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Jun 1, 2024 10:55 PM
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So, let's imagine that you are a smart and seasoned viewer, and you have something to suggest to the anime community to improve it. So, you start own blog with various publications, that include reviews for rare anime, description of your rating system (which you suggest to adopt to other reviewers as well) and so on.

Soon, you learn that your blog does not gather enough attention to make any impact, and everything you recommend and suggest to your readers influences a couple of dozens people, in the best case. To better understand the disappointing reality, there are even bloggers with hundreds of thousands and even millions of followers, none of whom have achieved it. Their recommendations are ignored by most people, and even those followers who listen to their suggestions are so tiny minority of their audience, there is very little they can do to promote the shows they've been suggested to watch.

Okay, imagine if you've managed to make something to be popular again, for example, with memes, like max0r did with Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. The problem is that the game was forgotten as soon as the hype has cooled off, and, of course, it couldn't become as popular as it was during its initial release. So, again, even in this rare case the impact would not be this huge, and also, to achieve it, you will have to invest your time into becoming a popular blogger, which may never even pay off. The very fact that some movies and video games were brought back to life with this method, but no anime in the history has ever been rehabilitated this way suggests that there may be a reason why it does not work with anime, which is why there were no cases of some unlucky anime suddenly getting a critical reappraisal, like Lynch's Fire Walk With Me (1992).

I've met enough people who, apparently, made the same conclusion as me - that it is not worth spending their time on these attempts. They retired, and all their blogs and YouTube channels have never made any new content for years.

So, why do some people still try to give something back to the community if it does not make any sense, excluding banal intellectual nearsightedness when they can't even see that it is absolutely unproductive? Is there a seed of common sense in their actions that I am unable to see?

The answer "even if you can influence only some people, you still make the world better" does not count as a valid suggestion. Just some people are not enough to try for.

Jun 2, 2024 1:42 AM
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I don't care much about influencing other people, I'm not an activist.

I just wanna write a little instead of only watching/reading.
Jun 2, 2024 1:49 AM
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I dunno I just like talking about things.

My smol and humble youtube channel is dedicated to me talking about my interests. Some watch, many don't. It's a project.



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Jun 2, 2024 2:11 AM
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I don't really like vlogs or anitubers. I'd say my main influence for choosing animanga is from going to the manga store and looking directly at manga, seeing animanga pictures or videos on different websites and sometimes looking at other people's list on MAL. I almost never get into something because of one specific recommendation though I might get into something if I see many people modestly recommending it on a forum.
Jun 2, 2024 2:16 AM
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  • The potential for creating impactful memes or viral content always exists. Even if it doesn't lead to a long-term resurgence, it can still introduce new audiences to older or overlooked anime, sparking renewed interest and discussions.
  • Contributing to the anime community isn't just about numbers. It's also about adding to the cultural conversation, preserving anime history, and providing alternative perspectives. This can enrich the community and provide resources for future fans.
  • High-quality analysis and recommendations can have a lasting impact on those who do find it, potentially inspiring them to create their own content or to spread the word further.
Jun 2, 2024 2:19 AM
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I've come to realise with quite a few different things (including Anime), that my tastes and likes are quite different from others, and I don't go along with trends.
But I'm also not dedicated/passionate enough to want to spread the word on what I like, or want others to check out (plus I'd probably have to rewatch it multiple times or take down notes, as I have memory problems).
The most I do is write something in my tags that may or not have reasons for others to check out the Anime.
Jun 2, 2024 2:50 AM
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LoveYourSmile said:
Because they do that for themselves. Otherwise, they are delusional.
Yes, I absolutely agree with you here. The process and not just the results should be the focus. For example, it feels better if you enjoy the journey rather than just the outcome

Another thing to add would be that it also depends on the audience: 1 or 2 very close people who enjoy the suggestions feels way more worthwhile to me than having 100s of 1000s of people I have absolutely no relation to being influenced positively by me
Jun 2, 2024 4:02 AM
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Hmm, apparently, there are no actually solid reasons, and I will have to use a different strategy to try to promote something I like.
Jun 2, 2024 4:33 AM
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I disagree with you entirely I am an anime blogger myself. I run an anime blog called The Huge Anime Fan and thanks to my anime blogging that has helped to blow up TK from Ling tosite sigure a lot.

In addition, I blogged about the My Youth Romantic Comedy is Wrong As I Expected. anime series and that got a Season 3 not that long ago. I spoke up about my love for the Bleach anime and somehow that returned after years. Then there was the Haikyu!! anime series that I was one of the first few anime bloggers covering it when it first came out years ago and look at it today blew up. I can go on.

But regardless if fans talk online I think every little bit helps to drum up interest for a series and or really any interest not just anime to bring visibility. It is when we stay silent about something that I notice it is like it does not exist. I think for a lot of people it is the case if there is no talk about something whether online or offline then it is like it does not exist or at least it is out of mind.

I also wonder what you mean that all anime bloggers do not get much in the way of traffic. My latest posts have likes, comments, and I have several blog pieces that have garnered 2.2K views or 1.1K views. Still my mentality has always been I do not expect people will read my stuff but if they do I am very grateful and surprised if they do.

It is important to keep in mind that not everything you publish will do well with blog readers. Some blog content will do better than others. You need to remember to cover topics that appeal to people otherwise I doubt they would read your anime blog and besides that your writing has to be good. I think there are a lot of anime blogs but in my experience a lot of poorly written content.
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Jun 2, 2024 9:21 AM

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I mostly post here to share my opinion on various subjects. Not just on anime. But other topics, too. Like politics, philosophy and science.
Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings.....

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
Jun 2, 2024 4:04 PM
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I disagree with you entirely I am an anime blogger myself. I run an anime blog called The Huge Anime Fan and thanks to my anime blogging that has helped to blow up TK from Ling tosite sigure a lot.

In addition, I blogged about the My Youth Romantic Comedy is Wrong As I Expected. anime series and that got a Season 3 not that long ago. I spoke up about my love for the Bleach anime and somehow that returned after years. Then there was the Haikyu!! anime series that I was one of the first few anime bloggers covering it when it first came out years ago and look at it today blew up. I can go on.

But regardless if fans talk online I think every little bit helps to drum up interest for a series and or really any interest not just anime to bring visibility. It is when we stay silent about something that I notice it is like it does not exist. I think for a lot of people it is the case if there is no talk about something whether online or offline then it is like it does not exist or at least it is out of mind.

I also wonder what you mean that all anime bloggers do not get much in the way of traffic. My latest posts have likes, comments, and I have several blog pieces that have garnered 2.2K views or 1.1K views. Still my mentality has always been I do not expect people will read my stuff but if they do I am very grateful and surprised if they do.

It is important to keep in mind that not everything you publish will do well with blog readers. Some blog content will do better than others. You need to remember to cover topics that appeal to people otherwise I doubt they would read your anime blog and besides that your writing has to be good. I think there are a lot of anime blogs but in my experience a lot of poorly written content.
@thehugeanifan

In addition, I blogged about the My Youth Romantic Comedy is Wrong As I Expected. anime series and that got a Season 3 not that long ago. I spoke up about my love for the Bleach anime and somehow that returned after years. Then there was the Haikyu!! anime series that I was one of the first few anime bloggers covering it when it first came out years ago and look at it today blew up. I can go on.


It is more likely that your blogging has simply reflected the growing popularity of these anime instead of actually helping them grow.
Jun 3, 2024 2:45 AM

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I think expecting something in return is the wrong way to approach it. If you do it in the beginning just out of pure enjoyment for producing it and eventually start gaining any traction that's a big positive. There's so many of those youtube/social media graveyards that have contributed a lot to the community.
Jun 3, 2024 3:23 AM

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"Exposition, criticism, appreciation, is work for second-rate minds." G. H. Hardy, A Mathematician's Apology.

Who cares about "reaction videos" (I was just looking for an opening, please protect me from this kind of evil content, Algorithm-sama) and opinions of basement dwellers whose knowledge in the fine arts is nil? People who have received a decent education simply know what is good (they have the natural ability—ingenium—to find it, as one has the natural ability to discern the truth from falsehood), and if writers may write poetry and critiques on the work of others, they consider that their ideal readers will find their observations natural if not obvious. For he taught them as one having authority.
Jun 3, 2024 3:51 AM

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Making reviews, whether written or optical form. You must understand, you make reviews to save yourself time. Time to invest it on other stuff, new stuff. Someone wanna know your thoughts on X something? Tell them to check your review on X something in a link you provide. You don’t like to repeat yourself. You have other stuff to work on. Don’t wait. Move on to something new, and so on.
Jun 3, 2024 6:25 AM
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Getting to a certain point where you ask yourself why you do what you do is normal, especially when you are disappointed, it means that you had expectations that were not met.
A thousand people can do the same thing and have a thousand different reasons.
There is a guy that does that just for pass the time and he's fine without having a single view.
"even if you can influence only some people, you still make the world better" the greater is your expectation the greater is the risk to be disappointed.
Jun 3, 2024 6:47 AM
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It's still great to share ideas in the virtual world.
Jun 3, 2024 9:45 AM

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Nobody said you are spreading bad karma by NOT posting reviews/ratings. Who said you cannot enjoy a show without actually rating it?

I don't rate most shows I watch. Am I spreading bad karma by doing that? I don't think so. I think it is better to not rate a show rather than spreading bad ratings/ reviews about it.
Here is my Pixiv account of my hentai drawings.....

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/104739065

Here is my blog....

https://theendofindustrialcivilization.blogspot.com/?m=1
Jun 3, 2024 10:58 AM
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Since its better than jump to pick off conclusion in order to justify ur value right ? I cant deny that write essay n long statement are dumbest way to attract attention op in this 2020+ since blog really outdated even started when early 2010 but i just wanna say they should upgrade their methods in order to persuade young people like make tiktok, short, etc otherwise u only keep ur old fans who known internet since 2000s but gain very little audience for people who borned in early 2000+ instead



Jun 3, 2024 11:42 AM

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I think you are missing the point of those mainly hobbies: enjoy it. It is kind of hard because we are full of people that earns millions on just playing in front of a camera, but by following the same logic in the begining, people wouldnt play because they are not having any tangible return besides just have fun.

If we go to the start of social media (blogs, forums like this, eve youtube) it was fun just to share stuff, making a funny comment or simple connecting with people reading similar opinion on stuff you enjoy. I think this is kind of lost in the current situation of e-celebraties, i mean who wouldnt want to be one?

As an example, Im not only here I also post a lot of shit of X/twitter, sent memes to discord or just share my (for now i hope) crappy draws, and are mostly not seing by the internet besides some couple of guys I meet down the road. And I dont care that the return are not only minimal, they are negative. I should have spent that time on something "productive", but I enjoy doing it, and I will keep doing it.
Jun 3, 2024 6:04 PM

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No one wants to be preached to by yet another tedious elitist with their head stuck up their ass...especially one with less than 300 episodes on their list.

If you want positive attention, you're going to have to earn it...and you certainly will not do so by insulting the intelligence of your target audience, making the puerile decision to inform everyone with different taste than yours that their taste is bad, and lambasting anime you haven't even seen... Too many people need to learn that their subjective opinions are not objective facts.

Nonetheless, I applaud your effort to promote a lesser-known series you admire. For what it's worth, I plan on watching it sooner rather than later as a result of your propaganda campaign. But I really think you would reach a more favorable outcome if you would at least try to avoid being so condescending.

As for what one should expect from interacting with fanbases in general...let's just say I tend to favor conversing on a private basis. For me, it's much more meaningful to recommend things to a closer friend and get their feedback than to go down the influencer route.
Jun 3, 2024 6:30 PM
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PostMahouShoujo said:
So, why do some people still try to give something back to the community if it does not make any sense, excluding banal intellectual nearsightedness when they can't even see that it is absolutely unproductive? Is there a seed of common sense in their actions that I am unable to see?


I think one of the hardest things to do these days is try to divorce ourselves from the actual results of our action. After all, why create art if no one else will see or appreciate it? Why do anything good or noble, be it picking up litter or even common courtesies if the end result is negligible? I think the best way to view things such as blogs and essays is to view them as art, expressions of your being that you have made for your own satisfaction.

So many children want to be influencers these days, but this is putting the cart before the horse; to be able to influence people is to essentially want power, and people who vie for power as an end in itself are the least likely to be able to exercise it responsibly. In a way, I suppose this sort of thinking could be considered a bit pretentious. Does our advocating for an anime we like really count as making the world a "better" place, at least in the traditional sense?

I personally would not go that far to characterize it as such. You write because you like writing. You blog because you like blogging, not to become some influencer.

The very fact that some movies and video games were brought back to life with this method, but no anime in the history has ever been rehabilitated this way suggests that there may be a reason why it does not work with anime, which is why there were no cases of some unlucky anime suddenly getting a critical reappraisal, like Lynch's Fire Walk With Me (1992).


I think the anime community lack that cultural elite that prides itself on its knowledge of obscure or sophisticated work unknown to the casual fan or cinemagoer. Works like Fire Walk With Me are known to cinephiles, not the average joe, and will likely never achieve that level of fame afforded to the more digestible and accessible Star Wars. I personally find the idea of establishing such an elite laughable, at least for anime.

I think this is a bit of a self-defeating mindset Post. Of course we all think we have something worth saying, but to posture our thoughts and writing as especially deserving of recognition is too egotistical; when we fail to get that recognition, we become despondent, we despair, we quit. What you write is worth writing for its own sake, and neither I or anyone else I argue could justify or invalidate its worth in that sense.

I hope like with anything, you recognize that the worth of what you write is independent of the recognition it garners, much like Fire Walk With Me,
Jun 3, 2024 8:57 PM
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Contribute because you like what you are doing.
Jun 5, 2024 11:02 PM

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LoveYourSmile said:
Meusnier said:
People who have received a decent education simply know what is good

Ah really? Sad for van Gogh and Gauguin people were so "uneducated" back in the days.

Unfortunately for you, this is not the gotcha moment that you were expecting. It should not be a surprise to see that the bourgeois is always wrong (just read Baudelaire's Salon de 1859), but in every generation, there are always a few people who can immediately see the value of the great new artists. It is well known that the average person prefers chromos over Impressionists... Or that most people in Nazi Germany were persuaded that the 1937 Degenerate Art exhibition was only displaying third-rate painters. In 1913, only a selected happy few had understood the lasting importance of Du côté de chez Swann, and the people from Proust's generation had no idea about his genius (they thought very little of him, exactly as if they were themselves nothing more than gens du monde). The same phenomenon repeats every generation, and the bourgeois only pretends to like what was declared good by the men of taste of the previous generation.
Jun 13, 2024 2:10 AM

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LoveYourSmile said:
Meusnier said:
Unfortunately for you, this is not the gotcha moment that you were expecting.


You take it too personal.

One counterexample is still a counterexample. You said that educated people are a priori able to see the true beauty of creations. I gave a couple of examples of artists who were incomprehensible in their time to educated society. In my opinion, my position here is stronger. Your lengthy discussions about the bourgeois in no way support your delusion that a good education provides an understanding of the divine nature of art.

Nevertheless, I'm too lazy to argue - I'd rather spend this time discussing the fangs of hentai girls.

Spare me your "you mad bro" please.

But it is not even a counterexample! A few people amongst the rare ones who knew about the work of those painters, did recognise the value of their work. Some obscure people were never recognised during their life, and those anomalies only show that no matter how hard you try, you will not get to know about the work of every interesting artist out there. Educated society≠educated people, and when I spoke about educated people (in my definition), it should have been obvious that I had not in mind the average person who went to school or university... If you wrote a PhD thesis on the number of commas in Proust's novels, you have yet to show your value as a critique. Except that I have never stated that a good education makes you a good art critique, for the real connoisseurs are an elite that cannot be artificially inflated. For Picasso, the number of painting connoisseurs could be counted on the fingers of two hands...

What a weird way to claim victory...

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