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Apr 14, 5:37 PM

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Scott has been added to AniDB:

https://anidb.net/anime/18283
So MAL is the only anime website that still doesn’t have this?
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So MAL is the only anime website that still doesn’t have this?
@Old_School_Akira Yes. Trying to add it again now that's in on AniDB.
Apr 16, 7:27 AM
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@Old_School_Akira Yes. Trying to add it again now that's in on AniDB.
@ukloim Anidb is garbage and was outdated before it ever spawned into existence. Stop trying to poison the blood of the fandom with Scott Pilgrim of all misbegotten franchises.
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@ukloim Anidb is garbage and was outdated before it ever spawned into existence. Stop trying to poison the blood of the fandom with Scott Pilgrim of all misbegotten franchises.
@DarkSageRK
I've had it with your nonsense. Yes, it doesn't really matter that AniDB added the entry for the purposes of MAL (they have other things not on MAL, and don't allow some things MAL does), but the point is that they laid out exactly why they decided to add it and MAL could benefit from reviewing this and reconsidering their decision.
Apr 18, 6:51 PM

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Could someone msg an admin to get it added?
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Apr 20, 1:12 PM
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@ukloim Anidb is garbage and was outdated before it ever spawned into existence. Stop trying to poison the blood of the fandom with Scott Pilgrim of all misbegotten franchises.
@DarkSageRK

Absolutely not the truth. Anidb determines what is even allowed on the cat site (it's already up on there too). Only a matter of time before it's added here too.
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Denied once again.

https://imgur.com/a/DAXwNvM
May 8, 8:27 AM

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Denied once again.

https://imgur.com/a/DAXwNvM
@ukloim what? Then how is Star Wars visions, Afro Samurai and Ninja Kamui here?
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May 8, 9:30 AM

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lol well at least nyaa torrents and anidb has it now
May 11, 4:30 PM

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MAL made such a show of their choice to deny it that it would be quite embarrassing to change their minds

May 15, 5:31 PM

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heres a recent article with even more tidbits proving that science saru had a collaborative role, since this is still somehow up for debate lol
https://www.awn.com/animationworld/designing-anime-style-animation-scott-pilgrim-takes
May 17, 8:34 PM
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This has to be someone's personal vendetta against the series at this point to go against AniDB.
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This has to be someone's personal vendetta against the series at this point to go against AniDB.
@YoshiYogurt for sure, probably someone hates ramona or something because i can't understand their excuses
Jun 6, 5:20 PM

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This got added somehow but not Scott?

https://myanimelist.net/anime/59005/
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This got added somehow but not Scott?

https://myanimelist.net/anime/59005/
@Old_School_Akira Lmao - this site is garbage.
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This got added somehow but not Scott?

https://myanimelist.net/anime/59005/
@Old_School_Akira

I'm not quite sure it's a 1:1 comparison.
a) Original source never mattered.
b) The director was never the issue, as both work for Japanese companies.
c) The two producers listed here are Taiki Sakurai (Japanese) and Justin Leach (employed by a Japanese company).
So there is really nothing to debate about Leviathan.

The reason for Scott Pilgirms's denial is:
"Joint animated work where only animation is completed by a Japanese company with a western creative leadership team."

But as the credits show: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=27712
a) The animation is entirely Japanese, not jointly worked on.
b) There is plenty of information showing that the creative leadership was shared by the US and Japan (arguably more from Japan) and that the project was spearheaded by Japan.
c) The executive producers Kohei Obara (Japanese) and Eunyoung Choi (employed by a Japanese company), associate producer Yoshiko Makabe, animation producer Kouhei Sakita, assistant animation producers Hiroaki Hashimoto and Seiki Iiyama. Just because there are more Westerners with the executive producer credit doesn't really mean anything if they had minimal involvement in the project to begin with.
The script being credited to Westerners may have something to do with it, but I don't think this should be the be-all and end-all, since the storyboarding, direction, and other roles with creative involvement are from Japan.

So yes, once again, I believe Scott Pilgrim Takes Off should be in the database. Possibly the Japanese owners will get involved at some point and force them to add it, because these I don't believe these decisions good for the future of the database as the industry evolves, or maybe we will see a natural reconsideration as more of these sort of productions are considered.
KwanthemasterJun 11, 12:20 PM
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MAL mods still so stubborn and incompetent to add this show, very silly group of individuals
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Let's at least listen to the opening to this work and read who is listed in the credits.
It seems very unfair to discount the work of the people listed here while saying that they did not contribute enough to the work.

Yes, you can see in the list of the English version (Japanese voice acting officially exists) the voice acting of English-speaking stars, -- for the reason that it is the same cast that was in 2010 movie (which is also a tribute from fans all over the world, of course, including the Japanese who also love this franchise).

Also, in this title there are also Japanese and Chinese (since MAL’s views seemed to become wider) characters in the main list (something that the huge mass of anime here cannot boast of).

By the way, to the previously named title, for example (talking about the style, audience composition and target group), this is also considered an anime "Mass Effect: Paragon Lost"
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OK, I'm not a Scott Pilgrim fan, but seeing MAL not adding that anime on their database when Anilist already did this for their database. I mean what the hell is going on, MAL??? Even ANN encyclopedia has classified Scott Pilgrim Takes Off as a anime, so what the hell MAL???

ukloim said:
Scott has been added to AniDB:


It's already been added on Anilist, ANN, and other anime database. But for MAL to not classified Scott Pilgrim Take off as anime is just baffling to me.

Jul 6, 5:25 PM

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Old_School_Akira said:
Timz0r said:
Knowing the rules by MAL most likely not. It was aimed for a Western audience in mind. Being outsourced by a Japanese studio doen't mean anything. Look at Transformers G1 etc.
Then why is super crooks on Mal? it's based off an American comic book.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/48453/Super_Crooks?q=super%20cr&cat=anime
Supercrooks was adapted and scripted by staff in Japan. The Anime Database Guidelines lay out what does and doesn't qualify. I think what's disqualifying it is here:
I.2.2 Joint productions must have at least one professional animation creator from I.1 in a key position with creative control over the production; e.g. director, script, storyboard, character design.

  • If only the animation is outsourced to Japan/Korea/China, the animation is not eligible.
  • If the professional animation creator shares the key position with multiple other members from the joint country or an outsourced animation company, it will be assumed the professional creator was not given creative control (e.g. Neo Yokio, Pacific Rim)

It's a pretty grey area in my opinion. The director, Abel Góngora, is one of Science SARU's earliest employees (even if he's not from Japan originally). His is the first name to appear in the trailer alongside a Japanese studio so it's fair to say he has some creative control over the project.

I'd personally like to see it added, but I also understand why people might consider it outsourced rather than a joint-production because based on what we currently know, the script, the source material, and the EPs are all not from Japan.

It might turn out, once we see the credits in Nov, that it’s definitely a joint production with tons of creative input from Japan. The database mods are probably just waiting for more information to be sure.
SiliconDon said:
The director, Abel Góngora, is one of Science SARU's earliest employees (even if he's not from Japan originally)


Hmm, FYI: Tekkonkinkreet (a anime film from 2006) was directed by Michael Arias (Wikipedia entry on this person), a non-Japanese white guy. And guess what, it's still get classified as an anime despite having a non-Japanese director.
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I would like to add to the conversation the talk section in Wikipedia of Scott Pilgrim Takes Off. They had the same argument as us and, spoiler;
Is hilarous.
Aug 18, 9:52 PM

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@Old_School_Akira

I'm not quite sure it's a 1:1 comparison.
a) Original source never mattered.
b) The director was never the issue, as both work for Japanese companies.
c) The two producers listed here are Taiki Sakurai (Japanese) and Justin Leach (employed by a Japanese company).
So there is really nothing to debate about Leviathan.

The reason for Scott Pilgirms's denial is:
"Joint animated work where only animation is completed by a Japanese company with a western creative leadership team."

But as the credits show: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=27712
a) The animation is entirely Japanese, not jointly worked on.
b) There is plenty of information showing that the creative leadership was shared by the US and Japan (arguably more from Japan) and that the project was spearheaded by Japan.
c) The executive producers Kohei Obara (Japanese) and Eunyoung Choi (employed by a Japanese company), associate producer Yoshiko Makabe, animation producer Kouhei Sakita, assistant animation producers Hiroaki Hashimoto and Seiki Iiyama. Just because there are more Westerners with the executive producer credit doesn't really mean anything if they had minimal involvement in the project to begin with.
The script being credited to Westerners may have something to do with it, but I don't think this should be the be-all and end-all, since the storyboarding, direction, and other roles with creative involvement are from Japan.

So yes, once again, I believe Scott Pilgrim Takes Off should be in the database. Possibly the Japanese owners will get involved at some point and force them to add it, because these I don't believe these decisions good for the future of the database as the industry evolves, or maybe we will see a natural reconsideration as more of these sort of productions are considered.
@Kwanthemaster Send that to Leknaat. It's time to start a change dot org petition to get leknaat removed from power tbh.



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At this point just add it and move on. This is just unreasonable hatred now
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