly you were last night. Get a grip. Guess you won then^^ Still doesn't change the fact that he brought race/nationality into it. Not me😜 |
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Piromysl said: Anime pirates be like: Let's cut the middleman, we can't trust Crunchyroll to provide faithful translations.what? XD It would be better if the Japanese studio themselves did their own translation instead. *JP producer does exactly that Pirates: why are the subs so shit? No wonder people pirate... |
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Piromysl said:
what? XD
Anime pirates be like: Let's cut the middleman, we can't trust Crunchyroll to provide faithful translations.what? XD
It would be better if the Japanese studio themselves did their own translation instead.
*JP producer does exactly that
Pirates: why are the subs so shit? No wonder people pirate...
| @MadanielFL Not what I said, but ok. |
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Piromysl said: Blaming Cr for something they didn't do is classic pirate behavior. Not what I said, but ok. |
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Reply to MadanielFL
Piromysl said:
Not what I said, but ok.
Blaming Cr for something they didn't do is classic pirate behavior. Not what I said, but ok.
| @MadanielFL You shilling for huge corporation again? |
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Piromysl said: See how you couldn't answer me and resolved to insults instead?You shilling for huge corporation again? |
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Reply to MadanielFL
Piromysl said:
You shilling for huge corporation again?
See how you couldn't answer me and resolved to insults instead?You shilling for huge corporation again?
| @MadanielFL That's... not an insult... Unless you really wanna tell us we are not supposed to blame CR for garbage subs on their site, then whatever... |
PiromyslJul 8, 10:24 AM
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| and wait for crunchyroll to up their prices again while being cheap on labor capitalism is about maximizing profit while minimizing cost |
Piromysl said: Blame the anime pirates who asked for this.Unless you really wanna tell us we are not supposed to blame CR for garbage subs on their site, then whatever... Blaming CR translators for something they didn't translate is very funny to me. |
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MadanielFL said: Piromysl said: Blame the anime pirates who asked for this.Unless you really wanna tell us we are not supposed to blame CR for garbage subs on their site, then whatever... Blaming CR translators for something they didn't translate is very funny to me. Dude, I'm not even blaming localizers, who do not deserve sympathy either way. I'm blaming CR higher ups who have authority to make decisions are willing to release shit product because they are either too lazy or too greedy to hire someone who get the job done properly. |
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Piromysl said: You never know how these things work, licensing is not always the same for every show. I'm blaming CR higher ups who have authority to make decisions are willing to release shit product because they are either too lazy or too greedy to hire someone who get the job done properly. Some anime producers will be very picky about how their anime is released overseas, just look at what happened with NGE. It's very possible that the anime producers contracted this JP company to translate their show, and then gave that translation to CR. |
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MadanielFL said: Piromysl said: You never know how these things work, licensing is not always the same for every show. I'm blaming CR higher ups who have authority to make decisions are willing to release shit product because they are either too lazy or too greedy to hire someone who get the job done properly. Some anime producers will be very picky about how their anime is released overseas, just look at what happened with NGE. It's very possible that the anime producers contracted this JP company to translate their show, and then gave that translation to CR. Bro, that's not really a hill to die on. They had decision-making authority, they decided to release this garbage. When a company has basically a monopoly in the field, with only a scarce competition, then they feel entitled to pull off stunt like this. Trying to imply that they somehow were forced to do this and fell sorry for disappointing their fans is straight up delusional. |
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| AI is being used because the translating industry in anime and manga is filled to the brim with bad actors, get used to it, because said bad actors wouldn't stop mucking up the translations. |
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| This is fucking horrible. I have previously made a thread about bad AI manga translations on the main anime discussion forum and will repeat my stance: AI should not replace humans in a field like language translation as MTL is fucking horrible quality, prone to mistakes that humans wouldn't make, and often makes a stiffer translation that doesn't flow as naturally. These greedy corporations have the money to actually pay real translators but instead we get this trash. Professional translators are one of the most important jobs when bringing over foreign media to different countries and this community treats them like absolute dogshit and with so many idiots wanting them to "be replaced by AI", here you fucking go. Here's the dogshit quality you get. Happy? Instead of a high-quality translation made by humans who have studied the Japanese language for years, we get a literally unwatchable level of quality made by some machine that can barely understand anything and just regurgitates what has been put into it leading to low quality slop. Generative AI is a cancer on both creative industries and the translation industry and its about time that translators unionize to stop companies from being allowed to do this shit. We also need to not watch this show through official means in order to hurt Crunchyroll and show them that using Generative AI to translate shows is not ok, so pirating the show is probably one of the best things you can do if you want to still watch it. DON'T SETTLE FOR LOW QUALITY AI SLOP, FIGHT FOR BETTER CONDITIONS FOR TRANSLATORS |
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The episode I watched earlier was AI translated to English and it wasn't bad. It's about time AI can understand a simple language like Japanese. Now hopefully they apply it to long VN games that take decades to translate.
| @DigitalApe Japanese is not a simple language at all. Iti s genuinely one of the more complex one, is very context sensitive, has a lot of Kanji with different readings depending on how it is used, has various nuances in first person pronouns that are used, and has a very distinct difference between casual and formal speech. AI has also shown genuine struggles understanding some of these things as shown with the Ablaze Manga translation of the manga "Jinba" which has a lot of grammar errors, characters having their names be butchered by an AI that doesn't understand the kanji it is reading, and just a complete lack of contextual awareness. Context is something that AI does not understand and is fundamentally important to the Japanese language, therefore it will cause a lot of issues if Machine Learning is used to translate instead of allowing a human who has studied for years to manually translate a work using their extensive knowledge of the langauge. |
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| It should be translated from Japanese to French. I have no problem with ai translations in general though if it is not pushing politics. Most of my exposure to machine translations comes from hentai games and English patched games. |
rohan121Jul 8, 1:44 PM
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Just one of the many reasons not to give money to Crunchyroll. They are not interested in making product, but making money.
| @Piromysl My man just discovered that companies need money to continue operating. |
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