Attack on Titan
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Reply to Antarclist
Good to see that 75% of the people from MAL liked/loved the ending from this Episode discussion, I guess manga readers were a loud wrong minority.
| No and the criticisms remain. How about you try to say something to the dozen of critics? No? Just because many people like something doesn't make it good, especially if you just need to scratch the surface to see how bad it is in terms of plot holes, logic, themes, previous events that don't make any sense anymore and characters assassination. The canon manga ending was so "good" that the anime ending got more then a few changes. How delusional can someone be... |
ZyppelerNov 4, 2023 10:15 PM
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Reply to Zyppeler
No. There is way, way more then that. If you're interested then your welcome to read this:
Extensive breakdown of Attack on Titan's ending: Too many narrative flaws to be unintentional
Extensive breakdown of Attack on Titan's ending: Too many narrative flaws to be unintentional
| @Zyppeler i gotta be real with you man, im not reading a 50 page document from a guy with a fucking pepe profile image. I'm not saying its not gonna have valid stuff in there, but fuck man thats the least enticing thing ive ever seen. Thats like if someone who posted npc memes from /pol/ told me to check out his analysis of war and peace, i aint doing that. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| This was one of the best animated episodes of Attack on Titan. I loved Pieck's cute little run. But there are some things that confuse me about this final season. Does no one in the world have free will given what Eren said about him not being to change anything? And does everyone on Paradis end up dying? What happens to everyone from the Peace Corps? |
| So basically this is the end. THANK GOD, HOLY SHIT I was tired of all the parts which absolutely killed the hype for me. Anime could have been ended in 2022 but they gotta milk every inch of this franchise. |
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| What a breathtakingly amazing ending for a masterpiece of an anime. I liked the slight changes that anime did to simplify some of the long bits of dialogue towards the end of the manga. They didn't change the ending but these changes definitely helped watchers comprehend the content more easily. All of the staff for this 1hr 26min special cooked up such a phenomenal episode overall. The animation and music was top-notch. I'm sad that it ended but I'm glad that I was here to witness the ending. |
Reply to Tats_Spill_Tea
So basically this is the end.
THANK GOD, HOLY SHIT I was tired of all the parts which absolutely killed the hype for me. Anime could have been ended in 2022 but they gotta milk every inch of this franchise.
THANK GOD, HOLY SHIT I was tired of all the parts which absolutely killed the hype for me. Anime could have been ended in 2022 but they gotta milk every inch of this franchise.
| @Yeji_Flying_Hair they didnt milk it, mappa is just horrendously run and drains the talent they have, these final 2 episodes are pretty much the only things they have done the last couple years that have had an actual solid production shcedule where the staff arent writing horrendously scathing critiques of the working conditions. meanwhile jujutsu season 2 is releasing episodes before they are done cause the crunch has gotten so bad and behind schedule that multiple animators are saying they are done with the studio after this project and the final stretch of episodes will probably start to show alot more flaws. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I finished Attack on Titan!!! I was scared to watch the final episode because of how many people said the ending sucked but it turns out I was misled. It was an actually good and somewhat satisfying ending. Sure it's not perfect, it had some issues and a few things I didn't like but overall I'm very postive about the ending. |
FlyingDunsparceNov 4, 2023 10:36 PM
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| Either this was a massive improvement over the source material, or manga readers are totally unreliable. I feel like it would be unreasonable to expect this show to have ended any other way. Eren was doomed from the start. And that's okay. The titan threat is gone now, at least. That's one W he can take with him on his way down to hell. Really happy with how this turned out. I teared up like six times. W MAPPA, now please start taking care of the Seshimo line! |
Reply to Bandanaa
Either this was a massive improvement over the source material, or manga readers are totally unreliable. I feel like it would be unreasonable to expect this show to have ended any other way. Eren was doomed from the start. And that's okay. The titan threat is gone now, at least. That's one W he can take with him on his way down to hell.
Really happy with how this turned out. I teared up like six times. W MAPPA, now please start taking care of the Seshimo line!
Really happy with how this turned out. I teared up like six times. W MAPPA, now please start taking care of the Seshimo line!
| @Bandanaa The manga wasn't that different, they only changed up some dialogue, but I also don't understand all the dumb hate |
| 死だけが確実 |
Reply to JizzyHitler
@Zyppeler i gotta be real with you man, im not reading a 50 page document from a guy with a fucking pepe profile image. I'm not saying its not gonna have valid stuff in there, but fuck man thats the least enticing thing ive ever seen. Thats like if someone who posted npc memes from /pol/ told me to check out his analysis of war and peace, i aint doing that.
| I have no idea what my avatar or more specific a pepe avatar have something to do with anything related here but okay, kind of a lame excuse because I could write exactly the same about your avatar. What a stupid and unnecessary take to avoid the actual topic but whatever. The best part comes now: This breakdown isn't from me. It is from the user LunarGhost00 (Reddit). You can now read it... or not while gasping for more and other excuses. Have a nice day. |
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| It's a series that I've been admiring since 2016, the first year I watched it. It was a finale that left a question in mind. I think most things are still not fully explained.... To everyone who contributed to the production thank you for everything |
TheAbsoluteEliteNov 4, 2023 10:45 PM
idk man, peak world building and storytelling, but Isayama fumbled HARD with that ending.  |
| I've seen worse. Promised Neverland still exists, too. |
Reply to KingSlowDown
@Bandanaa The manga wasn't that different, they only changed up some dialogue, but I also don't understand all the dumb hate
| @KingSlowDown You don't understand the "dumb hate" because you didn't read any critics to begin with and just read casual hate like where you get it everywhere on every piece of media. It is like I would say I don't get the positive comments here that write empty posts like "it was so cool" or "it was amazing". Useless comments that say nothing are worthless. Read some serious critics where people explain what went wrong. Enjoy this breakdown. |
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| Eren's plan was to kill more people than communism lol. Thanos and Kira failed to carry out their genocides for the good of humanity and so did you, idiot haha. See you in hell Eren! 🥂🗿  Ps: is this post-credit scene a sign that the damn cycle will repeat itself? 🤔 |
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Reply to Zyppeler
@KingSlowDown
You don't understand the "dumb hate" because you didn't read any critics to begin with and just read casual hate like where you get it everywhere on every piece of media. It is like I would say I don't get the positive comments here that write empty posts like "it was so cool" or "it was amazing". Useless comments that say nothing are worthless.
Read some serious critics where people explain what went wrong. Enjoy this breakdown.
You don't understand the "dumb hate" because you didn't read any critics to begin with and just read casual hate like where you get it everywhere on every piece of media. It is like I would say I don't get the positive comments here that write empty posts like "it was so cool" or "it was amazing". Useless comments that say nothing are worthless.
Read some serious critics where people explain what went wrong. Enjoy this breakdown.
| @Zyppeler Your whole ass arguments that you're typing here since hours are also worthless, go touch some grass lil bro, it's just an anime. I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less, I liked it and I can't imagine a more fitting one. |
| 死だけが確実 |
Reply to Mattinator95
@Zyppeler isn’t that all still present in the anime ?
| @Mattinator95 Well the most important part for me was how they changed the ending where Paradise got carped bombed. From a few years (70~100) they changed it to some futuristic time where hundreds of years passed. Other thing is they changed Armins thank you for being a mass murder. |
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| Back in 2021, I jumped the gun and swapped from Final Season to the manga to see how it would end. I was sorely disappointed and AoT became a bitter memory akin to GoT. Even so, I knew I had to finish the anime so I could get proper closure since my journey began 10 years ago with that first episode. This definitely redeemed a great deal for me, as it was much more polished thematically. That scene where everyone was trying to save the baby from the cliff was just extraordinary and had me practically praying that the Rumbling would stop short. I was worried how they were going to handle the action heavy Battle of Heaven & Earth, but it was truly an early Thanksgiving feast for the eyes. Some of the CGI still felt iffy, but not enough to draw away from the caliber put into the battle. I DON'T WANT THAT! I MEAN, YES I DO! Ahh, that scene is so iconic and I nearly busted a gut. It started off very farcical, but that actually worked with the tense music & visuals building in the background. What starts as a comical tantrum very unfitting in the wake of that brutal carnage soon unfolds into the realization that none of this was a laughing matter. When Eren says "I don't want to die", I could feel the weight of (80%) of the world in his voice. It's almost important to note that at this time, Armin hasn't yet experienced the battle so it feels like a way to ease him into accepting what's to come. YES! They fixed the "Thank you for being a mass murderer" shit that I was ready to cringe at. "Thank you for showing me what was beyond the walls. For showing me this sight." It's Armin's way of accepting his own personal guilt for dreaming of an idyllic outside world that could only lead to disappointment. Many complained when Eren said he didn't know why he did the Rumbling, but I think it's important to read between the lines. It was his inborn violent nature combined with his juvenile view of freedom. He was never meant to be a soldier, a warrior, a patriot, a king or a harbinger. He was just a suicidal maniac and wasn't special in the slightest. The theme with Mikasa & Ymir worked much better this time around. In the manga, it felt like cheap use of Stockholm Syndrome. In the anime, Ymir's struggle over her choice vs the possibilities was better weighed out and had a more compelling connection to Mikasa. It's not about an exact parallel, but rather looking for someone who would freely make the choice she never did. I also have a better appreciation of the dynamic between Mikasa & Eren this time around after re-watching with the ending in mind. At the end of S2, I think Eren would have given up if he had answered Mikasa's feelings and kissed her. All this time, I think Mikasa was supposed to be Eren's reason to stop fighting and it would only be when she finally stopped him that he would be free. LOL Sneaky Hitch had me roaring. "Tatakae! Tatakae! Tata--zzzzzz." Now I might have been robbed of Reiner's infamous "What a man you are!" line, but dammit am I going to at least relish in the letter sniffing operation being a success. From sticking a rifle barrel in his mouth to smooching all over Historia's handwriting. Reiner, what a man you are! Dove Eren The final scene was very polished and excellently delivered the lingering thoughts of the story yet to be told. Particularly the connection between Armin reaching out for a feather and the bird wrapping the scarf around Mikasa. I'm really glad they adapted the extra pages, as they're critical for understanding two things - that the conflict never ends and that there will always be someone who survives & starts the cycle again. The shift in the ED theme was an excellent choice as well. I thought they might use T-KT to make the ending bleaker, but the sense of fanfare it brought worked better. Ah, what a weight off my mind. For over 2.5 years now, I've felt a lingering sense of contempt for the ending as it felt like a drastic downgrade from what had otherwise been shaping up into my all time favorite story. While there are still aspects of it that undermine that expectation, I can at least say that I'm parting ways with AoT on better terms. Perhaps like Levi - stitched back together but still able to dedicate my heart. A solid 9/10 for Part 3. Edit 1 (11/5): Another symbolic gesture I like is Gabi & Falco planting the tree together. It feels like it runs parallel with EMA's "Under the tree" theme, except they're both gleefully keeping watch over their own budding sapling. |
ZekkenshinNov 5, 2023 12:02 AM
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| Well this thread went about as well as I expected...its been a ride folks. |
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KingSlowDown said: @Zyppeler Your whole ass arguments that you're typing here since hours are also worthless, go touch some grass lil bro, it's just an anime. I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less, I liked it and I can't imagine a more fitting one. A mf with Aoi profile telling ANYONE to touch Grass lmao. |
TheRestlessOneNov 4, 2023 11:05 PM
Reply to KingSlowDown
@Zyppeler Your whole ass arguments that you're typing here since hours are also worthless, go touch some grass lil bro, it's just an anime.
I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less, I liked it and I can't imagine a more fitting one.
I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less, I liked it and I can't imagine a more fitting one.
| @KingSlowDown Yes my comments are worthless because I explain my opinion instead of posting insubstantial one-liners. Great and flawless logic. Well to be fair I did not expect anything else from you. @KingSlowDown 2023 Quote: "I also don't understand all the dumb hate" also: Quote: "I've read enough about the ending the past years and I couldn't care less" You're not just a clown, you're the entire circus at this point. Just out of curiosity now, what is your take on following: Eren was going along with the 50 year plan until Historia was brought up. That means Eren chose not to do the 50 year plan because Historia was in danger. Instead he chose: - Humanity killed - Mikasa killing him - Hange, Sasha, Floch, Zeke dying - Bunch of Paradis soldiers dying - Leave Mikasa even though he loves her - Mikasa getting bred by Jean - Killing his mom - Paradis getting nuked over Historia becoming a titan. Now with the ending of the show in mind is this good writing or is the ending in anyway a good conclusion to this part? Obviously no and that is just 1 of many other bad takes of this show with this kind of ending. But I guess it is still a good ending because... because... well it must be!!! |
ZyppelerNov 4, 2023 11:09 PM
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| I love how some people expected a different ending even though when the first season was released the author said that his idea for a perfect ending was everybody dying and humanity overall doomed lol. Really, ignoring the plot holes, what the hell did people expected? Literally from season 1 anyone could foresee what kind of ending it was going to have even if the author didn't talk about it at all. Anyway, I liked this episode a friggin lot more than the first one. It was the ending that I was expecting all the time, and the message at the end is just perfect. |
Reply to AnimeNerd99
There are so many parts I want to talk about but the part where everyone got turned into titans genuinely stunned me. It was something I didn't see coming at all and it didn't seem like it could've been reversed since enough main characters avoided it.
As an anime-only I'd like to know what exactly the drove the negative reaction to this ending in the manga because I don't really see it. There were some bits I didn't really like but the whole last 30 minutes I was expecting some big series ruining moment and it just didn't come.
As an anime-only I'd like to know what exactly the drove the negative reaction to this ending in the manga because I don't really see it. There were some bits I didn't really like but the whole last 30 minutes I was expecting some big series ruining moment and it just didn't come.
| @AnimeNerd99 Yea everyone turned into titan and it didn't matter at all. They were fighting a whole ass fucking army of ancient titans and it didn't matter at all. Everytime some member of alliance was close to death they magicly got saved. There's no stakes it's literally the long night in game of thrones all over again. |
TheRestlessOneNov 4, 2023 11:15 PM
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