The use of CGI in anime.

Gwyn223 said:
Some argue that CGI can add a new level of depth and detail to animation, while others feel that it can be jarring and take away from the traditional hand-drawn art style.

deg said:
the myth and fake news that 3D animation is cheaper

3DCG is actually more expensive than 2D animation right now so the overuse of 3DCG in anime is to speed up production since its more expensive to miss deadlines and delay the production more

plus there is 2D animator shortage crisis due to anime overproduction this days



yes we need more of this thread until majority of the fans fact checks that 3D is not cheaper than 2D animation right now

Lockleae said:


Says you without any source to back it up.

deg said:


here is your source have fun reading https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-07-12/3dcg-in-anime-an-introduction/.118724

deg said:
the myth and fake news that 3D animation is cheaper

3DCG is actually more expensive than 2D animation right now so the overuse of 3DCG in anime is to speed up production since its more expensive to miss deadlines and delay the production more

plus there is 2D animator shortage crisis due to anime overproduction this days

Lockleae said:

Lol this article does not support or prove any of your claims, it simply details how 3DCG works in anime. Try better next time.

deg said:


you cannot read this part?

3DCG looks worse, so the reason why anime uses it must be that it's cheaper than 2D animation. But as much as anime loves to be as cheap as (in)humanely possible, that's not the case here. As many industry members like Toei's Takuya Minezawa have commented, there's no correlation between 3DCG usage and cutting down costs, and if anything it's the opposite.

Lockleae said:
While 3DCG might cost as much as hand drawn animation in the shıort term it saves monesy in the long term. Here is some copy-paste explanatiıon about the subject:

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Gwyn223 said:
Some argue that CGI can add a new level of depth and detail

Lockleae said:
Do we really need a new CGI anime thread when the same things were already talked thousand times before.

Last but not least: Thank you Captain Obvious!

Apolygon2 said:
CGI is great if used well.

I go as far as saying good cgi environment specially when doing weird camera angles looks better than 2d.

now for characters and creatures....

I think it should be either fully 3d or fully 2d. and anime seemingly rarely pulls of fully 3d.

seeing a 3d character next to 2d ones is pretty jarring. it works better when monsters are like that. and it honestly works kinda well with mechs, but for characters you can't have both without it looking off. that's the biggest reason some cgi scenes in chainsaw man looked so off despite the fact that the 3d wasn't even bad. 

mangomaster said:
mostly agreed, but cgi only looks bad next to 2d animation when you are trying to disguise it as such, unless you absolutely NAIL it.

exhibit A: 86. it blends 2d and 3d, but makes no effort to hide it, instead focusing on incredible compositing to make sure the 2 mediums look as good as possible together, and it looked amazing.

if you ask me, i think cgi has potential to advance the artform further than ever if used properly.

deg said:


it does not matter much since 3D animators are paid way more than any 2D animator right now thats one major factor why 3DCG is more expensive

reusing 3D assets will still hire 3D animators for them to animate them

Lockleae said:


Do you even have any source  showing how much people are paid in the industry?  And it's less costly to pay one CG animator who can create one model and then reuse it by multiplying or copying it whereas it takes multiple 2D animators to draw those things separately.

mangomaster said:
mostly agreed, but cgi only looks bad next to 2d animation when you are trying to disguise it as such, unless you absolutely NAIL it.

exhibit A: 86. it blends 2d and 3d, but makes no effort to hide it, instead focusing on incredible compositing to make sure the 2 mediums look as good as possible together, and it looked amazing.

if you ask me, i think cgi has potential to advance the artform further than ever if used properly.

El001 said:
The Sky Crawlers has a lot of CG, and it's easily one of the most gorgeous anime I've seen.

Sachyan said:
Sometimes I even think CGI ruined anime, it's horrible. There were very specific occasions I found it was tolerable, like in Beastars and Houseki no Kuni, but tolerable at best, they would still be better without any CGI. You can tell is good CGI when you can't really spot it, if you see it it's bad. They should let that stuff to Disney and companies that actually have budget to produce good computer imagery.

Lockleae said:


There are great examples of CG anime as well like the Captain Harlock movie and Lupin III: The First, and sometimes use of CG in anime becomes inevitable due to circumstances.

El001 said:

I think it was a stylistic choice, because the movie was produced by Production IG, a studio which has (and always has had) one of the most prestigious lineup of animators in the industry.

Apolygon2 said:

of course, I even said it can work pretty well with mechs

deg said:
the myth and fake news that 3D animation is cheaper

3DCG is actually more expensive than 2D animation right now so the overuse of 3DCG in anime is to speed up production since its more expensive to miss deadlines and delay the production more

plus there is 2D animator shortage crisis due to anime overproduction this days