| My vote goes for Shion from Nostalgia on the Ninth Avenue. While Nezumi is more relatable. Shion is deeper and more complex. The worst ones are Usagi from JR and the entire casts from Free! and Yoi!!!! (Which are BL-ish animes). Who do you pick, fujos, fudan and fujins? |
 ねえ、それはあなたです！ あなたがカズマやトーマが好きなエッチ/ハーレムファンなら、女性を「平等に」扱うので、女性を殴る/軽蔑する2人のマッチョな男性か、Free！/YOIが好きだがフェアリーテイルの悪を話すTumblrファンガールです/ DxDとSAOは、ファンサービスがあり、アニメやマンガでBL / LGBTQ +ファンサービスが好きで、自分を「フェミニスト」と呼んでいるためです。自分は偽善者に過ぎず、価値観を再考し、これらの二重で停止する必要があることを知ってください。標準。 真剣に、それを止めてください😁。 #MenHaveTheRightToWorkInShortsInHotDays #MALMemberSince2010#Kirisuna Nico Nico no Hyouryuuken!https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsHeAUgW0lgREhidvVfUeeXb2M5WTADZ (Music about God). *Bill Clinton's voice* I did not have sexual relationships with that anime girl. *Hilary Clinton's voice* waifu's rights are human rights, and human rights are waifu's rights. *God Emperor Donald Trump's voice* Yaoi anime will soon be illegal. All fujos will be arrested. |
| If Ash Lynx qualifies as BL, then he takes the cake. In terms of yuri, Yae Sakura is the queen. |
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| Yang Dayhe I need to preach the glory of that manhwa.  |
GreyStoneFlinger said: Any BL that are juicy enough can share the podium. Care to specify any name. That's the meaning of this thread. |
| ねえ、それはあなたです！ あなたがカズマやトーマが好きなエッチ/ハーレムファンなら、女性を「平等に」扱うので、女性を殴る/軽蔑する2人のマッチョな男性か、Free！/YOIが好きだがフェアリーテイルの悪を話すTumblrファンガールです/ DxDとSAOは、ファンサービスがあり、アニメやマンガでBL / LGBTQ +ファンサービスが好きで、自分を「フェミニスト」と呼んでいるためです。自分は偽善者に過ぎず、価値観を再考し、これらの二重で停止する必要があることを知ってください。標準。 真剣に、それを止めてください😁。 #MenHaveTheRightToWorkInShortsInHotDays #MALMemberSince2010#Kirisuna Nico Nico no Hyouryuuken! https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsHeAUgW0lgREhidvVfUeeXb2M5WTADZ (Music about God). *Bill Clinton's voice* I did not have sexual relationships with that anime girl. *Hilary Clinton's voice* waifu's rights are human rights, and human rights are waifu's rights. *God Emperor Donald Trump's voice* Yaoi anime will soon be illegal. All fujos will be arrested. |
| I tend to like tragic characters, so I'm gonna second Ash Lynx, and add Yashiro from Twittering Birds Never Fly to the list. They're pretty much opposites, but I love seeing how both deal with the adversity thrown their way in such different ways. |
Character's names. Mikaela, Momo, Makoto or any other. |
| ねえ、それはあなたです！ あなたがカズマやトーマが好きなエッチ/ハーレムファンなら、女性を「平等に」扱うので、女性を殴る/軽蔑する2人のマッチョな男性か、Free！/YOIが好きだがフェアリーテイルの悪を話すTumblrファンガールです/ DxDとSAOは、ファンサービスがあり、アニメやマンガでBL / LGBTQ +ファンサービスが好きで、自分を「フェミニスト」と呼んでいるためです。自分は偽善者に過ぎず、価値観を再考し、これらの二重で停止する必要があることを知ってください。標準。 真剣に、それを止めてください😁。 #MenHaveTheRightToWorkInShortsInHotDays #MALMemberSince2010#Kirisuna Nico Nico no Hyouryuuken! https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsHeAUgW0lgREhidvVfUeeXb2M5WTADZ (Music about God). *Bill Clinton's voice* I did not have sexual relationships with that anime girl. *Hilary Clinton's voice* waifu's rights are human rights, and human rights are waifu's rights. *God Emperor Donald Trump's voice* Yaoi anime will soon be illegal. All fujos will be arrested. |
Jokes aside, maybe Gilbert Cocteau. |
| Not big enough on BL to judge. But as for GL, I think Haruka from Sailor Moon is definitely one of the best. Literally dozens if not hundreds of characters have been inspired by her, not to mention the ikemen onna archetype and parodies of it. Yes, you may remember the iconic Oscar from the Rose of Versailles, but she inspired not so much GL as the archetype itself as a whole. SleepySera said: I tend to like tragic characters, so I'm gonna second Ash Lynx, and add Yashiro from Twittering Birds Never Fly to the list. They're pretty much opposites, but I love seeing how both deal with the adversity thrown their way in such different ways. I don't think franchises or shows that are either not promoted as BL or are BL bait for lovers of "enjoying interpretation" of relationships can be considered better than actual BL shows like Gravitation, Given or even CCS. |
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| the lesbian from komi-san is the best |
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RobertBobert said: Agree. My spoiler was a joke because OP mentioned Free!. Kaze to Ki no Uta is BL and Gilbert is amazing character imo.I don't think franchises or shows that are either not promoted as BL or are BL bait for lovers of "enjoying interpretation" of relationships can be considered better than actual BL shows like Gravitation, Given or even CCS. |
| Don't really have an answer for BL, because I haven't watched/read enough. GL though definitely either Momoka Sagara or Love Espada, as both were woman eaters. |
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Hopeainen said: No problem, it's just that I often get salty because of people who call yuri bait shows "the best yuri on earth".RobertBobert said: Agree. My spoiler was a joke because OP mentioned Free!. Kaze to Ki no Uta is BL and Gilbert is amazing character imo.I don't think franchises or shows that are either not promoted as BL or are BL bait for lovers of "enjoying interpretation" of relationships can be considered better than actual BL shows like Gravitation, Given or even CCS. |
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RobertBobert said: But as for GL, I think Haruka from Sailor Moon is definitely one of the best. SleepySera said: I tend to like tragic characters, so I'm gonna second Ash Lynx, and add Yashiro from Twittering Birds Never Fly to the list. I don't think franchises or shows that are either not promoted as BL or are BL bait for lovers of "enjoying interpretation" of relationships can be considered better than actual BL shows like Gravitation, Given or even CCS. I mean, it was a question about characters, not shows, so I figured anyone with a same-sex love is fine; Sailor Moon isn't marketed as GL either after all and yet you brought it up because of the relationship featured in it ;) That said, at least Twittering Birds Never Fly is very clearly marked and marketed as BL. I just don't think good character writing of gay and lesbian characters is necessarily confined to "official" BL/GL anime and manga. And at the same time, not every character within a BL/GL work is gay, so wouldn't it be weird to say something like "oh, my favourite GL character is straight girl A"? As for which works are better...this is a bit off-topic I guess, but: |
SleepySera said: You're comparing characters who canonically have same-sex lovers and whose gay identity is an important part of their personality and plot, and characters whose relationships are either much more complex and confusing during the course of the story, or whose relationships are literally made to be fetishized by an audience of the opposite sex. I think these are somewhat different poles. Regarding your question, as far as I understand, his topic was the best characters within the framework of queer content, and not just conditional favorite gay characters in general. If a person likes Given and some character in it for reasons that are completely unrelated to BL or their sexuality, then what does the "best BL characters" have to do with it?RobertBobert said: But as for GL, I think Haruka from Sailor Moon is definitely one of the best. I don't think franchises or shows that are either not promoted as BL or are BL bait for lovers of "enjoying interpretation" of relationships can be considered better than actual BL shows like Gravitation, Given or even CCS. I mean, it was a question about characters, not shows, so I figured anyone with a same-sex love is fine; Sailor Moon isn't marketed as GL either after all and yet you brought it up because of the relationship featured in it ;) That said, at least Twittering Birds Never Fly is very clearly marked and marketed as BL. I just don't think good character writing of gay and lesbian characters is necessarily confined to "official" BL/GL anime and manga. And at the same time, not every character within a BL/GL work is gay, so wouldn't it be weird to say something like "oh, my favourite GL character is straight girl A"? As for which works are better...this is a bit off-topic I guess, but: I love ReZero for a variety of reasons. Does this mean I can call Subaru the "best straight character"? |
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RobertBobert said: If a person likes Given and some character in it for reasons that are completely unrelated to BL or their sexuality, then what does the "best BL characters" have to do with it? I love ReZero for a variety of reasons. Does this mean I can call Subaru the "best straight character"? If you think he is, then yes, you can? 🤔 I mean, I wouldn't personally agree with it, but that's purely a matter of personal opinion so there's no arguing with that. A person is more than their sexuality, we just choose to sort them by that specific trait in this particular thread, in the same way other threads a while ago asked for our favourite dark-skinned waifu or our favourite green-haired character and favourite isekai protagonist. No one argued in those threads that only characters for who the skin-color/hair-color/etc. is the core part of their story are allowed, but OP is free to tell me off if I misunderstood their question. RobertBobert said: You're comparing characters who canonically have same-sex lovers and whose gay identity is an important part of their personality and plot, and characters whose relationships are either much more complex and confusing during the course of the story, or whose relationships are literally made to be fetishized by an audience of the opposite sex. So why is Ash from Banana Fish not okay in your book? His love for Eiji is not just a significant part of what drives the plot, it's literally the key to his (emotional) salvation in the end. It doesn't count because 1970s-80s gangsters didn't stand in front of a big fat rainbow, verbally shouting about how queer they are or what? That's ridiculous. And I really don't like the implication that a complex, confusing relationship is somehow less "valid", because in reality, that's just how a lot of queer relationships are, be it due to people still having to come to terms with their internal conflicts or societal pressure/laws depending on country 🤷♀️ |
| I guess I'll go with Maraich from Patalliro! for bl and Anthy from Shoujo Kakumei Utena for gl. Or maybe I'll say Char Aznable for the bl one instead, Edit* actually maybe I'll go with Ryo Asuka. |
| GL - Sei and Amy, Meg and jo from burst angels |
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| This is a rather subjective question, eh? I don’t read as much GL as I do BL so I can’t really comment on that but for BL some of the *best* BL characters I’ve read about (from Japanese manga) are Sasaki Shuumei and Miyano Yoshikazu from Sasaki to Miyano, Ikushima Shizuma and Mito Minato from Therapy Game and Ueda Tomoharu and Gotouda Aki from Honto Yajuu. Of course, the list goes on factoring in Korean manhwa (Like Wolfgang and Shin from King’s Maker for instance), and Chinese Danmei (like Hua Cheng and Xie Lian from Heaven Official’s Blessing). I suppose, in my own definition of “best character” you can’t really separate the two leads because together they make the story and together they’re the reason I go back and read their stories again. The complexities of their relationships and their own individualities as characters are what make them some of the best BL characters I’ve read about, but the list really could go on, for me at least. BL has been amazing in the past 10 years and even some of the guilty pleasure BL I’ve read has some really good and interesting characters. |
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SleepySera said: It just doesn't make sense. Even aside from the fact that subjectivity doesn't justify a bad choice, calling a character the best straight character just because he's your favorite and he's straight is just stupid. Banana Fish was never promoted as a queer work. Moreover, the author denied it for years until they needed to promote the popular anime adaptation. But even when viewed from this angle, the original manga was not supposed to be a romance, but a variant of the action crime films of the 80s or 90s.RobertBobert said: If a person likes Given and some character in it for reasons that are completely unrelated to BL or their sexuality, then what does the "best BL characters" have to do with it? I love ReZero for a variety of reasons. Does this mean I can call Subaru the "best straight character"? If you think he is, then yes, you can? 🤔 I mean, I wouldn't personally agree with it, but that's purely a matter of personal opinion so there's no arguing with that. A person is more than their sexuality, we just choose to sort them by that specific trait in this particular thread, in the same way other threads a while ago asked for our favourite dark-skinned waifu or our favourite green-haired character and favourite isekai protagonist. No one argued in those threads that only characters for who the skin-color/hair-color/etc. is the core part of their story are allowed, but OP is free to tell me off if I misunderstood their question. RobertBobert said: You're comparing characters who canonically have same-sex lovers and whose gay identity is an important part of their personality and plot, and characters whose relationships are either much more complex and confusing during the course of the story, or whose relationships are literally made to be fetishized by an audience of the opposite sex. So why is Ash from Banana Fish not okay in your book? His love for Eiji is not just a significant part of what drives the plot, it's literally the key to his (emotional) salvation in the end. It doesn't count because 1970s-80s gangsters didn't stand in front of a big fat rainbow, verbally shouting about how queer they are or what? That's ridiculous. And I really don't like the implication that a complex, confusing relationship is somehow less "valid", because in reality, that's just how a lot of queer relationships are, be it due to people still having to come to terms with their internal conflicts or societal pressure/laws depending on country 🤷♀️ And do not try to convince me by manipulating emotions by starting to discuss philosophical issues that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread. It doesn't work with me. |
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RobertBobert said: Yes. Kitty toe, Link and Suffaru are the best straight characters. They got it on with ZeldæmiliAsuna. They're chads.I love ReZero for a variety of reasons. Does this mean I can call Subaru the "best straight character"? |
| ねえ、それはあなたです！ あなたがカズマやトーマが好きなエッチ/ハーレムファンなら、女性を「平等に」扱うので、女性を殴る/軽蔑する2人のマッチョな男性か、Free！/YOIが好きだがフェアリーテイルの悪を話すTumblrファンガールです/ DxDとSAOは、ファンサービスがあり、アニメやマンガでBL / LGBTQ +ファンサービスが好きで、自分を「フェミニスト」と呼んでいるためです。自分は偽善者に過ぎず、価値観を再考し、これらの二重で停止する必要があることを知ってください。標準。 真剣に、それを止めてください😁。 #MenHaveTheRightToWorkInShortsInHotDays #MALMemberSince2010#Kirisuna Nico Nico no Hyouryuuken! https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMsHeAUgW0lgREhidvVfUeeXb2M5WTADZ (Music about God). *Bill Clinton's voice* I did not have sexual relationships with that anime girl. *Hilary Clinton's voice* waifu's rights are human rights, and human rights are waifu's rights. *God Emperor Donald Trump's voice* Yaoi anime will soon be illegal. All fujos will be arrested. |
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