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Jun 22, 2024 12:33 PM

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My first visual novel from Japanese developers is School Days. I want to go through all 20+ endings and then watch the anime adaptation. I think it will be an interesting experience. I also have plans for Clannad and Euphoria (this is violence and porn)
Jun 22, 2024 9:45 PM

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My first visual novel from Japanese developers is School Days. I want to go through all 20+ endings and then watch the anime adaptation. I think it will be an interesting experience. I also have plans for Clannad and Euphoria (this is violence and porn)
@Swyzen I wish you so much luck with School Days, even with a guide, trying to get through everything can be a pain, that game is a little janky, lol. I gave up, and moved onto Shiny days instead, it was a little more polished.

Euphoria was... a trip.
Jun 23, 2024 3:46 AM

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Hanachirasu was crazy and wild for such a short work

Jun 23, 2024 7:20 AM

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@Swyzen I wish you so much luck with School Days, even with a guide, trying to get through everything can be a pain, that game is a little janky, lol. I gave up, and moved onto Shiny days instead, it was a little more polished.

Euphoria was... a trip.
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I wish you so much luck with School Days, even with a guide, trying to get through everything can be a pain, that game is a little janky, lol. I gave up, and moved onto Shiny days instead, it was a little more polished.

In fact, it is enough to make saves in the right places and then you will not have to go through other paths from the very beginning. Anyway, Shiny days is on my VNDB wish list. Thanks for the answer!
Jun 23, 2024 7:33 AM

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@Swyzen I wish you so much luck with School Days, even with a guide, trying to get through everything can be a pain, that game is a little janky, lol. I gave up, and moved onto Shiny days instead, it was a little more polished.

Euphoria was... a trip.
@Jackson1333 40 endings for Summer Days... Damn, does anyone actually complete them all?
Jun 23, 2024 8:02 AM

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I've seen some Fate videos and I watched playthroughs of Katawa Shoujo and Saya no Uta, but only played and watched Danganronpa.

Besides Xenogears and perhaps the Suikoden VN, I don't really care for that medium.
Jun 23, 2024 9:34 AM

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For now I've only played the Type moon vns but I will try to play more of them this summer. Tsukihime Remake is my favorite
Jun 23, 2024 9:55 AM
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I love visual novels. The ones I've enjoyed the most: Higurashi, Clannad, Corpse Party (not strictly a VN, I know, but it borders) and Narcissu. I've read more but they're the ones that have really stayed in my mind.
Jun 23, 2024 11:46 AM
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I like and have played through a nice amount of visual novels and the most recent ones I have played through were ef - the first tale and the latter tale both were pretty good. Currently playing through Kanon the new english version that was just released.
Jun 23, 2024 2:31 PM

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Swyzen said:
In fact, it is enough to make saves in the right places and then you will not have to go through other paths from the very beginning.

I suppose if you are ONLY trying to get all the endings, it's not too bad, it's trying to completely fill out the flow chart that things become a problem.

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40 endings for Summer Days... Damn, does anyone actually complete them all?

I mean, in School days, Makoto basically has two options, Kotonoha, and Sekai, sure there are a couple others he can hook up with on the side, but it's many just those two. In Shiny Days (which is a alternate version, not a sequel) Makoto hooks up with literally every other girl in the series but Kotonoha and Sekai, lol. Their moms, their little sisters, his other classmates, his other classmates' little sisters, His other classmates' little sisters' friends, some random chick that just shows up one day... The only one who is safe is his own little sister, he may be a degenerate, but at least he draws the line somewhere, lol. so yeah, I can see there being 40 endings.

I haven't seen them all, I couldn't even find a guide that showed you how to get them all, so I'm not even sure if anyone has seen them all. And the guides I could find were super janky as well. I would think I was following one guide to get a spefific ending, then suddenly a question would pop up that wasn't in the guide, or it would suddenly skip questions that were supposed to come up, and I never knew what the heck was going on. So good luck trying to figure that one out.

These games have the most convoluted flow chart systems in any game I've ever seen. It's not as simple as just going to the point before a split and picking a different option, sometimes you have to go way back several points, but hell If I could ever figure out what I did wrong, lol. This is one of those games that I don't try to 100% before moving on, like I would with most VN's. I play a route, then take a break for a few months, and when I'm in the mood, I come back, and play again, and hope I make enough different choices to get another ending. I doubt I will ever manage to 100% this monster.
Jun 24, 2024 1:59 AM

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Swyzen said:
In fact, it is enough to make saves in the right places and then you will not have to go through other paths from the very beginning.

I suppose if you are ONLY trying to get all the endings, it's not too bad, it's trying to completely fill out the flow chart that things become a problem.

Swyzen said:
40 endings for Summer Days... Damn, does anyone actually complete them all?

I mean, in School days, Makoto basically has two options, Kotonoha, and Sekai, sure there are a couple others he can hook up with on the side, but it's many just those two. In Shiny Days (which is a alternate version, not a sequel) Makoto hooks up with literally every other girl in the series but Kotonoha and Sekai, lol. Their moms, their little sisters, his other classmates, his other classmates' little sisters, His other classmates' little sisters' friends, some random chick that just shows up one day... The only one who is safe is his own little sister, he may be a degenerate, but at least he draws the line somewhere, lol. so yeah, I can see there being 40 endings.

I haven't seen them all, I couldn't even find a guide that showed you how to get them all, so I'm not even sure if anyone has seen them all. And the guides I could find were super janky as well. I would think I was following one guide to get a spefific ending, then suddenly a question would pop up that wasn't in the guide, or it would suddenly skip questions that were supposed to come up, and I never knew what the heck was going on. So good luck trying to figure that one out.

These games have the most convoluted flow chart systems in any game I've ever seen. It's not as simple as just going to the point before a split and picking a different option, sometimes you have to go way back several points, but hell If I could ever figure out what I did wrong, lol. This is one of those games that I don't try to 100% before moving on, like I would with most VN's. I play a route, then take a break for a few months, and when I'm in the mood, I come back, and play again, and hope I make enough different choices to get another ending. I doubt I will ever manage to 100% this monster.
@Jackson1333 You're right, without the right guide, these games are very difficult to understand. I offer you the scheme by which I go through School Days. It's in Russian, but you can translate it
Yes, I will also attach a guide for completing Summer Days...
https://www.pyatnicyn.ru/article/prokhozhdenie-letnikh-dnei-shiny-days
https://vk.com/doc-941626_272977291?hash=Hb2yeWHcSCs64AflCcvbWSgEeFLFh2NQ91miPe8Cgbo&dl=RvZZepMS4bHjkvPOhRUz525kkjSS3YZTQGK6lsPIgCz
Jun 26, 2024 8:51 AM
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My first Visual novel was Inkey University it was 10 years ago, and its a VN made in my country, it was truly a bad start, i didn't knew at that time about saves or something like that and this VN was like shuffle, many decisions can make you get one of many bad endings, i was truly enraged and never finished the game.

The second one i think it was "My girfriend is the president" or "Oppai Sensou - Kyonyuu VS Hinnyuu -" i don't remember for sure, but it was then that made me like Visual novels, well oppai sensou was truly for the horny i won't deny hahaha, and the first one is a great comedy i think.

Then i started playing games like grisaia, maijikoi (the most funny VN that i ever played), dracu riot, and now i have played more than 200 i think.

My favourite one is Rewrite.
Jun 26, 2024 9:36 AM

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Btw I rarely read Visual Novels. I mostly watch anime television shows.
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Here is my blog....

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Jun 26, 2024 10:19 AM

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VNs are interesting, I quite like them but they're so time consuming so I don't play that much.

Started with Little Busters in 2011 I believe, the fan translation was still ongoing then. I got into it because I was really into Key anime like Clanand, Kanon, Angel Beats! etc. I played it with my sister and it made us want to make our own VN since we both like drawing. She actually learned the system(?) to make VNs. We never really finish anything in the end, but I got into some other VNs after that like Ef which anime I really liked but realized that the VN was 1000x better. Also got into G-senjou no Maou and I agree it's a good entry point to get into VN... back then. This was my first VN "phase" before moving on into other interests (again) and come back reading VNs during the pandemic. Again, started with a Key work that I was curious about from a long time - Rewrite. That was the start of my second "phase", playing VNs back to back for a bit before moving into another interests. Right now I am not actively playing anything but I plan to get back into it.
Jul 3, 2024 6:53 PM

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Looking back through a lot of this thread, it seems like Key is a common factor for a lot of people. I wonder if there are any VN makers today with such influence?
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Jul 3, 2024 10:10 PM

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I've seen some Fate videos and I watched playthroughs of Katawa Shoujo and Saya no Uta, but only played and watched Danganronpa.

Besides Xenogears and perhaps the Suikoden VN, I don't really care for that medium.
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"xenogears and suikoden"
Imagine thinking those are VNs, lol.
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Jul 3, 2024 10:26 PM

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"xenogears and suikoden"
Imagine thinking those are VNs, lol.
@MichaelJackson Ok ok it might be a stretch to call Xenogears a vn but I call it that for how similar its cinematic part to the older vns, and I've been told there is a Suikoden VN, which is the one I'm referring to.
Jul 8, 2024 8:46 PM

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@Z6890 That one from 2021 looks really nice. Actually, I think I've already used one of its artworks when I made this picture of characters I like from various games (Fourth row, fifth column)
@Shizuna Ah Yes, Seiko Shinohara, the character that is the most unfortunate. :(

Have you considered buying it and playing it for yourself? I think you would be impressed. especially since you only played the RPG Maker version.

If the Steam version isn't your thing, then it is available for pretty much everything; if they could port it to your Smart TV, they would. ;p

They even released a physical version in the West for, of all systems, the Nintendo 3DS

Jul 8, 2024 9:11 PM

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euphoria. its so good that i couldn't play for more than 10 minutes. first scene was all that was needed for me to close it.

The end of an era. Thank you Wit, Mappa and Isayama.
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for me h scene is too long man but i feel if i skip then that makes me actually skipping content. do people take their time to read? cause it takes hours to reach ifdgdghgf
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@Z6890 Honestly, I'd rather read something new rather than re-read what I'm already familiar with. But thank you for the suggestion.
Aug 19, 2024 1:00 PM

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Decided to make three lists: top-10 VNs and favorite male/female VN characters.
Rank
Visual Novel
Man
Girl
1st
Soukou Akki Muramasa
Minato Kageaki
Mitsurugi Meiya
2nd
Muv-Luv
Rance
Hanai Mikazuki
3rd
Utawarerumono
Haku
Usami Haru
4th
Rance
Shirogane Takeru
Sonozaki Shion
5th
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
Kotomine Kirei
Ootori Kanae
6th
MUSICUS!
Kazami Yuuji
Muramasa Sansei
7th
G-senjou no Maou
Ushiromiya Kinzo
Saya
8th
Tokyo Necro
Ushiromiya Battler
Gijou Mitsumi
9th
Saya no Uta
Oshtor
Sakaki Yumiko
10th
Umineko no Naku Koro ni
Hakuoro
Beatrice
I wonder how these lists would look like for other people.
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I'd rather discuss JRPGs. Thats where my interest in anime began. Most visual novels are porn. Even the ones that arent explicit, its almost always about dating some girls.

The stories and characters of JRPGs tend to be way more classy than anything VNs have to offer. And they're actually fun to play.
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I'd rather discuss JRPGs. Thats where my interest in anime began. Most visual novels are porn. Even the ones that arent explicit, its almost always about dating some girls.

The stories and characters of JRPGs tend to be way more classy than anything VNs have to offer. And they're actually fun to play.
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By sheer coincidence, none of the Japanese games I recommended you in this thread are romance or porn. Or perhaps it's not a coincidence?

But RPGs are certainly more fun to play, or at least they're supposed to be. I don't expect something with gameplay to provide a comparable experience to something without gameplay.
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both visual novels and adventure games are commonly referred to as "visual novels" by international fans...
So I don't have time to sit around na play games, I'm sure its good.. But I can only enjoy gaming with others
Aug 19, 2024 10:11 PM

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In no particular order, because I always change my mind after the fact...

DeadΩAegis
Maitetsu - Last Run!!
Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward
Wonderful Everyday - Down the Rabbit-Hole
Girlish Grimoire Littlewitch Romanesque
Quartett!
The Grisaia Trilogy
Monobeno -Happy End-
Dohna Dohna ~ Let's Do Bad Things Together
Love, Elections, & Chocolate


As far as favorite characters, I'm going to have to think a little longer about that (especially the male characters) as there is a lot more to choose from, and some may not even come from my top 10 VNs.
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I've been wanting to get into VNs, are there any "essentials" you'd recommend for someone who's never played the genre before? I tend to like mystery or horror, in fact the only VN I've played currently is Higurashi.
Aug 20, 2024 7:27 AM

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I've been wanting to get into VNs, are there any "essentials" you'd recommend for someone who's never played the genre before? I tend to like mystery or horror, in fact the only VN I've played currently is Higurashi.
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Corpse Party is a horror essential.
Song of Saya and Umineko are extremely popular, though I think the former sucks.
Fata Morgana too is critically acclaimed albeit not horror.
Perhaps the Tsukihime remake, but I haven't played it yet.
I highly recommend Chaos;Head. It may not be as popular as Steins;Gate, but it has more of a horror bent.

Other popular mysteries are sci-fi rather than horror.
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Corpse Party is a horror essential.
Song of Saya and Umineko are extremely popular, though I think the former sucks.
Fata Morgana too is critically acclaimed albeit not horror.
Perhaps the Tsukihime remake, but I haven't played it yet.
I highly recommend Chaos;Head. It may not be as popular as Steins;Gate, but it has more of a horror bent.

Other popular mysteries are sci-fi rather than horror.
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Thank you so much! Definitely going to look into those, heard about Corpse Party and it seems interesting so I might start there :)
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I've been wanting to get into VNs, are there any "essentials" you'd recommend for someone who's never played the genre before? I tend to like mystery or horror, in fact the only VN I've played currently is Higurashi.
@CinnamonTwirls anything by "Key" tends to be considered an "essential". Personally I'd consider Steins;Gate worth a look at for just about anyone. Also, if you liked higurashi, you may as well look at the other "when they cry" VNs
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I've been wanting to get into VNs, are there any "essentials" you'd recommend for someone who's never played the genre before? I tend to like mystery or horror, in fact the only VN I've played currently is Higurashi.
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Id recommend the Danganronpa series, and The Nonary Games series, both are mysteries, and have some lite horror elements too them. And for someone who is new to VN's they have some gameplay elements, so it's not pure reading, which is what I find keeps most people away. These are a lot of peoples first experience with VN's. They were mine as well.

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Thank you so much! Definitely going to look into those, heard about Corpse Party and it seems interesting so I might start there :)

Just a warning about Song of Saya, this is originally an 18+ game, so there will be erotic scenes. I believe the steam version cuts them though, so if you don't enjoy graphic sex, then I would recommend the steam version. Though, the sex may still be referenced, I'm not sure, as I haven't played that version.

If however, you are fine with 18+ titles, then that does open up a lot of VN's to recommend.
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@CinnamonTwirls
Id recommend the Danganronpa series, and The Nonary Games series, both are mysteries, and have some lite horror elements too them. And for someone who is new to VN's they have some gameplay elements, so it's not pure reading, which is what I find keeps most people away. These are a lot of peoples first experience with VN's. They were mine as well.

CinnamonTwirls said:
Thank you so much! Definitely going to look into those, heard about Corpse Party and it seems interesting so I might start there :)

Just a warning about Song of Saya, this is originally an 18+ game, so there will be erotic scenes. I believe the steam version cuts them though, so if you don't enjoy graphic sex, then I would recommend the steam version. Though, the sex may still be referenced, I'm not sure, as I haven't played that version.

If however, you are fine with 18+ titles, then that does open up a lot of VN's to recommend.
@Jackson1333

Ooooo, I've been meaning to pick up Danganronpa and I played 999 on DS a while back but didn't manage to finish it...lost my copy of 999, curious if there's a PC port of The Nonary Games?

Also I'm totally fine with 18+ lol, definitely don't mind if there are erotic scenes!
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Ooooo, I've been meaning to pick up Danganronpa and I played 999 on DS a while back but didn't manage to finish it...lost my copy of 999, curious if there's a PC port of The Nonary Games?

Also I'm totally fine with 18+ lol, definitely don't mind if there are erotic scenes!
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curious if there's a PC port of The Nonary Games?
There is! It's on Steam and seems to have a pretty solid reception, so it wasn't a botched port.
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curious if there's a PC port of The Nonary Games?
There is! It's on Steam and seems to have a pretty solid reception, so it wasn't a botched port.
@Timeline_man OOO, definitely going straight on my buy list! Absolutely loved what I played of 999, so can't wait to finish it :)
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@Timeline_man OOO, definitely going straight on my buy list! Absolutely loved what I played of 999, so can't wait to finish it :)
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Infinity series used to be a fan favorite, but it's not talked about as much nowadays. I mention this because the Zero Escape writer worked on it; a lot of newer fans in fact got into Infinity through Zero Escape, myself included. I think Ever17 and Remember11 have far better stories than Virtue's Last Reward and Zero Time Dilemma!
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Only VN I played to the end (and also fully completed) was Yume Miru Kusuri. Thought it was fantastic though. That was quite a long time ago but I never forgot it.

Others I've played the prologues for: Kana ~Imouto~, Fate/Stay Night, ATRI -My Dear Moments-, Adabana Itan
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Only VN I played to the end (and also fully completed) was Yume Miru Kusuri. Thought it was fantastic though. That was quite a long time ago but I never forgot it.

Others I've played the prologues for: Kana ~Imouto~, Fate/Stay Night, ATRI -My Dear Moments-, Adabana Itan
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Your profile pic looks like a girl from Yume Miru Kusuri. But she's actually from Tonari no Seki-kun, right?
I notice 2 of those games you played were written by Romeo Tanaka. Have you watched any of his anime?
https://myanimelist.net/anime/10357/Jinrui_wa_Suitai_Shimashita
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Your profile pic looks like a girl from Yume Miru Kusuri. But she's actually from Tonari no Seki-kun, right?
I notice 2 of those games you played were written by Romeo Tanaka. Have you watched any of his anime?
https://myanimelist.net/anime/10357/Jinrui_wa_Suitai_Shimashita
@Lucifrost She really does; I never noticed that. Yes, that's correct.

I haven't watched them, but both Humanity Has Declined and Girls Beyond the Wasteland have been on my PTW for a while. Maybe I'll check out the one you linked next.
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Shizuna said:
what is your experience with visual novels?


I like the pairing of a heavily introspective story with emotive art and music. Like anime and JRPGs, the casts tend to be heroic and likeable which makes VNs attractive to read as opposed to a lot of Western dreck. The consistently biggest failing with VNs, however, is that they tend to be far too long winded. I am thinking of the Utawarerumono and Muv-Luv trilogies right now. Padded on both the macro and micro level. On the macro level, you have entire filler arcs that don't meaningfully contribute to the experience, and then on the micro level, the moment to moment experience of reading the VN is that you have a lot of repetitive dialogues. Ultimately Uta and Muv-Luv could have told their story in half the time and would have been better for it, not only better respecting my time but also tightening up the pacing and keeping the tension overall higher and thus keeping me more engaged. You would think that the expense of full Japanese voice acting would cause these VN writers to cut the fat, but that's not the case. That might be part of the reason why the VN industry is in the gutter right now. (Falcom games such as Trails also suffer from incredible bloat). Meanwhile, there are VNs with no voice acting such as World End Economica (written by Isuno Hasekura, the author of Spice & Wolf) which is very tight and has little padding.
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Shizuna said:
what is your experience with visual novels?


I like the pairing of a heavily introspective story with emotive art and music. Like anime and JRPGs, the casts tend to be heroic and likeable which makes VNs attractive to read as opposed to a lot of Western dreck. The consistently biggest failing with VNs, however, is that they tend to be far too long winded. I am thinking of the Utawarerumono and Muv-Luv trilogies right now. Padded on both the macro and micro level. On the macro level, you have entire filler arcs that don't meaningfully contribute to the experience, and then on the micro level, the moment to moment experience of reading the VN is that you have a lot of repetitive dialogues. Ultimately Uta and Muv-Luv could have told their story in half the time and would have been better for it, not only better respecting my time but also tightening up the pacing and keeping the tension overall higher and thus keeping me more engaged. You would think that the expense of full Japanese voice acting would cause these VN writers to cut the fat, but that's not the case. That might be part of the reason why the VN industry is in the gutter right now. (Falcom games such as Trails also suffer from incredible bloat). Meanwhile, there are VNs with no voice acting such as World End Economica (written by Isuno Hasekura, the author of Spice & Wolf) which is very tight and has little padding.
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I am thinking of the Utawarerumono and Muv-Luv trilogies right now. Padded on both the macro and micro level. On the macro level, you have entire filler arcs that don't meaningfully contribute to the experience, and then on the micro level, the moment to moment experience of reading the VN is that you have a lot of repetitive dialogues. Ultimately Uta and Muv-Luv could have told their story in half the time and would have been better for it, not only better respecting my time but also tightening up the pacing and keeping the tension overall higher and thus keeping me more engaged.

1st Utawarerumono is paced perfectly. VNDB says the 2nd and 3rd games are a combined 90 hours, however. That's INSANE! Why did the sequels need to be so much longer? And they have higher scores???
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I am thinking of the Utawarerumono and Muv-Luv trilogies right now. Padded on both the macro and micro level. On the macro level, you have entire filler arcs that don't meaningfully contribute to the experience, and then on the micro level, the moment to moment experience of reading the VN is that you have a lot of repetitive dialogues. Ultimately Uta and Muv-Luv could have told their story in half the time and would have been better for it, not only better respecting my time but also tightening up the pacing and keeping the tension overall higher and thus keeping me more engaged.

1st Utawarerumono is paced perfectly. VNDB says the 2nd and 3rd games are a combined 90 hours, however. That's INSANE! Why did the sequels need to be so much longer? And they have higher scores???
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1st Utawarerumono is paced perfectly. VNDB says the 2nd and 3rd games are a combined 90 hours, however. That's INSANE! Why did the sequels need to be so much longer? And they have higher scores???


First game peaks with the first arc and then the invasion arc, is boring until the invasion arc, and then is meh after that. Second game's story is 50 hours of slice of life fluff and doesn't become engaging until the last few hours. The beginning of the third game is very engaging running off of the narrative capital that the ending of #2 bought, but then squanders it, and then the last act is infuriating.

The ratings of sequels are always inflated as only diehard fans will tough it out through mediocrity to reach the sequel, meaning you have lots of high ratings but no low ratings as people who would have given low ratings don't make it that far. Same reason reason why MAL's top anime is biased towards sequel seasons such as Gintama, AoT, One Piece, Bleach, etc.
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@Valyrian1124 every second I spent in Muv-Luv, Utawarerumono and especially Kiseki was a treasure, and I wouldn't mind if they were even longer with more "filler", "padding" and whatnot.
Aug 22, 2024 10:08 AM
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I'd rather discuss JRPGs. Thats where my interest in anime began. Most visual novels are porn. Even the ones that arent explicit, its almost always about dating some girls.

The stories and characters of JRPGs tend to be way more classy than anything VNs have to offer. And they're actually fun to play.
@epidemia78 More like the other way around. VNs have better writing to me overall, at least with the ones I played.
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