Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| So, still a bit confused what Roswaals deal is. I feel like a part of this is to do with the five year wait I had to go through between seasons one and two, so some details may have become forgotten in the process. I'm not sure why he's making Subaru choose Emillia. Is this to do with the endgoal he's yet to reveal? Is there an answer that doesn't require a LN spoiler? |
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| Roswaal's confession was a long time coming. I like how this season ended on a grim note, as opposed to the first season. Although, I do believe the first season was stronger, and more engaging, even though, this season has crazier lore drops every episode. |
Anucolo said: Eoussama said: Roswaal's confession was a long time coming. I like how this season ended on a grim note, as opposed to the first season. Although, I do believe the first season was stronger, and more engaging, even though, this season has crazier lore drops every episode. This is not the end of season 2. Season 2 was divided into 2 parts due to covid. This is the ending of part 1. I know. Thanks for mentioning it tho. |
| The foundation for the story is interesting and could make this show a true gem but the writing really suffers in this show with the low amount of thought put into writing the characters which is sad. The main character never learns anything at all, just a boring repetition of the same thing |
| The closer you get to the light,the greater your shadow becomes. |
yamen said: You must have watched another series. Re:Zero is renowned for its great characters and their development.The foundation for the story is interesting and could make this show a true gem but the writing really suffers in this show with the low amount of thought put into writing the characters which is sad. The main character never learns anything at all, just a boring repetition of the same thing |
QcDiablo said: yamen said: You must have watched another series. Re:Zero is renowned for its great characters and their development.The foundation for the story is interesting and could make this show a true gem but the writing really suffers in this show with the low amount of thought put into writing the characters which is sad. The main character never learns anything at all, just a boring repetition of the same thing I don't really care if it renowned or not. I just see that the main character is poorly written and the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers. Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing when he just dies and change the direction of events and THEN he learns nothing at all from past experiences. That's what I have a problem with. Anyway it is just the usual opinion of people who didn't enjoy the show as much as others and like to complain a bit here :) |
| The closer you get to the light,the greater your shadow becomes. |
yamen said: I don't really care if it renowned or not. I just see that the main character is poorly written and the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers. Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing when he just dies and change the direction of events and THEN he learns nothing at all from past experiences. That's what I have a problem with. Anyway it is just the usual opinion of people who didn't enjoy the show as much as others and like to complain a bit here :) "The main character is poorly written" How so? "the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers." It's a character-driven story. The different loops help understanding the characters and their thought process even if the dead are brought back. Their reactions and feelings are all canon and contribute to the understanding of their personality. Also don't underestimate the mental toll on Subaru who has to live with all these bad endings on his mind. Besides, the final timeline is probably the one with the most character development for a great majority of the cast; you'll need to provide more precise examples if you want to use this argument. "Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing [...]" Again, it means something. It has a great impact on Subaru and helps us understand the characters through various scenarios that couldn't have happened in a regular series. Subaru does learn from past mistakes. We see that at a few moments in season 2, notably through his view on the use of Return by Death. Let's also mention the "I know Hell" loop, where Subaru decides to spend the rest of the loop gathering information when he sees it will end badly. There was no try to save everyone in that perticular one. |
QcDiablo said: yamen said: I don't really care if it renowned or not. I just see that the main character is poorly written and the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers. Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing when he just dies and change the direction of events and THEN he learns nothing at all from past experiences. That's what I have a problem with. Anyway it is just the usual opinion of people who didn't enjoy the show as much as others and like to complain a bit here :) "The main character is poorly written" How so? "the development of side characters get scraped away because of his powers." It's a character-driven story. The different loops help understanding the characters and their thought process even if the dead are brought back. Their reactions and feelings are all canon and contribute to the understanding of their personality. Also don't underestimate the mental toll on Subaru who has to live with all these bad endings on his mind. Besides, the final timeline is probably the one with the most character development for a great majority of the cast; you'll need to provide more precise examples if you want to use this argument. "Whatever development happens in a loop means nothing [...]" Again, it means something. It has a great impact on Subaru and helps us understand the characters through various scenarios that couldn't have happened in a regular series. Subaru does learn from past mistakes. We see that at a few moments in season 2, notably through his view on the use of Return by Death. Let's also mention the "I know Hell" loop, where Subaru decides to spend the rest of the loop gathering information when he sees it will end badly. There was no try to save everyone in that perticular one. The comment I made sums up to this episode in the storyline,not what happens later on and I still see it from a different perspective than you. Explaining in details what parts of his characters are poor takes a lot time and effort which I believe already been written in some of the reviews of this show. In summary he hardly learns how to utilize his power until late in the story and still makes the same old mistakes. As a result I feel no empathy towards him and probably won't until he reflects on himself in a more mature manner considering that the suffering he went through should help him develop that much. I'm not sure why you're bothering replying to me but this is my opinion as I have only watched the anime and not read the LN .I plan on reading it in the future though. You surely have more passion towards this show and have read the LN so you know a lot more details and can understand more of what's going on. |
| The closer you get to the light,the greater your shadow becomes. |
ShadowSun89 said: I also need to agree with the people saying there wasn't much character development this season at all. We see all that struggle just for a bit of selfcare and love, which seems it didn't improve much at all at the end, and other characters hadn't much focus at all to get any development to begin with. 7.5/10 for me What? Have we watched the same series? Everyone agrees this season had a ton of character development. Subaru, Emilia, Ram, Roswaal, Beatrice, Otto, Frederica, Garfiel, etc. All were developped throughout the season. Also I can assure you the character development of season 2 will be mandatory for the upcoming arcs. |
| Final impression on season 2 part 1: Echidna is great, Roswaal is great, but by god I still hate Subaru. His development also feels stuck in time, where he just won't grow any extra braincells. |
| Wow this season has been crazy. I don't completely understand everything that's going on to be honest. I'm definitely getting lost behind all the different meanings and things being said but regardless I am loving the season so far, hopefully it continues to be this good. 9/10 |
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| Subaru's Witch harem has increased once again. Roswaal pulled a gamer move and as for Otto.. he's still best boi lul |
| Lots and lots of talking again, but very cryptic. Apart from the fact that Roswaal is actually evil, but I think that was already kinda clear for a while now. Overall a disappointing sequel for me. I liked the first season a lot, the "Return by death" thing was well done and made me wanna watch the next episode to see where they are heading. This season was much more dialogue-heavy and a lot of it was quite shallow and boring. Maybe because we'll get the answers in the second part, but that doesn't really make the first part any better. Subaru is stuck in the sanctuary for multiple episodes now and it feels like barely anything happened since then because it was mostly info dump, but not even very interesting info. 6/10 |
| @mozgow Yeah, I read in reviews that the anime skipped a bunch of stuff. Which might be the reason why anime-onlies like me do not enjoy this season as much as LN-readers. Which is a real shame, since I feel like they actually had enough time to make a proper adaption. Thanks for the infos, that's quite interesting. I was wondering a bit about the witches' reaction, so that clears it up at least a bit. |
| Interesting how his thinking about Satella changed so fast |
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| good finale to part 1. i think this season definitely made it a priority to lay out a lot more details and depth to the plot and try to flesh out a lot more of the deeper aspects of the show, and i really enjoyed that and applaud them for it.... but. i think at times it became like just being dumped on with information for 26 minutes straight and allow it's great stuff, it can be a bit of a drag and really loses some of that intense, fast paced, and brutal aspect that made season 1 so amazing. don't get me wrong, this part was very, very good, and it had it's fair share of intensity and brutality as well, but it is definitely a step down from the first season. with that being said, since they took so much time to really establish some depth, i think the second part to this season will reach heights possibly even exceeding season 1 just because i think they'll be able to have both the deep plot and all the action and give us the best of both worlds. i think season 1 really excelled at everything, and season 2 part 1 excelled at most things, it just fell a tad bit behind. still very good though. |
mozgow said: @kxlel02 You might be interested in reading my post about skipped content (that won't be in part 2) here. that was insightful to read, thank you. that actually does clear some things up and make things flow together a bit better. you've really been helping me out with some of the aspects of the show in the forums since i've been posting in all the episode discussions. thank you again, it's helped a lot. |
| Man this season turned out to be better than the first season. The plot progress, character development, the twist and turns were seriously amazing. And what's more? This is only the first part of season 2. I can't wait to see what the second part has in store!!!!! Re:zero>>>>>> |
| Overall better than the first season, Subaru a much improved character and I am actually feeling for the guy. Beatrice is someone who I definitely want to see where her character goes. Rem is my fav though and they have her comatose. Emilia is still worthless and Garfiel is loud and annoying. The introduction of all the witches is an interesting idea but will have to see how it goes. Trying to add some rehabilitation to the Witch of Envy is very questionable to me though. Considering what has been set up and what her Apostles have been doing in her name makes this very difficult and I would have wanted Subaru to ask "what the hell?" before declaring an intention to save her along with everyone else. Will rate this a 7/10 like with S1, while step up too many flaws for me to love it too much. |
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gswelcome said: The anime skipped a very important plot point for unknown reasons.Trying to add some rehabilitation to the Witch of Envy is very questionable to me though. Considering what has been set up and what her Apostles have been doing in her name makes this very difficult and I would have wanted Subaru to ask "what the hell?" before declaring an intention to save her along with everyone else. |
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mozgow said: gswelcome said: The anime skipped a very important plot point for unknown reasons.Trying to add some rehabilitation to the Witch of Envy is very questionable to me though. Considering what has been set up and what her Apostles have been doing in her name makes this very difficult and I would have wanted Subaru to ask "what the hell?" before declaring an intention to save her along with everyone else. This would certainly have helped me more easily accept Subaru deciding to help her though still would want him to demand that she stop her followers if she really cared about him. Considering they cause him direct harm. Or maybe ask why she loves him. I suppose the latter is a plot point to be revealed later though. Story hardly even started yet judging by the amount of LN volumes left and still counting. |
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gswelcome said: Without any spoilers I can only say that in the second cour of this season something will be revealed that might (or might not) change your opinion about her.This would certainly have helped me more easily accept Subaru deciding to help her though still would want him to demand that she stop her followers if she really cared about him. Considering they cause him direct harm. gswelcome said: I can't recall if it was in the anime or not, but in the LN she stated her reason (spoiler tag just to be safe).Or maybe ask why she loves him. I suppose the latter is a plot point to be revealed later though. Story hardly even started yet judging by the amount of LN volumes left and still counting. |
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| I'll avoid clicking on the spoiler, as long as the 2nd cour doesn't fall on its face for me I'll continue watching the anime, don't read LNs though, maybe its the translation but the writing is usually so stiff that I can't get into the story, only one I've continued to read past a few volumes is Tanya The Evil. |
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| @gswelcome If I remember correctly the reason was stated during the garden tea party. Spoiler tag is for people who avoid any LN spoilers, even for skipped content. |
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| Wow!! Just….wow! This was SUCH a great series. I loved this more than series 1, and that was an insanely great one. Excited to watch part 2. Amazing! 10/10 |
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| I wonder if I liked Re:zero more if some good studio animated it. Characters look like sticks and colours are also pretty bland. Otto is the best girl btw. |
| I hate everyone equally |
| i liked this better than season 1, 7/10 |
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| Hopefully the All New Subaru Sport.com can finally realize that he's a neurotic little bitch and should talk to those he's trying to save. But probably he will just get killed again. In the next series. As a person I think he should undergo the trial to help set free the people of the village and...take on the Greed contract for good. Moo-ha-he-he-he. But we'll see what happens, with the All New Subaru WILDERNESS with 4x4 structural engineering and glass-leaded plates! Or some stuff. But he probably will just die again. ): |
| I understood like half or maybe even less of what those fucking witches were saying. Especially Envy, tf is this bitch going on about? If she's not saying "I love you" to Subaru she's talking in fucking riddles. Fucking say what you mean bitch, the rest of the other witches are way more comprehensible and that's saying something. This could be because of some bullshit plot twist in the future about Envy and Emilia or whatever but I bet it's gonna be underwhelming as fuck. Whatever that is it's not worth this much setup. Rosewaal is easier to understand. Cause he's honest about having a personal agenda and he's also honest about being crazy as fuck. As frustrating this show can be it still provided me with ok amount of entertainment I guess. 6 |
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| The first half of this episode was overwhelmingly strong, kinda sucks they end it on such a meh moment... that first scene meant a lot in the LN but this amazing score and visuals made me recall it all and further just FEEL IT! (Gosh, I really love how this series handles Satella, although they should have not skipped the details how there are actually 2 people inside, Satella and the Witch of Envy herself.) It is not gonna change my opinion thought, I had very strong feelings for Arc 4 ever since I got to read it, while there are some parts I have yet to see that I m eager to in part 2, TONS of amazing scenes where already handled and IMO superbly so here. Some of these moments to me rival or might even surpass the peak stuff on S1 for me, and I m glad to say that have reading the LN first did not had any negative impact on watching the anime, the lack of surprise from my part is rather filled with awe and respect for how well this series is being directed when it matter, sometimes even better than the LN, not that many, but always with respect and doing the upmost. To get the full message you will have to read the LN, but if you read it and then you watch some of these scenes, everything resonates with you so much more, I actuallty feel many people here did not have the chancee to properly appreciate it to the fullest, specially anime onlies, but if you ever want to, read the LN and then come back and appreciate how this was handled. LN bros know, this is definitly a 10/10, part 2 might not be as good, we will see how the adaptation makes me feel, but this was a fucking treat! 9.7/10 = 10 |
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| Definitely better than the first season. The witches in particular carried it, but Subaru himself was a much more understandable character in this half as well. Focusing on dialogue over bombastic fight scenes went down well too. Of course, the overabundance of completely unreasonable characters and erratic plot progression still irked me somewhat, but not to the same degree. |
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