| I know for sure, that Chainsaw Man does get a lot of praise for having well-written characters who happen to be women. Even though, it shines in that area the way fandom perceives and treats these characters tells me that they are merely reduced to fetish. Neon Genesis Evangelion has always been lauded for having complex and realistic female characters. The way fandom had always reduced these characters to mere stereotypes or fetish. Like Asuka, Rei, and Misato being reduced to tsundere, kuudere and Ara ara waifu. I just similar thing happening in Chainsaw Man fandom. Will this ever end? |
| the question should be rephrased; "Will an*me fans ever be not horny" |
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| Lmao, nice try to put all the blame on the fandom but in reality the creators of CSM and NGE already sexualized the characters before the fandom did... |
No, this isn't my signature~desu. |
| my friend dragged me to a comics/manga store a while ago, and the cover of the latest(?) CSM manga volume was literally just a naked woman πππ The fan base definitely has a hand in it, but I think the creators did the sexualising first lmao. |
Reply to ratliker63
a character can be sexualized and still be well written. CSM and Evangelion are perfect examples of this. like Makima is supposed to be sexy, through and through. it's part of her character. she's supposed to be sexy to both the characters and the audience to lure them into a false sense of security so it hits all the harder when the reveal happens.
| @ratliker63 Yes, you're absolutely right. While it doesn't take away from the fact that many viewers only see female characters as the epitome of sexuality (Pixiv is full of artwork lol), the female characters are well written. Take Himeno, someone other than Makima, it's a well-defined character with her own story, motivation, it's not an empty big-breasted hottie designed by Fujimoto as a fanservice object. |
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| Stop beeing such a sensitive ninny^^ These characters are loved, not only for how they look like, but for their ACTUAL personality. A lot of Anime girls don't even come close feeling this fresh. Some dudes have fetishes. Whats the Problem? Leave them be and enjoy some cartoon girls feeling hella unique, regardless. You're watching Chainsaw Man. One of the most over the top, ridiculous Shows made in recent years and you're worried about females not beeing portrayed fairly? xD Watch some Slice of Life Romance. There are plenty characters fitting your criteria of a "good", complex woman. Not everything has to be for everyone. Chainsaw Mans absurdity and weirdness is it's strong point. I don't wanna see good, down to earth girls featuring in this Show, dude^^ It's not what this Anime is about. |
Merve2LoveJan 28, 7:42 AM
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| It's a shounen, meaning the target demographic was always males to begin with. |
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Sanjay63773 said: I know for sure, that Chainsaw Man does get a lot of praise for having well-written characters who happen to be women. Even though, it shines in that area the way fandom perceives and treats these characters tells me that they are merely reduced to fetish. Neon Genesis Evangelion has always been lauded for having complex and realistic female characters. The way fandom had always reduced these characters to mere stereotypes or fetish. Like Asuka, Rei, and Misato being reduced to tsundere, kuudere and Ara ara waifu. I just similar thing happening in Chainsaw Man fandom. Will this ever end? A whole thread started just to say how men are bad for reducing CSM's female characters to fetishes Funny how there is no mention about CSM's Makima, a woman, reducing Denji, a male, to a fetish Hypocricy much? |
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| Why did I immediately know who made this thread just from the title? Sanjay63773 said: Will this ever end? This is a series aimed at teenagers aka peak coomer age. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| Well, CSM's author treats women as debauchery toys and nut baits, so don't expect anything else from series for degenerates with some devils slashing in the background. |
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Reply to thunderkitten13
I don’t think the story does a good job of respecting their female characters in general considering they all revolve around the main character Denji, since he’s “ultra chad” and OP. In general, though, people will always fetishize female characters. If you go on pixiv you’ll find nsfw of every anime character you can think of. I don’t know if that will ever stop.
| @thunderkitten13 I mean, Denji's the main character and the story's about him, he's the center of attention most of the time, but i wouldn't call that everyone revolving around him Also male character aren't exactly exempted from having NSFW fetishized fanart... |
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DigiCat said:
@thunderkitten13 I mean, Denji's the main character and the story's about him, he's the center of attention most of the time, but i wouldn't call that everyone revolving around him
Also male character aren't exactly exempted from having NSFW fetishized fanart...
@thunderkitten13 I mean, Denji's the main character and the story's about him, he's the center of attention most of the time, but i wouldn't call that everyone revolving around him
Also male character aren't exactly exempted from having NSFW fetishized fanart...
My point is that he is the one driving the entire story. None of the other female characters have any influence over the outcome. In a competent story, every character would feel like they can affect the story in some meaningful way. Regardless, I never said it was only females that get sexualized.
| @thunderkitten13 Sorry but when yoiu only mention females it's hard to assume otherwise ¯\_(γ)_/¯ thunderkitten13 said: people will always fetishize female characters. If you go on pixiv you’ll find nsfw of every anime character you can think of. I don’t know if that will ever stop Agree to disagree about CSM's female characters, i'll also add the not so great anime adaptation only covers the first 3 volumes |
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DigiCat said:
A whole thread started just to say how men are bad for reducing CSM's female characters to fetishes
Funny how there is no mention about CSM's Makima, a woman, reducing Denji, a male, to a fetish
Hypocricy much?
Sanjay63773 said:
I know for sure, that Chainsaw Man does get a lot of praise for having well-written characters who happen to be women. Even though, it shines in that area the way fandom perceives and treats these characters tells me that they are merely reduced to fetish.
Neon Genesis Evangelion has always been lauded for having complex and realistic female characters. The way fandom had always reduced these characters to mere stereotypes or fetish. Like Asuka, Rei, and Misato being reduced to tsundere, kuudere and Ara ara waifu.
I just similar thing happening in Chainsaw Man fandom. Will this ever end?
I know for sure, that Chainsaw Man does get a lot of praise for having well-written characters who happen to be women. Even though, it shines in that area the way fandom perceives and treats these characters tells me that they are merely reduced to fetish.
Neon Genesis Evangelion has always been lauded for having complex and realistic female characters. The way fandom had always reduced these characters to mere stereotypes or fetish. Like Asuka, Rei, and Misato being reduced to tsundere, kuudere and Ara ara waifu.
I just similar thing happening in Chainsaw Man fandom. Will this ever end?
A whole thread started just to say how men are bad for reducing CSM's female characters to fetishes
Funny how there is no mention about CSM's Makima, a woman, reducing Denji, a male, to a fetish
Hypocricy much?
with all due respect, nobody said what makima is doing isnt wrong or just as bad, it's just that this conversation - as you said yourself - is about the women of csm and how they have been sexualized. again, i see what you mean, however there is no need to to steer away from the issue being discussed by bringing in the classic "but this happens to men too!1!!1" argument. its just annoying and disrespectful.
| @kurrohm Apreciate the respect, but i will also respectfully ask, in what way is it disrespectful? Personally i find it a lot more disrespectful to only acknowledge one side and ignore the other when in reality both are affected Granted here we're talking about fictional anime characters, but i've seen such topics over and over again talking about irl stuff and it's honestly quite sickening the amount of people who will only act horrified when such things happen to one gender but completely ignore it when it happens to the other or worse even claim the opposite never happens |
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| Women are considered beautiful sex for a reason. That's why character design and visual appeal usually takes presence over quality of their personality and writing. That's why male characters are usually have more depth than female ones. They can't compensate with eye candy. Sad, but true. Obviously, both merit and visual appeal would be the best, but that's what audience values and that's what authors are delivering. |
PiromyslJan 29, 6:57 AM
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Women are considered beautiful sex for a reason. That's why character design and visual appeal usually takes presence over quality of their personality and writing.
That's why male characters are usually have more depth than female ones. They can't compensate with eye candy.
Sad, but true. Obviously, both merit and visual appeal would be the best, but that's what audience values and that's what authors are delivering.
That's why male characters are usually have more depth than female ones. They can't compensate with eye candy.
Sad, but true. Obviously, both merit and visual appeal would be the best, but that's what audience values and that's what authors are delivering.
Piromysl said: Gonna assume saying "male" twice was a typo, moving on, here is the finest example of absolute bullshitThat's why male characters are usually have more depth than male ones. They can't compensate with eye candy |
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Piromysl said:
That's why male characters are usually have more depth than male ones. They can't compensate with eye candy
Gonna assume saying "male" twice was a typo, moving on, here is the finest example of absolute bullshitThat's why male characters are usually have more depth than male ones. They can't compensate with eye candy
| @DigiCat Everything I said is factually correct, so nope. Just because you're upset, it doesn't mean it's wrong. Tourist should go back to Twitter. |
PiromyslJan 29, 7:01 AM
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@Piromysl You realize the stereotype you just claimed as factually correct is the most tourist thing you could've possibly said, right?
| @DigiCat That's not a "stereotype", but how whole industry works. I don't expect you to agree, but if you really think that Japanese studio adapts so much generic, ecchi trash because audience really like depth, personality or quality of writing of those oversexualised girls, then you do you, but it's not something to throw tantrum over. |
PiromyslJan 29, 7:32 AM
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Reply to Piromysl
@DigiCat That's not a "stereotype", but how whole industry works. I don't expect you to agree, but if you really think that Japanese studio adapts so much generic, ecchi trash because audience really like depth, personality or quality of writing of those oversexualised girls, then you do you, but it's not something to throw tantrum over.
Piromysl said: but if you really think that Japanese studio adapts so much generic, ecchi trash because audience really like depth Yes... roughly 5% of all anime in existence is soooo much ecchi So, are you going to actually make some well thought out points or examples, or are you just gonna continue throwing around the same few stereotypes tourist screach about on twitter? |
DigiCatJan 29, 8:11 AM
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Piromysl said:
but if you really think that Japanese studio adapts so much generic, ecchi trash because audience really like depth
but if you really think that Japanese studio adapts so much generic, ecchi trash because audience really like depth
Yes... roughly 5% of all anime in existence is soooo much ecchi
So, are you going to actually make some well thought out points or examples, or are you just gonna continue throwing around the same few stereotypes tourist screach about on twitter?
| @DigiCat Dunno where you took that stat from, but wahteva I mean, you could just go see for yourself top favourited characters here on MAL. Top female is Kurisu, who is 14th total. She is actually well written female character, who deserves all the praise she gets. Next up is Mikasa on 17th, who is still considered by many as weakest aspect of the show. And so on... In top 50 you have only 15 female characters. That's measly 30% at least some of which are just shallow waifu baits from popular shows. It's almost as if there is a reason for that. |
PiromyslJan 29, 10:34 AM
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| That's just how fandoms are, people sexualize characters they like. Even male characters get this treatment in female dominated fandom circles. If you don't like people horny-posting just block them π€·βοΈ |
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