Which character first comes to your mind on looking at this? Also do you think that how smart the characters can be in a series is limited to the author's IQ? |
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| All major characters from Death Note |
| I believe those characters can all be traced back to Kongming. |
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| The more you learn about the world of Bleach, the more stupid Aizen appears. "Hey Urahara, that Hyogoku thing you made, what does it actually do?" "I'm not quite sure yet actuall-" "Perfect! I'll make it the centerpiece of my plan to get my ass beat by the Zero Division!" |
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| Probably Asuka from Senran Kagura or Nep Nep from Hyperdimension Neptunia ;) |
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Zoro lol, he suppose to be smart from his looks but...rest is history
| @nirererin Zoro is regularly portrayed as a dumbass by the author, but never as exceptionally smart. Also wdym by "smart from his looks" ? He just looks handsome, not smart. |
ZarutakuJul 6, 2024 12:22 PM
I mean if its not Makishima  then I don't think there is a correct answer to this question. Like just walking around with a book and quoting philosophy ideas to make you seem less guilty isn't smart nor interesting |
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| The character that first came to my mind was the MC from Alice in Borderland manga...however the problem wasn't that he wasn't smart, it was that the author made everybody around him spectacularly dumb so his actually very normal observations seemed extraordinary. An actual answer for me would be Ayanokoji from Classroom of the Elite (LN...I haven't watched the anime so it might seem different I guess). The book tried to paint him as overly analytical and calculative when in reality a piece of tissue had more substance than him. |
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| Johan and griffith. everyone says theyre smart and theyre considered smart in universe and it's backed up by their rank/school they go to, but i dont see them actually do any big-brain moments in the show. |
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Zoro lol, he suppose to be smart from his looks but...rest is history
| @nirererin nah zoro is meant to be a muscle-brained idiot. even in the newer episodes he didnt even realize till later the correlation between King and the Seraphims. Luffy even figured it out before him |
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Kenzolo-folk said: Johan is less of a character than a narrative device and symbolic representation of humanity's potential for evil. The show doesn't delve into the specifics of his actions on purpose, it focuses on how he awakens the monster within each character he interacts with. The last scene when Johan is gone from the hospital, for instance, represents Tenma's overcoming of his own darkness but, simultaneously, that the potential for evil cannot be pinned down and eradicated. It will always persist within humanity as an elusive and unsettling force.Johan and griffith. everyone says theyre smart and theyre considered smart in universe and it's backed up by their rank/school they go to, but i dont see them actually do any big-brain moments in the show. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
Johan and griffith. everyone says theyre smart and theyre considered smart in universe and it's backed up by their rank/school they go to, but i dont see them actually do any big-brain moments in the show.
Johan is less of a character than a narrative device and symbolic representation of humanity's potential for evil. The show doesn't delve into the specifics of his actions on purpose, it focuses on how he awakens the monster within each character he interacts with. The last scene when Johan is gone from the hospital, for instance, represents Tenma's overcoming of his own darkness but, simultaneously, that the potential for evil cannot be pinned down and eradicated. It will always persist within humanity as an elusive and unsettling force.Johan and griffith. everyone says theyre smart and theyre considered smart in universe and it's backed up by their rank/school they go to, but i dont see them actually do any big-brain moments in the show.
| @Daconator yes brother i know lmao. but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it? It wouldve been interesting, at least for me. |
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Kenzolo-folk said: The point is depicting evil as a sharp and insidious force that exploits people's own weaknesses, and to lend credibility into Johan's ability to successfully manipulate those around him and enact his plans. The show revolves around the impact he has on others. I respect your preference but that also speaks of the intrigue you felt for the character, which was enhanced by his mystique.yes brother i know lmao. but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it? It wouldve been interesting, at least for me. |
DuckonatorJul 6, 2024 3:39 PM
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Kenzolo-folk said:
yes brother i know lmao. but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it? It wouldve been interesting, at least for me.
The point is depicting evil as a sharp and insidious force that exploits people's own weaknesses, and to lend credibility into Johan's ability to successfully manipulate those around him and enact his plans. The show revolves around the impact he has on others. I respect your preference but that also speaks of the intrigue you felt for the character, which was enhanced by his mystique.yes brother i know lmao. but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it? It wouldve been interesting, at least for me.
| @Daconator idk man, his "mystique" in full was just: blond pretty guy thats "smart" and barely talks. (mostly joking) Also there were moments where he had a lot of screentime, but they still didn't show much of his "smarts." |
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| Aizen from Bleach lol. Dude got outsmarted by Urahara. |
| Sung Jinwoo, but I'm not even sure if he's supposed to be smart in the first place. Maybe initially not, but after a few level ups yes. Anyway, that cursed "ending" will force me to watch the next season too, and I really hope they get to work on the characters already |
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Kenzolo-folk said: It seems you're grappling with the notion that Johan is meant to be more of a symbolic representation of evil than a fully fledged character. He's a force of nature and the enigma and mystique are deliberate not only as integral aspects of the idea of evil and the darkness within people, but also so the show focuses on the chaos that's caused around him.idk man, his "mystique" in full was just: blond pretty guy thats "smart" and barely talks. (mostly joking) Also there were moments where he had a lot of screentime, but they still didn't show much of his "smarts." |
| Deku from My Hero Academia. "Omg I broke my hands. What do I do?!?!?!?!?! I'm so weak, wah, I don't know what to do" "Why don't u just kick people?" "OMG YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING GENIUS!!! I'LL CALL IT MY BLACK AIR FORCE MODE!!!! OMG I'M SO STRONG NOW!!!!!!" what?  |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
idk man, his "mystique" in full was just: blond pretty guy thats "smart" and barely talks. (mostly joking)
Also there were moments where he had a lot of screentime, but they still didn't show much of his "smarts."
It seems you're grappling with the notion that Johan is meant to be more of a symbolic representation of evil than a fully fledged character. He's a force of nature and the enigma and mystique are deliberate not only as integral aspects of the idea of evil and the darkness within people, but also so the show focuses on the chaos that's caused around him.idk man, his "mystique" in full was just: blond pretty guy thats "smart" and barely talks. (mostly joking)
Also there were moments where he had a lot of screentime, but they still didn't show much of his "smarts."
| @Daconator Daconator said: It seems you're grappling with the notion that Johan is meant to be more of a symbolic representation of evil than a fully fledged character. Im not saying that, you did: Daconator said: Johan is less of a character than a narrative device and symbolic representation of humanity's potential for evil. Unless by grappling you mean that I am struggling to understand the notion. Lmao. I know the point of Johans character, I'm just saying for a guy thats brought up to be such an charismatic, enigmatic prodigy, there weren't any times where I genuinely believed that. I just kept going with the narrative the story was pushing. Monster is still goated btw, i love it. There's just better/smarter villians than Johan. |
Kenzolo-folkJul 6, 2024 4:05 PM
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| Lelouch Lamperouge. Dude could've Geassed every soldier, cop, public servant and government official to do his bidding permanently but elected to play WW3 in the streets with the military because he likes chess? Is espionage a word that doesn't exist in this world? |
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Kenzolo-folk said: I've said it and explained it, but I'm not the one grappling with it. What's the confusion here? It doesn't matter, anyway. I've already gone over this and, I'm afraid any further effort will be redudant. I'm happy you've enjoyed Monster despite your gripes and view on Johan.Im not saying that, you did Lmao. I know the point of Johans character, I'm just saying for a guy thats brought up to be such an charismatic, enigmatic prodigy, there weren't any times where I genuinely believed that. I just kept going with the narrative the story was pushing. Monster is still goated btw, i love it. There's just better/smarter villians than Johan. |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
Im not saying that, you did
Lmao.
I know the point of Johans character, I'm just saying for a guy thats brought up to be such an charismatic, enigmatic prodigy, there weren't any times where I genuinely believed that. I just kept going with the narrative the story was pushing. Monster is still goated btw, i love it. There's just better/smarter villians than Johan.
I've said it and explained it, but I'm not the one grappling with it. What's the confusion here? It doesn't matter, anyway. I've already gone over this and, I'm afraid any further effort will be redudant. I'm happy you've enjoyed Monster despite your gripes and view on Johan.Im not saying that, you did
Lmao.
I know the point of Johans character, I'm just saying for a guy thats brought up to be such an charismatic, enigmatic prodigy, there weren't any times where I genuinely believed that. I just kept going with the narrative the story was pushing. Monster is still goated btw, i love it. There's just better/smarter villians than Johan.
| @Daconator Im just confused on whether ur trying to say Johan should just be treated as a symbolic representation of evil or an actual character. I think its kinda unfair to just think the dude doesn't have any "human" qualities, and he's just supposed to be used as symbolism. I really dont think his purpose was just to be the representation of evil. |
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^sounds like you speak from experience bro
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Ayanokouji from Classroom of the Elite.
Every character in Classroom of the Elite is stupid, but Ayanokouji bugs me the most. His above-average-retard intelligence level is written like he's some sort of genius because everyone around him is dumbed down to make him look good.
Every character in Classroom of the Elite is stupid, but Ayanokouji bugs me the most. His above-average-retard intelligence level is written like he's some sort of genius because everyone around him is dumbed down to make him look good.
| @i-like-this Pretty much agree with this. I don't even get how he's smart |
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The character that first came to my mind was the MC from Alice in Borderland manga...however the problem wasn't that he wasn't smart, it was that the author made everybody around him spectacularly dumb so his actually very normal observations seemed extraordinary.
An actual answer for me would be Ayanokoji from Classroom of the Elite (LN...I haven't watched the anime so it might seem different I guess). The book tried to paint him as overly analytical and calculative when in reality a piece of tissue had more substance than him.
An actual answer for me would be Ayanokoji from Classroom of the Elite (LN...I haven't watched the anime so it might seem different I guess). The book tried to paint him as overly analytical and calculative when in reality a piece of tissue had more substance than him.
Merra_ said: The character that first came to my mind was the MC from Alice in Borderland manga...however the problem wasn't that he wasn't smart, it was that the author made everybody around him spectacularly dumb so his actually very normal observations seemed extraordinary. I don't think he's supposed to be smart. He's supposed to be relatable. |
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This might be a hot take but please do not get offended (this is my opinion on how the anime displayed it)
His name is...
Osamu Dazai
His name is...
Osamu Dazai
| @Orimyamime I would describe his books the same way. |
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| The only correct answer is Lelouch Lamperouge |
Kenzolo-folk said: "why SHOULD they show it?" would be the question. At this point that's just a wish list rather than a criticism. I mean you yourself have admitted that that's not the real point of his character.but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it? |
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Kenzolo-folk said:
but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it?
"why SHOULD they show it?" would be the question. At this point that's just a wish list rather than a criticism. I mean you yourself have admitted that that's not the real point of his character.but whats the point of the characters gushing about how much of a genius he is if they don't dedicate a moment to showing it?
| @TRC_Randy yeah cuz i would rather be shown something rather than just told it. if theyre gonna bother to say hes charismatic prodigy i want to actually believe it. Johan moments were just him rizzing up people for no reason-- people were just manipulated by anything he said just because the plot decided it to be that way. actually hearing what he was saying it was just a bunch of edgy shit that no one in real life would fall for.  Like who is actually taking this seriously irl?? I'm not saying anime has to be realistic, but for a psychological thriller/mystery it at least should be enough to suspend your disbelief. Compared to someone like Askeladd who was an actual smart manipulator, and you can definitely imagine someone being loyal to him based on what he says. |
Kenzolo-folkJul 6, 2024 10:22 PM
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| Idk why people are considering a character making 1 or 2 mistakes to be an indicator of their low intelligence. Humans all make mistakes no matter how intelligent they may be. |
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@DesuMaiden Was Asuka supposed to be smart? I thought Ikaruga was the smart one on the team
| @Steve_Meave i agree. Ikaruga is the smart one in Senran Kagura. |
Estefan said: unaware of the compulsory health insurance in Japan. But they have to go to America for surgery, because no one in Japan is good enough. That also was a thing in Meitantei Conan.   As far as the topic goes, most characters that are supposed to be smart are like that. It's rare to find geniuses that are written in a believable way, but then 90% of everything is crap anyway. I don't really mind characters not being as smart as they are supposed to be. Anyone can be a dumbass some time. Doesn't take me out of the story. |
| Murata Ken from Kyo Kara Maoh, he's supposed to be the reincarnation of the super knowledgeable Great Sage and has memories of all his past lives from 4000 years but acts pretty dumb. Specially the so called battle of wits between him and Sara in the manga was laughably bad, goes to show that dumb authors can't write smart characters. |
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